LONG HISTORY OF THE RAPE OF NUNS IN INDIA BY BISHOPS AND PRIESTS.

Nuns in India tell AP of enduring abuse in Catholic church
By TIM SULLIVAN Associated Press

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KURAVILANGAD, India (AP) — The stories spill out in the sitting rooms of Catholic convents, where portraits of Jesus keep watch and fans spin quietly overhead. They spill out in church meeting halls bathed in fluorescent lights, and over cups of cheap instant coffee in convent kitchens. Always, the stories come haltingly, quietly. Sometimes, the nuns speak at little more than a whisper.
Across India, the nuns talk of priests who pushed into their bedrooms and of priests who pressured them to turn close friendships into sex. They talk about being groped and kissed, of hands pressed against them by men they were raised to believe were representatives of Jesus Christ.
“He was drunk,” said one nun, beginning her story. “You don’t know how to say no,” said another.
At its most grim, the nuns speak of repeated rapes, and of a Catholic hierarchy that did little to protect them.
The Vatican has long been aware of nuns sexually abused by priests and bishops in Asia, Europe, South America and Africa, but it has done very little to stop it, The Associated Press reported last year.
Now, the AP has investigated the situation in a single country — India — and uncovered a decades-long history of nuns enduring sexual abuse from within the church. Nuns described in detail the sexual pressure they endured from priests, and nearly two dozen other people — nuns, former nuns and priests, and others — said they had direct knowledge of such incidents.
Still, the scale of the problem in India remains unclear, cloaked by a powerful culture of silence. Many nuns believe abuse is commonplace, insisting most sisters can at least tell of fending off a priest’s sexual advances. Some believe it is rare. Almost none, though, talk about it readily, and most speak only on the condition they not be identified.
But this summer, one Indian nun forced the issue into the open.
When repeated complaints to church officials brought no response, the 44-year-old nun filed a police complaint against the bishop who oversees her religious order, accusing him of raping her 13 times over two years. Soon after, a group of her fellow nuns launched a two-week public protest in India’s Catholic heartland, demanding the bishop’s arrest.
It was an unprecedented action, dividing India’s Catholic community. Inside the accuser’s convent in rural Kerala state, she and the nuns who support her are now pariahs, isolated from the other sisters, many of whom insist the bishop is innocent. The protesting nuns get hate mail and avoid going out.
“Some people are accusing us of working against the church, of being against the church. They say, ‘You are worshipping Satan,’” said one supporter, Sister Josephine Villoonnickal. “But we need to stand up for the truth.”
Villoonnickal has been a nun for 23 years, joining when she was a teenager. She scoffs at the idea that she wants to harm the church.
“We want to die as sisters,” she said.

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Some nuns’ accounts date back decades — like that of the sister, barely out of her teens, who was teaching in a Catholic school in the early 1990s.
It was exhausting work, and she was looking forward to the chance to reflect on what had led her — happily — to convent life.
“We have kind of a retreat before we renew our vows,” she said, sitting in the painfully neat sitting room of her big-city convent, where doilies cover most every surface, chairs are lined up in rows and the blare of horns drifts in through open windows. “We take one week off and we go for prayers and silence.”
She had traveled to a New Delhi retreat center, a collection of concrete buildings where she gathered with other young nuns. A priest was there to lead the sisters in reflection.
The nun, who like others interviewed for this story spoke on condition she not be identified, is a strong and forceful woman who has spent years working with India’s poor and dispossessed, from battered wives to evicted families.
But when she talks about the retreat her voice grows quiet, as if she’s afraid to be overheard in the empty room: “I felt this person, maybe he had some thoughts, some attraction.”
He was in his 60s. She was four decades younger.
One night, the priest went to a neighborhood party. He came back late, after 9:30 p.m., and knocked at her room.
″‘I need to meet you,’” he said when she cracked open the door, insisting he wanted to discuss her spiritual life. She could smell the alcohol.
“You’re not stable. I’m not ready to meet you,” she told him.
But the priest forced open the door. He tried to kiss her. He grabbed at her body, groping wherever he could.
Weeping, she pushed him back enough to slam the door and lock it.
It wasn’t rape. She knows it could have been so much worse. But decades later she still reels at the memory, and this tough woman, for a few moments, looks like a scared young girl: “It was such a terrifying experience.”
Afterward she quietly told her mother superior, who allowed her to avoid other meetings with the priest. She also wrote an anonymous letter to church officials, which she thinks may have led to the priest being re-assigned.
But nothing was said aloud. There were no public reprimands, no warnings to the many nuns the priest would work with through his long career.
She was too afraid to challenge him openly.
“I couldn’t imagine taking that stand. It was too scary,” she said. “For me it was risking my own vocation.”
So the fierce nun remained silent.
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Catholic history is filled with women who became martyrs to their own purity: Saint Agatha had her breasts torn off for refusing to marry; Saint Lucy was burned alive and stabbed in the throat for defending her virginity; Saint Maria Goretti was 11 years old when she was killed by a man who tried to rape her.
“It is a sin!” Maria is said to have cried out. “God does not want it!”
But for a nun, fighting off a priest’s advances means pinballing through centuries-old sexual and clerical traditions. Celibacy is a cornerstone of Catholic religious life, as is sexual purity among nuns. Many nuns say a sister who admits to a sexual experience — even if it’s forced — faces the risk of isolation within her order, and possibly even expulsion.
“You’re not sure if you’ll be kept in your congregation, because so much is about your vow of chastity,” said Sister Shalini Mulackal, a New Delhi-based theologian. “That fear is there for the young ones to disclose what has happened to them.”
At the same time, priests are seen as living representatives of Christ, with obedience to them another Catholic cornerstone.
Then there is the isolation of young women struggling to find their way in new communities after leaving their homes.
Caught at this intersection of sexual taboo, Catholic hierarchy and loneliness, sisters can be left at the mercy of predatory priests.

