NEW BOOK SAYS 80% OF VATICAN CURIA CLERICS ARE GAY.

On the day that Pope Francis’ sex abuse summit is due to start, a potentially explosive book will be published claiming to lift the lid on gay priests in the Vatican and the double lives of senior officials.
The book, “In the Closet of the Vatican”, written by French sociologist and journalist Frederic Martel, reports that around 80 per cent of clerics working in the Roman Curia are gay – although not necessarily sexually active – and details how they adhere to an unspoken code of the “closet”.
After four years of gathering material which took him across the world Martel, a non-believer who is openly gay, spent around a week a month in Rome, sometimes staying in residences inside the Vatican or on Holy See property. He claims to have completed 1,500 interviews with 41 cardinals, 52 bishops and monsignors, 45 papal ambassadors or diplomatic officials, 11 Swiss guards and more than 200 priests and seminarians. The book is due to be published on 21 February simultaneously in 8 languages across 20 countries and will hit stores as bishops from across the world gather to discuss how to respond to clerical sexual abuse.
Defenders of “In the Closet” say that Martel will reveal the problems of a dysfunctional clerical culture that is in denial about sex, while others argue the timing of the book’s publication will once again unfairly conflate homosexuality with sexual abuse of children and intensify a witch hunt against gay priests.
Sources say that Martel’s research reveals that while some gay priests accept their sexual orientation and a number maintain discreet long term relationships, others live more extreme double lives through casual encounters and the use of male prostitutes, while others are in denial about their sexuality. He is said to argue that the intra-church battles of recent decades should be read through a closeted gay paradigm. Those with knowledge of “In the Closet” say the French writer reserves his harshest criticism for senior figures in the Church who have attacked homosexuality yet are secretly gay. One of the “rules” of the Vatican’s closet, Martel argues, is that the more a cardinal or bishop denounces homosexual behaviour or same-sex couples the more likely they are to be gay.
While, sources say, Martel does not focus on the sexual abuse of children, he alleges that the secretive sexual culture among clerics made it difficult for them to denounce priests accused of abuse. “In the Closet” claims that Pope Francis has sought to break up this pattern of behaviour by repeatedly condemning priests living a “double life”. At the same time, Martel argues that in doing so he has made the Church an unstable structure for closeted gay clergy, which in turn purportedly explains some of the opposition that Francis is facing from inside the Church.
One of the most explosive claims in the book, sources reveal, centres around deceased Colombian Cardinal Alfonso López Trujillo. Cardinal López Trujillo, a former President of the Pontifical Council for the Family, and said to have been for many years the chief obstacle to the canonisation of St Oscar Romero, is presented as both an arch-defender of the Church’s teaching on contraception and homosexuality while also using male prostitutes.
“It is not always easy to tell when Martel is trafficking in fact, rumour, eyewitness accounts or hearsay,” says a source with knowledge of “In the Closet.”
Among those Martel interviewed was German Cardinal Walter Kasper, who agrees that some in the Vatican hide their sexuality but adds that what most worries him is not sexual orientation, but whether the Church is helping people find the way of God.

Father Richard Sipe produced the list below

English priest text – New York priests calls Spellman Mary

While supplying in the States I once met a senior priest of NY who knew Mary! He said the priests of the archdiocese used to refer to their archbishop as being “on his knees, overseas” when visiting the US Military stationed abroad (Spellman was chief military chaplain). He wasn’t saying his prayers with the young men

PAT SAYS

It would be a grave mistake to think that homosexuslity among the hierarchy and clergy began with Vatican 11 in the early 1960s.

Homosexuality among the hierarchy and clergy is 2000 years old.

But it is more common now than ever.

Why is it increasing?

116 thoughts on “NEW BOOK SAYS 80% OF VATICAN CURIA CLERICS ARE GAY.

