IF YOUR RELIGION CONTRADICTS THE LAW – IGNORE THE LAW – DIARMUID MARTIN

Catholic Archbishop: If Your Religion Contradicts the Law, Ignore the Law
BY SARAHBETH CAPLIN – Friendly Atheist

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DECEMBER 14, 2018 The Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin is telling Catholics that they are not obligated to follow laws that contradict their faith.
Far from separation of church and state, Martin wants Church to simply ignore the State.

Concerning the Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy Bill, which goes before the Seanad this week, Archbishop Martin said, “There’s a clear Catholic teaching that if legislation is against the basic principles of faith of people that they can’t be forced to carry it out.

Asked whether this right of Catholics not to obey laws in certain circumstances also included legislation on divorce, same-sex marriage and family planning, Archbishop said: “There’s a hierarchy of truths in Catholic teaching and the centrality of some aspects. If people have conscientious objection it’s a very important thing to remember it. For me, very often social change comes from people who stand up for their commitments.”
Social change is also delayed for the very same reason: because people are unable to separate their sacred principles from the rights of others to live their lives as they see fit. No one is asking Catholics to change their beliefs — just not to force them on the public. That, apparently, is a separation Martin doesn’t accept.
Last week, in a strongly-worded statement, the Catholic bishops said they were “dismayed that, for the most part, the voices of those who voted against abortion in May’s referendum have been ignored. Even what many people would have deemed to have been very reasonable legislative amendments seeking to provide women with information and to prohibit abortion on the grounds of sex, race or disability, have been rejected.”

“Every one of us has a right to life. It is not given to us by the Constitution of Ireland or by any law. We have it ‘as of right’, whether we are wealthy or poor, healthy or sick. All human beings have it. The direct and intentional taking of human life at any stage is gravely wrong and can never be justified.
If the preservation of life is the ultimate goal, Catholics will have to realize that they have no choice but to accept the lesser, “venial” sins of contraception and sex education in public schools. Those are just two of many methods that are most effective when it comes to preventing unwanted pregnancies. A “pro-life” ethic that is not influenced by the realities of poverty and socioeconomic privilege is useless and destructive.
Martin’s assessment might make former Kentucky clerk Kim Davis proud, but if everyone chose to follow only the laws they wanted to, while claiming a religious defense for ignoring the rest, society wouldn’t function. Martin’s fine with faith trumping civil laws… but I have a hunch he would be saying something very different if we were talking about Muslims and other non-Christians instead of fellow Catholics.

PAT SAYS:

I think that Diarmuid Martin was having a Bishop Kevin Doran (being gay is like being Downs Syndrome) moment when he said the above.

As Irish citizens we are all bound to obey Irish law – or suffer the consequences.

Some might even go as far as saying that Diarmuid is guilty of inciting law breaking or of conspiracy to break the law?

He is obviously talking about the new abortion legislation that has been introduced by the Irish government.

I am general speaking, anti abortion, except in rare cases where an abortion could be seen as the lesser of two evils.

But I must accept that a clear majority of the Irish people voted for this legislation – and even though it goes against my religious beliefs I must accept it as a social and political reality.

Of course I can speak out about it = but that does not mean that I can break the law by harassing women at the entrances of clinics and hospitals or by threatening the life of medical professionals.

I’m sure that in the future the government, when advertising certain medical vacancies will include the willingness to perform certain procedures into the job descriptions of those jobs.

RC doctors etc, who have a problem with certain procedures. then will simply apply for the job. Problem solved. 

People like Diarmuid Martin and his pal Amy, will have to realise that Ireland is no longer a Confessional Catholic state.

In fact, Ireland, because of the disgraceful behaviours and activities of junior and senior RC clerics is fast becoming an anti-Catholic state – a development that is completely justified by our experience of the RC’s in the past and at present.

There is one important abortion I would truly like to see – the TERMINATION of any RC influence in Ireland.

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68 thoughts on “IF YOUR RELIGION CONTRADICTS THE LAW – IGNORE THE LAW – DIARMUID MARTIN

  1. Dear Pat,
    Your post, like many comentators on the abortion referendium, has misunderstood the referendium. What people were asked to vote on was; should we cease to recognise the right of the unborn to life. People voted that we should.
    Having removed that right to life the Oireachtas was free to legislate an Act to regulate abortion, thereby overturning the Act which still makes abortion illegal (until Pres. Higgins signs the new bill).
    The people have NOT voted on how abortion ought to be regulated. Moreover how abortion should be regulated is an important debate to have.
    So please be respectful of the legalities involved here – even if you do not understand them.