“There’s a lot of emotion bottled up and when a little tenderness is shown by somebody it can be so easy for you to cross boundaries,” said Sister Dorothy Fernandes, who has spent years working with the urban poor in eastern India. “It can be hard to tell what is love and what is exploitation.”
It’s particularly hard for sisters from Kerala, a deeply conservative region long the birthplace of most Indian nuns. Sex is rarely mentioned openly in small-town Kerala, boys and girls are largely kept apart, and a visible bra strap can be a minor crisis for a young woman.
“Once you grow up, once you get your first menstruation, you are not encouraged to speak normally to a boy. And the boys also vice-versa,” said a nun from Kerala, a cheerful woman with sparkly glass earrings and an easy smile. She remembers the misery of Sunday mass as an adolescent, when boys would stand outside the church to watch girls filing in, eyes crawling over their young figures. “We have a terrible taboo about sex.”
That naivety, she said, can be costly.
Like the time she was a novice nun, still in her teens, and an older priest came to the Catholic center where she worked. He was from Goa, a coastal region and former Portuguese colony.
She shook her head: “I was in charge of visitors, and we had this bad habit of being hospitable.”
At one point, she brought the priest’s laundry to his small room, where he was sitting. As she set down the clothes, he grabbed her and began to kiss her.
At first, she had no idea what was happening.
“The kissing was all coming here,” she said, gesturing at her chest.
The confusion of that day is still clear on her face: “I was young. He was from Goa. I am from Kerala. In my mind I was trying to figure out: ‘Is this the way that Goans kiss?’”
She quickly understood what was happening but couldn’t escape his fierce grip. She also could not call out for help: “I cannot shout! He’s a priest.”
“I didn’t want to offend him. I didn’t want to make him feel bad,” she said.
So she pushed herself away from him until she could slip out the door.
She quietly told a senior nun to not send novices to the priest’s room. But, like the nun who fought the drunken priest, she made no official complaint.
A complaint against a priest means leveling an accusation against someone higher in the church hierarchy. It can mean getting pulled into a tangle of malicious rumors and church politics. It means risking your reputation, and the reputation of your order.
In the church, even some of those who doubt there is widespread abuse of nuns say the silence can be enveloping.
Archbishop Kuriakose Bharanikulangara, a New Delhi-based church leader, calls incidents of abuse “kind of sporadic. Once here, once there.”
But “many people don’t want to talk,” he continued. “They may talk in the community, but they don’t want to bring it to the public, to the court.”
Speaking up can also risk financial troubles, since many congregations of nuns are financially subservient to priests and bishops.
The silence is magnified in India by demographics, religious politics and a deep-seated belief that women have little value.
There are roughly 18 million Catholics in India, but that’s a small minority in this largely Hindu nation of 1.3 billion. Speaking up could tarnish the image of their church, many nuns worry, and feed criticism by Hindu hardliners.
“Even we, as religious sisters, even we try to keep it quiet,” said Mulackal, the theologian. “A woman who goes through this experience, she just wants to hide it and pretend everything is OK.”
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The rapes, the nun says, happened in Room 20 of a small convent at the end of a one-lane road in rural Kerala.
Set amid rows of banana and rubber trees near the little town of Kuravilangad, the sisters at the St. Francis Mission Home spend their days in prayer or caring for the aged. In the garden, a statue of the Virgin Mary overlooks a decorative fish pond the size of a child’s wading pool. The pond is covered in green scum.
The rapist, she says, was the most powerful man in this tiny small world: Bishop Franco Mulakkal.