  1. That’s a very good question, Bishop Pat. Why is there such
    a concentration of homosexuals in the Priesthood, in an institution that considers homosexuality to be intrinsically disordered. There’s ample opportunities
    to ‘minister’ outside the Church in contemporary society without going into an institution where obligatory celibacy is supposed to be mandatory and where so many have to lead inauthentic, hypocritical, double lives. What is the attraction in living a lie? It makes no sense.

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    1. 12:09
      What attracts them is clericalism: the offer, real or illusory, of power, status, control. The very worldliness the Church claims to be a counterpoint to.😕

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      1. Thanks for that Magna.

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    2. You are all a bunch of vicious nasty queens Magna, the type that most other gays hate and recoil from. So please spare us from this faux surprise of yours over this issue.

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  2. I was looking forward to this book as a breath of fresh air, but am stunned by the list of American bishops, most of whom I have never heard of. On what grounds have they been categorized? We had exhaustive discussion of one of those mentioned yesterday, indeed the grandest of them all, Francis Cardinal Spellman, but the consensus is that despite the tittle-tattle nothing has ever been proved about him. Sure, some have been exposed such as McCarrick, Ryan and Weakland, but what actually is the evidence against say Egan of New York? Wilton Gregory has been supportive of some gay rights initiatives, so that makes him gay? Archbishop Myers, on the other hand, was obsessively anti: does that make him a vicious closet queen? If this is indicative of an academic sociologist’s findings, then we are back to square one again. The closet doors will bang shut, as Church Militant and Old Mother Burke ( how does he score by the way? ) demand a gay purge. What matters is not who is gay or not, but whether we can have an honest discussion within the Catholic Church about sexuality. Doesn’t look like it.

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  3. So Martel got all his respondents in the Vatican to open up to him, a stranger to them all . Even JC couldn’t have managed as much.
    This research is total bullshit! A lesser-known French sociologist cum journalist (so we’re told) seeking to make a name for himself in academe.
    Phhhh!😄

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    1. 1.03: Magna, I agree with you. How can this “sociologist” draw such conclusive judgments through conversations whereb we care supposed to believe they – bishops and cardinals and others – told him their story? Bullshit story and book…..but itvwill draw the hatred of many upon them….

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    2. Magna, have you read the book?
      If not, why prejudge it and it’s research ?

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      1. 10:52
        Don’t you think it even implausible that such apparently senior clerics, not just in the Roman Catholic Church but ‘big wheels’ too in the Roman Curia, would ‘tell all’ to an academic researcher? Why would they do such a thing? What would they have gained from it but the risk of public disclosure or, at the very least, public speculation (finger pointing) about their ‘closeted’ sexuality? Bear in mind that the Vatican bureaucracy isn’t so big, but relatively speaking is a very small community, where everyone is likely to know (or know of) everyone else.
        And speaking of closets, don’t you think the title of Martel’s book, if not a roaring irony, is a peculiar misnomer, given the apparent readiness of these men to, as it were, leap out of their respective closets to surprise a nosey Frenchman?
        The word ‘closet’, in this sense, expresses a deep psychological inhibition to disclose ones sexuality to others, perhaps even to oneself. If Martel is worth his salt as an academic sociologist, then he needs to explain the curious title of his book, since none of his ‘respondents’ appears to have had the slightest inhibition about revealing his sexual orientation. On the contrary, they seem to have lined up to do so.😕

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    3. I’m in shock. I find myself totally agreeing with Magna for once!

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    4. Magna are you Legion or just on the dry?

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  4. Pat what is the names of Maynooth Hetorsexual Seminarians.

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    1. John Doe.

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      1. Ha ha haah!👍

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  5. Kevin Connolly is on the run after the Grindr exposure.

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  6. When I was in Maynooth I too reckoned it was 80% gay with 20% likely to be bullied out the door.
    The only feedback from my bishop regarding my psychological review was his puzzled looking face stating, “this says you’re heterosexual?” I confirmed it and we never spoke about it again.
    In my time in seminary I had a bishop try to kiss me. I has a priest grope me. I had a priest follow me to my bedroom only to be slapped in hus face with a door. As an adult I do not see this as equating with child abuse, just men who like younger men. Theor promiscuous behavioir was not admirable – but certainly does not equate to paedophilia.

