POPE FRANCIS ASKS PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS TO HAND THEMSELVES OVER TO POLICE

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Pope Francis tells Curia: ‘Spare no effort’ in bringing abusers to justice
Courtney Grogan/CNA
21 December, 2018

Pope Francis strongly condemned clerical sex abuse in his annual Christmas speech to the Roman Curia Friday, promising that the Church leadership will never again cover-up abuse or treat such cases lightly.
“Let it be clear that before these abominations the Church will spare no effort to do all that is necessary to bring to justice whosoever has committed such crimes. The Church will never seek to hush up or not take seriously any case,” Pope Francis said in Vatican’s City’s Apostolic Palace on December 21.
“It is undeniable that some in the past, out of irresponsibility, disbelief, lack of training, inexperience, or spiritual and human short-sightedness, treated many cases without the seriousness and promptness that was due. That must never happen again. This is the choice and the decision of the whole Church,” he continued.
The 40 minute address to the cardinals and members of the Roman Curia largely focused on the “scourges of abuse and infidelity.”
The pope delivered a decisive message to those “consecrated men, ‘the Lord’s anointed’, who today “abuse the vulnerable, taking advantage of their position and their power of persuasion.”
With his hands visibly shaking as he read from his prepared text, the pope addressed abusive clergy directly, telling them to prepare to face justice.
“To those who abuse minors I would say this: convert and hand yourself over to human justice, and prepare for divine justice,” Pope Francis said.
“Remember the words of Christ: ‘Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of scandals! For it is necessary that scandals come, but woe to the man by whom the scandal comes!’” he added.
The pope chose to focus his Christmas address on the struggles the Church faced in the past “turbulent” year. “This year, in our turbulent world, the barque of the Church has experienced, and continues to experience, moments of difficulty, and has been buffeted by strong winds and tempests,” he said.
Francis outlined what he perceived to be the different reactions from Catholics around the world in response to the sex abuse crisis.
“Many have found themselves asking the Master, who seems to be sleeping: ‘Teacher, do you not care that we are perishing?’ Others, disheartened by news reports, have begun to lose trust and to abandon her. Still others, out of fear, personal interest or other aims, have sought to attack her and aggravate her wounds. Whereas others do not conceal their glee at seeing her hard hit,” he said.
“Many, many others, however, continue to cling to her, in the certainty that ‘the gates of hell shall not prevail against her,’” he added.
The pope also thanked the journalists who shed light on the cases of sex abuse within the Church, “who were honest and objective and sought to unmask these predators and to make their victims’ voices heard.”
“Even if it were to involve a single case of abuse (something itself monstrous), the Church asks that people not be silent but bring it objectively to light, since the greater scandal in this matter is that of cloaking the truth,” Francis added.
He urged, “Please, let us help Holy Mother Church in her difficult task of recognizing real from false cases, accusations from slander, grievances from insinuations, gossip from defamation.”
In a possible indication of the scope of the Vatican’s February meeting to address the abuse of minors and other vulnerable adults, the pope said that the Church must confront the root causes of sexual abuse, both within itself and in the wider society.
“The Church will not be limited to healing her own wounds, but will seek to deal squarely with this evil that causes the slow death of so many persons, on the moral, psychological and human levels.”
“An effort will be made to make past mistakes opportunities for eliminating this scourge, not only from the body of the Church but also from that of society. For if this grave tragedy has involved some consecrated ministers, we can ask how deeply rooted it may be in our societies and in our families,” he commented.
At the February meeting, the heads of all of the international bishops’ conferences “will question, with the help of experts, how best to protect children, to avoid these tragedies, to bring healing and restoration to the victims, and to improve the training imparted in seminaries,” Francis said.
Pope Francis said he wanted to “stress the importance of a growing awareness that should lead to a duty of vigilance and protection on the part of those entrusted with governance in the structures of ecclesial and consecrated life.”
“The strength of any institution does not depend on its being composed of men and women who are perfect (something impossible!), but on its willingness to be constantly purified, on its capacity to acknowledge humbly its errors and correct them; and on its ability to get up after falling down,” he said.
The pope used the Biblical story of King David to analyze the sins of “abuses of power and conscience and sexual abuse.”
“Today too, there are many Davids who, without batting an eye, enter into the web of corruption and betray God, his commandments, their own vocation, the Church, the people of God and the trust of little ones and their families. Often behind their boundless amiability, impeccable activity and angelic faces, they shamelessly conceal a vicious wolf ready to devour innocent souls,” he said.