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    1. I congratulate Peadar Tobin on his anti-abortion stance and wish him well in his efforts to form a new party. I also admire those doctors who are opposed to the new abortion laws.
      I have always voted for Sinn Fein – but never again!
      No party has the right to demand support from its TDS – MPs-to vote contrary to their conscience.
      How many martyrs have there been who followed their conscience rather than submit to immoral or unjust laws?
      Is ireland rapidly becoming a pagan state?

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      1. 2:15; The Church over the last 25 years is managing to do what the English couldn’t do for hundreds of years, that is, quench the faith of thousands of the faithful.
        We are rapidly becoming a pagan country.

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  2. Excellent blog Pat. Yes, Ireland is fast becoming an anti Catholic State and who is to blame for that? We all know the answer and they continue to sit in their ivory towers. So many young people are totally anti Church for good reason, it was interesting to read the views of young people during the week on the blog. I think one called for a ‘revolution’ regarding the Church. Another said he despised priests as a young gay man if my memory serves me correct. Strong language I know but I think it gives us a sense of how the younger Irish generation are truly feeling. Bishops and Priests who feel they are ‘God’ and wield and abuse their power and Lord it over people need to quickly wake up. The future for them doesn’t look good. Injustices by the Clerical caste dished out to the faithful over the years is coming back to bite them hard. And we know what they say about injustice – it breeds hatred. Remember Pat you stand as an example of the man they couldn’t hang but they still want to.

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    1. @: 7:11; Good comment.
      I’m in total agreement.
      Young people in the church
      are rapidly becoming an endangered species!

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      1. Yes @7.11 Very appropriate what you have said. I voted for equal marriage and abortion reform simply as a protest vote against the horrible Catholic church. It’s treatment of people and it’s views are totally incompatible with modern life. They have no right to speak out on anything after their own hypocrisy over the years.

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  3. Fly on Th Wall 16th Dec 2018 — 8:39 am

    Martin the magnificent hi seems more interested in sex and socalled
    Morals than he is in God or people based on the above hi but

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    1. 11:09
      Are you saying that you voted contrary to your conscience?

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  4. Fly on Th Wall 16th Dec 2018 — 8:48 am

    Hi a thought hi If religious law above civil law does that mean suicide bombers and all that is ok.
    Rubbish hi

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    1. Fly; we have enough head bangers in Catholicism than having to worry about suicide head bangers in other religious persuasions!

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      1. Fly on Th Wall 16th Dec 2018 — 3:02 pm

        Religion is religion hi If other religions can have headbangers why can’t Vatikan and Co. Civil law applies to all in the jurisdiction hi See the bigger pikture. Jesus did I think so

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  5. Can you find no more inspiring or uplifting reflection to offer on this 3rd Sunday of Advent? Why are you forever trying to bring Archbishop Diarmuid and Archbishop Eamonn into disrepute? They are right to speak about the sanctity of life of the unborn child. Abortion is the deliberate destruction/killing of the unborn. The law being signed into legislation is the most progressive abortion legislation than our nearest neighbours in Europe. In Ireland today, for any person to express their moral views about the wrong and evil of abortion is to be open to total ridicule, mockery and hatred. Unborn life is SACRED, is precious and has an absolute right to be protected. I never expect you, Pat, to support the moral teachings of the Catholic Church. Your views are made up to suit the mood of the times. Today, Gaudete Sunday, as we await in joy the Promiised One of God, let us pray for the upholding of the sanctity and preciousness of the unborn child. Let us pray too for all mothers and parents who face difficult dilemmas.

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    1. @9:14;
      What’s wrong with you that you need a more inspiring and uplifting reflection this morning…?

      Here’s a reflection for you to consider making Father;

      sit before the Lord in the tabernacle for a few hours and contemplate the tears of blood that flowed from the eyes of Christ during his passion and crucifixion.

      And consider this;

      that’s the depth of existential suffering that many people, who have been abused by some members of the clergy and some members of the hierarchy, have had to endure.

      Then thank the Lord if you haven’t had that depth of sharing in Christ’s passion!

      Pray for those who had that depth of suffering;

      and ask for Christ forgiveness on those in your fraternity responsible for inflicting those deep wounds on members of the people of God and ultimately on Christ himself.

