SAINT GILBERT CHESTERTON ???

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Booze, cigars and a halo? Chesterton sainthood cause awaits approval
• CRUX Elise Harris Feb 7, 2019 SENIOR CORRESPONDENT

ROME – A leading scholar behind the push to advance the canonization of celebrated writer G.K. Chesterton has published a new book making a case for the sainthood of the “prolific” 20th century author, hitting back at critics who see him as unsuited for a halo.
Dale Ahlquist, president of the American Chesterton Society and the Society of Gilbert Keith Chesterton, in December 2018 published Knight of the Holy Ghost, which explores Chesterton’s life and writings and responds to arguments from those who say he was too fat, drank too much, smoked too much and harbored anti-Semitic sentiments.
In comments to Crux, Ahlquist said when people think of Chesterton, they often ask themselves, “How is it that a 300-pound cigar-smoking London journalist could be a saint? He doesn’t fit the image of a saint, because of his amazing size and that halo of smoke around his head.”
However, while the famed author might not fit the bill of pious saints of the past who prayed their way into heaven in monasteries and convents, he exhibited heroic humility, Ahlquist said. In his view, Chesterton was “a great genius who really had the ability to annihilate his opponents if he wanted to, but he always treated them with charity.”
“He always gave everyone the benefit of the doubt. He never flaunted his great genius, but he always made everyone feel better about themselves,” he said, and voiced hope that Chesterton’s cause for sainthood, which recently finished the initial stages, would soon move forward.
One of the best-known writers in the 20th century, Gilbert Keith Chesterton was born May 9, 1874, and died June 14, 1936. A convert to Catholicism, he was widely considered one of the most influential writers of his time.
While in the United States he is best known for his book Orthodoxy, a groundbreaking defense of Christianity, Chesterton is most famous in his homeland for his Father Brown series, a collection of short stories about a priest detective more dedicated to converting the criminals he catches than incarcerating them.
In 2013, Bishop Peter Doyle of Northampton ordered that an initial investigation into the possibility of Chesterton’s sainthood be opened and tapped Canon John Udris for the task.
Udris completed his preliminary investigation in the summer of 2018 and filed his final report with Doyle. According to Ahlquist, the next step would be for Doyle to approach the Vatican’s Congregation for the Causes of Saints for a nihil obstat, meaning a declaration that “nothing stands in the way” of the cause going forward.
Once that happens, a “petitioner,” meaning the one who formally asks for the cause to be opened, will be named and selects a postulator in charge of carrying the cause forward.
Ahlquist said he does not know whether any of these steps have yet been taken, but voiced hope that there will be fresh movement soon and that the Society of Gilbert Keith Chesterton would be chosen as the petitioner.
“We’re hoping it will be very soon,” he said, but said that in the meantime, devotion to Chesterton continues to grow not only in England, but internationally, with a large portion of devotees coming from the United States, Italy, Croatia, Brazil and Argentina.
One on the main intentions people ask Chesterton’s intercession for is fertility, Ahlquist said, noting that Chesterton and his wife Frances were unable to have children. Other people ask for healing, he said, noting that there have already been potential cases of healings brought forward that could be presented as potential miracles later in the sainthood process.
The main stumbling blocks, he said, are accusations of anti-Semitism and a lack of temperance, as Chesterton was a large man who smoked and drank a lot, and who died after the Nazi party had already risen to power in Germany but before the Holocaust.
Calling Chesterton anti-Semitic is “a very tragic portrayal, because it’s simply not true,” Ahlquist said, and insisted that despite Chesterton’s size, he was no glutton. Rather, he said, most accounts of Chesterton’s life suggest that he ate little, meaning he likely had a glandular condition that caused him to gain weight.
“As for his drinking, it was all very convivial, he wasn’t a solitary drinker, he wasn’t a drunk, but he defended drinking at the time of prohibition,” Ahlquist said, adding that this last detail “has to be remembered, he was fighting against the puritans.”
In Ahlquist’s view, Chesterton was “prophetic” in his writings, speaking to a modern crisis in politics, education, economics and the at-times troubled relationship between family and state, despite having died nearly 100 years ago.
“He really had a handle on a Catholic interpretation of the modern world. The other thing is that he really

PAT SAYS

What is this rush to create saints all about.

