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IRISH PRIEST REFUSES HOLY COMMUNION TO POLITICIAN WHO VOTED TO LEGALISE ABORTION.

Priest refuses Holy Communion to Irish politician who voted to legalize abortion
IrishCentral Staff
@IrishCentral
Jan 27, 2019

A Catholic parish priest denied Holy Communion to Robert Troy, a Fianna Fáil member of the Irish parliament, at a recent funeral mass. Troy is the opposition spokesman on Transport and Tourism and one of Ireland’s rising young political stars.

fianna-fail-publishes-investing-in-tomorrow-630x443ROBERT TROY TD

The stated reason was that Troy voted to legalize abortion services in Ireland. Fr John Hogan, parish priest of Multyfarnham in Co Westmeath, denied the host to Troy during a requiem mass at St Nicholas’s parish church.
The priest had tweeted on December 1: “Looking over list of TDs who voted to reject amendments to the wicked abortion bill, I see the name of one who, only a few years ago, stood in my house & swore he was pro-life. The desire for power & popularity lead so many to do the most horrendous things. A salutary lesson.”
Troy, 37 and a former banker who had been regarded as “anti-choice,” revealed last month in an interview with Ireland’s Hot Press magazine why he voted yes.
“By voting no, would it prevent one termination?
“And I then said, ‘No, because what it does is, it victimises women and it forces them to go abroad.’ While I had concerns about the 12-week nature, I ultimately came down with the decision to vote yes.”
The Irish edition of the London Sunday Times Source says Thomas Deenihan, the bishop of Meath, which includes Hogan’s diocese has spoken to Father Hogan but refused to discuss what was said.

Hogan had been in controversy previously when he spoke out against civil partnership for gays, alleging Catholic politicians who supported it could not remain “in good standing with the church.”
The Times reports that “Hogan is also the director of the Fraternity of St Genesius, a Catholic association which says its members support ‘the men and women of the theatrical and cinematic arts through their daily prayers and sacrifices.’ A book he wrote, entitled Devotions to St Thomas Becket, was published last month.”
He is also very supportive of US efforts to ban abortion.
On January 18, he tweeted: “Every good wish & blessing to all my friends Stateside who are participating in the March for Life. Your continued witness is making a difference in the US: keep it up! Please remember & pray for us in Ireland as our campaign of resistance must now intensify for the cause of life.”
It is just the latest example of the backlash to the abortion vote. Last week Josepha Madigan, the Culture Minister who spearheaded the drive to legalize abortion was denied a meeting room at a Catholic institution owned by the Sisters of Mercy.
The nuns’ congregation said “threats have been made of busloads of protesters being brought to the site.
“Many of the representations made to us refer to the speaker’s connection with the abortion referendum and bill, even though this topic is not the subject of her presentation,” Mary Reynolds, chief executive of the Mercy International Association, said in a letter.

PAT SAYS:

Yesterday, I sent Mr Troy the following email:

REFUSAL OF HOLY COMMUNION
Pat Buckley
Sun 27/01/2019 14:33
robert.troy@oireachtas.ie

Dear Robert,

I wanted to drop you a note to say that I was very angry about John Hogan setting himself up as God, judging your conscience and refusing you Holy Communion.

I am NOT pro abortion but see it as the lesser of two evils in some very sad cases – like saving the life of a mother and in the case of rape etc.

However, you followed your Christian conscience in your decision about the vote – a hard decision to make – and only God is competent to judge your conscience.

This priest, Hogan, is playing God’s role and judging you.

He is absolutely in the wrong.

And one wonders what “sins” there are in his own life.

If you ever want to receive Holy Communion or a sacrament from me – I will serve you in that way.

The only one whose judgement we should fear is God’s – and certainly not a cleric of the Catholic Church which is constantly being shown to be corrupt and abusive to the core.

By the way, I am a Tullamore man.

Best Wishes,

Pat

(Bishop Pat Buckley)

I think that Priest Hogan must be some kind of right wing nut case?

I never of him until yesterday.

When I tried to look him up I found his Twitter account and discovered he had pre blocked me from viewing it.

If Hogan thinks that he can judge the conscience of another human being – he must also think that is a pure and sinless as Jesus was.

As he has taken it upon himself to publicly judge, condemn and refuse the Body of Christ to a fellow Christian – he has now become a legitimate target for the rest of us making inquiries into his own life, actions and “sins” – as Jesus said: “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone”.

So, I would like to hear from people about this priest, Hogan!

ALSO

What is the parish priest of a small rural parish doing establishing a Fraternity to pray for actors and their families?

I wouldn’t think that there are too many actors in Multyfarmham – apart from the PP.

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219 replies on “IRISH PRIEST REFUSES HOLY COMMUNION TO POLITICIAN WHO VOTED TO LEGALISE ABORTION.”

Mgr. Ciaran O’Carroll is getting very nervous Pat. He knows you will expose his corrupt ways. We are all afraid here in the Irish college to speak out. Sorry for my bad english. Help us!
God Bless you

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If you discriminate Politicians of not giving them the Holy Communion because they vote pro abortion, I should suggest to the Holy Father to stop giving Holy Communion to each and every Roman Catholic Priests who is Gay, Transgender men, and Paedophiles…
Those priests betrayed their faith, their vocation, and the congregation…
Voted pro abortion rights it’s a choice, it is option, it is their own responsibility to live with that decision!!!
Those women who might do right or wrong at least are not hypocrites like you Roman catholic priests…
They still have courage to see the truth in the eye…
The courage that you all as Roman catholic priests failed to have…

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I think it’s wonderful that Catholics are praying and offering sacrifices for those involved in the “entertainment” industry whose influence is so pervasive in culture and society, especially among our children and young people. Well done, Fr. Hogan. I was also under the impression that those not adhering to the beliefs of the very early Church were to be excluded. Maybe you should check Acts.

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12:03
The ‘beliefs of the early chuch’ included, fundamentally, respect for the sacredness and dignity of ALL human life. And yet, the institutional Roman Catholc Church (which claims apostolic descent from this community) has very long taught the direct opposite.
Why don’t you call for its exclusion? You can ‘check Acts’ for permission to do so.

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Is Fr. Hogan the guy who presents a programme on ewtn?
How can any priest know the state of conscience or state of the soul of another human being who seeks the Eucharist? Only Almighty God is privy to such knowledge. It is appalling to use the Eucharist as a weapon in such a manner. The Eucharist is not his to deny to anyone.

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Pat, a priest doesn’t need to refuse the sacraments to anyone. Those who voted for abortion have blood on their hands and have brought a curse on their children. Their reception of a sacrament without repenting simply condemns them because they seek to teach others that the way of the culture of death is the right way. Essentially that’s God’s business which He takes very seriously. If I were a priest, I would not get involved in the judgment. Let the priest be merciful and let the chips fall where they will. The blog story is a good insight into how the schism will take effect.

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You raise a great point. How does Hogan know that Robert Troy has not been to confession and repented? Troy may be appropriately in full communion.

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12:29;
Magna, I think the poster at 12:22 maybe referring to Deuteronomy, Exodus and Numbers, where God is portrayed as visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children.