FRANCIS – ACTION! NOT JUST WORDS!

No one can reasonably disagree with Francis’ words to the Roman curia.

But we know that the vast majority of paedophiles would never hand themselves over to the police.

So Francis needs to put his money where his mouth is and:

  1. Dismiss ex cardinal McCarrick from the clerical state and make him a layman.
  2. Do the same to Pell if his conviction stands.
  3. Excommunicate all clerical child abusers. If you can be excommunicated for becoming a bishop without Rome’s permission surely you can be excommunicated for sexually abusing a child?
  4. Make crimes against children one of the most serious crimes in canon law.
  5. Set up national tribunals consisting of prosecutors, policemen, judges and social services to conduct investigations into accused bishops and priests.
  6. Hand over all files on bishop and priest abusers to the police.

When Francis does these things we will know he is serious.

Words are just too easy without accompanying actions.

Angel Boligan / El Universal, Mexico City

The Pope Didn’t Go Far Enough in Urging Predatory Priests to Turn Themselves In
BY HEMANT MEHTA – Friendly Atheist

In a speech made this morning to Vatican administrators, Pope Francis urged priests to do what the Catholic Church has proved incompetent at doing: Weed out the abusers in their midst. He told predatory priests to “convert and hand yourself over to human justice, and prepare for divine justice.”
That might be great advice if anyone actually took the threat seriously. But if the priests didn’t follow the “Don’t rape kids” rule, it’s hard to imagine they’re going to fall in line with the whole “Turn yourselves in” approach.
It didn’t help that the pope also used his speech to go after critics of the Church who called out the abuse beyond merely reporting on it.
The pontiff also suggested that some critics of the Church are taking advantage of the scandals to inflict additional damage on it.
“Others, out of fear, personal interest or other aims, have sought to attack [the Church] and aggravate her wounds,” he said. “Others do not conceal their glee at seeing her hard hit.”
Dude. The critics (hello) who condemn the Church’s inaction aren’t throwing victory parties. We’re angry and appalled and infuriated that a giant crime ring has been able to continue functioning all because it’s dressed up in religion. If we weren’t talking about the Catholic Church, an organization with this many credible allegations of abuse and people at high levels covering it all up would’ve been shut down decades ago.
At no point did the pope go into detail about how individual churches would be punished for not being fully transparent with government officials investigating them. He didn’t say the Church was changing the intractable doctrine that leads priests to groom children instead of finding partners their own age. He didn’t call for a change in Vatican guidelines that call for bishops to turn abusers in to civil authorities only if the local law requires it.
Instead, he just claimed the Church would “never again” cover up sex abuse by religious leaders… which implies that, yes, they covered up sex abuse by religious leaders up until this very moment.
Keep in mind this comes the same week we learned that the discrepancy between abusers reported by the Church and abusers being investigated by law enforcement in Illinois was more than 500. While not all 500 will turn out to be credible allegations, it’s hard to imagine all of them will turn up nothing. Which means the cover up is still going on.
The speech might have been useful a few decades ago. Right now, it’s quite literally the least he could do. It was the equivalent of Republican Sen. Jeff Flake admonishing Donald Trump. We hear the words, but we see no meaningful action to back it up. At some point, the rhetoric itself just becomes a running gag.

 

74 thoughts on “POPE FRANCIS ASKS PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS TO HAND THEMSELVES OVER TO POLICE

  1. Fine words indeed. Now let us see the action needed to expel all the sexual, physical, emotional and psychological clerics who are abusers.

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  2. I bet it will be another busy day of posts on Magnas blog.

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    1. 👍😆

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  3. Pat,
    Please show the picture of Coddle Martin with that turkey shaped hat on him to help us all get into the festive spirit.

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    1. 1.28: Why should Pat acquiesce to your silly nonsensical concerns? I hope he stays on the topic being discussed which deserves reasoned, rational, truthful and intelligent comments. It’s too serious to be trivialized by name calling and ridiculing. Try to at least appear that you have a brain!