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Smart and ambitious, Mulakkal had risen from small-town Kerala to become a bishop in north India, overseeing a sprawling Catholic community. He was also the official patron of her community of 81 sisters, the Missionaries of Jesus, wielding immense influence over its budgets and job assignments.
The nun is a friendly woman with jet black hair known for her quiet confidence. Every few months, she says, Mulakkal would visit the St. Francis convent and summon her. Then, according to a letter she wrote to church officials, he raped her.
The letter says the first rape happened on May 5, 2014. The last time was Sept. 23, 2016. The dates are recorded in the convent’s visitor logs.
Mulakkal angrily denies the accusations, telling reporters the charges were “baseless and concocted” and accusing the sister of trying to blackmail him into giving her a better job.
“I am going through painful agony,” said Mulakkal, who was jailed for three weeks and released on bail in October. “I tell everyone to pray to God: Let the truth prevail.”
Catholicism envelopes this part of Kerala. Towns are marked by their cathedrals, convents and roadside shrines, where the Virgin watches passing traffic or St. George slays the dragon. Businesses proclaim their owners’ faith: St. Mary’s Furniture and Bed Center; Ave Maria Electronics; Jesus Oil Industries.
Around here, many see Mulakkal as a martyr.
A string of supporters visited him in jail, and crowds greeted him when he returned home, a ring of policemen holding back people who showered him with flower petals. “Hearty Welcome!” a banner proclaimed.
But at the St. Francis convent, one group of nuns watched news reports about that welcome with dismay. While the sister leveling the accusations against Mulakkal does not speak publicly, a half-dozen nuns cluster around her, offering support and speaking on her behalf.
“Nobody came to see sister, but so many people came to wait in line to meet Bishop Franco in jail,” said Villoonnickal, the nun, who moved back to Kerala to support the woman she calls “our survivor sister.”
That sister was the second of five children in a Kerala family. Her father was in the army. Her mother died when she was in high school. Wracked with grief, she was sent to stay with a cousin – a priest – living in north India. Inspired by her time with him, she became a nun in 1994, working in her early years as a teacher.
She knew Mulakkal, of course. Everyone in the Missionaries of Jesus knows him. But the two were never close, the accuser’s friends say, and had no consensual sexual relationship.
It was about fear.
“The bishop is such a powerful person and standing against him, where will she go?” asked Villoonnickal. “If she went home what will happen to her?”
“Many times she was telling him to stop. But each time he was forcing himself on her,” she continued.
Eventually, they say, she told some sisters what was happening. Then she says she repeatedly complained to church authorities. When nothing happened, she went to the police.
She also went to confession.
There, according to the other nuns, she was told she had to resist the bishop.
″‘Even if you have to die, don’t submit yourself.’” the priest told her in confession, according to Villoonnickal. ”‘Be courageous.’”
Catholic authorities have said little about the case, with India’s Catholic Bishops’ Conference saying in an October statement that it has no jurisdiction over individual bishops, and that the investigation and court case, which could take many years, must run their course.
“Silence should in no way be construed as siding with either of the two parties,” the group said. “We request prayers for the Church at this difficult time.”
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In Malayalam, the language of Kerala, sisters who leave the convent are sometimes marked as “Madhilu Chadi” — Wall Jumpers. It’s a mocking term for the sexually frustrated and is often used for nuns and priests who have fled religious life.
Those who stay get respect. They have communities that embrace them. Their lives have direction, purpose. Those who leave often find themselves adrift in India, searching for new identities and spurned by families and friends. The events that knit families together — weddings, funerals, reunions — are suddenly off-limits. The emotional toll can be immense
Speaking up about the church’s troubles, many nuns say, could end with them forced from their convents, cut off in many ways from what they’ve always known.
“It’s a fear of being isolated if I speak the truth,” said the nun who fought off the drunken priest. “If you do that, you have to go against your own community, your own religious superiors.”
The result is an engulfing silence. Silence is the armor that sisters use to protect themselves and the lives they have created, even if it also means struggling with their memories, and protecting the men who abused them.
In the end, most say nothing.
“I didn’t tell anybody,” said the nun who escaped the priest kissing her chest, and who waited many years to talk about what had happened to her. “So you understand how these things are covered up.”