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12.29
Quite. But the said poster would do well to read Ezekiel 18 where such primitive attempts at theodicy are abrogated and replaced by a theology of personal responsibility.

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12:29
Thank you, 12:29, for your reply.
You are quite right about those references.
This attitude prevailed in Jesus’ own time, and, on one occasion, he corrected a disciple who had asked him ‘who sinned, Lord? This man or his parents?’ The question was asked about, I think, the man born blind. The Jews believed that suffering was punishment by God for some atavistic sin. It was, of course, superstitious nonsense, as evidenced by Jesus reply: ‘No one sinned…’
Actually, the belief (still, obviously, current in Roman Catholicism) that God curses the innocent for the sins of the guilty is gravely immoral.

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Magna, it is not that God curses people but that people through sin can curse their own lives and that of their children. And voting for a key pillar of the culture of death does that. Jesus offered peace to the people of Jerusalem and when they refused his ways of peace, they decided for the ways that would bring their destruction hence his words – they will dash your children from the walls.

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When people’s young teenagers and grandchildren are being cajoled into abortions as being the easy answer by strangers without their parents even knowing, and the parents when then dealing with the residual trauma find out, maybe then they will realise what a curse they have visited upon their children.
On a more debatable point, exorcists would disagree with you on generational consequences. Perhaps you might find it informative to take the point up with them.

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Magna: It’s clear from your recent posts that you’re very well informed on religious matters. As a Humanist I’m at great disadvantage to debate such with you. But please explain what I see as great contradiction in a demolition of the belief in “punishment for the sins of the fathers .”
As orthodox RC belief claims that our human misfortune was visited on us by ‘the sin of Adam’ (however the “Fall” is understood, apple or otherwise) then surely we are all being punished as a consequence?
MMM

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Dear 3:20, what you have written about the morality of parents and children is pure unadulterated heresy.

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3:20

Thank you for your post.

I do know that God does not curse people in any way; this much should be clear to anyone who reads thoughtfully that gospel passage about the man born blind and Jewish belief that this was atavistic punishment, not BY sin, but by God.

There is, almost inevitably given conflicted biblical evidence, a constituency who still believe that it is God himself who punishes for sin. I had wondered whether the poster above might fall into this category, which is why I asked the question at 12:29.

Sin (some types more than others) has consequences, just as does virtue; these are logical. I think it wrong to speak in terms of curse, which can suggest baleful influence. What had you in mind?

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Thank you, Magna at 4.12 perhaps curse is not the right word, but if people deliberately act and cooperate with malevolence, my understanding is that they help evil to flourish and it grows unless god’s mercy is invoked and rescues them if not, in hindsight it may be clearer that a curse is involved. I’m trying to reconcile all insights that we have been given.

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When Our Lady said at Fatima that she was staying the arm of her son (raised because of the iniquity on the earth) and if God does not directly deal justice then either:1) Our Lady was lying 2) Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco were lying and in both cases, Lucia and Francisco should not have been declared saints and the third secret of Fatima, afraid to be disclosed by popes, is a ruse.
Or else God is concerned with justice. How could justice exist if it is not an attribute of Almighty God.

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MMM @ 4:45
As Margaret Thatcher was apparently wont to say: ‘I’m glad you asked me that question.’
Answers to it can be found, not in biblical exegesis of relevant texts in Genesis (which are neither history nor science, but ancient Hebraic folklore), but in the everyday observations we make about personal nature. Such remarks as:
He has his father’s temper.
She has her mother’s gentle nature.
On a less affective level:
She has her dad’s artistic talent.
He has mum’s talent for creative writing.
And so on.
Can you see where this is going? As a sociologist who favours the interactionist model of personal development might say, all we are, and ever will be, is determined largely by our genes, but also by interactive circumstance (nature-nuture), not by divine wrath.
If ever there were such a thing as ‘The Fall’, then the moral propensities incurred by each of us since (good and bad) were written into our very DNA, not as divine punishment, but as hereditary consequence.

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Magna: A wee bit of ‘strawmanning’ perhaps?
But I detect a sympathetic leaning towards an evolutionary understanding of our existence in your healthy relegation of the Genesis explanation: Hebraic folklore? I concur.
Indeed the genetical body fabric of our lives wears the clothes nurture shapes for us. While Dawkins can be OTT, nevertheless his “Selfish Gene” makes more sense than biblical mythology.
MMM

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6:04
No one lied.
The ‘staying’ of Jesus’ ‘hand’ is clearly metaphor for… What? Your understanding seems to be that Jesus was about to inflict great suffering on the world for its collective sin (Wasn’t this already happening through the First World War?), but that his mother proved more merciful, more compassionate than the God of mercy and compassion himself. Really!😕
You probably believe, too, that God struck the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone, even innocent children (including those in the womb). If this is the God you worship (the God of fear, of domination, of vengeance, of indiscriminate and violent wrath…in fact, traditionally the God of Roman Catholicism), you can keep him.
I believe an understanding that expresses God’s mercy is proper to this:
Jesus is heartbroken at the weight of sin in the world and at the havoc this is doing to human souls, destining themselves to the unspeakabke horror of eternal separation from him. He has appealed, coutless times, through Scripture, through prophets, but his people, like the ancient Jews, will not listen. There is only one way left to him: they, like those Jews, must be allowed to suffer the full consequence of their collective sin, which he himself has held back, because he loves his people beyond the words of poets.
What you propose about Jesus is that he is capable of, and willing to commit, appaling acts of indiscrimate evil.

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Check your facts. Go to the ORIGINAL sources on Fatima. You are wrong on several counts: vision of Hell shown to children ( not very pc), prayer added to the rosary, staying of Our Lord’s hand nothing to do with world war. As for trying to pitch Our Lady against Jesus, are you suggesting last week’s Cana gospel was insinuating that?
You need to read more widely. You are reading to support your selected view.

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MMM @ 8:27
Yes, I do tend to favour a more evolutionary model of human development, though not to the extent that Dawkins does.
I do believe in a creator god: in Jesus the Christ as Redeemer. I do not believe, however, in traditional understanding of human moral regression, ‘The Fall’; but I do, and must, believe in human moral degeneration of some sort (the acquisition, if you like, of Dawkin’s ‘selfish gene’), otherwise the death and ressurrection of Jesus would not only have been pointless, but more tragic than the most pathetic of Shakesperean tragedies.
Somewhere, and somehow, along the trail of human evolution, someone (or some species collectively) took a wrong moral turn, became dominant (possibly through personal violence)…and its progeny, humanity, has been paying for it, often at terrible cost, ever since.

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MMM @ 8:27

How did I offer strawman argument?

You expressed puzzlement over orthodox RCC teaching on ‘The Fall’ and my denial of the belief that God punishes for sin. I, on the contrary, made it clear that I do not believe in ‘The Fall’, at least as it is expressed in Genesis and in RCC teaching. THIS teaching would support the idea of a punitive God; my belief in inherited moral virtue AND weakness does not.