Is is about trying to turn men into gods?

There are some people like Francis of Assisi who made a profound impact on the world.

Most people are a mixture of good and bad.

The rush to make John Paul 11 and Mother Teresa saints was obscene politicking.

Let G K Chesterson be remembered as a great of literature.

We don’t need another another upper class saint, booze anf cigars apary.

48 thoughts on “SAINT GILBERT CHESTERTON ???

  1. Since you don’t belong to the Catholic Church your opinion is irrelevant, stupid, utter nonsense and simply an attempt to invite as much invective as possible against good people who made a huge difference to the world, irrespective of their human failings. Pat, you should look to your own very impoverished life. In your heart and soul you’ll find much that needs Gid’s redeeming grace.

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      1. ROFL

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      2. Anon 8.41 sounds like he could do with a spot of yoga 😂

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      3. 8 42: Gid is “GOD” as you well know, smart Pat! A God you supposedly worship isn’t always evident in your mindset. You choose selectively from the revelation of God in Jesus Christ…..

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      4. Take a hard long look at your own text – glass houses Buckley!

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      5. “We don’t need another another upper class saint, booze anf cigars apary.”

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    1. Fly on Th Wall 9th Feb 2019 — 10:19 am

      Belonging to the Catholic Church! That’s the problem hi. So many arrogant buffoons see it as a club or like the Freemasons but. Wise up! Put Jesus first. He came to the outsiders Long live Gid. Who the %is Gid hanyway but

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      1. 10.50: You’re an idiotic and silly buffoon of a commentator….get a life.

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    2. Pat is a Catholic priest…not a Roman one though.
      Praise the Lord

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  2. Interesting choice Bishop Pat, I thought you might have led with McCarrick’s defrocking or the Ealing Abbey abbot’s resignation over safeguarding.

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    1. Yes, interesting stuff happening at IICSA, and apparently the Ealing Abbot Shipperlee got a roasting and it was quite clear that he hadn’t much of a clue about safeguarding and his guardianship over the last 10 years has been abysmal, notwithstanding historical problems in that place. You do wonder that during the time that they had one abbot on the run and another monk in prison, that they didn’t pay sufficient attention to the issue of safeguarding. Thick or arrogant ? Bit of both I suspect. The English Congregation Benedictines are in a whole bunch of trouble, not just Ealing, but also in Ampleforth where the abbot who was suspended over safeguarding issues and accusations of inappropriate behaviour towards students, is trying to get his job back but is being resisted by the Abbot President of the ECB Jamison (who was booted out of Worth Abbey after only one term by his confreres, apparently because he was never about, chasing around the TV studios crafting his media career). Going back further, I have always thought that it would be interesting to dig a little deeper in to Hume and how he managed stuff during his time in Ampleforth and Westminster ? I suspect if he were about today, he too would be getting a roasting at IICSA ? Suave, urbane, posh, etc. etc., and perhaps even a little bit holy…..but I’m pretty sure there was some dodgyness there, perhaps not so much in his own behaviour but in how he dealt with stuff.

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      1. Definitely!

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      2. Indeed, the EBC once so grand and superior has received a relentless pounding. Ampleforth still has numbers but has had one scandal after another, whereas Downside the senior house and once a lofty citadel is in meltdown. Sic transit…

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    2. Has McCarrick been defrocked yet ? Any decision taken ?

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    3. And we should congratulate the Lord Abbot on his speedy resignation a mere 17+ years and a public enquiry after the archdiocese actually told him to ring the police (they could have done so themselves, of course…).
      I wonder what congregation Belmont will join when the EBC collapses in a heap of hunting pinks and cigar boxes. The majority of their houses now are under administrators and Downside were forced to get monks of other monasteries in.
      Hopefully this will cause the media to cast a light over monasteries of other congregations (I mean Farnborough of course but Prinknash has had issues and some very ‘strange goings on’ apparently took place at Cockfosters before it closed).

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      1. 10.45 That made me laugh.

