Pope Francis says ‘there is no place’ for gay priests in clergy
Sofia Lotto Persio PINK NEWS
Pope Francis leads a special audience with members of a volunteers association from Sardinia island in Paul VI hall at the Vatican November 30, 2018. REUTERS/Max Rossi Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that “there is no place” in the clergy for gay people and that the issue of homosexuality “worries” him.
Several Italian news outlets have published excerpts from a four-hour interview between Pope Francis and Spanish Missionary Fernando Prado, soon to be published as a book titled The strength of vocation. Consecrated life today.
The book addresses various issues regarding serving in the Catholic Church, including who is best placed to enter the clergy.
Catholic newspaper Avvenire published on November 29 the full excerpt in which Prado asks the Pontiff specifically addresses the inclusion of “people with homosexual tendencies.”
Francis begins his answer admitting that the issue is “something that worries me, because perhaps at some point it has not been dealt with well.”
“In our societies it even seems that homosexuality is fashionable.”
— Pope Francis
He then proceeds to describe homosexuality as “a very serious matter, which must be discerned adequately from the beginning” with those who seek to become part of the clergy.
“We must be demanding. In our societies it even seems that homosexuality is fashionable and this mentality, in some way, also affects the life of the Church,” Pope Francis said.
Pope Francis Upholds traditional teachings on homosexuality
The official teaching of the Catholic Church reject homosexuality as an “objective disorder” and “intrinsically disordered.”
Despite his reputation as a progressive force within the Church, having previously voiced support for embracing LGBT+ Catholics, Pope Francis upheld these teachings in the interview with Prado.
The pontiff, who recently suggested that LGBT+ children should be taken to see a psychiatrist, said that the existence of gay priests is an issue that he has discussed with other members of the clergy.
He recalled a religious leader telling him that, in his congregation, there were “good young students and even some already professed clergymen” who were gay.
“He himself had doubts about the thing and asked me if there was anything wrong with this,” Francis recalled, adding that the religious leader told him that perhaps it wasn’t a serious issue and that ultimately it was only “an expression of affection.”
But the pontiff disagreed with such position, telling Prado the religious leader was mistaken.
“It is not just an expression of affection. In the consecrated life and in the priestly life there is no place for this kind of affection,” Pope Francis said, adding: “For this reason, the Church recommends that people with this rooted tendency are not accepted in the ministry or in the consecrated life. The ministry or the consecrated life are not their place.”
Pope Francis has previously expressed opposition to gay men entering the clergy in closed-door remarks to the Italian Bishops’ Conference quoted in CNN. “If in doubt, better not let them enter,” the pontiff reportedly said at the time.
I do not agree with Pope Francis and the RC Church on their teachings about homosexuality. To them it is an objective disorder. I think that homosexuality is a perfectly normal sexual orientation.
Their teaching on this is also hypocritical as most bishops and priests are gay and many of them are sexually active.
But I do think that, as long as you want to stay in the Church as a cleric who has promised to be celibate you must keep that promise – either that or leave the Church. Leading a double life is neither good or healthy.
When they fired me out and deprived me of the “privileges” I no longer felt bound to the “obligations”.
The problem is NOT gay priests or seminarians. The problem is that many gay bishops, priests and seminarians are not only sexually active but are as promiscuous as tom cats!
The authentic moral position for such bishops, seminarians and priests is to either observe celibacy or get out!
Doing the double is dishonest and hypocritical.
IS FR RYAN MC ALEER LEAVING THE PRIESTHOOD?
A well connected Catholic parishioner from Dungannon telephoned a Sunday newspaper in the last few days to tell them that Fr Ryan McAleer, Eamon Martin’s religious advisor for primary schools, was leaving the priesthood.
One of my clerical contacts in Armagh has said that this rumour is unfounded.
The newspaper called me back and I was able to tell them that the rumour had been denied.
The caller quoted said she had heard this from a member of Dungannon Parish Council.
For a long time now, in my opinion, Ryan has given many people the impression, in many ways, that he is a round peg in a square hole.