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12:56
Check my facts? Fine. Let’s check a few together.
First, I did not deny a vision of Hell at Fatima
Secondly, I did not deny that prayer was added to the rosary.
Thirdly, I did not state that the ‘staying’ of Jesus’ hand had anything to do with WWI. Obviously, it couldn’t have, since the hand was, er, ‘stayed’.
My mentioning WWI was to make a point: that the world was already suffering enough through an unprecedented global conflict, in which killing was occurring on an industrialised scale. Therefore why would a loving and merciful god seek to add to it? That God wanted to add to it was implied by the other poster’s words, the implication being that God was neither loving nor merciful.
Fourthly, I did not ‘pitch’ Mary against Jesus: this, again, was implied by the other poster’s words.
I f I need to read more widely (and I undoubtedly do…as do we all), then you need to read with greater discernment and intelligence.

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I am totally and unconditionally opposed to abortion, morally speaking. But I should never, ever, refuse communion to a soul that had acted in this matter in strict accordance with his conscience, even if that act were moral anathema to me personally.
John Hogan is doing Roman Catholic priesthood no favours at all, and it now needs as many of these as it can reasonably get, given the ever-mounting scandal of Roman Catholic priests’ raping children while their priestly colleagues covered for them.

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I shouldn’t be surprised at all if there were an interesting back-story, as several of the usual alarm bells went off reading this account. Corpus Christi has long been known as the actors’ church owing to its location in theatre land. However, it has also become a centre of traditionalism and the Old Mass. Despite his duties as a no doubt diligent parish priest, Father Hogan also appears to be a busy networker across both sides of the Atlantic. It would be very interesting to know who his friends are in Westminster. Any of the usual suspects, I wonder?

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I imagine the disgraced Fr Michael Seed, former fag-to-the-stars, would have featured at one time before his banishment to Wales.

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I wondered why he’d disappeared, but the official story – naturally – was ill-health. So what really happened?

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Seed had his book launch in Stringfellows to highlight he was not a friend of Dorothy- what a laugh.

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@11:12
Attempted fraud it seems. Apparently, he transferred £35,000 from a charity account into a friend’s account, who subsequently transferred it into Seed’s personal bank account, who then claimed two shits to a candlestick he knew nothing about it.

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Is there going to be a raising of hands to congregations regarding whether people voted yes or no in the abortion referendum and is communion going to be denied to the thousands of Catholics who voted yes? That seems to be the logic to Fr. Hogan’s postion. Maybe a member of the hierarchy could clarify, or a priest who has the ‘ear of his bishop’ could clarify the Church’s position on the matter.

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Shame on you Pat. All the Souls lost to such weakness as yours. When does life start for you Pat? Maybe your mother should have aborted you, what do you think?

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Magna darling, pop out and buy Fr Hogan’s CTS pamphlet on self-control for mummy, there’s a good boy.

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Mommie Dearest, I’m not certain that Fr Hogan could be of any help to you there, since he seems to have lost control of himself.😐

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I am sure there was a girl he was intending to marry, but he gave it all up – that’s the usual story told.

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You may be confusing Fr Micheal Hogan with Fr John Hogan who appeared on Gaydar ten years ago in his underpants. It’s an easy mistake to make.

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I guess that should be “You may be confusing Fr John Hogan with Fr Micheal Hogan… ”
So many Hogans. Are they related, Bp Pat? You know these sort of things.

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More control from the RC church. So called priest should put his own house in order before judging anyone. More and more this church is becoming irrelevant. It’s foundations are crumbling and soon it will collapse under the weight of its lies and abuse good riddance to it

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If you are not a believing Catholic then why would you be concerned as to who Fr. Hogan gives Holy Communion to? So as to make sure we have no “control” should we have to give Our Blessed Lord to murderers, pederasts ( doing that already ), Hitler, protestants, Muslims, atheists, ISIS, dogs, orang outans? Who gets to say who is allowed to receive the Holy Eucharist? A non-believer like yourself? What groups are you a member of, maybe I could change their rules?

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Should Jesus not be given to everyone in the hope that they will repent before the day of judgement?

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@3.23
That is not the teaching of the Catholic Church. Although we can never be truly worthy, there are certain conditions laid down for the receiving of Our Lord’s Body and Blood. As Cardinal Sarah has explained, it is not a brunch. We are to confess, do penance and receive forgiveness and be reconciled again into the Body of the Lord. Then we can certainly receive the Eucharist. Going to Confession is free and easily available to all. So why not? Why do people want Holy Communion and yet NOT be willing to be in communion with what the Church teaches? Are they asserting their “right” to it? Sounds about right for these days.

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2.26 – a disgusting and unchristian act of marginalizing and condemning whole swathes of humanity. I imagine you call yourself a Christian without any sense of irony.

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@ 5.01
Nobody condemned anybody – but they are not eligible to receive the Blessed Eucharist. Why would non-Catholics want what only Catholics believe is the Body and Blood of Christ. To everyone else it is just a “wafer.” You are showing your hysterical silliness.

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Here we go again D Willy is being treated like God hi. Tis against Canon Law to refuse communion at the altar but. Tis snot a proper religion any more. These wans are clinging to sexuality in a bid to maintain control but. Pity Jesus is losing out or maybe he ain’t in the long run but

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Cardinal Murphy O’Connor took Tony Blair aside and asked him to no longer receive Holy Communion because he was not a Catholic. He used to accompany Cherie to Mass at the RC Church in Great Missenden close to Chequers. This is canonically the correct thing to do when you are refusing someone Holy Communion.

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Yes, you are indeed right about that, Fli hi.
Odd, then, that according to the Synoptic Gospels ALL of the Apostles were present at the Last Supper, and ALL of them received the sacrament, including Judas Iscariot; none was refused by Jesus.

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Papal mandate is no guarantee of the integrity of a man chosen to be consecrated a bishop! 👼

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All who voted for abortion – a morally reprehensible act – have damaged their own conscience. All such people need to seek God’s mercy for, what will, in time, become abortion on demand. We have voted for the most liberal regime of abortion than we imagined. All Christians, Catholics in particular must reflect seriously on their standing before God. Fr. Hogan exercised his moral conscience anfvthat is his right. Many politicians were pro life add they canvassed for electoral support and reneged on all commitments and promises given. The smug delight from the same politicians as they cheered at outcome of the referendum is an image that will not be forgotten when they next knock on our doors.

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9:03 – All of us damage our conscience through sin and all of us must seek the mercy of God.
Fr. Hogan is not privy to another person’s conscience before God and can’t assume to have such knowledge.

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11:53;
Ok. So what about the hierarchy covering up for criminal clerical perpetrators of child sexual abuse
( an abomination) and the deaths of God only knows how many victims, as well the resultant scandal to the Christian community.
Does that require public repentance?

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@ 2.27
Don’t hold your breath. That’s why Francis and his homo-cardinals and bishops are a shire of shite. The Church teachings are there. We don’t throw them out because Kaspar and his mafia have temporarily taken over.

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11:53
What? Would you have people dragged through the streets, naked, and whipped in a show of public penitence?

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Don’t be so facetious. If they campaigned publicly, then they must renounce publicly. Bit like when the papers are sued, Magna. Can you follow, or are we moving too quickly?

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11:53; 1:33;
So, when are the hierarchy going to publicly repent?
Do you realize some of those guys still refuse to talk to victimns. Hardly likely to publicly repent or become models of public repentance!