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      1. 11.41: Precisely my point, Cool Dude! I do spend time trying to make reparation for the crimes committed by some of my colleagues. I am as abhorred and outraged as you and others are. I have indeed encountered, supported and helped victims/survivors of sexual abuse. I continue to do so. Slamming people into the ground with nasty, venomous and hateful language won’t ever solve anything or bring healing to anyone. Sadly, much anger against the Church is its own fault but the hate now being expressed towards all clergy is frightening and worrying. And, totally unjust.

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      2. Why should you sit in front of a piece of bread for a few hours? Feck sake cop yourself on.

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      3. Fly on Th Wall 16th Dec 2018 — 3:07 pm

        Sounds like a plan hi. But remember the Ballance Physical and Spiritual hi Prayer and haction so

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  6. It’s a bit late in the day for the Irish Bishops to try ‘half shut the stable door’… when the horse is well and truly….’bolted and running at the races’.
    In my view, the yes vote was partly an anti-catholic vote from many citizens, due to corruption in the Catholic Church.

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    1. The cool dude😎 16th Dec 2018 — 2:49 pm

      @1:40;
      I appreciate your sincerity Father, however, with respect, you couldn’t be as outraged as I am, unless you had suffered as deeply as I have suffered.
      I have slammed no one into the ground nor have I used nasty venomous or hateful language nor do I express hatred towards anyone.
      That is contrary to the Gospel.
      I take the Gospel , all of the Gospel, seriously.
      My Bishop doesn’t respect
      me or show me the decency or courtesy of a reply to correspondence.
      Is that pastorally appropriate or Christ like or basic respectfulness from my ‘Shepherd’?
      After years of the so called child abuse scandal in the Catholic Church, that’s still, apparently, the widespread practice among Bishops.
      The clerical fraternity seem to take precedence.
      That’s been my experience.
      Not Jesus Christ or the Gospel or charity!
      Regardless of all the public apologies and all of the reports in clerical abuse and all of the waffle, nothing much has changed.
      Even the moral authority of the Papacy has been undermined and is eroding.
      And there’s plenty more scandals to erupt into the public domain, like, for example, the rape of religious sisters by clergy that’s kept under wraps.
      Maybe priests need to
      organize days of reparation among themselves or in their respective Parishes.
      The times they are a
      changin!😎

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      1. 2.49: As in my post at 1.40, I share your feelings. I’m not sure what your personal experience is, but I have been totally disgusted by all the revelations of clerical abuse in all its forms. I have been at the receiving end of abuse, emotional and verbal because of my views and outspokenness. That pales into insignificance against what some have experienced. I cindemn all abuse; I condemn all cover ups; I simply do my best to ensure I live as justly, honestly and morally right as possible. I try to keep spiritually on the right track but fail often. I am not suggesting you are slamming anyone into the ground but there are many who are very hateful and abusive in their language. I understand people being angry but being deliberately and provocatively hateful is wrong. I just feel there’s an atmosphere of hostility that’s very worrying. I feel that hostility now more than ever. I find it very challenging. All I can do is try and make some reparation.

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    2. @3:01;
      Who said you should?
      Try it for a few weeks and see what happens!
      You may be incredibly surprised !

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      1. The cool dude 😎 16th Dec 2018 — 7:04 pm

        @3:07;
        You’re clueless about my personal experience and you don’t share my feelings. You couldn’t share my feelings, unless your life has also been ruined as a consequence of clerical criminality.
        You ought to be disgusted and your colleagues in the clergy fraternity and hierarchy ought to be disgusted. As I said, in my experience the clerical fraternity takes precedence.
        That , in my opinion, is a major part of why this ‘scandal’ has dragged on for years. Historically, there has always been an anti catholic strain in societies. However, the clergy and hierarchy are greatly responsible for the anti catholic sentiments and mass apostasy taking place in the Catholic Church and in many countries once considered staunchly catholic.
        I wish you well in your ministry and do consider organizing hours of reparation to the Lord in your parish. 😎

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  7. Glad to see you being held accountable for your anti-Catholic public behaviours. Hopefully you will be removed from the world of social media completely. Just talk about normal religious things, why not?

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    1. Why if you are so opposed to Pat are you continuing to read his views and his blog on social media? Becausectou are a nosey bastardo aren’t you?

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      1. @10:53am:

        Most people read this blog out of nosiness, for the craic and to see who is being ridiculed and pilloried on a given day. Fact!