AN ADVENT REFLECTION
Some Blog readers have been complaining that I had not published an Advent reflection – and asked me to be more “spiritual”.
Here is a very inspirational one:
We know the scene: the room, variously furnished,
almost always a lectern, a book; always
the tall lily.
Arrived on solemn grandeur of great wings,
the angelic ambassador, standing or hovering,
whom she acknowledges, a guest.
But we are told of meek obedience. No one mentions
The engendering Spirit
did not enter her without consent.
She was free
to accept or to refuse, choice
integral to humanness.
Aren’t there annunciations
of one sort or another
in most lives?
undertake great destinies,
enact them in sullen pride,
when roads of light and storm
open from darkness in a man or woman,
are turned away from
in dread, in a wave of weakness, in despair
and with relief.
Ordinary lives continue.
God does not smite them.
But the gates close, the pathway vanishes.
She had been a child who played, ate, slept
like any other child–but unlike others,
wept only for pity, laughed
in joy not triumph.
Compassion and intelligence
fused in her, indivisible.
Called to a destiny more momentous
than any in all of Time,
she did not quail,
a simple, ‘How can this be?’
and gravely, courteously,
took to heart the angel’s reply,
the astounding ministry she was offered:
to bear in her womb
Infinite weight and lightness; to carry
in hidden, finite inwardness,
nine months of Eternity; to contain
in slender vase of being,
the sum of power–
in narrow flesh,
the sum of light.
Then bring to birth,
push out into air, a Man-child
needing, like any other,
milk and love–
but who was God.
This was the moment no one speaks of,
when she could still refuse.
A breath unbreathed,
She did not cry, ‘I cannot. I am not worthy,’
Nor, ‘I have not the strength.’
She did not submit with gritted teeth,
Bravest of all humans,
consent illumined her.
The room filled with its light,
the lily glowed in it,
and the iridescent wings.
opened her utterly.
104 replies on “FRANCIS – NO PLACE FOR GAYS IN THE PRIESTHOOD.”
Poor silly old, pot-bellied old, Latino pope.
He’s a man for all seasons…and a genuine friend of none.
Poor, fat, silly Latino.
12.57: Magna, the kind of response you’d expect from a school yard bully. You’re stuck in your prepubescent stage of growth. Sad. Pitiable. Meaningless. Insulting. You are pathetic.
He said actively gay clergy should leave rather than live double lives.
Mad Magna Caca at 12:57am
Polly you really are very RACIST when you talk about Latinos are you not. You should be careful someone may report you for it.
If gay people are not good enough for priesthood they are not good enough for baptism or the human race hi.What a load a poooo. Nice reflection but. Spirituality can’t stand alone it must be reflected in all areas of life. Luke’s reading yesterday was a strange wan Some didn’t get how it linked to Advent so they didn’t but
It was about the last coming of Christ.
As I read it, I too wondered, why it is used in Advent, which is a tome of joy.
The end passage was a it more connected.
‘schoolyard bully’? An apt irony, unintended on your part, but highly descriptive of His Oiliness, the Latino.
Francis, and his predecessors, have been bullying (name-calling, etc) LGBT people for a very long time.
Francis is two-faced, but then what can anyone reasonably expect from a Latino. No wonder Donald Trump wants to keep them out of The States! 😅 You daren’t turn your back on any of them.
Gay people (God bless ’em!) are learning a very hard lesson here: on why no pope, nor Roman Catholic priest, should ever be trusted. From an auspicious beginning (Who am I to judge? Francis’ welcoming and supportive remark on gay priests very early in his pontificate) to this, latest and alleged, ugly and discriminatory remark by the pope.
Make no mistake: Francis’ volte face on gay priests is not just a cruel betrayal of many good men, but a cowardly attempt to appease the theologically conservative in the Church (the Pharisees): men like Archbishop Vigano. Francis, again in cowardly mode, didn’t even attempt to answer Vigano’s very serious charge, that the pope himself facilitated abuse (or potential abuse) by that icon of clerical holiness, ex-cardinal Theodore McCarrick.
