JOURNALISTS WILL BE BISHOPS “WORST ENEMIES” IF THEY CONTINUE TO COVER UP ABUSE.

Charles Collins Crux

ROME – Throughout the Vatican abuse summit, the role of the media in exposing the misdeeds and cover-ups the Church has often discussed.
On Saturday, during the final presentation of the Feb. 21-24 event, a journalist told the gathering that bishops must “choose sides”: The side of the abuser or the side of the victim.
Valentina Alazraki has been the Vatican correspondent for Mexico’s Noticieros Televisa since 1974, covering five pontificates.
The reporter is one of three women, and the only non-bishops, to address the four-day gathering.
She said the press does not need to see the Church as an enemy.
“If you are against those who commit or cover up abuse, then we are on the same side. We can be allies, not enemies. We will help you to find the rotten apples and to overcome resistance in order to separate them from the healthy ones,” Alazraki said.
“But if you do not decide in a radical way to be on the side of the children, mothers, families, civil society, you are right to be afraid of us, because we journalists, who seek the common good, will be your worst enemies.”
Alazraki told the presidents of the world’s bishops’ conferences that she wasn’t only speaking to them as a journalist, but as a mother.
“I doubt that anyone in this hall does not think the Church is, first of all, mother. Many of us present here have or have had a brother or sister. Let us also remember that our mothers, while loving us all in the same way, were especially devoted to the frailest, weakest children, to those who perhaps did not know how to move ahead in life on their own feet and needed a little push,” she said.
“For a mother there are no first or second-class children; there are stronger children and more vulnerable ones. Nor are there first and second-class children for the Church.”
Alazraki said that as a journalist, woman and mother, she thinks covering up abuse is as contemptible as the abuse itself, and that she knows better than most that abuses have been covered up “from the ground up.”
“I think you should be aware that the more you cover up, the more you play the ostrich, fail to inform the mass media and thus, the faithful and public opinion, the greater the scandal will be. If someone has a tumor, it is not cured by hiding it from one’s family or friends; silence will not make it heal; in the end it will be the most highly recommended treatments that will prevent metastasis and lead to healing,” she said.

The Mexican journalist emphasized the importance of transparency, and said that not providing information can lead to further abuse, and that this will encourage a climate of suspicion and anger against the Church.
She mentioned the example of the disgraced founder of the Mexican religious order, the Legionnaires of Christ. Marcial Maciel dodged accusations of abuse and financial improprieties for decades before being removed from active ministry by Pope Benedict XVI in 2006.
“Marcial Maciel would not have been able, for decades, to abuse seminarians and to have three or four lives, wives and children, who came to accuse him of having abused his own children,” she said.
She gave the bishops three practical tips: Put the victims first, be willing to seek advice, and to professionalize their communications services.
“The figure of the spokesperson is fundamental. Not only must it be a highly-trained individual, but he or she must also be able to rely on the full trust of the bishop and have direct access to him 24 hours a day. This is not a 9 to 5 job,” Alazraki said.
She reminded the bishops that it is not the reporters who abused and covered up.
“Our mission is to assert and defend a right, which is a right to information based on truth in order to obtain justice. We journalists know that abuse is not limited to the Catholic Church, but you must understand that we have to be more rigorous with you than with others, by virtue of your moral role,” she said.
After Alazraki’s speech, the participants of the Vatican abuse summit were scheduled to attend a penitential liturgy in Sala Regia in the Apostolic Palace, and the event will end on Sunday at a Mass celebrated in the same place.

PAT SAYS

This is a wonderful contribution by this intelligent woman who gave it, unvarnished, to the boyos in Rome.

Well done Valentina.

This contribution also shows clearly that we need powerful and bright women involved at every level of the church.

It seems to me that the Holy Spirit abandoned The Vatican a long time ago.

That Holy Spirit is now working through victims and the media to challenge the new Pharisees in the hierarchy and media.

Victims and the media are the modern prophets calling out the hypocrisy of the elite and the powerful.

Put Valentina in charge of a new dicastery to oversee bishops snd clerics in the area of abuse and cover up.