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@ 2.38
Whoever is doing the Magna shift today is doing a pretty rubbish job. Homo hysteria alert.
Where to start! Little logic and a lot of “what-a-boutery.”
Firstly, repentance involves restitution. If I steal, then I am required to pay back. If I slander, then I must try and restore the damaged reputation. Surely you remember the fable of the mountain and the bag of feathers.
As a TD if you cause scandal to others by advocating for murder then to repent you must attempt to repair that harm to others by publicly being reconciled to Church teaching. You seem muddled.
As for your homosexual gripes – well, I do not accept that God created any man to sodomize another man.
Rather, I read that Biblically and via Church tradition that He specifically condemned it. Why don’t you ask Him to apologise?

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1:36
‘Facetious’? It is how clerics historically have treated penitents.
Has the institutional Church publicly repented for its centuries of erroneous teaching on human life?
No.
Has it repented for its unjust discrimination against LGBT people and for the personal harm this did to them?
No.
Has it repented for its unjust ban on gay mens’ being admitted to seminary just because they are gay (and in light of Pope Francis’ famous ‘who am I to judge?’ response to a journalist’s question on gay priests?
No.
How long did it take for the institutional Church to apologise publicly for the Crusades, the Papal Inquisition, the Protestant Reformation?
Hundreds of years. Even then there were Vatican protests that this could undermine the doctrinal authority 😅 of the Church.
Repentance is repentance, whether made privately or publicly. Repentance is not dependent on location. You are more interested in the humiliation of this TD than in his repentance. It is this flint-edged Roman Catholicism that is turning many away.

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@ 5.21 publicly repent, wear sackcloth and ashes, resign and spend the rest of their days in austere seclusion, NOT retire to a life of “prayer” in a mansion.

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I’m sure the last thing Troy wants is fellow BIFFO, Priest Buckley, writing to him to offer succour! Fr Hogan is a good priest and fair play to him.

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Evident he is not a good priest as he appears to not have followed the appropriate process for refusing communion.

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Whether Fr. Hogan is or isn’t a good priest is not the issue. But I can safely say, Fr. Hogan, is not God. He has done priesthood no favours and if this carry on continues, its likely to alienate more people from the church. What about the role of the hierarchy prior to the referendum? What about the impact on the referendum result of church corruption and crime, going on now for years? Why did the hierarchy have to resort to lay people to do their donkey work prior to the vote? Breaking promises is ‘ par for the course ‘ of politics.

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Clearly you missed the fact that the hierarchy are but one lobby group amongst many

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9:03

Was Jesus a bad priest, then? Because he appears not to have excluded Judas Iscariot from reception of the sacrament at the Last Supper. The synoptic gospels all imply it.

According to the Code of Canon Law, Jesus would be in serious breach if he were to repeat such an act today.

Imagine that.😅

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You better run off and join a Protestant sect then. They give their bread out to (almost) anybody. Why would you stay in the terrible Catholic Church when your membership was a mere accident of birth? And if you are not Catholic then why would you concern yourself with Catholic beliefs? Are you trying to convert us, and if so, what to? Is it the Church of Magna?

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Tom Marsh said some strange things. I think he may have been an atheist?

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2:37
‘Run off and join a Protestant sect, then.’ This is the stock reply of every dyed-in-the-wool, legalistic, ultramontane Roman Catholic stung by a just criticism. And it’s hilarious as it is pathetic.
No; running off ever resolved anything.
If you joined a club only to discover later that its membership criteria barred blacks, Chinese, Irish, the intellectually challenged (like you), etc from joining, would you ‘run off’, or would you try to have those unjiust discriminations scotched?
It is JESUS’ example we are to follow. No one else’s.

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Magna, are you for real?
The Real Precence is the essence of the Catholic Church. If I joined a golf club then I wouldn’t try and change it into a tennis club.
You remind me of Groucho Marx, you don’t want to join any club which would consent to have yourself as a member. I’d hazard that the reason you don’t toddle off to another sect is that you might have to work for a living. “I’m a Catholic and the Catholic Church must form itself into my image,” stomps little 2 yr old Magna.
BTW I notice a strong tendency in your posts to try and deny the Kingdom to anyone below a certain IQ or educational level. You really need to look to yourself, “Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord…” and all that.
Homosexual narcissism alert.

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4:31

My comment concerned injustice. Where this exists (and it certainly exists in the Roman Catholic Church, and elsewhere) we are bound to resist it.

Running off isn’t resistance, but moral cowardice.

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“Injustice” because someone whose actions wilfully and deliberately lead to the murder of the unborn and automatically puts him outside the Catholic Church is refused the Body and Blood of Christ which he knows is specifically reserved for Catholics not in a state of mortal sin? That’s not injustice. The murdering of the babies is the injustice.
BTW in the interests of justice, would you like to clarify your position as to whether a certain level of IQ or educational level is required to be part of the Kingdom of God? Your many comments imply that you think much less of such people.

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5:08
Officially, Jesus wasn’t a rabbi either, yet he was referred to in this way because his innate ability to teach authoratively was recognised by some of his listeners.
But yes, you are right: Jesus was not a priest, most emphatically not in the Roman Catholic sense, and certainly not in the Judaic sense. However, the parallels with Jewish priesthood are inescapable: Jesus offered himself in loving obedience to his Father and, by doing so reconciled humanity to God, something that Jewish priestly acts of atonement could never achieve, only, at best, mimic.
As an interesting aside, Jesus is traditionally thought to have died at precisely the time when Caiaphas, the high priest, was ritually atoning in the Temple for his sins, and for the sins of his people.

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Would Fr. John like to tell us on this blog his rationale for refusing communion to Mr. Troy?
Fr. John isn’t shy of the camera or public attention.

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Why was Robert Troy singled out and refused communion? What about other politicians and public representatives who promoted a yes vote?Were any of these politicians, at for example, the papal mass last August, and if so, did any of them go to receive communion? If they did, were they refused communion by a priest?
Will any Canon lawyers let us know the churchs position? Lets have consistency in approach.
There are too many armchair papas and loose canons in the church who seem to like to play god.

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No. The problem is the exact opposite. Papa Frankie and his homosexual shire of shits have hijacked the Church and allow anarchy to reign. Teaching? P-l-e-a-s-e-! Tell Cuomo he shouldn’t be clapping and applauding because he has made sure 9 mth full-term babies will be murdered, cut up and delivered anytime a New Yorker whims it?! Goodness me, Dolan couldn’t possibly tell Democrat Cuomo that he has put himself outside the Catholic Church. The biggest sin is being confrontational and non-pc.
God already played God: He said Thou shalt not kill. Is that too inconvenient for the Bishops and it takes Fr. Hogan to proclaim it? Good news for the babies that Fr. Hogan seems to still have his cojones.