Mothers of Ireland: be aware that Pope Francis regards your gay sons as ontologically inferior (‘objectively disordered’), and for this vile, catechetical calumny will not allow their ordination as priests, even if God has called them to the priesthood, from before the beginning of time itself.
And don’t hold your breath waiting for your ‘heroic’ pastors to protest this latest injustice, by an incredibly cowardly Latino, openly and boldly. Your pastors are all moral cowards. They will speak forcefully about how much money you donate to fund their indolence, but when real injustice hits the fan, they will remain silent if it could adversely affect their priviliges.
9:59, the language is apocalyptic, an especially biblical genre, with Old Testament roots, that should not be read literally (unless you’re unfortunate enough to be a fundamentalist evangelical). 😆
Advent is a penential season. Hint: purple vestments.
I thought it was very dismal too.
10.03: Did you not read the entire text: hooe was given, the hope of God overseeing all things and offering salvation to all. The promises expressed in the 1st and 2nd readings were hope-filled. We await the ultimate fulfilment of God’s promises that one day we shall enjoy the radiance of his vision with Jesus. Must live my life to deserve such a gift! Saying that, our world is in great need of peace, healing, justice and mercy. The pain and brokenness of humanity and of the earth is a calli g to all of us to “be awake” and to respond…..
Mad Magna Caca at 1:41pm
Polly a ” fundamentalist evangelical” don’t you mean a”Proddy Paisleyite” like you, freethinkers all who like to interpret scripture to suit their own heretical opinions, perhaps that’s why like Paisley you have a great love of the word whore when referring to The Holy Church but more likely it’s because that’s what you are.
If you lived according to basic Christian morals Pat, you would still be in the priesthood.
I am still in the priesthood 🙂
I am, as Magna might say, not in the whore house 🙂
Patsy at 9:38am
Patsy, you’d be wise not to class yourself with the great whore Magna or quote her, people might think you’re the same class of person.
I do not know who Magna is and have never met him.
However, if I ever do, the chat will not be boring 🙂
Some asked who ordained me a priest.
Bishop Michael Russell, Bishop of Waterford. 6th June 1976.
Ah back to the censoring again Pat. New blog, same North Korean rules
I’m not going to allow you to attack me in that manner. Simple!
Tell me how I attacked you?
A life of immorality is a life of immorality. You cannot argue with simple truths, therefore you play the victim card. It is sad you cannot engage in dialogue without saying you are being attacked.
Pat Buckley, you won’t ever meet Magna because he/she/it is a creation of one (possible a few more) serving and/or ex clerics. The creator(s) of Magna Carta are every bit as dysfunctional as their fiction. Arguing, engaging with Magna is the biggest waste of time on this eart. You might as well pick a fight with Dickens’ character, Uriah Heep.
That has been suggested before. I do not know if it’s true?
And he, like me, was ever so ‘humble’. 😆
Patsy at 10:04
Thats only because you have the same agenda, however I would like to think that his disgraceful language would be too much even for you!
I do not approve of disgraceful language and I’ve asked MC on several occasions not to use it.
He makes extremely good points all the time and when he is not using bad language he is at his very best.
But I am not like the RC junta.
I don’t want to censor people.
So boring ! Why does the Catholic Church have to bang on endlessly about homosexuality. It’s an unhealthy obsession they have with it. Just get over it, please ! And, then move on to the bigger more existential problems that you have – like clericalism, hierarchy, abuse of power, privilege and authority, and poor leadership. These are the things that people see and which turn them away from the institutional Church. And then deal with problems of poverty, injustice, war, famine etc. etc. Play to your strengths. You are good on the social justice issues.
The obsessive focus on homosexuality is simply transference. The RC Church wants to find a scapegoat for all its ills, and focusing on the wicked gays in their midst is a blatant attempt to do that. And, people will see through that. It’s a thoroughly contemptible tactic.