PAT SAYS:

Here is another appalling scandal in the RC Church – the longstanding rape of nuns – especially in missionary countries – by bishops and priests.

These rapes were all crimes.

The bishops and priests who did the raping were and are criminals.

And all these rapes – perhaps at this stage – hundreds of thousands – were all covered by the hierarchies in these countries and by the Vatican.

This week the Vatican gave its permission for women to have hysterectomies in very particular cases.

Who does the Vatican think it is – to tell all women everywhere that they, the RC Church have control over every aspect of their bodies.

Thankfully most women don’t listen to them any more.

The RC Church consists of some 1.3 billion people who are at least nominally Catholic.

This institution must be the most criminal institution in history.

We can only begin to imagine how many crimes – murder, rape, robbery etc that members of this institution have committed in the past 1700 years.

If we are not going to ban this institution from our nations – we must at least appoint independent law enforcement bodies to monitor their every action.

56 thoughts on “LONG HISTORY OF THE RAPE OF NUNS IN INDIA BY BISHOPS AND PRIESTS.

  1. I doubt any of this is new. The Maciel case demonstrates a long history, and the only difference between now and some mythical past is that people are talking about it, so the flood gates are opening all over the world. Another bishop in Argentina has just been outed for the usual. Meanwhile an old reptile in the Vatican, Cardinal Walter Brandmüller, has opined that it’s all anti-Catholic propaganda cooked up by the gay lobby! It’s killing the way Catholic clergy talk about “the gays” as if they had never met one! Far more seriously, he blows the gaff by claiming that if we didn’t bang on so much about homosexuality we wouldn’t be now be exercising ourselves over the incidence of clerical abuse. In other words, if you don’t talk about it, it doesn’t exist. It’s a nice metaphysical point which HE Desmond Connell could have clarified for us along with mental reservation – not to be confused with LYING!

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    1. Nighty-night, baby, I love you 5th Jan 2019 — 3:14 pm

      I wonder where Cardinal Brandmüller got his ideas about gays in high places? He must have spent too much time in the company of Cardinals McCarrick, Wuerl, Cocopalmerio, Danneels and Tobin.

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  2. The violent rape of women in India by men and particularly groups of men has been an ongoing issue there for a long time. I am sure the Clergy have been just as guilty at such an evil and barbaric crime. Perhaps it highlights the problem of abuse by clergy elsewhere in mission territories that remains a ticking time bomb still to be revealed. There used to be a joke about little black babies running around with ginger hair but you do wonder if this was actually a fact and not a joke. It’s horrible to contemplate but is this the next huge scandal to rock the Church? How many retired religious who have returned from the missions and, who now live in luxury in religious houses in Ireland and elsewhere, have children now left behind in foreign lands?

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    1. Good post, Otto. But ALL rape, by definition, is violent.

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      1. MC, I said the rape cases in India were violent and I did not suggest that all other rapes were less violent. I use violent when I talk of all rapes so please don’t misconstrue what I have said or attempt to put words in my mouth.

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      2. The jokes about apparently black people with Caucasian features are also true. Any group of people who have either been colonised by whites or owned by slaves will show European DNA when tested. The converse is also the case, when Afrikaners are tested they have traces of black DNA.

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    2. Otto @ 10:51

      You’re a touchy bugger, ain’t ya?😭

      Otto, me old apple strudel, qualifying the word ‘rape’ with the word ‘violent’ suggests, in your mind at least, that there are such things as non-violent rapes, which is neither semantically correct, nor pc.