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    1. Holy Goat @ 8:03
      What you relate wasn’t paedophilia, but was it predatory promiscuous homosexuals on the make?
      Did you expect such behavior or were you aware of such behavior in Maynooth before entering?
      Do Bishops prefers homosexual men in priesthood?
      I suspect another book could be written called…
      ‘ In the closet of the Irish Church ‘ !

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      1. Predatory homosexuals in existance, rather than in the making.
        I was young and naive; I took the church on face value but what I encountered was oh so different. The shock to my system nearly, but didnt destroy me.
        I cannot speak for bishops preferences. But I can note that I observed that Irish bishops turn a blind eye so often that I’m surprised they have any sight left.

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    2. Name the priests if what you say is true.

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      1. 7:07;
        And who might you be ? Why do you want to know the names of the priests?

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      2. @7.07

        Ya, I’ll name them there on the internet to an Anon. Are you a gay seminarian looking to contact them?

        What I actually did was report them to their bishops and viewed my duty as fulfilled. An adult making a pass at an adult is not the type of thing that deserves outing on the internet. Have a shred of cop on.

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  7. It is very strange, Bp Pat, I don’t know why homosexuslity is increasing.

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    1. What’s very strange is not
      the increase in homosexuality, but the increase of or concentration of so many homosexual men to priesthood, in an institution that considers homosexual acts a no no. That’s strange!

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    2. 8.04 Do they think that the priests won’t be celibate? With gay priests it can all be kept in house and there will be no embarrassing offspring.

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      1. @2.09
        I believe you are correct

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    3. 8:04
      I doubt whether the number of homosexuals in the priesthood, or in training for the priesthood, is increasing so much as simply (and for the first time in many centuries) honestly being acknowledged in a way that would have been unthinkable in the past. What has the appearance of increased quantity may just be formerly unknown (or underestimated) numbers’, in seminaries and in priestly ministry, being declared for the very first time.
      Greater toleration, even acceptance, of homosexuality in wider society as just another, and natural, orientaion in the spectrum of human sexuality has helped to roll back somewhat fear and trepidation among gay people about disclosing their sexual identity, and has encouraged an openness and transparency about homosexuality that has not been known since the Greco-Roman period.
      As that guy down the pub would say, ‘it’s the times we live in’. And he would be right. These times are a period of personal liberation for so many who previously lived in existential isolation through heteronormative role-playing (which is a fancy way of saying ‘they couldn’t be themselves’.).👍

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      1. On good form today, Magna!

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    4. I want to know the names of the Maynooth priests who pressed their unwanted advances on a sem because it might stop them doing it to others. No more cover-ups!

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      1. 8:17;
        And who are you?
        What’s your name?

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      2. 8:17; Who are you and why do you want names? Are you a current or former professor or student?
        Buddy, don’t concern yourself. The Gardai know.

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    5. 9:28
      Thank you. ☺

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  8. They probably are.

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    1. I don’t have to give my name, 8:25, because I’m not a Maynooth priest groping seminarians. You seem terribly defensive. Are you a priest in that parody of a seminary?

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      1. 9:38
        So, tell me, how come it’s of concern to you?
        Do me a favor, maintain boundaries and mind
        your own business.
        The Gardai know.

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  9. Church is desperate for recruits and the job suits a certain type of gay man. Lots of dressing up good holidays, a house, health insurance, badly paid but that can be supplimented, and the job is what you make of it.

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    1. 8:28
      So, what type of gay man does the job of priest attract? What type of gay man is drawn to a life of inauthenticity, hypocrisy and living a double life?
      What type of gay man at least explicitly supports the ‘intrinsically disordered ‘ view of homosexuality?
      Maybe, the institutional church is in a mess of its own making, by ordaining so many men, ordained in ‘bad faith’.
      There are plenty of ‘perks’ to plenty of jobs other than living a life that’s a lie!