As is the plaintive martyrdom theme introduced by + Martin of Armagh last week. Don’t whinge, Archbishop Martin. You brought all this on yourself by the dysfunction of your clergy and bishops and the arrogance of your behaviour over the decades, which people now know about and will not tolerate any longer.
Ireland is a much better, fairer, just country now that the shackles of the RC Church have been cast off, with a modern, liberal, democratic future ahead of it. Irish people will listen to the RC Church only if it has something to say of relevance. We will not listen any longer to such things as your homophobic rants, thank you.
11.14: I agree with you that the Church is too preoccupied with sexuality and with defining “disordered” activities. People have found their own morality. We are free of many unnecessary burdens of morality. I agree that the Church should refind its voice for the homeless, the marginalised, the migrants, all who are socially excluded. It’s actions in social justice are well evident and it’s a powerful witness. However, are we a fairer, more just society now? Don’t think so. Just look at homelessness figures – morally reprehensible: look at migrant detentiin centres – morally reprehensible: look at little children walking our streets because their parents can’t afford rent – morally reprehensible: the abortion act allowing for the destruction of unborn life – morally reprehensible: the divide between those who have and those who haven’t – morally reprehensible. Just, fair, compassionate and equitable? Most certainly not!
Well that is precisely where the Church should be raising its voice rather than who does what with whom and where they put their willy.
Patsy at 9:47am
Patsy of course you think she makes good points because you are both anti-catholic. But a lot of people do not agree with you it is not censorship not to print her disgusting language, but good taste.
So is every scandal, abuse, coverup now the fault of gays in the priesthood? No they are NOT. This is just the mother of all smokescreens. Francis would be better rooting (no pun intended) out the abusers, the enablers, the spendthrifts (Treanor et al) and the rest of the morally corrupt regime that the RC church has in place. Gay love is no different from any other expression of love. May not float my boat but who are we as human beings to condemn two humans loving each other. Is this how sick the RC church has become? Condemn gay clergy yet continue to support the abusers and enablers. Sometimes I think I’m listening to a comedy show when I hear these papal announcements. Deluded isn’t strong enough a word for it. By the way does the papal nuncio know about Treanor lavish lifestyle. His expensive wallpaper, fancy shutters that most of us can only dream of getting. His manicured lawns. His marble stairs. This man is a joke but not a funny one. Won’t be long before Kim il sung Treanor tries to get this blog blocked as well with some weird excuse. If you are reading this Treanor or O’Hagan or one of your cabal (and you know you are), this blog is entirely legitimate. It shines s light on your darkness and unchristian acts. Do the right and Christian thing and resign. You are no shepherds of Christ’s flock. You are a disgrace to everything Christ teaches. Your mealymouthed words are pathetic and we now see through them. Pat may not be entirely right in all his comments but I personally admire him for taking a stand against the RC junta and all your efforts to censor him and us are both s waste of time and s waste of your flocks’ money but then again you are well used to wasting other people’s money
Right on, Bro….!
11.14. ‘Ireland is better, fairer, just’ really?! I understand that last week only 25 of our TD s voted to make painkillers available to a baby born alive during an abortion. The rest made sure that wouldn’t happen. There’s surely a word to describe a nation that does that.
If what you say is true, it is horrendous.
Can you provide evidence for your claim?
Absolutely horrible if true
I see some of the clergy are on the blog again today attacking Pat, some have Mondays off so I suppose they can’t find much else to do. Some clergy dine together on a Monday, some take their boyfriends out and in the rare case, their girlfriend. Some go home to Mummy along with their weeks washing, some have a spa day, some go cruising or to the sauna in Dublin because Belfast is now too dangerous a sauna to be seen in. Some wait by their gay apps at home, namely Grindr, GROWLr, Fabguys, bbrts etc. Some pretend they are taking their day off and stay in their house with door locked and phone on answer. Some will go walking the roads of the parish for exercise, some will drink in the pubs near their parish or go shopping in the cities.
1.54: How unfair, unjust and totally disingenuous, unless of course you are describing your own bizarre life, be it as a priest or a nosey, silly, queenie old maid (lace curtain type)!! The latter would aptly fit your stupid gossip.