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      1. @10:55am – Ah fer fecks sake lighten up ya prat! 😂😂😂 Tis Chrissymiss after all 🎅Ho!🎅 Ho!🎅 Ho! 🤣

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      2. What’s wrong with a bit of turkey hat themed craic? It’s the LOLidays!

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  4. Frank is showing weakness and losing his authority. He knows who they are, inform the authorities and let the law take over. He could start with McCarrick.

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    1. More like his insincerity. This is what that Latino is really showing.
      Did you not wonder why his address to the so-called ‘Roman Curia’ was filmed, and then generally released for international broadcasting? The entire event was a stunt, a deceit, to convince an increasingly sceptical world that Pope Francis, and his co-conspirators, have changed.
      They haven’t!

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      1. 🙄

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  5. In that case I hereby call on Pope Francis to open the archives of all dioceses and religious orders for scrutiny by police.

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  6. As the commentator Hemant Mehta points out, Francis acts to predictable form when he goes beyond the abusers within the Church to posturing the Church as a self-pitying victim that people are getting at and criticising ! Well, Papa Francesco, if your apparatchiks hadn’t succumbed to their power, influence, self-satisfaction and selfishness, and evil action, then we wouldn’t have to criticise the Church on this matter. This is completely self-inflicted. Everything from the way you choose your candidates, to the distorted and unhealthy clerical culture in which they are trained and live, to the evil itself, to the coverup, to the transference of blame to the Devil and to homosexuals, to the dolt headed stupidity and self-preservation with which you have faced this grave scandal…well, all of this and more, including your attitude now that the Church is the true victim attacked on all sides – all shows that at its very core the Church is simply not able to address this issue and solve it. You are all swimming aimlessly, foundering about, and grasping at anything to save yourselves.

    You, the Church, have lost all legitimacy to put this matter right, never mind moral credibility and integrity. What we will continue to see, and rightly so, is other authorities taking over on this matter, secular authorities, and calling the Church to account. We are seeing this in the USA where the secular legal authorities in states are undertaking their own investigations and requiring the Church to comply with their demands for information and records. They talk the language of institutional and organised crime, and see the Church as hardly better than other organised criminal operations like the Mafia. In the UK for the first time, a Cardinal – hereto used to deference and independence of action – has been brought before a state inquiry on oath and has been humbled and brought low as he has had to look back at grave failures in his and the Church’s actions in the past. The Church in England Wales is bracing itself for what is going to be an excoriating report from IICSA which will most certainly not put Cardinal Nichols in a good light. There may even be a case for following up on actions by the Church and individuals in frustrating the course of justice. In Australia, Cardinal Pell has been found guilty by a secular court of abuse (although, from what I read, I suspect that this case is entwined with lots of other issues in Australia, including pay back time for Pell from those he oversaw during his time there, and I do wonder if this prosecution will stand ?), but even even this is another example of the state authorities taking responsibility for investigating and prosecuting these cases.

    So, let the Church and Pope Francis wallow in self-pitying victimhood and lick its own wounds. The rest of us see and have seen for a long time the arrogant denial and collusion in what has gone wrong. The Church is not only responsible for the culture that nurtured these abusers and this abuse, it has covered up in its own selfish interests, and has only been hauled screaming and shouting to a point where it has recognised the wrong, but even then it consoles itself with wallowing self-pity. Next we will have it presenting itself as the suffering Christ that has to endure !

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    1. Well said!

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      1. I wouldn’t be for sure about Pell. There is something odd about that case. I think commentators believe that it will be appealed, and he will be exonerated. The case is incredibly weak with huge factual errors. I’m surprised it was allowed to go through. I hold no candle for Pell, but justice does have to be justice, even for those who are accused. So, just wait and see what happens, and perhaps suspend final judgement about Pell until then….?

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    2. A brilliant post (apart from the Pell bit)!

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    3. 11:59

      Something odd about the Pell case? I should say something very odd indeed.

      HE SEXUALLY FIDDLED WITH LITTLE BOYS.

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  7. Only 145 Irish GPs and nine hospitals sign up to provide medical abortions. One of these nine hospitals is Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital, Drogheda. Murder and blasphemy rolled into one obscenity.

    The Archbishop of Armagh must instruct the hospital to change its name and stop calling itself Catholic.

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    1. F**k the archbitch of Armagh!