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      1. Someone like MJB free gaff, basic wage supplemented by income from patients and their relatives and plenty of time for fun and frolics.

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    2. 35k in Cork is good pay with such few expenses

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  10. Aren’t the Bishops a very human lot after all? All supposedly homosexual – my God, there’s a with hunt against these human beings with probably not a shred of evidence to validate judgmental propositions. All guesswork. Nowadays we can believe what we like. I’m not denying the reality of men being homosexual but we cannot conclude any sinister judgment on this fact alone.

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  11. Homosexuslity? That’s a classic, Bp Pat. Sooooo funny!

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  12. “80% of Vatican Curia Clerics Are Gay.”
    It actually took “1,500 interviews with 41 cardinals, 52 bishops and monsignors, 45 papal ambassadors or diplomatic officials, 11 Swiss guards and more than 200 priests and seminarians” for him to reach that conclusion.
    Instead, all he had to do was pop down the nearest gents to the Vatican.

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    1. @9:52
      You don’t even have to go to the nearest gents to the Vatican!
      Most Irish dioceses mirror the Vatican 80% figure.

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      1. The Swiss Guard would have told him all he needed to know.

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    2. Lollipop Josie 14th Feb 2019 — 5:41 pm

      9.52: So you’ve been down at the nearest Vatican gents having your bit!! You pervert.

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      1. 5:41
        Josie, honey bun, you’re back.
        Jo, I think the poster was short taken, had to resort to a public gents loo for a wee wee!
        Most men use a gents for that purpose.
        Now Jo, remember what Dr. Martel has to say, it’s usually they who protest too much with fake shock horror and outrage are the ones to be concerned about.
        How’s your partner,
        Jackie? And where’s Kerry Eye these days? Now that Bp Pats journey to the kingdom is done and dusted is Bro. Jacque back in the saddle? 💋

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      2. You don’t have to all the way to the Vatican when Coleraine and Portrush are on your doorstep.

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  13. Will a priest, preferably a moral theologian, tell us, why Catholic moral teaching considers or deems homosexual acts to be morally evil or intrinsically disordered? On what basis? What’s the rationale for that view?

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    1. Scriptural. Especially Pauline condemnation of (apparently) homosexual sex.

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      1. 2:14; That all?

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    2. 4:04
      Scripture, principally. But also Natural Law.

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      1. 4:24
        Thanks Magna. What’s the rationale re Natural Law?

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    3. 7:30
      In a nutshell, it comes down to human reproduction.
      Thomistic reasoning on the subject of Natural Law taught that the divine will for humankind can be known from observations of nature, and even from human thought alone.
      Thomas Aquinas believed that, to this divine end, everything in creation is ordered to something, for example, plant seed is divinely ordered to grow into a plant rather than to become anything else.
      And so with human sex acts: these are divinely ordered to produce offspring, which homosexual sex cannot achieve, because these acts were never intended by God to do so. Hence, to the Magisterium of the Church, such acts lack divine order (in other words, ‘are…objectively…disordered’).

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      1. 7:56;
        Thanks again Magna.

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      2. Well put, Magna, and I think you might also see that Aquinas crashes. If the right ordering of the seed were to produce the plant, then it would be objectively disordered to eat the seed, as we would be thwarting the plant’s capacity to develop as designed. The same principle would forbid the consumption of a cow’s milk. A lion can only be a good lion by doing what a lion does, which is to prey on another animal, thereby denying that animal’s own development to the end for which it was created. If that end is to be food for the lion, then it has no intrinsic good of its own; its life is purely directed to utility, which both Aquinas and Aristotle, from whom all this stuff derives, reject as a moral argument. For the same reason, nether believed money could be used to create more, since money has no innate ( i.e. natural) exchange value: it is purely representative and therefore fake. We have conveniently ditched this type of thinking save in one respect, where it has become virtually a matter of faith: SEX!