Did I hit a Raw nerve Reverend,??
And some will minister to truck drivers on the layby at Banbridge.
Also the Giants Ring, Coleraine & Portrush public toilets and A1 Layby at Hillsborough. All favourite haunts of Clergy.
Please don’t disparage these good and holy priests, 2:57: they are heroic missionaries, going down to places few men have been to.
3.38: No, you haven’t hit any raw nerve! I simply don’t like lies. Lies appear all too frequently on this blog – usually from phillistines and abusers, like you who don’t read anything beyond the trashy Daily Mirror.
The locals in Rostrevor say the Monks there are loaded. Always out dining in the pubs and restraunts, the best of everything.
5.16: Give me dates, places and frequency of times the Rostrevor monks prowl about town! What an ignorant, untrue comment. They support themselves by their labours in candle making and card production.. Now where did I read lies like this before? I have been on retreat several times in Rostrevor and your caricaturing and defamation of them is outrageous. Perhaps a few days on retreat might get rid of your stupidity.
Pat, did you not have sex whilst a Roman Catholic Priest?
I personally believe that if a gay priest wishes to have sex he should leave the Catholic Church, just so that we the laity know that our priests aren’t hypocritical.
Laity mostly prefer the priest to be honest with their money and honest in their way of living…that is until laws change re their sexual practices and salary is earned rather than donated into a box at mass.
Most priests would just tell you to take a run and jump. Same with the pope.
@1.54pm Sounds about right. It reminds me of a notorious PP from Co. Derry who has featured on the blog recently. Burglars went to his house as he was away on holiday. A neighbour disturbed the burglars and got clobbered by them. Then the neighbour discovered the PP was at home sleeping after all whilst telling everyone he had gone on holiday. Why do some Priests tell their flocks brazen lies like this? They are too well off out wining and dining and I won’t even get started on the flash cars they drive.
3.48: You are a nosey individual. Mind your own business. At this stage of recent, accusatory, ugly, hateful and vicious commentart on priests, who’ll be the first to be publicly beaten and defenestrated? The hatred expressed towards priests is frightening, most of it undeserved. I would not encourage any young man to present for priesthood. Never in this hostile environment. And onky that I’m almost 80 years of age, I’d be tempted to pack my bags! The vitriolic comments are scary for me having lived as faithfully as I could the life of priesthood. I am almost fearful of walking down the street wearing the collar but I won’t allow this hatred to turn me against my way of life.
Father, I believe you did good and lived well. Thank you for your faithfulness and service.
As a priest who wears his collar all the time, as a witness and an invitation, I have been abused and spat on in Dublin.
Those who have abused and covered up have given us all a bad name.
Wake up old man at 80, your colleagues have only themselves to blame because they have brought this ridicule and treatment upon themselves.
Is anyone surprised by Pope Frank’s comments? If anyone thought the Roman Catholic Church was going to change their stance on homosexuality they must have been living in a fantasy world. As the late Christoper Hitchens said about their stance “no queers allowed”. LGBT people have been treat horribly by that church, and if you are a LGBT person, you need to think again about staying. As comedian Bill Maher put it, if you do not agree or live by the doctrines and teachings of this church, then what are you staying for?? The incense? Leave, and attend a proper church which will be welcoming, inclusive and will accept you for what you are, a decent human being, and leave this rat bag organisation, full to the brim of hypocrites, perverts, paedophiles, scam artists, abusers, rapists and that is just the clergy – the people or “laity” are the backbone of the church, and are treated like scum. Think again about where you attend and where you give money to.
We are not alone as the RC Church in how we treat gays Here in the North deep down most Churches despise gay people. Just look at the Presbyterian Church recently and the Wee Frees and Evangelicals are worse. Most Churches pay only lip service to gay people.