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      1. MC at 11:28am
        I protest Patsy at that troll MC language @1128am yesterday you said you would not allow any more abusive comments and yet you have published that disgraceful comment abot His Grace The Archbishop of Armagh, shame on you.
        Evviva Maria!

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    2. It’s perfectly entitled to provide these services under Irish Law. A hospital should not have a Catholic name anyhow in the first place. You need to accept the fact that this is now LAW and not church influence anymore. Those days have gone, get over it.

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      1. That’s the thanks the Church gets for providing hospitals when the Free State was too poor to provide its own. Imagine a hospital turning into a place of killing. Just because something is legal does not make it moral.

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    3. 3:30

      How dare you tell such a monstrous untruth! The ‘Church’ did not provide these hospitals: its ministers are financially dependent on the laity. So it was the laity (‘the Irish people’, in other words) who funded hospitals, not Roman Catholic bishops and priests.

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  8. Pope Francis’s exhortation for abusing clerics to present themselves to the civil authorities is commendable. I pray it will be heard loud and clear, though I see difficulties. This 4th Advent Sunday, as I celebrate mass I am lost for words to say by way of trying to reassure people of a new way within the Church. The crisis of the on going revelations of systemic abuse is disheartening and discouraging for all. So many lives have been blighted, probably forever, by abusers within the Church, so many have lost all trust in Church management, many have lost their faith. The betrayal of trust and the slowness by the Vatucan and Bishops to own the enormity of the crisis is appalling. It prolongs the hurt. It makes renewal almost impossible. Statements of intent need immediate implementation. I feel, like many priests, that our work or any good we have achieved is undone by these crises. Keeping faith is only possible for me because of prayer and a deep trust in God.

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    1. @10:04;
      Good post.
      Think of prayer and trust in God, as a life jacket to wear on ‘the barge’.
      You’ll be fine! You won’t sink! Others….

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    2. So what have you done about it, priest? Openly and publicly? Did you challege that lardbucket, Noel Treanor, on his use of parishoners’ money to spend lavishly on his home and grounds instead of using it to help the homeless.
      You hypocrite priest! Wringing your hands in self-pity, fishing for sympathy.
      Renewal is impossible because of Vatican criminality? And what about you, gutless priest? Had you taken some sort of lead, your useless ‘flock’ might have had reason to be proud of you. But you hid in the shadows, filled with self-pity.
      You useless…

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  9. @9:05; Good post.

    Magna, I just saw a post from last night saying, I’m you and your me! We’ve morphed!
    Ha..ha…ha…Isn’t that a hoot! 😁
    On a serious note,in my view, Pope Francis words are potentially very positive but now require action.
    I wonder if it’s a cue or a nod to Bishops conferences worldwide, to begin handing over undisclosed info to civil law authorities. I don’t expect a mighty rush on the local ‘cop shops’, wherever, but I wonder it’s a red flag to CSA perpetuators that the
    ‘game is up’, and a new policy to be initiated.
    A permenant line has to be drawn around this codology. This may be it.
    That would be in everyone’s interests.

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    1. Yes, I’ve experienced this kind of speculation about my identity before; it’s amusing.
      For people who can’t stomach me, they sure are preoccupied with me a lot.
      As for Pope Francis, I fear his words are more politically driven than anything else: good copy for the world’s press.
      I simply don’t trust a Roman Catholic cleric. They are where they are on these issues not through conscience, but public pressure. Theses guys have little or no conscience, not since the day they were ordained and forsook Christ in order to serve the institution.
      I know one thing: I wouldn’t permit a Roman Catholic priest to be around any child. Why? Once a conscience is forsworn, anything can happen: all boundaries are suppressed.

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      1. You don’t have any children, “Magna carta”. And I wouldn’t allow YOU near a child either.

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    2. 1:14

      Had the 10-year-old twins and their 15-year-old bro sleep over last night. In fact, I’ve just dropped them off at their mum’s.

      They love their Uncle C.