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    4. Lollipop Josie 14th Feb 2019 — 8:37 pm

      7.05: Lollipop Josie I assure is more than you’ll ever know. A true man! Just have no time for pervs on this blog. And I am not a resident in the country….

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      1. 8:37;
        Jo, you’re at it again, telling porkies! Jo, tell me honey bun, what’s the difference between a true man and a false man? What country are you a redisent of hun? I’m another bro and willing to travel, for true love! ❤️

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    5. 8:53
      Precisely.
      Aquinas’ mechanical (or deterministic) model of the interrelation of divine will and Natural Law overlooked one simple but crucial variable: human caprice, and its capacity for reordering.
      Genesis understands this and, indeed, morally approves it, with its acceptance of human sovereignty over the animal world.
      Good post, by the way.

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    6. 10:10;
      Is there a St. Peter’s in Coleraine and Portrush?

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  14. Of course, it has always attracted the queers, Bp Pat, you know that as well as anyone.
    But following the collapse of the Church in Ireland, it seems heterosexuslits are no longer interested in priesthood leaving it to almost exclusively the homosexualits.

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    1. 11.43: Even Pat’s life as an openly gay bishop does not attract men/women to his outfit! So much for “radicalism” and “progress”. We’re I to base my analysis of the Oratory on what Pat presents here I am happier to stay in the Cathic Church despite all its fainlings and sinfulness. Pat offers nothing different. I am abhorred at his nasty, vicious blog presenting himself as greater than the rest simply because he is open about his being gay. Nonsense. A bogus premise on which to have meaningful dialogue.

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      1. The Cathic Church!
        Who are they and where did they come from?

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  15. 11:43
    It’s only a matter of time before the transsexualitis give the homosexualitis the heave-ho! Then we’ll have women in the priesthood! Bobs your uncle! All sorted. 👄

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    1. What about the gender neutral and gender panda? I wonder.

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  16. @12:01 Holy Goat
    I also entered seminary, many years ago, and, like you,I took the church at face value. I was also young, naive and idealistic. Unfortunately for me, I had to deal with a much older student, who was known by the faculty to be actively gay, who made sexual advances to me and harassed me for months. There were major consequences for me, believe me. That older student was subsequently ordained. All the seminiarns knew him to be a snitch to faculty. The faculty knew my story and subsequent consequences. The moral cowardice of those men was staggering. What I find interesting is,at the time, I
    had conversations with a senior member of faculty and
    former professor in Maynooth, on the precise issues being discussed in the contemporary Church. There’s nothing new under the sun. If I go public with my story, which I’m seriously considering, it
    will illustrate the depth of rottenness of the institutional church in Ireland.
    In my view, it’s probably worse now than ever before.

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    1. Be strong. Talk if you need to talk. The contract to not sue for things that happen in there resulting in an exit from formation is not applicable in Ireland.
      All too often the worst of problems is the senior students

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      1. Holy Goat@ 4:25;
        Thanks. You have no idea of the strength I’ve had to muster as a consequence. Can you believe I’ve had to wait months ( best part of a year) for an Ordinary to make a phone call to a colleague living 2 miles from him. These guys are so narcissistic, so far up their clerical arses, so arrogant, assuming they’re entitled because they consider themselves ‘different’, they are unbelievable and anything but Christlike.
        They don’t give a shite! And HG, you’d be amazed at whose involved, and the silly lies trotted out by the Ordinary. He’s a dope and he’s after digging a hole for himself, needlessly.
        I’m sick of these so called good priests mantra of survivors care come first BS!
        Why would an institution who colluded along with the rape of thousands of children and protected child rapists,for generations, give a crap about anyone bar themselves and their own narcissistic fraternal self interests? You made an important point earlier, making the distinction between faith and institutional church,
        which is corrupt to the core, top to bottom. Martels book, regardless of research methodology,
        will undoubtedly highlight more of the corrosive corrupt rot, which, huge numbers of the laity wouldn’t have a clue about, because they’re too busy trying to survive and earn a living.
        My faith has keep me strong.
        Catholic clerics throughout the western world; they’re are rapidly becoming a wholly joke. 🤪

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    2. Sounds like an ex Seminarians pity party on here today. Why don’t you get together and form some sad self help group and spare us all this self pity. Get over it luv and get over yourself. You sound such a saddo.