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Thank-you, Fr. Hogan. All respect for the Body and Blood of Christ has gone. No fasting, no confession, just wander up regardless and chew Him. These people in prominent positions are giving severe scandal, and are “obstinate sinners”. They supported abortion publicly and still do, as they have not spoken publicly against it. The daft argument that “we need the numbers” is ridiculous. Following Jesus Christ is not about numbers. He wasn’t afraid to let people go, He never ran after them. If they decided to “stop going with Him” then He let them. Abortion politicians have made a choice other than Christ. For them to be seen then receiving Christ scandalises my children and damages them. Thank-you, Fr. Hogan for standing up for the precious and sacred body and blood of our Lord and Master.

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The issue is not the morality of immorality of abortion. The issue is refusing communion to a man who supported a yes vote. I would like to know the position of Canon law on such matters and consistency by clergy in such matters.

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Anon @ 10.03; Since you seem to be a believer in transubstantiation, could you explain at what point does the “precious and sacred body and blood of your Lord and Master” (your description), cease to be such? Perhaps it’s after being “chewed” (again, your description) for a while; perhaps when sufficiently mixed with the gastric juices; enters the stomach, or ?: go on, please enlighten this unbeliever.
MMM

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10:03;
You make some valid points re fasting, confession and disrespect towards the Eucharist.
Maybe that’s a consequence of years of poor catechesis and religious education?
The Lord’s final great commission was to go make disciples.

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@MMM 11.21
You’re not at that stage. You can’t walk before you can run. You don’t even accept that there is a God. Well, you do have a god – and it bears your own image.

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10:03
‘No fasting, no confession, just wander up regardless and chew him.’ And this (minus the ‘wander up’) is precisely how Jesus and his disciples behaved at the Passover Seder we call ‘The Last Supper’. And yes, they all chewed him, because this is how food was (and is) meant to be consumed. And what is the Mass primarily but a sacred, redemptive meal.
As for abortion, the institutional Roman Catholic Church has, historically, played an incalculabe role in promoting disrespect for human life, not only by failing to teach its universal sacredness, both in utero and ex utero, but by the repeated and obstinate sexual and other abuse of children.
This hypocritical moral example has conflicted many about the value (or its lack) of human life.

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Actually, 10.03, Christ is not chewed. You are confusing the sign (bread – which is chewed) with the thing signified (The Body of Christ – which is not).

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He may become camera shy if someone spills the beans on what he‘s really like though I think most us have already got the picture.

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I was taught reverence, and Holy Communion never touched my teeth. Try it sometime. Awe and fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom. Why would anyone not want to show reverence to Almighty God? Unless they don’t really believe that it is Almighty God.

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No I don’t. You believe Mass is a Protestant breaking of bread. Go into any Church, never see a priest on his knees before the tabernacle – because they do not believe. Francis can’t even be bothered / refuses to kneel . Don’t give me the bad knees, he can get down well enough for a photo op when being blessed by a Protestant or washing a few Muslim feet. No pay-off in kneeling before Our Lord.

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8:23
Oh, yes you do believe in consubstantiation! Your post at 5:14 proves this, because you clearly see the bread and wine as separate elements from the body and blood of Jesus respectively. This is consubstantiation.
Orthodox Roman Catholic teaching on the Eucharist sees only two elements upon consecration of the bread and wine: the body and blood of Jesus respectively, but ONLY under the appearance of bread and wine. This is transubstantiation.
Kneeling before the blessed sacrament is not, necessarily, any more a reliable indicator of a person’s relationship with Christ than was Iscariot’s kissing Jesus’ cheek in Gethsemane.
God sees the heart, which is invisible to all but him. You see, and judge by, only what can be seen by human eyes: such externals as kneeling.
Stop wasting your time judging the moral worthiness or unworthiness of people, and start doing only what Jesus expects of you: loving all others REGARDLESS.

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Utter Balls. Orthodox Roman Catholicism has been kneeling before, and showing extreme reverence to, the Blessed Sacrament for a very long time. Those who love and honour automatically show respect. Take off your shoes for the place you stand is holy ground. Why don’t you have everybody chatting, picking their noses and eating in your Church? Maybe they are still respectful underneath the outward disrespect. So, if people believed they were receiving Christ’s Body and Blood they would automatically show respect. The Church had a lot of holy people receiving Christ respectfully and on their knees. Not so much holiness now. Lazy priests doing 1/10 th their forebears did. I suppose Martina Purdy etc who spend their lives on their knees before the Blessed Sacrament are deluded and wasting their time. According to you we should not genuflect before the tabernacle. You really are up your own arse; and the whole thing is I would hazard that with all your blather about outward signs etc that you are the very one who would be last to do anything practical to help anyone. Hot air.
I’d rather follow Saint Tarcisius, a child, than you. The only one you would kneel before is the mirror.

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9.36: The answer to your question is obvious – a pro abortionist receiving Holy Communion is an anachronism. It contradicts the very essence of claiming to follow Christ or to carry the name “Christian”. All these politicians made an “enlightened” journey (their catch phrase!!) but left the unborn child out of their narrative. I hope in years to come (soon) these same politicians will reflect on their journey when innocent unborn children become so inconvenient that we’ll just throw them aside indiscriminately. The TD’s wouldn’t even allow for an amendment to ensure that the unborn child might be given a pain reducing drug before they are removed clinically and surgically. They wouldn’t even tell us what will happen to the beautiful, innocent unborn children after the abortion. While we all agree that there are exceptional cases of very difficult pregnancies and difficult decisions to make, the reality of our present laws allow unborn children to be killed up to birth. Let us not be fòoled by carefully chosen “compassionate” words, much used by our TD’s. Yes, I believe God is merciful to those who genuinely seek his mercy, but for many, sadly, abortion is just another “human right”. Imagine – a human right to kill another human being. A very distorted concept of human rights indeed!

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@ 9.28
Thank God the Holy Spirit is still alive in a few on this blog. We can only offer our prayers and sacrifices as Our Lady has requested for those still in darkness.

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And who do you always think the murdered baby is like? Anyhow, a woman may be in an abortion clinic once, but a politician who advocated and voted for abortion coolly and calculatedly decided to facilitate the death of the most innocent. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. I knit you together in your mother’s womb.

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A young 12 year old girl who was raped in the North was escorted to England by police to have an abortion. I suppose she will be refused Holy Communion too. What kind of society do we live in that would tolerate this?

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You are spouting rubbish. The two situations are entirely different.
What kind of society do we live in where 12 year olds are raped.

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10.25 you appeal in vain for reason or humanity to the hard men on this site. Might as well appeal to the IRA not to kneecap.

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Are the ‘RA kneecapping? You better report that as they are no longer meant to exist never mind engage in illegal, paramilitary activity. Are you sure it’s them? Who, when and where?

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Fr Hogan trained to be a Carmelite. He then went for secular priesthood, usually other way around. Fr Hogan, like Bishop Pat, is from County Offaly as part of that county is in the diocese of Meath. Mr Troy’s brother is a Carmelite.

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I only went once to Corpus Christi before the Soho Masses closed down, but it was just the same old candlestick-polishers who used to go to Warwick Street.

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You are quite right. You still get a few cradle Catholics from local authority housing at the Vigil Mass, but it also attracts the usual Latin Mass brigade faffing about in lace adjusting the length of a candle. Elsie was there recently.