        It’s no secret. They certainly don’t come for the intellectual stimulation offered, for the scintillating wit, depth of wisdom, beauty of the prose, or quality of debate.

        Most days it’s the same predictable, tired, boring old rants and diatribes.

        But, occasionally, there is a juicy piece of gossip – made up or true – about some cleric or other – that Pat relays with relish; and then the commentators come in with their tuppences worth of vitriol.

        And there’s the odd scandal too when some cleric gets his todger out to wave it at young fellas, on Grindr, or Silver Daddies, or somewhere like that. We just LOVE those!

        That’s just how it is 10:53am – people indeed, a lot of them, are “nosey bastardos”.

        Matthew 24:38 – “where the corpse lies, there will the vultures gather”.

        It’s like those aul wans in Paris who used to bring their knitting to the guillotine and settle themselves down for a day’s entertainment, maybe a pique nique, as the heads came flying off and the blood spouted in fountains.

        So, 10:53am old bean, on this fine Sunday morning, it’s no mystery why the blog is so popular and why we all keeping coming back again and again, several times a day, to see what’s occurring.

        It’s like when you used to check the teletext. It’s like a quick scan of the scandal sheets. Human nature and all that …. 😉🙂

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    2. @9:45;
      Yeah….’normal religious things…’ that are not going to induce discomfort, otherwise Bp. Pat, the catholic mafia will have you censored and removed from the world of social media! 🤬
      The modern day inquisitional mafiso consider it their duty to shut dissenting voices up.
      If the good Lord put in an appearance the catholic mafia would have the Lord sectioned to shut Him up!

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      1. 11:59;
        Are you a seminarian?

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    3. 11:59, how do you know that most people who read this blog do so for the reasons you state? Thousands around the world read it daily. Have you surveyed them all? For a start you don’t know who most here are since, virtually everyone posts anonymously.

      You’re a prat, aren’t you? 😆

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      1. Oh so sorry to the “Magna Carta composite” at 1.22pm, a thousand apologies! They come here in their teeming millions for YOU girls, don’t they?

        They can’t get enough of the riveting yet toxic narrative your nasty little “composite” of embittered clerical – and wannabe clerical – queens compose, together, in your little drinking/knitting circle. It’s positively addictive. It’s better than Corrie and Easties.

        What an oversight on my part! 🤣

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      2. The biggest collection of prats are you girls, Magna Carta 🤪😂🤣

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    4. 2:45, you don’t take criticism well, do you hun?
      Ha ha ha 😅
      😆

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    5. 7.04: Obviously you choose to misinterpret my words. Do so if you wish. You don’t know me but if it gives you release from your horrendous experience, then you can choose not to want to hear what I’m saying. I know my realities, frailties, truthfulness and my capacity for human decency, empathy, compassion and understanding. I guess there’s nothing I can ever say to make you accept my “empathy”. That is your problem, not mine. Thankfully, others appreciate my professionalism when requested.

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      1. The cool dude 😎 16th Dec 2018 — 8:25 pm

        How have I misinterpreted your words? Please, don’t patronize me with waffle about escaping from horrendous experience, guff!
        Tell me, why do you think the scandals in the Church have dragged on for so long? Why do you think Bishops choose not to reply to correspondence from survivors?
        Does the clerical fraternity take precedence?
        How can you emphasize with me when you haven’t a clue about me or heard my story?
        I’m not questioning your realities, or frailties or decency…etc….or whether you do or don’t challenge abuse or anything else for that matter!
        Why would I or how could I when I’m clueless about you and your ministry.
        I don’t want or need your empathy;
        it’s you who appear to have the problem re. your ‘empathy’ not been accepted!
        I’m also not questioning your professionalism nor did I request it or look to you to go into professional mode!
        The last person I would seek professional invention from is a Priest. Priests have been responsible for destroying my life! Why would I go near a Priest or talk to a Priest or seek support from a Priest.
        Can you accept and understand that view?
        Are you sure your not misinterpreting me and avoiding my questions? 😎

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  8. Anti censorship 16th Dec 2018 — 11:39 am

    9:14. It’s not Pat who is bringing the two Martins into disrepute. They do a good enough job themselves

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    1. 11:39;
      Amen to that!