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      1. 8:59
        Thanks luv, you sound ever so Christian.
        Here’s a sample of what I’m referring to regarding background and consequences luv;
        rape, crime, suicide, a known notorious clerical pedo, church report, cover up, papal nuncio.
        Now luv, and that’s only for starters. So, I won’t be forming a sad self help group. I’ll be ensuring that what happened to me never happens to another young man aspiring to serve the Lord, ever again!

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    3. Sorry to read your story and I take it the Papal Nuncio you refer to maybe Charlie Brown.. Can I ask that you send the Facts to Cardinal Sarah at the Vatican or archbishop (soon to be Cardinal) Parolin or give all to Bishop pat as there is NO use in speaking to any of the Irish Bishops or even the current Papal Nuncio he has let us down badly.

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      1. 1:56pm
        Irish Jim,
        thank you for your assistance.
        I’ll take your advice.
        Best wishes.

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  17. Pat, will you please enlighten us about the diocese of Meath. Did you hear anymore about the politician being refused communion in Multyfarnham? Do you know why the priests of the diocese aren’t listed alphabetically anymore? Do you know if some younger priests have left or are on sabbatical

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    1. Not Tom Deenihan. 14th Feb 2019 — 5:55 pm

      No doubt Tommy wanted to make it more difficult to track priests

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    2. Do you cut and paste this as it is constant why not just ask the Diocese of Meath yourself as there is nothing to hide.
      Bit boring you constantly going on about it.
      Give the Bishop a chance he is hardly there and it is the web master that does the web sites not a Bishop.

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  18. 10.57 I suggest you check what the Bible says about it, Divine Revelation forms the basis of the Church’s teaching on it

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    1. 3:05;
      Oh, I’m only a mere lay person. I wouldn’t know where to begin. I thought, since so many clerics post on this blog, at least one could enlighten us. Better still, a gay cleric could enlighten us as to why homosexual acts are considered intrinsically morally evil and why the church’s position is wrong.

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    2. The Bible (or rather Paul) states that ‘drunkards’ (among others, including homosexuals) will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Is this divine revelation, or just Paul’s opinion?

      This is not a quibble. The answer really does matter, since, if it were divine revelation, then God is neither all-knowing nor perfectly just. Drunkenness can be a symptom of the pathology we know today as ‘alcoholism’. Alcoholism is an addiction: an illness. And loss (or severe impairment) of personal self-control is another symptom of it. Wouldn’t a loving, all-just and all-knowing God show such a one not condemnation but compassion, as he did to countless others while he was physically present on Earth?

      Which leaves us with the other possibility: Paul’s opinion. Paul, clearly, wasn’t aware of drunkenness as symptom of a pathological condition, so his words here must be treated with the utmost care.

      It is wrong to believe that the Bible is the unbroken, seamless word of God alone.

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      1. MournemanMichael 14th Feb 2019 — 5:58 pm

        I regard the belief of the Christian churchs, that the bible is divine revelation, as a load of absolute bunkum.
        Other than that it’s old, and that some of the N.T. was allegedly written shortly after Christ’s presence, what’s so special as to distinguish it’s relevance as more significantly paramount among lots of other “religious” material both ancient and modern: …..other than that a discredited RC institution and other denominations, deems it so?
        Your last paragraph is spot on Magna.
        MMM

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      2. Many of the mo’s are also alkis.

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      3. You’re spot on, Magna.

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  19. Steady on Mournful Mick, that Newcastle sea air is obviously gone to your auld atheist head. For someone who proclaims no interest in the Church you sure as hell make it your business.