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  10. Hiho Good man Popeye. A formal acknowledgement in the face of those who pretend all is well in the city. What provision is being made to prevent the field growing more of these revolting weeds . What about timescales and a realistic action plan. Put the poo in the pan Fran hi

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    1. He won’t do anything of the kind, hi what. Because the oily Latino bastardo is not even remotely serious about dealing with this criminality.
      HIS ORGANISATION, HI, IS A CRIMINAL SYNDICATE.
      Since when have criminals been averse to crime?😕
      Hi

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      1. MC at 11:59am
        Patsy he’s at it again, has taken no notice of your warning. The language he uses about The Sovereign Pontiff is disgraceful.
        Evviva Maria!

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      2. Some of us do not believe in a sovereign pontiff !

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  11. Like Pell handed himself over to the police.

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    1. Patsy at 2:15pm
      Well you should but of course you’re an Apostate,so I’m not surprised, however that does not excuse the fact that the comment was not only disgraceful but RACIST! I don’t think the Authorities would approve if it was brought to their attention.
      Evviva Maria!

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      1. Go ahead and bring it to the attention of ‘the authorities’. You’ll make an absolute fool of yourself. ‘Latino’ is a legal and designated term for people from South America.

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      2. The last sovereign pontiff was Pius XII.

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  12. @11:17;
    MC;
    it’s curious, that both you and Bishop Buckley, in particular, are ranted against, in such vicious, nasty and unchristian terms, by some posters. Simultaneously, some of these posters use religious rhetoric. That’s odd. I wonder how genuine some of these jokers are re. religion/Christianity. Some, certainly do seem to be preoccupied with , both, you and Bishop Buckley!
    I share your concerns re. Pope Francis words being politically driven. That ‘game’ is wearing very thin, can only last so long, and will make matters worse,
    if not followed through.
    Time will tell.

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    1. KC, the ranting is indicative of the authoritarianism which still characterises institutional Roman Catholicism, but which is more subdued now because of the international disgrace this vile and criminal organisation has brought upon itself.
      You can tell by my words just what I think of it, and its priests; it is this which stirs that character and prompts its abusiveness.
      Make no mistake: were it not for the global exposure of this institution, that character would continue its full-scale concealment of child-sexual abuse by priests (in which, to some extent, it remains involved) and its protection and pampering of these criminal perverts.
      The root cause of the abuse criminality in this criminal syndicate is still intact.

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      1. @3:00pm

        MC,
        Can’t argue with most of what you say; only to add, I suspect some of the buckaroos, making such vicious remarks, are a collusive network(s), of clerical cowboys; (there’s cowboys in all walks of life!); up to no good, very threatened their nefarious activities might be exposed and keeping an eye on this blog, just in case….

        It might be an idea for some of the good priests we keep hearing about, who check in to the blog regularly and comment,
        to adopt a Rev. pseudonym, so we begin to recognize the wheat from the chaff, when it comes to posts from the clergy.

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    2. MC at 3:11pm
      It is not the word Latino its the adjectives you use with it that makes it racist, as well you know. I have no intention of informing anyone. I was just sayin’ like.
      Evivva Maria!

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  13. @11:48;
    Hi Fly, did you collect the turkey? Are you a fan of popeye and do you like spinach? Yucks!
    Fly, first weeds have to be uprooted. When it comes to timescales re plans, hi fly, how long is a piece of string? 🦟

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  14. I see that the Director of the Anglican Centre in Rome, some Rwandan archbishop newly appointed, has resigned because of sexual misconduct allegations. He would have been the A’b of Canterbury’s representative to the Vatican. Not sure what the allegations are, but if you are accused of pretty much anything nowadays, that’s it, you are out. I listened this morning to Toby Young who had been instrumental in setting up Free Schools in the UK, and then was appointed Higher Education Czar by the Government. He was talking about how in the space of a few short months, because of some Tweets he made some years ago about women, or gays, or some other sensitive group, he was dropped by pretty much everyone, and is now unemployed, probably unemployable, all because of accusations that in themselves are not illegal, but enough to ruin your life. For priests, a single allegation is enough. You are out. You are sidelined. And you probably don’t come back. Some certainly deserve that. For others….well, they are the collateral damage of the incredibly PC and snowflake age that is prone to take offense at pretty much anything. You upset someone, and because they are upset they take on the status of victim, and the accused takes on the status of pariah. Sad. Unjust. Lacking balance.

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    1. Whatever he said, the tweets must have been appalling. He should try to rehabilitate himself like Profumo did.

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  15. 3.52: Excellent. Fair, intelligent, non judgmental, balanced. Wish that the pseudos in here would follow similar intelligent commentary.