Watch how a good bright woman cleans out the Herculean stables.

100 thoughts on “JOURNALISTS WILL BE BISHOPS “WORST ENEMIES” IF THEY CONTINUE TO COVER UP ABUSE.

  1. I watched her talk to the conference live. She was very clear and concise. She didn’t hold back.

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  2. Why are you so worried Buckley about dicasteries and what happens in Rome? You are excommunicated by Rome for becoming a Bishop. It was also correct that the Bishop of Wexfotd refused you Communion. Why stick your nose into the Church’s business when you are not part of it? Stay out because you are not welcome in any Catholic Church. Rome doesn’t want you and no Catholic Priest would ever want to even talk to you. Stop sticking your nose in where it’s not wanted.

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    1. 12:28
      The Bishop of Wexford?
      Is Phonsie the Bishop of Wexford?

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    2. Just Saying... 26th Feb 2019 — 9:25 am

      I for one, as a priest, want to hear from + Pat. He asks some of the questions and brings a perspective that many in our Church refuse to voice. As for being excommunicated….well, that nonsense of fear and control on the part of the Church is ridiculous in this day and age. So, I would not worry, + Pat. Just keep doing what you are doing. And keep living a life of integrity, honesty and transparency, which is something so many of my brother priests and bishops signally fail to do. I welcome your input, perspective, and views..

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      1. 9:25
        Hear Hear!

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      2. MournemanMichael 26th Feb 2019 — 9:35 am

        Anon@ 9:25: Well said.
        MMM

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      3. Why dont you go to Larne then Father and join up? You would lose all your privileges then wouldn’t you?

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      4. Excommunicated. No access to the Sacraments or a Christian burial. Harsh!!! How does a person get this lifted?

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      5. Who would want it lifted?

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    3. 12.28 Such a pompous comment.

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      1. Hello, Phonsie….got to of the wrong side of bed this morning with a bad head ? Take a few paracetamol and the day will look better.

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      2. 2:33pm
        Jesus Christ lifts it! 💘

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    4. MournemanMichael 26th Feb 2019 — 9:33 am

      Indeed Anon @ 12:28, Pat’s “nose” is not welcomed: …..by the perpetrators and supporters of the rotten RC church establishment’s misuse of power and privilege to financially use and abuse the laity, and sexually prey on the most vulnerable. You appear to have completely missed the point of this current blog. While the RC church continues its subterfuges and refuses to face up to the need for wholesale change, it’s journalists, and in his own way, +Pat who lead the way.
      Now return to your sheltered parochial reactionary and insular hidey hole, and give the matter some thought.
      MMM

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      1. 9:33
        You’re shooting sharp this morning,MMM!☺

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      2. 9:35
        Phonsie could pop into ‘The Baldy Man’ in Tramore for a few scoops; then go fishing to the metal man, if he’s still able to hold the rod!

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    5. MournemanMichael 26th Feb 2019 — 12:23 pm

      Sharp Magwa, for it’s needed. Many of those to whom the words of my last paragraph applies: (sheltered, parochial, reactionary), are, in reality big fish in their own little pond.
      Cocooned from the realities of real life many are given undue deference, and have little experience of having to argue their case and justify their perspectives.
      But the “worms are turning”. Bring it on!
      MMM

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      1. MMM, turning!
        They’re wiggling big time!, Man. You better believe it ! 😁

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    6. Who gave you 12.28 permission to talk like this to Pat.
      Get off this blog if you are jealous of Pat’s popularity.
      As a layperson I appreciate all of Pat’s blogs….all of them
      So there !!!!!!!!!!!!

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  3. George Pell: Cardinal found GUILTY of sexual offences in Australia…

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    1. 2:16
      ‘He pulls down princes from their thrones and exalts the lowly’

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      1. Yes!
        The servants of the Anti-Christ, like Pell, are caught like worms on legal hooks.

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    2. Cardinal Pell’s second trial has collapsed, which is brilliant news for him ahead of his appeal, which he will win.

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      1. No, which you WANT him to win. Why? Let me guess: no holy Roman Catholic priest would ever do such horrid things to children.
        You need conversion to the truth.