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@11.08
Have you something against the Mass of ages, the Mass of the penal centuries?
Padre Pio used to adjust the sleeves of his vestments too before celebrating the Sacrifice of the Mass in Latin.
People queued to attend a Mass celebrated by him. Do crowds queue because of your obvious holiness?

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10:40; Clearly, you’ve forgotten the fact, Ireland is a Catholic country and bishops have a duty to Jesus Christ, used to be moral leaders and used to be shepherds of the Catholic community, and not just another political lobby group.

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Ireland is not a Catholic country. The only Catholic country is Vatican City.

Ireland is a country of people with an array of interests and belief. Religion is one aspect, but only one. Religious beliefs must take their beliefs in line with other aspects of life and democracy will decide, for better or worse.

I am strongly anti-abortion. I am also strongly in favour of respecting other people’s free will and not imposing my will on others.

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2:01; The vast majority of religious believers in Ireland are Catholic . Don’t be mischievous! The hierarchy are supposed to provide moral guidance, etc, to the Catholic community, which includes a considerable number of politicians. Christians are either with Christ or against Him. (Matt: 12:30.)

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I am strongly anti domestic abuse. I am also strongly in favour of respecting other’s free will. Funny, if I passed a man beating up a woman in the street then one would have to take precedence -and it wouldn’t be the one where I walk on by and let the man beat the bejasus out of her. I’m afraid I’d have to impose my will a bit.

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@3.36. That’s an entirely different scenario. Of course a person intervenes in such scenarios.
But applying your own logic to the current situation will we see you in the maternity hospitals beating down the doors into the abortion suite? I think not.
@2.42. The moral guidance you speak of is only guidance. A person can accept or ignore ot like the advice of any other lobby group. A politician is elected to enact the will of the people, not the will of the Church. If the people in the pew vote against church teaching than politicians are duty bound to follow the will of the people.
It’s a shame the bishops dont gollow the teaching of the church… dead babies were once the monopoly of the Church. So Matt 12.30 that.

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@ 5.54
No it’s not. It would be morally wrong for me to publically campaign or vote to make domestic violence legal. This TD publicly campaigned and voted to make the murder of babies legal.
Are you suggesting because something happens in the street it’s wrong but if it happens indoors that it’s then alright?

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No. I am suggesting that the free will of one individual does not overrule the democratic choice of a nation.
You speak of moral choices. The Catholic church has a great track record on the issue. Try fixing yojr church before you try fixing a whole nation.

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@ 9.54
If it’s my Church and not yours why are you so exercised as to who is eligible for Holy Communion? None of your business. The TD CAMPAIGNED and VOTED for baby murder himself personally. That is not respecting others’ free will, it is using his own free will to bring about evil. Not eligible for Holy Communion.

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I’m glad Ireland voted for Abortion when I read the right wing fundamentalist clap trap on this blog from right wing nutters. It’s time the Church ceases all involvement in Irish life particularly it’s involvement in primary education. The Church’s influence in our country needs to end now .

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That’s right, 10.56, let’s continue to give the influence to all the soros funded left-wing, head banging nutters so disabled babies can be murdered right up to 9 months gestation and children can be pumped full of synthetic hormones and have their sexual bits cut off because you have decided there is no such thing as male and female. The left wing thought-police can really show us how good life can be. Their “logic” is enviable: who’d have thought of murdering babies to teach people who think differently from you a lesson. Only someone like you.

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Abortion will happen whether you like it or not 11.33am so get over it and get over yourself. It’s a human right. Use all the emotive shit language you want – it makes no difference.

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@11.53
Lots of things will happen whether I like it or not: genocide, wars, hand-over of the true Catholic Church in China to the communists, starvation and lack of medical care in Venezuela, full term abortions in New York, lots and lots of things. Doesn’t make them right.
A ” human right”! Save me the globalist, U.N. language.
The good news is that Christ has already won.

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10.56: Another trendy liberal – but exhibiting the cold, inhumane, deathly language of all pro abortionists. All you want is “my rights”, “my preferences”, “my choices”: All this narcissistic, self absorbed, selfish attitudes has devalued the sanctity of life in all stages of existence. How anyone can countenance the deliberate killing of a defenceless unborn child, another human being, is incomprehensible. The pro choice language is all about what “I” want irrespective of moral and ethical consequences.

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11:53;
The moral law always trumps positive law regardless of what globalist extreme leftist politically correct mumbo jumbo propaganda you chose to believe and promote. Democrats and tolerant my hat!
The left wing social justice warriors shut down democratic debate prior to the referendum aided and abetted by all sorts. The rights of the unborn are (were) antecedent, inalienable, impresciptible and natural.
These words more or less mean; pre-existing, incapable of being given up, incapable of being taken away , not made or caused by humankind. These are (were) fundamental rights enshrined in the Irish constitution. No person or group of people have a right to kill or make abortion a new fundamental right. The silence of the legal profession on the matter was disgraceful. That is not to say hard cases didn’t exist but hard cases make bad law.

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The Holy Goat @ 5:54; while politicians are duty bound to supposedly enact the will of the people,
the will of the people is not necessarily morally right. Look at nazi Germany in the 1930s.
There was, in my view, an appalling lack of moral guidance from the bishops prior to the abortion referendum.

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What has the diocese to say about it all? Is Meath diocese squeaky clean? How many priests have left the diocese for men? Did they decide to have sex with men once they left the diocese or were they already giving it a try before they left? In other words, were they doing things while simultaneously getting up for the day job and consecrating hosts?

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The Sunday Times article was more in-depth than the article which you reproduced from Irish Central. It stated that the spokeswoman for the bishop said that the bishop was out of the country. Where is he? And would the vicar generals have anything to say in his absence?

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It’s gas! ⛽
Treanor constantly high flyin’, Phonsie in the US of A last week, now Dinny conveniently out of the country,
if the Sunday Times article is accurate!
What are they doin’ that they’re needed abroad? Attending hot air shops? 👯
Are any bishops left in the country? 🌎

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No, they’re fulfilling Francis’s new climate gospel – one jet journey at a time.

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The diocese of Meath website doesn’t have anything to say on the issue. It’s last posting is about Fr Kevin Heery attending a SEEK conference in Indianapolis. The conference, organised by the Fellowship of Catholic University Students (FOCUS), was attended by 18,000 participants.

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If you are relying on a diocesan website for any reliable info then it’s little wonder you couldn’t find anything.

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Must be. Frankie has changed the Our Father, changed the Beatitudes and he’s working on the Ten Commandments: 1st you must be a liberal homosexual to get promoted, 2nd you must turn off your light before getting in your jumbo, 3rd you must condemn rosary counters while adding to your little ( rather big) book of insults…………

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11.53: That’s precisely the problem, you dumbhead! The deliberate use of cold, clinical, unemotive language by pro abortionists (killers) is a camoflaoguing of TRUTH and REALITY. The horrendous procedures of abortion are totally immoral and unethical. The end result of abortion is the deliberate ending of an unborn child. Sadly, abortion is here but we won’t have to wait too long before the horror of this barbarism become apparently clear. Just look at the way some TD’s jumped and down recently as if they were in competition to see who would be first to declare an abortion took place. I suspect they had fireworks ready to send into the skies! It couldn’t happen quickly enough for them. What ugliness of behaviour! Next time you look into the eyes of a new born child – just reflect and think what happens to such beautiful, innocent, vulnerable human beings through the procedure of an abortion. And if looking into the eyes of a new born child doesn’t move you to reflect, then you are an ice cold, unfeeling, unemotional human being. You distort the very meaning of what being human means. God forgive you.