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  16. ATTACK AND ABUSE
    Why do readers need to attack and verbally abuse those who disagree with them?
    Can we not just have the arguments and avoid name calling?
    People can try and abuse me but on the end I have the delete button.
    Can I call for an end to abusiveness?
    Otherwise I will have to delete more.

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    1. MournemanMichael 23rd Dec 2018 — 7:30 pm

      MournemanMichael:
      And you certainly ought to be deleting more Pat.
      I first followed your blog about four years ago. Since then, the tone and quality of comments has greatly degenerated. Some feel a need to comment non stop on every topic, and many personally abuse commentators they disagree with in what then becomes childish ping pong point scoring, often with no relevance to the blog subject. It has become tedious and uninspiring. I’m growing weary of the blog, and in line with my comment a few weeks ago, only check it at weekends.
      You too Pat have demeaned the blog by childishly inappropriate “cartoons”, which further debase quality, and, in effect, seems to encourage further abusive comment.
      While I applaud your efforts to focus attention on the many faults and misbehaviours of RC church clerics, I believe that unfortunately many of your critics find it easy to criticise your efforts by focusing on abundant “chaff among the wheat” of your blogsite.

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      1. 7.30: Excellent comment MMM, but like your previous request A and that if others, this will fall on Pat’s deaf ears. The ironic thing is that while he is promising to delete abusive and derisory comments he is often the worst offender, the inappropriate cartoons being an example of bullying, intimidation and mockery of and towards others. I hope Pat will take this advice and respond properly.

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      2. The cartoons are important satire for the “rodents” as a priest friend calls them.

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      3. Well said, MMM

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    2. 6.15: YOU PAT FACILITATE ABUSIVE COMMENTARY. YOU ARE THE CHIEF INSTIGATOR. YOUR NAME CALLING AND BELITTLING OF BISHOPS, PRIESTS, POPE FRANCIS, RELIGIOUS….IS DISGUSTING AND MORALLY WRONG. YOU ARE SOME HYPOCRITE….ON THE EVE OF CHRISTMAS…LET CHRIST TOUCH YOUR OWN HEART. STOP MORALIZING AND LECTURING TO OTHERS.

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      1. Popes, bishops and priests deserve all the ridicule they deserve for their longstanding and global abuse and corruption.

        At this stage we must believe a bishoo or priest is a rascal until he proves he is not.

        Rascality is their norm.

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      2. @ 8:39
        Why have Bishops, Priests, Religious and Popes, not taken Christ’s imperative, not to harm children, seriously?

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      3. Because ALL OF US are their possessions and play things. Their God told them that.

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      4. 8:39

        And your obsequious defence of these, clerical facilitators/enablers is morally atrocious, since it presupposes their moral innocence.

        How dare you!

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    3. Patsy at 6:15

      That sounds fine Patsy, but you’re not impartial, you allow abuse from people with the same agenda as you and delete others who have contrary views. It is not exactly fair play, is it?
      Evviva Maria!

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    4. Bishop Pat, it is clear from some of these comments attacking your blog (among them serial gripers, their posts now predictable, repetitive, inane, and pompously boring) that they are trying to neuter your work. They want to make the blog respectable and, ultimately, ineffective. They neither understand satire, nor its importance in pricking bubbles of self-importance and grandiosity in the institutional Church.

      The fact that, from the usual quarters, you are drawing this criticism is a sure sign that your blog is a thorn in precisely the right sides.

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      1. MournemanMichael 24th Dec 2018 — 10:14 am

        MournemanMichael:
        Magna, yes there are those who wish to marginalise Pat’s revelations by, as you suggest, posting criticisms on this blog. We do not know how many they may be. You do use the word “some” in referring to them, so perhaps you do accept that there are those of us who genuinely support Pat and his efforts, but are concerned at the nature of the blog as it has now become.
        I believe we, and Pat’s contributor’s, can be caustic without resorting to coarseness, and be equally effective in calling out wrongdoing, either institutional or individual..
        Another aspect of the blog which is most offputting is your own incessant commenting on virtually every subject, and on others comments, often in a very hostile and demeaning manner. I certainly have respect for your knowledge on many subjects, and have valued many of your insightful comments. But I think it has almost got to the point where some may be reluctant to comment in the belief that it may only provoke a hostile retort from yourself.
        Perhaps restraint is not your natural instinct. However by lessening your former torrents of abuse you’ve shown you can exercise more control. So may I ask you, politely, to not jump in at each and every opportunity and give others a chance to contribute without feeling they will be ridiculed.
        MMM