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      2. Prinknash was famously gay when the others were all still in denial. And how are things at Farnborough these days – theLord Abbot still reigning over one Croatian novice? For the record neither house is EBC. I’d forgotten Cockfosters ever existed- did it live up to its name?

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      3. Farnborough ? Oooohhh, now you’re talking ! That Abbot Cuthbert ! It might be a step too far to open that box. You never know what might come out.
        But, seriously, there is something culturally not right about many of these ECB and other Benedictine monasteries. I doubt if it has to do with the Benedictine ethos, more to do with being English, and somewhat top notch, posh, public school stuff. You know, lots of beating of bottoms, rugby, fagging and of course buggery. And a rather incestuous system of recruiting from their own schools in to their monasteries, whereby the majority of monks had grown up in this strange culture, boy and man, and really didn’t come to see it as odd or question it.
        Your question about why Westminster didn’t refer the Soper allegation to the police is a very valid one. There is too much stove piping going on, where one bit of the Church says that it is not it’s responsibility, and leaves it to someone else to deal with. Today, that could be considered as culpable irresponsibility, and I can well think that IICSA and other agencies, including the police, might be asking that question. Abbot Shipperlee was indulgently and arrogantly negligent in his responsibilities. But, of course, other than just retiring after almost 20 years, he will simply slip in to a genteel monastic retirement where his every need will be comfortably provided. Perhaps a sunshine tour ( ooppps, sorry, retreat !) as a start. They look after their own.

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      4. Well in terms of Cockfosters I assume Philip Temple is still in prison. I heard that Anthony Smithwick was sent to a monastery in Italy to punish him for some deed I don’t know (although if you look at the Behind the Pine Curtain site which is about St John’s Abbey in Collegeville, you will see allegations made about his behaviour there), and have since heard he’s back in Britain.
        The two Eastern European monks at Farnborough are in solemn vows, but the most recent yearbook says they have three novices. This isn’t impossible of course, but it’s always difficult to tell how much information about Farnborough is Cuthbert’s fantasy. They’ve also taken in a former member of the Order of St John, which was notorious for strange goings on… I’m thinking of that chap with the unpronounceable name, something like Interroguay?

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  3. Why would the Church Universal want to canonise an upper class literary colonial imperialist Brit like Chesterton ? Let’s get real ! It’s bad enough having Newman heading for canonisation, and he at least had a bit of solid theology behind him. This is the sort of stuff that the Oratorians will be keen on, after they’ve succeeded in getting Newman to sainthood (though sadly no 1st class relics that they can install in their Oratory and bring in the cash !) – in the hope of returning the English Church to some kind of pre Vatican II glory of birettas, fiddle back vestments, lace and old fogeyism. What a nonsense. That kind of Catholicism is a sort of interesting historical aberration, but it is not where the Church is these days. I mean, you only have to go to one of those Oratorian places and see the clergy who are as odd as a box of frogs, not to mention the strange congregations that they attract. By the way, anybody know anything about the Oxford Oratory ? Some little local difficulty there. Safeguarding issues ? Suspensions ? The usual ?

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    1. The new Bishop of Hexham and Newcastle was the founding Provost of the Oxford Oratory, then became auxiliary in Birmingham. Let’s hope that there’s an Opera North up in Newcastle. It’s a long way to go to the Royal Opera House or Glynebourne for a bit of culture. + Robert does like his Opera.

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      1. Byrne won’t have the personal touch like his Mayo predecessor, Seamus Cunningham. The Geordies won’t take kindly to a pompous English Oratorian Southerner. Who advises the Nunciature? Yet again, this highlights how out of touch they are. Byrne was last week gallivanting round the constituency of the Home Secretary. Says it all.

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    2. Chesterton’s prose and poetry are sublime.

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    3. @3:41pm Google, Society Of St John SSJ and various links come up with the name you mention plus the name of the priest now a F’bro monk. I’m quite happy to give you his name and direct links but I made Pat aware of this back in the summer and he chose not to run with it and I defer to his evaluation of the matter and his decision not to run a story…or at least not to run the story for now. It is all quite jaw dropping and I wouldn’t let young / vulnerable / impressionable people within an inch of them! Remember that for safeguarding we’re talking “Balance Of Probability” not “Beyond Reasonable Doubt.”