      The act of rape is itself an act of violence against a person, so there is no need to qualify the word, but (crikey!) every need to avoid doing so. 😆

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      1. “Touchy bugger”?? That’s rich coming from you Fr Carta! 😂

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      2. Magna Carta @ 3.59pm Let’s get one thing clear you obnoxious person – I am not your apple strudel. Are you normally so arrogant? Your parents didn’t teach you neither respect or manners as is evident from your nastiness. I do not need to explain my original post to you yet again as it’s obvious you delighted in totally twisting what I said. You clearly enjoyed doing so which makes one wonder what a sick and twisted mind you must possess. I’ve only discovered this blog and if they tolerate this sort of behaviour here then more fool them.

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    3. Otto, mein leibling, you had better develop a thick skin…and fast!😅
      😆

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      1. Magna Carta you make the foolish assumption that I am German. This shows the level of your stupidity and education (lack there off). Your childish stereotype which borders on racist tells is more about you. It’s disturbing that a blog such as this allows such racist stereotyping and xenophobia. Perhaps that tells us more about this blog and it’s author who clearly allows it. Perhaps you need to develop a personality with manners to go with it and fast. I pity you.

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    4. Otto @ 7:51

      Now wasn’t I the stupid and uneducated one for assuming that you were German? How could I have made such a moronic inference from your use of the Germanic masculine personal noun, Otto?

      And you pity me, Otto? Oh, don’t be polite, mein herr. Pity isn’t what you feel. Is it?😆

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      1. Why does Pat allow this Magna moron to continually abuse and antagonize people on the blog. This guy is a new contributor and all Magna can do is pick a fight with him for no reason. Is it any wonder nobody wants to bother with the blog. Pat you need to get a serious grip.

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  3. I’ve no doubt that abuse by missionaries was rife – both of children and of women. In those cultures at that time, the white missionary was all powerful and unaccountable and could get away with pretty much whatever they wanted to get away with. In fact, I know of cases where perpetrators are now back in their home countries living out their retirement comfortably. I suspect that missionary sisters were also subjected to abuse by predatory male missionaries.

    Bad as the above may be, it probably pales in to insignificance when compared to the abusive behaviour of indigenous clergy who took over the leadership of the Church in these countries, and where the priesthood was seen as a rapid means of advancement to education, status and power. They learned their trade and their ways from their white missionary masters, and have perfected it, so that the Church in many African and Asian countries is rife with abuse and corruption. It is only a matter of time until all this comes tumbling out, as people who are the subjects of abuse in these countries gain the confidence and have the channels to speak out. At present, much of what happens is covered up by deference and by corruption. But that dam will break and then there will be a tsunami that will put what has happened in the western Church, bad as it is, in to the shade. All the old tricks will emerge, bishops dissembling, lying, covering up, forgetting, being economical with the truth, having mental reservations…… ! What will the Pope do then ?

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    1. He’ll find someone else to try to pin the blame on.

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    2. I very much think you are right at 10:29. Also I am skeptical about the motivations of the reverse flow of clergy from former “mission” countries. There was a report last year about the drain of priests from Africa to France. After a few years of further study – usually a cushy cop-out from a parish for any priest as we well know – many stick two fingers up to their bishop and stay where they are, rather than go back to share their charism and wisdom with the poor suckers who paid their expenses. In rural Somerset several parishioners have stopped paying their parish dues owing to the high-handed methods of the recently appointed PP from Africa whose petrol expenses for one have exploded exponentially – we’re talking thousands here so don’t tell me he’s constantly on the road visiting the poor, sick and lonely, because he isn’t! He refuses to discuss it with the PCC and, unlike the last relatively harmless ( though equally useless ) old buffer, insists on being addressed as Father. Where is the dignity of the human person when I for example am required to address another man as Father? As usual, expressing concerns to the useless Bishop ( of Clifton ) get you nowhere. Moral of all this: (1) it’s the same the world over and (2) don’t give the bastards a penny!

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      1. @1.03pm I totally agree with what you’ve expressed about priests from Africa who are now running English parishes. In our own experience in my diocese the same thing has happened. African priests show a total arrogance not just to the lay faithful but to fellow clergy. Food expenses, petrol allowances and telephone costs are astronomical. When questioned many play the racist card and plainly refuse to give any accountability. One newly appointed PP from Nigeria was found to be selling 2nd hand cars from the church car park. These were men inspired and educated by white missionary priests who showed them a clericalism they now themselves have adopted and they know no different. Call me Father only and what I say goes and no accountability – does any of that sound familiar?