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  20. 5.58: What a load of repetitive BUNKUM from you MMM – since you are an atheist, I’d expect nothing more from you than that you’d rubbish all things Christian, particularly of Catholic origin….and quote that other harridan Magna to “validate” your bias and ignorance.

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    1. This MMM idiot sounds a right clown, the same old same old from this dick. What are they going to do with the old fart when he pegs it? Some old humanist turning up to read poems and play silly music whilst treading carefully not to mention the God word – what a load of old twaddle. Some Ministers actually become Humanist for the day so to collect the fee and happy to deny God for the privilege.

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      1. 7:06;
        Like all farts, whether silent or loud, little or big, including you, who, no doubt, is well able to fart, he’s going the same way as everyone else. Whether humpy dumpy or the de profoundis is recited won’t make a blind bit of difference. He’s not going be there to know.! And some ministers do it for life for the dosh!

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    2. 6:20
      Then tell me, Karl Barth, your problem with my post at 3:55.😕

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      1. 7:16;
        He’s not Karl Barth.
        He’s Carl Farth! 😡

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      2. @7.52pm As you mentioned the word fart you probably would be a typical fart that would run along to a humanist Funeral, take and snatch the fee and pretend to everyone present that God didn’t exist. Not sure what you mean by silent or loud but I’d say you stink which would include your wind. Tootle off now and try finding someone who cares about your farting habits and personal opinions.

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  21. MMM – what get a into your mind at times? Apart from a regurgitated opinion we’ve heard repeatedly, your long, circuitous, over wordy comment is like trying to eat a turnip! Clarity is required. Are you atbyour local sitting at a bar stool? Since you’ve disavowed your Catholicism, you seem deeply wrapped up in its embrace. Residual Catholic values still linger on in your soul…..

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    1. 7:30

      In a nutshell, it comes down to human reproduction.

      Thomistic reasoning on the subject of Natural Law taught that the divine will for humankind can be known from observations of nature, and even from human thought alone.

      Thomas Aquinas believed that, to this divine end, everything in creation is ordered to something, for example, plant seed is divinely ordered to grow into a plant rather than to become anything else.

      And so with human sex acts: these are divinely ordered to produce offspring, which homosexual sex cannot achieve, because these acts were never intended by God to do so. Hence, to the Magisterium of the Church, such acts lack divine order (in other words, ‘are…objectively…disordered’).

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    2. Why don’t you try telling your reason for believing the Bible to be the word of God (if indeed you do believe)?

      Is it because someone told you it is and you’re afraid to disagree?

      Someone once told you that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy existed, but you don’t believe this now, do you? So you can disagree if you choose. So why do you choose to continue to believe in something equally fantastical: the Bible as the written word of God?

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    3. 8:54;
      ‘These people honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me’.
      Are you a Priest @ 8:54?
      You’re post reeks of sin.
      Say your night office or night prayer.

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  22. Pat, did you get your invitation to the Irish launch of the book, hosted by the Maynooth Grindrs Association? RSVP to Room 69, Ledwith House, south campus, SPCM. Needless to say I replied “ja”.

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  23. Who’s Kevin Connolly again? A boy at Maynooth who’s taken a wrong turning? I can’t keep up.

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    1. 7:30
      A boy at maynooth!
      Are numbers so low that boys are now accepted into Maynooth? Lock up your boys, mums and dads, and don’t let them near the place.

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    2. A gay Deacon who had a Dublin Seminarian as his boyfriend for many years and then switched to an Armagh seminarian who worked as Cabin Crew. Kevin is very gay adventurous just ask Mullaney.

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  24. The great sadness of my life is that I was not able to marry. The thought of it pains me particularly on today of all days.

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    1. 8:52;
      Fr. B D;
      I feel for you and your pain.
      I can assure you marriage is not necessarily a bed of roses. We all have our crosses regardless of our state in life.
      May Jesus Christ be your consolation.

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    2. How’s the big end on that Merc Fr B? I hear it’s still not been fixed. Somebody spotted it in a garage near Carry Bridge the other day.