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      2. I wonder how his accusers feel. I mean if they really did tell the truth about Paedo Pell.
        How fo you think they felt! Hmm?
        Or don’t you give a fuck?

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  4. I saw the film Spotlight a few years ago and advised everyone to see it. It showed very clearly that all this had happened with the consent of the Boston catholics including most of the journalists. They just didn’t want to know. It took some one free of the local blindness to point it out. Until the laity stop deifying the clergy the church can never be right.

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    1. Rubbish!
      It didn’t happen with the consent of journalists. What utter nonsense. Like everyone else journslists wouldn’t touch the story because they didn’t think anyone would believe it, such was the prejudice in favour of Catholic priests.

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      1. The refusal to see what was happening was the unconscious consent of the journalists. They had almost been trained not to recognise what was going on.

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    2. 7:50

      “Unconscious consent” is an oxymoron. Consent must be consciously given, otherwise it isn’t consent.

      Should have thought that rather obvious.

      You stupid?

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  5. If journalists are to become Bishops worse enemies, Bishop Pat, where does that put you? Prophets are never accepted in their own lands!

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  6. Now that Pell has been convicted it shows how far the rot has gone. Right to the top. The RC institution is no more than a circus with Francis as the ringmaster. It’s time this circus was closed down.

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    1. Yes. And the rot, apparently, spreads right to Francis himself, since he allegedly did not deal openly (or at all) with reports of sexual molestation/rape by Catholic priests while he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

      Your day is coming, Francie boy.

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  7. Just Saying... 26th Feb 2019 — 9:32 am

    On the Pell matter, I counsel prudence and patience in his case. Yes, he has been found guilty in the first court, and we must respect that. However, everything I am reading is suggesting that there are grave inadequacies and failings in his initial trial, and in all likelihood his conviction will be overturned on appeal, which he has already lodged. I note that other charges and trial have been dropped because of lack of credible evidence. It will be interesting to see if the judge in the case extends his bail until his appeal is heard, or sends him to prison straight away where he will stay until and if his appeal is successful. That would be an indication of how the judge himself feels about the verdict, which my intelligence suggests he was surprised at.
    Pell is not a very simpatico character, I know, and he has many enemies in Australia and the Vatican, and there is a suggestion that he has been nobbled, but he is entitled to justice, just as are his alleged victims. But a failure to do justice is an assault on everybody. So, let us wait until this process is completed.

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    1. The BBC’s religious affairs editor, Martin Bashir, believes he will swap “the Apostolic Palace for a jail cell.” Presumably, tomorrow when he is sentenced. Others say he will get off with “home detention” until appeal is heard.
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47360525

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      1. He’s hardly a threat to anyone or to national security.

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    2. Very, very difficult, and I for one value your thoughtful approach. I find it hard not to agree with Pell’s QC that the attack in the sacristy of Melbourne Cathedral after a Pontifical Mass strains credibility. Where was everybody else, and did no one wonder where Pell had got to, let alone the boys? To be honest, with such a prominent figure and in the current climate, I doubt that a fair trial is possible. Most people now want to believe that a Catholic cleric is guilty, and the presumption therefore now is that he is. The Church has only itself to blame for that.

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      1. How do you know most people want to believe a priest guilty? Have you carried out a survey or something? And most people where?

        And how does Pell’s rape of one thirteen year old boy and sexual molestation of the other strain credibility? Because Pell’s very expensive QC says so? He would say that, wouldn’t he?

        Do you know the layout of Melbourne cathedral? Were you there when these crimes by that priest paedo took place? No? Then why don’t you just stfu.

        Maybe you’re just an ass who doesn’t want to believe anything bad about a priest because…you’re an ass.

        Oh! And if Pell is sentenced to prison (as he should be) rather than home detention, he may meet very rough justice there. The kind he dished out to those two boys.

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      2. 11.13, You got the stfu reply below from someone who obviously cares nothing for justice, and who revels in the idea of prison rape.