4.41: Another incitement to hatred of clergy. These generalised sweeping comments are unjust. Are you entitled to make overstated, derogatory, racist and abusive remarks like these? I believe you are nasty. However, I do not agree with or condone any abuse expressed towards or inflicted on any human being. I support a theology and spirituality of sexuality that respects its’ gift and sanctity. What any man or woman chooses to do in a loving, caring relationship is ultimately their moral responsibility. There are extremes of sexual behaviour which denigrate the human person and which are repugnant – these we must condemn. I suspect many priests like myself are welcoming of all who enter the Church. Respect for, and of one another is an imperative of gospel living. I do not believe in extremist judgments which incite hatred of others. This comment transgresses boundaries of “acceptable” language.
Father, you make rational and important points.
It is now 48 years since I entered seminary and I have met very many good priests and seminarians. Bishops are another matter 🙂
The problem we all have is that currently the RC church is best known for corruption, abuse and cover up.
So many seminarians are now sexually active with each other and others.
In every diocese there are cynical gay clerical cliques.
It’s not a priest having loving partner that is the problem. It’s the number of priests in saunas, gay cruising areas, hanging around toilets etc that is a bigger problem.
Rampant homosexual bishops, priests and seminarians is a massive issue in the church.
Apart from everything else they get the “good guys” a bad name 😦
Pity about you Father, as a gay man I don’t believe a word you say. I don’t trust you or your Bishops/Pope. I’ve got to the point where I despise you all.
I can understand your sense of hurt. The RC institution has hurt me deeply.
But I still k how there are good priests – but wonder why they don’t speak out more?
I cannot say I despise them. But I do despise the evil institution.
No one should prop it up in any way, even a little way.
5.37: I don’t need your sympathy not your hatred. I have never hated, abused or despised any person in my life and I cannot fathom the despicable attitudes you express. Seems to me you are a hurt individual and therefore I cannot offer you any comfort, simply because I am a priest! What a world and your lack of belief in my sincere comment at 5.11 is your problem, not mine!
5.37: There’s no doubting your angst! I suspect you are wounded in some way and it’s easy to hang your hurt on all priests and clergy. That’s your experience but your use of the word “despise” is unfortunate as your hatred will destroy you, not your perceived enemy. If your comment is in response to 5.11, you are utterly infantile and silly. If I was to publicly say “I despise gay peopke” I’d end up before the courts for racism and incitementbtp hatred. Have you the courage to express your hatred of priests publicly? I doubt it. And, as for the sub culture of gay life, which I’m sure you’re familiar with – disgusting and reprehensible. Do you despise that??? I’ll pray for you and I’ll pray especially for the good, elderly priest in comment of 5.11. He is deserving of respect not hatred.
5.37 – Another hateful gay man. Get over your putrid, despising heart man! Look to your own grouping – not exactly good role models for young people….I say!
5.37: I know many gay people have been hurt by the Church. I have listened to many of their stories over the years from them individually and from their psrents. I have offered my acceptance always of every person who has sought my help. I take people as I find them. Judgments are not the role of any priest. Ever. I am saddened at people who are hurt by unnecessary judgments. As a priest, I regret the horrible, unkind treatment of any person by church teachings or attitudes. Sadly, because of the hurt and pain experienced by many, many people, priests in general are almost despised as a particular group within society. I now understand why and I approach my work very carefully and perceptibly as I know we are a discredited lot. Yet, I believe in the idealism of priesthood (in Jesus) and I try to live it as best I can. I have learned over the last twenty years or more that any good I may have achieved is undone by the scandals within the Church and I plough on, sharing my concerns only with a good, wise counsellor and a spiritual guide. Both keep me sane and enable me to find a pathway through the mess. But I am sorry for any person who feels the hurt of judgment, isolation and unacceptance.
10:37, you are truly the first Roman Catholic priest/commentor on this blog who has impressed me with his words. A rare event, since I’m not known for my admiration of Roman Catholic priesthood. 😆
So the gay is not welcome in seminaries? I don’t think they got the email in Maynooth.
I’ve never seen the word defenestrate actually used in a sentence before lol.