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      2. A Tablet-reading racist. 🚫
        What a combo! 💩

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      3. I shall never understand why Roman Catholics insist on the need of priests, and their expenses, when Christ is the only so-called ‘priest’ (and Jesus, according to the gospels, NEVER even alluded to himself as priest).
        These others are charlatans: liars, sexual perverts, extortionists, murderers, sponging, like parasites, off the poor.
        Away with the lot of them!😠😠
        Jesus is free, and so, too, is his gift of redemption. These others, black or white, will make you pay through the nose for something that is not theirs even to give, let alone sell.😠😠😠😠

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  4. Very good post Otto @10.09, like you, I fear this will be the next big scandal. I also fear the Irish missionary societies will be up to their necks in it. I’ve heard some strange stories about the SMA’s which I thought to be a bit dubious at the time but now I wonder if they were true stories.

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    1. I think + Vinny in Westminster is a bit reluctant about having priests from Africa having authority in parishes. He knows that they will probably sell the title deeds of the church property from under his nose, if they get the chance ! My experience of them is that they are by and large rogues out to enrich themselves and their families.

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      1. Rubbish – there are a few parishes in Westminster with African parish priests. Sounds like you’re a bit of a racist.

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      2. Vinny has plenty of Africans running parishes.

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  5. What happened to the aftereffects….the babies…the pregnant nuns? ?

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  6. The revelations about sexual abuse of religious women in India should not be a surprise as we read about the violent, brutal rape and abuse of women in Indian society on a daily basis. That priests are perpetrators is morally reprehensible. In African countries being a cleric is a way of receiving a great education, work opportunities and status within poorer communities. The approach to work, achieving success through education, power and status brought by white missionaries, while benefiting thousands also has its downside. We cannot of course condemn all missionary work as without their efforts, finances, dedication and energy, many schools, hospitals and social, community and church associations and outreach would not exist. There are stories of heroic missionaries which are well recorded and many women religious have received the highest recognition by some African and South American countries, the Philippines and India for their rreolutionary work in medicine, community work and education. Sadly, much of this great work may now be tainted by the tsunami of revelations of abuse and rape still to unfold.

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  7. What about Kincora? Or “bishop” Peter Ball? Or the soupers? Or the Mission to Achill? Why does Protestant abuse get ignored by this blog even though the blog owner and most of those who comment are lower case protestants in their theological outlook and attitude towards the Church?

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    1. Er, this is a blog about Catholicism.😕

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      1. Well Bishop Pat said the other day that all views are welcome on the blog MC, Catholic or otherwise. It’s just a great pity we have to listen to your shite all the time – so that’s my view.

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      2. The blog is a lot about Catholicism but comments about all matters are most welcome

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  8. I bet they don’t have St. Mary’s Furniture and Bed Center, Ave Maria Electronics or Jesus Oil Industries in loyal Larne.

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    1. No. But you have just given me some ideas 😁

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      1. Go on Dragon’s Den.

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  9. Re a comment yesterday about the “Dean” Kennedy:
    Kennedy didn’t “piss off” Vinny and he wasn’t “disinvited” from Westminster.
    The self-styled “Dean” was removed from Westminster by his Bishop, Noel Treanor, on account of allegations of sexual assault made against him by a young man.
    The matter is under police investigation and is certainly no laughing matter.
    Kennedy is not allowed to minister whilst investigations continue so he has no option but to hang out in Portstewart and haunt the hostelries.
    Thank God his ambitions weren’t realised and he wasn’t made a bishop. It could have happened. They have made equally idiotic men bishops with disastrous consequences.
    The big dope is his own worst enemy and always was. He lost the run of himself a long time ago.
    Let’s hope that other climber Timo doesn’t have his power dreams come true either.

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  10. Francis Ferry. 5th Jan 2019 — 5:44 pm

    God bless all who struggle with giving the gift of celibacy.

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    1. GIVING the gift of celibacy?😕

      Have to concede: for all my brilliance, wit, and repartee, I’m struggling with this one.

      How does a person ‘give’ celibacy? And how is he ‘struggling’ with it? More to the point, why?

      And celibacy as gift? What? To arrest a person’s natural, and healthy, inclination to physical and emotional intimacy should, by that impoverished person (on so many darned levels) be considered a gift?