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Yes, 3.41, well said. Equal marriage and abortion rights for women will be next for the North. Then hopefully assisting people to die with dignity. The Church is not relevant anymore and has been full of abusers and those willing to cover it up. Throw all guilty clergy vermin in prison along with the bishops who protected these scum.

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Let’s hope with the help of courageous parties like Sinn Fein this will be achievable in the North. They are an all Ireland party and when they get into Government in Dublin then we can advance the rights based agenda for all our citizens on this entire island.

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God does forgive dearie, you miss the point. Pope Francis has allowed Priests to offer forgiveness to those in the confessional who confess a termination of a foetus. In fact if many priests are truthful they have been offering absolution for this for years. That’s what Jesus meant by mercy and forgiveness.

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6:40; What a load of cobblers! Has 20th century history taught you nothing about the failed marxist ideology responsible for the deaths of millions! Sinn Fein are NOT going to lead you to a secular rights based utopia.

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@6.48
It is you who entirely misses the point, dearie.
Yes God forgives, when we recognise that we have gone astray and ask for it through the Sacrament of confession. That is not the case when we agitate for abortion and do not repent of that agitation. Big difference.

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@ 6.40
Sinn Fein!!!!
Hahahaha Venezuela how are ye. Sinn Fein are now thoroughly corrupt – both morally in their policies and organisationally. They are now all about the money, money, money. Come up North and see how the mafia operate. No martyrs left. Eu funding, they can’t get enough of it. Irish local people – their votes are taken for granted and new voter streams to capture. Sinn Fein are a busted flush.

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4:38;
Where does the slippery slope end?
Why not start killing disabled or impaired, mentally ill, the over 75s, those with red hair and freckles!
God only knows where that slope ends. I hope you or none of yours go slidding!

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@5.12
Unfortunately everything you describe is already happening in Europe and Canada ( apart from the red hair and freckles, although their is pre-implantation selection so it might be).

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According to the pope this week, having an abortion is like hiring a hitman. And, he’s right. However, it’s still not right for John Hogan to refuse Jesus to anyone, especially as those in authority, the bishops, have reneged on their duties. Perhaps John might make an appropriate response to the bishops before targeting a corrupt politician. If a nation votes to facilitate the killing of babies, that nation votes for its own death. And if bishops facilitate this by simply issuing statements into an environment where they already know the won’t be heard in, then those bishops are ticking boxes and risk becoming salt without taste. And we know what Jesus said about that.

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This particular T.D. was the one who presented himself to Fr. Hogan. He has publically campaigned for something which is anathema to Catholic teaching, so he has therefore facilitated murder and caused scandal to others – including children and young people. Fr. Hogan showed great bravery for Christ. He’ll be pilloried by leftists and abandoned by those who are meant to be our spiritual leaders. Rejection by the world, we were told to expect it.

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2.04: Politicians like Mr. Troy, his fellow FF colleagues and FG politicians promised before the last election and the one before it that they were anti abortion – (they are anti lots of things!!!) – But they all went on a “journey” before the referendum but the journey was incomplete because they only had concern for the woman; the baby, the unborn child only had a handful of TD’s and the pro life groups to journey with and on their behalf. The subsequent shouting and jumping for joy at the passing of repeal the 8th is an act of treachery and barbarism because the end result of abortion is the deliberate killing/destruction of the unborn child. So much for the idealism and vision of our proclamation to treat all equally! The cry of the pro choice soldiers is, “my choice” matters more than the innocent, vulnerable, fragile gift and beauty of the unborn child. We are a deeply secularist, selfish society, where all that we have previously valued – the sanctity of life – literally matters no longer. Just look at the way we now treat homeless men, women and children and families, children with special needs, the elderly, hospital waiting lists, children placed in psychiatric wards with adults….need I go on? The reality is that if you are strong, financially secure, politically positioned and supposedly modern, you win and benefit most. Sadly, the unborn child no longer has constitutional protection.

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2:04;
What about the anathema of child abuse and millstones and that imperative of Christ ignored for generations by the institutional church? I wonder what Fr. Hogan has to say on such issues?

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Priest Buckley at 3:01pm, so what that the majority of Irish voted for abortion. That has no bearing whatsoever on the morality and evil of abortion.
Abortion is not one iota less evil because the majority of voters voted for it. The whole crowd to a man bayed for the Blood of God’s Son!
Pro abortion politicians and those who are “proud” of having voting to remove the unborn child’s right to life have absolutely no business presenting themselves for Holy Communion until they go to Confession, repent, do penance and amend their lives accordingly.
To go to Holy Communion and to have been guilty of promoting abortion is a terrible sacrilege and those who do so damn their own souls.
Thank God for priests like Fr Hogan with the backbone to take a clear and strong stand in these days of utter confusion.

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3:01;
Bishop Pat, it’s true the majority voted for it, but a very good analysis of the referendum is to be found in
John Waters latest book ‘ Give Us Back the Bad Roads’. John outlines the skullduggery that went on for a number of years prior to the referendum, including the role of the media, cultural marxist ideological influences, and emotive propaganda. It’s a great read.

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Yes, Pat at 3.01 and they all have blood on their hands and brought a curse on all of our children. The road to hell is wide Pat and many take – according to the real Jesus.

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I hope you will not be sitting on judgement day as my judge you smug, arrogant and self righteous moron. I don’t need to be lectured by the likes of you on morality. I’m sure you have plenty of family skeletons in your own cupboard to be concerned about.

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Jesus already advised you that the door and way are narrow. You seem more than presumptuous as to your salvation, – do you really believe that you, personally, have an immortal soul?

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4.32 you seem to see smugness, arrogance and self righteousness where it suits you except in your own heart. Jesus lives.

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Hear hear@4.32pm. Well said and I totally agree. Spare me from these parasites on their moral high horses preaching down to the rest of us. They usually have loads to hide in their own hypocritical lives.

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I wonder if Fr. Hogan is seeking brownie points from his like minded friends in America or maybe his zealous ego has run away with himself. Can priests willy nilly decide who does and doesn’t receive communion?

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Not sure where Robert Troy lives in Westmeath and where he usually attends mass. He’s from Ballynacargy and the priest there is Fr John Nally or he might go to the Cathedral and the Adm there is now Fr Paul Crosbie. Would either of those deny Robert Troy communion if he presented himself at either altar? Is it going to be general practice in the diocese of Meath or is it an isolated incident?

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4:38; Is it going to be general practice in the Irish Catholic Church? Would any of our Church leaders like to tell us ?

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There was a time in Ireland when the bishops conference collectively issued pastoral letters to the catholic community. Did the bishops conference collectively issue a pastrol letter to the catholic community prior to the abortion referendum?
If not why not?

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If Bishop Deenihan is away, Bishop Smith is still popping up at things. What has he to say about it all?