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      1. 8 25: The responses you are giving to another commentator, presumably a priest, are intriguing. But I think you are very closed minded to any kindness that might be offered to you. I think you should at least accept the effort of understanding of 7.36 in a kinder spirit. Nastiness and dismisdive condescension are useless and ugly. Perhaps you should stay on your therapy.

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    2. 11.39: I don’t agree with you. There’s been a nasty, vindictive onslaught on this blog against both Archbishops, led by Pat. Yes, these men are responsible for the running of their Dioceses and don’t always get things right but the sneering, jeering, mocking and hateful comments against them is evil. Some of the commentators would be very welcome on the streets of Paris with the yellow badge, mob lynch brigades.

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      1. @ 2;45;
        I reckon you’re a seminarian or a young cleric; a Dougsll McGuire type from Fr. Ted!

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      2. Thanks Father

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      3. The cool dude😎 16th Dec 2018 — 10:45 pm

        8:53;
        Tell me, where did I make reference to being in therapy?
        You can think whatever you like re. me being closed minded to kindness.etc.
        You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about re me or my story.
        The Priest refused to answer my questions, more than likely, because the questions are ‘ too close to the clerical fraternal bone’. 😎

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  9. Pat, surely there are laws which could be enacted by a majority that you would not obey yourself?
    Many people, particularly young people, have simply turned their backs on God and they are happy to find excuses and others to blame. There is no valid excuse not to be going to some church today.
    People rightly patronise this blog because they have an opportunity to speak and be listened to on issues not discussed elsewhere. And because you, Pat, have the courage to run with your convictions.

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    1. @3:03pm well you’d be totally WRONG then wouldn’t you? 😂
      I “reckon” you’re a nasty old ex-seminarian, with an almighty chip on your shoulder, seething with drunken hate; and in deep denial about your sexual predilections for slim, blue-eyed, handsome, blondie boys like me! Eh what? 🤣🤣🤣

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      1. 3:13;
        Yep!
        It’s a Fr. Dougall Guire…gay type! 😁

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  10. Fly on Th Wall 16th Dec 2018 — 1:08 pm

    9 aclock 10 aclock rock. Does anyone go mass any more hi

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    1. The cool dude😎 16th Dec 2018 — 1:50 pm

      Fly;
      I still rock at 12 o clock mass! 😎

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    2. I do. 12 noon.

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      1. The cool dude😎 16th Dec 2018 — 1:54 pm

        Rock on! 😎

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    3. Did you have a classroom assistant, hi?
      #SEN

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      1. Don’t trash SEN pupils.

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      2. @5:53;
        What are you going on about fly?

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  11. Anti censorship 16th Dec 2018 — 2:48 pm

    1:32. Your characterisation of some of the bloggers as gilet jaunes is far fetched. Yes the Martins are trying to run their dioceses and yes they don’t always get it right. But these men have set themselves up as paragons of virtue. I’m no biblical scholar but I do remember the line “by your fruits are you known”. Sadly these two individuals and countless other “shepherds” of the church have become known for their actions which continue to have a devastating effect on people. That’s not in keeping with the Christian message. It is right and proper that they are held to account. This blog gives people a chance to speak out, to highlight the wrongs carried out by their so called “shepherds” or “princes” of the church. It is not we, who post, degrade them. They degrade themselves by their actions, cover ups, and lack of action. They, not we, have chosen to accept positions of power. With power comes responsibility. They would do well to exercise this power responsibly. That they have not leaves them, not us, responsible. They degrade both themselves and the Christian message. There is a massive difference between not always getting things right (none of us do) and wilfully doing things in the incorrect and just manner. So it is fair that a spotlight is shone upon them. This blog gives us the chance to do this

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    1. The cool dude😎 16th Dec 2018 — 2:54 pm

      2:48;… Great comment! 😎

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      1. Cool dude? Can we hang out?
        I’m kooler! 😆 (I even spell ‘cool’ with ‘k’. How kool is that?💃)

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    2. Yes, good comment. 👍

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      1. The cool dude 😎 16th Dec 2018 — 6:32 pm

        Magna;
        that’s ultra koooool…..! 😎

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  12. So many Clergy on here – so obvious given the tone and language. They all check in for the latest Clerical gossip with alcohol in hand. They add to the Clerical gossip out of spite. We know how you operate Fathers.

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    1. 3.14: More nonsense from priest/Church haters. I often wonder what people like you do for the good of your community. You are quick to spout hatred and judgment but always from behind keyboard. Moral cowards. Lazy phillistines.