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  25. Scandalously, in the mouth of the abuse summit, Francis appointed Cardinal Farrell as Camerlengo today.
    This means that during the next Sede Vacante the temporal affairs of the Church will be looked after by a man who lied about his knowledge of Uncle Ted and Maciel, despite being a protege of both.
    This Farrell character has a tribute to McCarrick on his coat of arms.
    Francis gets worse as he goes along.

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    1. 9:12
      Am I correct in thinking Farrell is Irish, born and bred? It’s claimed Francis was centrally involved in a major cover up while an Archbishop, in Argentina. Seems to be a case of running with the hare….

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      1. Farrell is from Drimnagh. The latest Francis scandal concerns the recently arrested Archbishop Zancetta.

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    2. Of all the Cardinals in the world, the Pope picked the one to oversee the next papal election who had the most intimate, overt connection to the most notorious, disgraced (so far) cleric of our age.

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      1. 10:28
        Ah, sur, who is he to judge!

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  26. A smooth, slippery and, to my mind, somewhat disingenuous response to Dr Martel’s book in The Tablet by Timothy Radcliffe. Radcliffe sees the book as a challenge to how we might be Church. While neither accepting, nor denying the assertions, he confesses to be being shocked and surprised, and maintains that in his experience priests are happy and well-adjusted to their celibacy. I’ll take your word for it, Father.

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    1. Anybody who talks about “being Church” should be excommunicated for that reason alone.

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      1. I f****n’ agree!😐

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    2. I shouldn’t take a priest’s word for anything these days.😕

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  27. The author is a liar, Bp Pat, it’s 99.9% gay.

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  28. The order of the Golden Willy. A league table of orientation says it all. Th plot is lost. Th whole church has lost the plot. Has this blog become th Willie Watchers club. Beware the hunters don’t become as off the wall as are the hunted hi

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    1. 10:13;
      Howdy Fly, you’ve given me a laugh! Yeah, I think you’re on to something, hi Fly. Their are plenty of willie watchers keeping an eye in this blog, with good reason, hi Fly. And, yeah, I think you’re right, the plot is lost. The order of the golden willie may well become a new religious order, if some of the willie watchers have their way.
      Happy hunting, hi Fly. 😎

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  29. To all of you condemning MMM and Magna, I wish that your posts were as inciteful and well thought out as theirs. The contributions by Magna and MMM are well thought out and contribute to the relevant debate. May I respectfully suggest that perhaps you may be a tad jealous of their wisdom

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    1. inciteful but not insightful

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    2. MournemanMichael 15th Feb 2019 — 12:16 pm

      Thank you Anon@ 10:27. Your comment is appreciated.
      I’ve come to realise the limitations of some of the commentators to the blog. Their inability to appreciate or understand certain matters underpins apoplectic ad hominem attacks, particularly on Magna. I delight in seeing how he runs rings round them both intellectually and theologically. Keep it up Magna.
      If I may refer here to some above comments:
      Yes A@ 6:15 I follow the blog with an at times incredulous interest in the limitations and convolutions of beliefs expressed, and in response to which, A @5:58 I don’t simply rubbish, but pose reasonable questions. The invariable ad hominem responses, A@ 7:06, are indeed clownlike. Certainly, as A@ 10:27 suggests, many are neither insightful nor well thought out. And MC3: perhaps you might get some ideas on lucidity and clarity by reading the comments from the original MC following yours at 8:16 & 8:24.
      MMM

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      1. Thanks, MMM.

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      2. Pompous self-serving commentary at 12.16. Probably attitudes you picked up during your intro to higher education in Scotland and England – that is, after your ecperience of mediocre first and second-level education in Ireland.

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  30. Sorry to disappoint you Sweetheart @ 9.32pm. Say the auld night prayer yourself and have a good big fart when your doing it.

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    1. 10:39;
      In it for the perks, the dosh and the auld dolls.
      The collar doesn’t make the Priest. Not by a long shot.
      Your posts stink of sin.

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