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Fr Hogan worked alongside Bishop Nulty when Bishop Nulty was his PP and mere Fr Nulty in Drogheda. What has he to say on the matter?

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Is it unusual for a diocese to have a spokeswoman? Is Meath ordaining women? Or are none of the ordained men able to take it when the heat is turned on and do they leave it to the paid female secretaries to answer? Aren’t they’re usually ordained bishops secretaries and ordained media spokespersons in each diocese – there was in Meath under Bishop Smith

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Sweet F.A. The director Martin Long must be the highest paid but get most useless PR pen pusher in the country. €150,000 for what? A run down on the odd bishops meeting.

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I can’t rememeber the aftermath of the Fr David O’Hanlon debacle some years ago. He is a priest of the Diocese of Meath. But according to Wikipedia (insofar as it can be relied on) many bishops came out against his comments and his own Bishop, Michael Smith, also -according to Wikipedia- disassociated himself and the diocese from them. So, where are all the bishops now? Or what has the bishop of Meath to say? Surely – regardless of what part of the world he’s in – he ought to issue some statement. Is this behaviour to be condoned or not? Are politicians going to be refused communion in Meath depending on how they voted?

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David O’Hanlon is a clown and the controversy he generated was totally different to Fr Hogan’s correct action on this occasion with this abortionist TD.

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7:39

Your anger is blinding you to a wider moral reality here: the historical fact that the institutional Roman Catholic Church, through some of its teaching, has not inculcated in others a universal, unqualified, and unconditional respect for human life. On the contrary, some of these teachings have influenced others to believe that certain human lives can be dispensed with, as if they were moral trash.

Pope Francis, overturning centuries of traditional moral teaching, has dismissed the very idea of ‘just war’, and has declared that there can only be a ‘just peace’. Likewise, he has morally rejected capital punishment as an affront to human dignity. These are steps the institutional Church should have taken centuries ago, because they are clear implications of gospel teaching, and of the moral praxis of the early church.

The institutional Church cannot wash its hands of SOME responsibility for the growing support for abortion.

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I comment most days and I am female. This is turning into a very interesting blog. You always suspect as a lay person that the priest is following a script which he doesn’t believe when he talks to you. I like the new Magna.

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@ 8.32
If your mother was being attacked would you intervene?
In some cases to stand by and let tyrants overrun innocents is wrong. Would you have resisted Hitler or let millions be slaughtered?
Francis boy is a commie. His ways were proved wrong at the expense of millions, except he still hasn’t learned. Now he’s sold out the Chinese Catholics.

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One here. The homo clergy assume everyone is male. If they refer to women at all it seems to be as a hag. Abortion murders female children too, ye know.

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2:26. Your comment is both amusing, foolish and bewildering. Sometimes I wonder what the hell goes on in people’s heads who have been brainwashed by the RC institution. R u that fickle that you cannot see that Hogan has taken the place of Almighty God? He has decided the TD is not worthy of communion. Who made him God? He’s meant to be a servant of God. It is for each and everyone who wishes to receive the Eucharist to decide not some jumped up dictator who calls himself a priest. Get real

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@6.42
And that is where you are completely wrong. It is the ” jumped up dictator”, who sacramentally changes the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. My belief in this has nothing to do with being brainwashed or “fickle” ( are you sure you chose the correct word?).
If you don’t believe the Host is Christ Himself then why do you bother going up to the altar to receive? And if you do believe, then why do you think that anyone can just casually decide that they’ll saunter on up and have some today?
Enlighten me, Do you think reception of the flesh and Blood of Our Lord is for non Christians, non Catholics, atheists, animals or Catholics not in a state of Grace?
I would genuinely like to know where a mind such as yours draws the line.

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6.42: It’s laughable that you and others are condemning Fr. Hogan for standing by his Catholic beliefs! When any TD fails to obey the party whip on issues of a moral nature, they are demoted, expelled or silenced, which in itself is morally wrong. Peadar Tobin, Lucinda Creighton and many other TD’s were expelled or forced to leave their party because of their moral principles and convictions. Why are we not condemning party leaders for this outrageous behaviour especially when we are talking about the right to life of the unborn child? There’s nothing morally good about laws which permit the killing of any human being – unborn and born.

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@ 9.37
Because the shoutie lefti fascists are following the good old socialist tradition: one law for you, and another for the leftie leaders. I remember Maduro’s son getting in some trouble in the States a short time ago, up to high jinks. What? You mean he wasn’t starving with the other Venezuelans!

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This Hogan male is a chauvinist male.
What would he know about women’s medical conditions.What a stupid prick he is.
And how can he possibly read anyone’s conscience.
Silly silly.

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8.28: How well do you know Fr. Hogan to make so ridiculous, unfair and ignorant a comment? You may both agree with him but at least be tolerant and respectful of his opinions. Undoubtedly you are annoyed that he is being faithful to Catholic moral teachings!!

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@8.28
The level of prejudice and depth of ignorance proudly displayed here is just too much to deal with at this time of night.

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What about the F.G.T.D. Josepha Madigan?
Wasn’t she a cheerleader in F.G to repeal the 8th and didn’t she lead her local congregation in prayer one evening when the priest failed to show up to say Mass in a South Dublin church. Is Ms. Madigan being denied communion by her parish priest?

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Buckley, your last few sentences about Fr. Hogan display your moral cowardice. Just because Fr. Hogan lives by the moral teachings of his Church, what right have you to initiate a witch hunt against him? If you had a midicum of his moral integrity you’d beca much better human being. You have created a “theology” to suit your own selfish agenda. It’s all about “me”, Buckley. A selfish, arrogant, self righteous and impoverished man you are indeed! Your agenda is all for your glory, not for God’s glory. He – God is just a word for you, nothing more.

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Actually his action is not in conformity with the church’s moral teaching. It sounds as if his views and actions are more in line with right-wing US cultural warriors out of step with the current papacy. He has no insight into the private conscience of the politician in question, much less, the right to supersede it. One wonders what persuaded him to throw in his lot with that constituency.

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“Praying for those involved in cinema and theatre”
The man – straight or fag – is borderline mental, Bp Pat.

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Bp Pat, I hope Brexit won’t effect the blog and you will still monitor the priestly fags and their faghags and staghags.

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I believe a priest of the Roman catholic church has every right to deny anyone the holy host at a Catholic mass. I find it ironic that you call yourself a Bishop and think it is ok to judge others when Pat I think you need to look in at yourself. Over the years I have seen the extent of your non religious witch hunt against others and I find it odd as you still reside at a home owned by the RC people and believe in GOD but prefer to believe your own words and beliefs over others. No one ever suggests they are God, the truth is the right of a life and the beliefs of the church govern what is right from wrong. Truly I believe in the right to preserve life regardless, but also believe a small church of true believers is better than a church of part-time so called catholics. The very small percentage of disgraced priests (including yourself) vs the overwhelming number of good, defines the religion. Luckily only the bitter and foolish believe in your bullish antics and you don’t speak for any RC. You yourself will be judged one day, I hope the bitter life and passage you have led isn’t the wrong one. I will repent for what I have said and pray for you regardless what you say.

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