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      1. google “Society Of St John / Farnborough Abbey”

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  4. Makes sense to regard somebody as a saint owing to the quality of their life, but the idea say that somebody might conceive having prayed to Gilbert Keith and this “fact” would prove his sanctity is total bonkers. Or that Newman fixed it with God to cure somebody ‘s back problem?

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  5. Saint Pat Buckley🤡😂🤡, just not so sure🙏

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    1. The Holy Goat 9th Feb 2019 — 1:05 pm

      I’m slow to cally anyone a saint or sinner, but Pat is probably more saint-like than other bishops. While imperfect Pat is at lease aware of his imperfections – which is appears different from the public image of most Bishops lately.

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    2. Not Philip Boycey 9th Feb 2019 — 2:32 pm

      Lads has anybody heard from St. Hugh lately?

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      1. The Holy Goat 9th Feb 2019 — 5:23 pm

        No doubt he is enjoying Paris’ sweet pastries and watching people who (to quote Hugh) “look like they have a nice personality”.

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  6. I have quite a few Carthusian books. The author is always named as A Carthusian. I think many of them end up a saints but the order does not bother to advertise it.

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  7. Anti-Catholic blog and contributors who have little to talk about other than the Church of another! Go and talk about this church Buckley has formed, put as much energy and money into it as you do into watching our Church. Very sad really – get your own church please.

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  8. 9.49: Never – Pat has too much vindictiveness and venom in his heart to qualify for sainthood. I do find great inspiration in St. Paul’s letter to Colossians when he says : “You (God’s people) are God’s chosen race, his saints…”. We are each in God’s eyes “chosen” and “saints” A very noble title!

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    1. 1.14. Who are you to judge?
      So pleased that you find inspiration.
      Only thing is…you haven’t found charity and love of Jesus with your post above.

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      1. 6.41: All you have to do is reflect on the horrible ugliness of the commentary against so many on this blog, all encouraged and facilitated by Pat. Surely, if we presume to model ourselves on Jesus, we must show mercy, tolerance, kindness, respect, understanding and compassion towards one another. Yes, we must speak the TRUTH and always seek it, but the viciousness and nastiness of this blog is anything but Christ-like. Pat is burdened with a baggage of bitterness and vengeance from past experiences, sadly. He should not ever encourage others to be like him.

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  9. The only way is the Pat Buckley way!!

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  10. I suppose +Northampton is pushing the Chesterton cause because he left the diocese his house (now the Presbytery in Beaconsfield) and a lot of land surrounding it. Waitrose rent part of the land for its car park and all proceeds go to the parish/diocese. Promoting Chesterton would appeal to current snobbish Catholics like Jacob Reece Mogg, Bill Cash, Edward Leigh all incidentally Tory Brexiteers. Probably helped along by the fact Murphy O Connor’s brother lives in Beaconsfield and Cormac often celebrated Mass there.

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  11. Any word from Meath and the communion refusal?

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  12. Edward Leigh is not a Catholic @4.32pm and your facts that Chesterton left Northampton diocese land and money is inaccurate.

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    1. @4,48pm You will find Edward Leigh is indeed a Catholic and @4.32pm is totally accurate with all the facts. Surprinsgly so.

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  13. Pat, the last few days have been rather empty if any meaningful dialogue or comments. It seems you only get a tsunami of comments when your blog is vicious and nasty. Says much about the mindset of your followers. However, don’t return to the base blogging – stay with more intelligent and challenging issues. Today’s is fine but obviously not interesting enough for most. Chesterton was a remarkable writer…veey inspiring.

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  14. Pat Mullaney do love an auld puff on a big cigar and the few drinks of a night with a good Fr Brown Mystery

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    1. 7:22 An ill person in need of professional intervention.

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  15. @4.32 is talking shite. I don’t know why you rely on false info Buckley.

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  16. On the Portsmouth Diocesan website, Farnborough Abbey has 10 members, including the Abbot who is described as a member of the (diocesan?) safeguarding committee.

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  17. Bishop Byrne like Longley is a Manchester lad. Edward Leigh is indeed a Catholic.

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