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      1. @ 7:24;
        Now, there’s an example of psychological projection, if ever! 😇

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  13. @7.11am You are clearly a member of Buckley’s gang. Go and hang your head in shame. You are a child killer and without any morals. Hateful nasty abortion promoter. Burn in hell you evil cunt.

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    1. The cool dude 😎 16th Dec 2018 — 6:41 pm

      4:02;
      Charming…! You’re a right little charmer now aren’t you! 😎

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    2. 8.31: Now you are being rather supercilious in your comment. There are nasty people who sit behind their laotop making mischief fir others and whose wirds incite hatred. Fact. Expressing such an obvious truth is not psychological projection…Somehow I don’t think you’re clever ir intelligent!

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      1. 9:50
        No doubt there are nasty people who sit behind their laptop making mischief for others.
        The contributor at 3:14 made an observation, albeit it conveying an antipathy towards clergy by referring to alcohol in hand. The contributor at 7:24 attributed or ascribed hatred to the contributor at 3:14 ; as well as, judgementalism, moral cowardice, sloth , being a philistine, not to mention not contributing to the good of his or her community.
        All that on the basis of a few lines re clergy!
        I suggest the contributor at 7:24 is unconsciously telling us more about him or herself than he or she realizes through his or her groundless attributions.
        Splinters and logs come to mind!

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  14. 11.09: If you used so important a referendum – termination of pregnancy (abortion mire accurately) to register an anti Catholic protest, you are an idiot. Just have nothing to do with the Church. You voted against your conscience. I call that cowardice not courage. You obviously are not a person of integrity of conscience or principle. You should have thought about the innocent unborn child, not your angst with the Church. Moral coward.

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    1. You’re response makes me feel I was vindicated in the way I used my vote.

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  15. “… the Catholic bishops aka pulpit pooves said they were “dismayed that, for the most part, the voices of those who voted against abortion in May’s referendum have been ignored.”

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  16. 8.25: I don’t know anything about you except what you say here. I believe you. I don’t doubt your experience. Let me assure you, I’ve had my own personal traumas in life but will not allow them to destroy me. Having sought professional help and therapy I know what I’m talking about. I hve achieved an understanding of what abuse can do, deeper than you may attribute to me but I think we’ll never have a meeting of minds. I’m wondering why you present as rather frivolous on some of your comments!! You seem pretty patronising yourself…..End of dialogue.

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    1. The cool dude😎 16th Dec 2018 — 9:07 pm

      8:48;
      My personal trauma hasn’t destroyed me either. I also believe you. Life wounds all of us, some far more deeply than others. I also know what I’m talking about. Good for you if you’ve achieved a deep understanding of abuse.
      I attributed nothing to you.
      I note you’ve avoided answering my questions!
      That speaks for itself!
      God bless you and your ministry. 😎

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  17. 9.07: My last response. We probably have much more in common that we realise. However, I can only imagine out of my experiences what you may be going through. Like grief, all recovery journeys are individual and uniquely different. Tgere may be similarities but we each chart our way through the terrain and more bearable if we seek help. To answer your question(s) of earlier – I accept that the leaders of the Church have been criminally negligent in responding to the TRUTH of abuse suffered by so many. The Church’s response has been appalling, putting the institution before deeply hurt and broken people, ignoring painful pleas for accountability and justice. I deplore the response of the Church hierarchy. I do not equivocate on my complete disgust at the on-going crisis. It shames me. It also makes me very angry, forcing me to ask serious questions about my responsibilities and relevance as a priest. I would not expect you to trust any church personnel, ever. In the landscape of present day church and priesthood scandals, I appreciate why so many stay away and I accept their decisions and justified disgust. It leaves me very, very uncertain of my future. I struggle with these realities. I wish you well.

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    1. The cool dude😎 16th Dec 2018 — 11:40 pm

      @11:04;
      Father, thank you for your honest, sincere and kind response. I appreciate it.
      That’s what I needed to hear.
      No doubt we have more in common than we realize or will ever know. What we both have in common, for sure, is a love for the Lord! I have spent years forgiving those who deeply wounded me and destroyed my life. Those prayers were heard by the Lord and I have been deeply graced and blessed. Eye has not seen, Father; God is blissful love!
      I also feel for you and the many good men and women in ministry. Preach the gospel in season and out of season and trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean on Him.
      ( Proverbs; 3:5&6.)
      God bless you. 😎

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