      C’mon. Help me here! I’m genuinely struggling to make sense of the patently absurd.😆

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    2. Yes, and God bless all those who suffer through the lies of those, who struggle with celibacy and then lie through canonical enquiries when questioned.

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    3. I don’t know who you are but you are not Francis Ferry.

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      1. @10.55
        In this world more than one person can have the same name.

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  11. The sexual abuse scandals in the Church merit much scrutiny, analysis and condemnation. But…..the comments by some, clerics especially reveal another level of caca…..priestly bitchiness at its worst. When some clerics fail in their ambitions they become like a woman fiercely scorned! Unbearably bitchy and butcher…Where does that leave Magna, the hate enticer?

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    1. Magna is a beacon of love, light (knowledge), gentle correction, and hope.😆

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      1. … sometimes 😐

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      2. 6.58: Never Magna. Impossible. You have to be a human being first……

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    2. 7:29
      ‘Sometimes’?
      Hmm?
      Erm?
      Ok. You’re right! 😆

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  12. On the subject of the types of subjects and views aired on this blog, +Pat is that rare bird, a liberal liberal.

    By that I mean that even though his own views are very liberal, he allows all shades of opinion to be expressed. That excellent policy is rarely found in most liberal or conservative blogs or on social media, which are echo chambers mostly.

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  13. Civil authorities everywhere need to investigate this criminal institution . Treanor removed Kennedy? Pity he wasn’t removed for spending the faithful’s money on his own luxury lifestyle. When interviewed he apparently said that he “was doing it for the next man”. Aye right and that’s because the next shepherd needs over 4 acres? What for? Is he planning on keeping a herd of sheep in Lisbreen or a herd of goats or cattle. Wanton waste of the poor’s money to live like an overseer of slaves. Some shepherd he is. Two retired bishops in Down and Connor living in luxury. Several priests living in big houses, including the warbling priest and Dallat ( might come in handy for his mistresses). This church is such a friggin joke. All they do is ask for more money. Wonder how much they’ve paid out in hush money to priest and bishops lovers to shut them up. Feck it. I’m going into a seminary with one caveat – I’m wearing a chastity belt-and getting my “qualifications”. Guaranteed income for life, private health care and ya don’t even have to really give a damn about Christianity. Maybe I could even get Lisbreen one day ( hold on to it Noel. Upgrade it even more just in case I get it. Get that grass cut and the windys cleaned. Never mind about the poor struggling. Screw them for every penny and make sure there’s only the best of wine in the cellar. None of that oul cheap shite from ASDA or TESCO. Any chance you could get an indoor swimming pool so that no one can see me when I get there. If anyone asks tell them it’s just a big bath😉. And if I ever make it to Rome then the sky is yer oyster. I’ll make you head of finance since u r so good at screwing with people’s money). Now how to I get into the seminary ducky?

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    1. Now THAT’S what I call a truthful, intelligent, and heart-on-the-sleeve post.👍

      😆

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    2. @9:31pm – you’re an awful bloody eejit. 😂

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    3. 9.31: Banality, stupidity, begrudgery and inanity at their ugliest. Are you a disgruntled cleric or a psycho?

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      1. MournemanMichael 5th Jan 2019 — 11:12 pm

        It seems that Anons @9.52 & 10.34 have no understanding of the reality that what 9.31 comments, albeit tongue in cheek and sarcastically, is the very common perception becoming increasingly prevalent.
        They’ll understand more as the financial well of the faithfull’s naivity increasingly diminishes.
        MMM

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  14. My sources in Rome say that McCarrick’s Vatican trial will start next week.

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    1. ‘Trial’?
      A-hah, hah, hah 😅

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      1. Magna continues his scoffing abuse.

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    2. Lifesite isn’t my regular reading but this story was linked from another site and leads me to wonder if you’ve heard this news 9:31pm? https://www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/news/stunner-vatican-said-to-have-deemed-mccarrick-sex-acts-with-16-year-old-alt?fbclid=IwAR1te4YNoi9K4aQsTbC5JJOegDubmFoD6pp2iF40aKa_3Pf5lv7BAVsr_84

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  15. In the typo-ridden and ungrammatical “about me” section of his website Brendan Marshall makes no mention of having been a sem, though he bigs up his homiletics classes and articles for the sem magazine lol.
    https://imbrendanmarshall.com/about/

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  16. 10:34. How dare you. I’m a future bishop of Down and connor

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    1. My Lord! 😆

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