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    5. MMM @ 10:14
      I am ordinarily respectful to those who reciprocrate.
      Why you should object so strongly to my multi-commenting (you exaggerate when you describe it as ‘incessant’) is a genuine puzzle. Despite the reason you stated for this, I strongly suspect that there is more to it, but that you won’t disclose this, because it would appear trivial and petty.
      If I have something to say on a subject (any subject), then I shall continue to comment. It is ludicrous in the extreme to suggest that commentors be restricted to two posts per day. Do you want to destoy the blog altogether?

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  17. Can anyone enlighten us, as
    to why the Church has not taken seriously, the gospel imperative, not to harm children?

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    1. It did not take seriously either Jesus’ command to love others, including enemies, as if they were oneself. For centuries (in fact, until this very year), it morally approved the death penalty.

      If the institutional Church traditionally had no consistent practical regard for its staple preaching on the sacredness of every human life, then abusing a child or thousands would be very small beer to it. This was actually the case since its ministers thought more of the abusing priest-perverts and its cherished (but undeserved) reputation than it did the safety of small children.

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      1. @10:20;
        Thanks MC.
        I wasn’t expecting a reply!

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  18. 8 42: Pat, you should look to your own moral and spuritual deficiencies. They are many. Take legitimate criticism on the chin and be a man and stop behaving like a queenie little bitch. Grow up.

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    1. What are YOUR moral and spiritual deficuencies?

      Tell us. Promise we won’t tell.😆

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  19. 8.42: What sort of goofy, brainless twit are you? Your responses are those of a schoolyard bully. And boy, aren’t you some bully in your blog. Check your own soul.

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  20. 8.46: Your priest friend Pat must be quite a nasty little rodent – like you – to ascribe such a vulgar phrase to priests. Your own words are often vile, ugly and represent an unattractive aesthetic within and without…..

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    1. Why is it ‘vulgar’ to call certain priests rodents? Do you object, too, to their being called either ‘child abusers’ or ‘child-abuse facilitators’ when, actually, this is the case? (You’re not comfortable with these truths, are you, and would, like your priest-buddies, rather they were all covered up?)

      I should have thought that calling these contemptibles ‘rodents’ was unjustifiably tame. 😆

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  21. 8.51: Pat, are you drinking poisonous wine – your comments are unnecesssrily bitchy and crass – even though being bitchy and crass come easy to you.

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    1. You’re a very silly little bugger, aren’t you?

      Why not try more grown-up posts?😆

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      1. 11.32: Grown up posts? Magna, lead us by your example. Now that will pose a huge challenge for you particularly since you haven’t moved beyond your infantile, juvenile existence.

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  22. Lads, calm down…it’s the season to be jolly!
    Will the poster at 8:39 answer my question, and Bishop Pat @ 8:51, are you being cynical or does your comment merit elebaration?
    So much in scripture and outside scripture, in tradition, has been taken seriously.
    Why not , ‘not to harm the little ones’?

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  23. Pat, I believe you should take MMM’s comment at 7.30 seriously. You should exercise some restraint in your own commentary. You actually demean your own blog by allowing bullying and intimidatory commentators flourish, often through your encouragement. While your criticisms may be valid and elicit intelligent dialogue, the blog gets bogged down in silly, infantile behaviour, unworthy of a blog that could be a true forum for necessary conversations. Time to separate the chaff from the wheat!

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  24. Ping pong, ping pong pong. MMM is right, Pat. STOP the abusers on this blog – those who are spiritually and emotionally abusing others by their foul, descriptive language. May I also suggest you read 2 articles in today’s Sunday Independent, one by Emily Hourican, the other by Bishop Tom Deenihan (the one you like to hate): they are very thought-provoking and reflective articles. Just reflect on their relevance and truth.

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  25. Big Mick Lomansey could be genuinely described as a “rascal”, Bp Pat, a muscle daddy repeatedly lead astray and used by countless Maynooth seminarians at their plaything.

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