The number of priests whinging on here today shows the cages you’ve rattled Pat. You simply don’t understand how hard these men work, on their knees at all hours, moving their lips, then that recipient of their ministration moves on, doesn’t thank them and they hardly get time for a cig before the next one. It’s exhausting and you should be more sympathetic about their need for time off!
Never heard of the Defenestration of Prague ? I remember it from my history lessons. Not sure who got defenestrated, however. Perhaps some King. Or Bishop ?
Not that I’m suggesting any Bishop should be defenestrated. Well, literally, I mean. Although……mmmmm ???
6.22: The word defenestrated means “to formally push someone out a window…get rid if them”…Your cynicism is very comedic!! Ever think of joining Tommy Tiernan?
What the hell business is it of yours, Buckley, whether or not anyone is leaving the priesthood? Typical of you – an aul handbag gossip – and a perfect illustration of your toxic blog of tittle tattle, mischief and poisonous tales.
This blog is one of the few places Irish Catholics can discuss the church and clergy.
We make it our business!
Are you one of Ryan’s Armagh buddies? Marshall got the boot, Ryan wants Out, who’s next?
Where’s Canon Matt Heartburn these days?
Missing the pompous old soak.
Probably pickling in a barrel of his favourite tipple, brandy. 😆
Bishio Pat, you gave MMN’s email address. Couldn’t you send him a link to this site?
“Magna Carta” is “inspired” by a very bitter, “gay”, ex D&C cleric(s). Typical of the embroidery queens and liturgy queens of that diocese is a contempt for their fellow countrymen south of the border which spews out of the composite “MC” from time to time. I could name them 😂
Magna darling, have you finished that lace alb you’re making for the holy monks yet? I hope you’re not sore that somebody has outed you on the new blog, but it’s for the best, darling.
Mommie Dearest, yes that alb. I realised, almost too late, that it would reveal rather too much of what that sainted apostle, Paul, calls ‘the flesh’.
Some of these monks are highly and holily ascetical, and wear only open-toed sandals (and the briefest leather thongs!😲) while offering Mass. I thought it best that they shouldn’t put temptation one another’s way dearest by wearing a see-through garment, so I’ve put the alb in the closet (the one I’ve loved to hide in since boyhood), retrieving it only when I’m overcome with liturgical sentiment. It is then that I come over all ‘traddie’, and sooo love to dress up.
Was I outed, dearest? My closet’s still in situ. 😆
Why don’t you, then? Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw 😅
@ gay D&C “MC” composite 🤪😂😌😉
@6.27pm I don’t need to give you any such info because it’s what the good people of Rostrevor say and they should know. If you’ve been on retreat there as much as you say you have Father then you wouldn’t see them going to pubs and restraunts to dine now would you? When you’re next there ask them about the huge legacies they’ve received from locals. Cut the crap about candlemaking etc – that’s only a hobby to keep them occupied and lay people are employed for that.
I have not heard about their outside eating and drinking habits.
But I do get reports that they are not very friendly, especially if you ring the doorbell for a Mass card when they are eating lunch.
Yes Pat, they don’t like to be disturbed at meal times.
7.46: Delighted that the Rostrevor Monks have received legacies. Good for them. Are you jealous? I will be there early new year. Their guidance has been beneficial to me and to many locals. You cut your crappy nonsense. Where do idiots like you descend from?
@8.30pm I bet you’re delighted they are getting legacies. When you go to them early new year I’m sure you can dine out with them like gluttons courtesy of the legacies. By the sound of it you only go there for a good time.
@16.19pm What a typical clergy reply to a man struggling with his sexuality, no doubt his response is due to being harshly treated by Clerics. What do you do, chastise him, call him silly and infantile. Finally you were condescending with the typical clergy nonsense reply, “I will pray for you”. I can hardly blame the man now when he says he despises the likes of you, who wouldn’t when you treated him like a child with that reply. Do you Clergy not get it or learn anything.
8.02: Seems like you need prayers too for a purification from your hatred of priests!
He was expressing legitimate, and reasonable, criticism, not hatred.
Don’t be touchy! 😆
9.06: Stop digging a bigger hole. Stop making such an ass of yourself. Your brain must be stymied with efforts at articulation and intellectual challenges. You make no sense. Just reread your silly, infantile comment. Where do idiots like you come from?
8.02: Tut, tut…..stop imagining and misreading comments….
Pat @7.55pm. We have friends in Rostrevor and we go down to visit them regularly and we love the scenery. On a recent visit our friends told my teenage Son that he should join the monastery in Rostrevor which I found a bit odd. They said he would have a great time living there and that they knew the monks lived the life of Reilly. It all seemed a bit strange at the time until I read earlier comments on your blog about the Rostrevor monks. I can now see where our friends were coming from, however, we will not be encouraging our Son to become a monk or a priest, he can be a pagan for all we care.
Keep your son away from all priests and monks, for Gods sake.
8.30: Does that include you Pat, a priest and bishop? I’m sure many parents don’t see you as a role model !
I would advise parents to closely observe their son’s interaction with all bishops and priests, including me. Yes.
I was a postulant or novice in two Benedictine monasteries, one of which belonged to the Olivetan congregation that Rostrevor belongs to. I’ve never eaten so well in my life as I did in the refectory. The other one belonged to the Subiaco congregation and while they would have a spread on feasts it was less ample the rest of the time.
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Having spent many times on retreats at Rostrevor where you have lunch and evening supper with the monks, I never experienced any outstandingly, rich or fancy food. Very, very ordinary – adequate but just about 2 star. It seemed to me it was all home produced. I also stayed for a few days in the Monte Olivetti Monastery in Tuscany and likewise the food was local, simple and sufficient. Absolutely nothing fanciful. The Tuscany monastery is magnificent for a retreat or just to be in silence for a few days.
8.33: When you were with the two monasteries, did you get third level education? If so, who paid?? How long did you stay?
Anon 8:33pm You could be describing Farnborough (Subiaco) in the late 80’s. Your description of feast days rings true and although less ample at other times it was still some of the best eating in my life. For a bean pole as I was back then, I actually filled out a little and started to look quite healthy for a time. I wouldn’t have called it decadent, but I have experienced greater austerity at other times in my life. I give retro thanks for the graces I did not or could not appreciate fully at the time!
8.26: This sounds like a makey up, stupid story, designed to mock and ridicule the community at Rostrevor. Get a life. Your “son” sounds like he needs to be free of your parenting.
Did you not like the truth then? Sounds like it to me.
Not sure, 10:19, whether your strange comment should elicit ‘Huh? or ‘Duh!’ . 😆
3.48 who was the Derry PP?
“Ryan… is a round peg in a square hole.”
They’re all the same, Bp Pat, misfits.
He’s in whose ‘hole’?
Sorry, but I didn’t quite catch that.
What was it you said? 😆
My wife and I dine out regularly because we are retired and enjoy doing so. We go to pubs, restaurants and hotels but it never ceases to amaze us the amount of priests dining in these places. The always seem to order the best wines, the best of foods like steak and no expense is spared. We know one priest in particular who dines in the same hotel every day of the week because my wife made enquiries with staff about it. We always eavesdrop on their conversations and their language and their conversations leave a lot to be desired. The Armagh City Hotel is a good place to bump into them, the Dunadry, Everglades in Derry or the Killyhelvin. Harvey’s Point is another where they tend to frequent and hide out. Money seems no object and some drink too much wine whilst driving afterwards. My wife thinks we should report them.
Report them! You are under grave moral obligation to do so. They could kill someone.
10.19: You’ve repeated this story before, you and your wife. Two nosey old bitches, the two of you. You deserve a bottle of Premier Cru Piss poured over you, preferably your own! Do you and your wife ever think of spying on others who drink and drive? Or reporting them to the police? You both are grannies, probably with knitting needles on hand. Stay in your beds you silly, nosey pair. You are disgusting.
A group of priests always gathered in the Dunadry e very Monday for lunch with an elderly lady who always paid. Among them was Fr John Murray PP Rasharkin whom the PSNI want back from Spain for questioning.