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    3. 9.32: When allegations were brought against Pell and pursued vigorously there were mixed reactions among journalists, even from those who would not be relugious or affiliated to any church. There seems to have been insufficient evidence on some allegations, thus the delay in announcing this conclusion on one account of abuse. Pell will appeal this judgment, as is his right. Such is the hostility towards priests and religious who are all deemed accomplices, conspirators, monsters, abusers and cover uppers that it is difficult to get a fair, just and acceptable verdict both for any onecwho protests their innocence. But justice for victims/survivors must always be paramount. I am trying to imagine the sacristy setting with others around and people passing through that I cannot believe this incident to be true in the manner of its reporting.

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      1. 12:06 do you know how reckless, how incautious, padophiles like George Pell can be? You are looking at the sacristy situation through YOUR rational, non-paedophile eyes, not those of a man like Pell with perverted sexual urges that must, at times, come extremely close to compulsability.

        I watched a documentary on Pell somebyears ago. A caretaker/attendant at a swimming area said he warned a much younger Pell, as a priest, not to return here because he caught Pell apparently exposing himself, penis erect, to a number of young boys starng at Pell’s genitals. Ostensibly, Pell was ‘teaching’ these boys how to dry themselves after swimming. Pell had his back to the attendant the whole time he was veing addressed, and not once turned round.

        Guess why?

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    4. @ 11:46
      Pell isn’t a threat to anyone??? Is your head up your arse? He’s a convicted child rapist ffs! He’s an extreme danger to young boys!

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    5. No, 5:43. He got more than you myopically claimed. He got questions which I doubt if he, or you, can answer…sensibly.

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    6. 5:34 Brennan’s article in the tablet is far from balanced. Brennan stated the complainant said Paedo Pell’s alb had been parted, but said those in the know about albs countered by saying an alb cannot be parted.

      Yes, it can…if it already has a hole conveniently or otherwise made at the right level, and the right size, for an erect penis to push through so as to have entered the complainants mouth when he was just a defenceless 13 year old boy.

      I wouldn’t have expected intellectual rigour from one Catholic priest defending another, just convicted of sexual assualt of minors.

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  8. Or watch how a good bright woman gets hamstrung and demoralised by vatican bureaucracy. Mind you, she’s no rookie, perhaps she could clear the cobwebs without becoming choked.

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    1. 9:33
      Like it Tom! 👍
      Don’t mess with a strong woman! 🙅

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  9. Mullaney is terrified of the Media, a certain journalist knows about the true extent of the trip to Prague.

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    1. We will look forward to reading the evidence. Then again, like so many of your other claims about Mullaney I won’t be holding my breath. Pat Mullaney.

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      1. Hi Brendan, hows everything in University of Ulster Coleraine . You did terrible naughty conquests on younger seminarians. Dysky and Hickey. Dysky is under the care of the HSE mental health team due to emotional trauma. Sean is with his good Mother and Father now and is safe, unless you send Kevin Connolly to bring him back to you. David Dysky nearly died because of the harm you did to him.

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  10. I don’t believe the Pell story. I am critical of the Church but the facts on this story do not stack up. Abused two boys in a sacristy, only one gives evidence, what Archbishop is left alone in a sacristy? There is usually at least one busybody hanging around gawking. Remember the miscarriages of justice that have happened before. I do think this is a stitch up

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    1. 1215 pm. I respectfully agree. The account given by the complainant of the circumstances in
      which he and his fellow chorister were allegedly abused seems highly improbable for the reasons given in Fr Brennan’s careful analysis on The Tablet website. The collapse of all other allegations against
      the cardinal at the magistrate’s preliminary hearing in the Melbourne case, and the withdrawal of
      the prosecution in the Ballarat case, are likewise disquieting. That said, one wonders whether Pell’s failure to go into the witness box and subject himself to cross-examination may have given a poor
      impression to the jury – as it would have to me.

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      1. Can I remind you app that Pell was convicted by a jury who heard ALL the evidence. Its easy to be a far away armchair lawyer.

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      2. Do you, 2:43, know the layout of Melbourne cathedral? Does Brennan? Why do you place such faith in Brennan’s criticisms? How do you know an alb can’t be parted? Because ‘Brennan’ said so?
        If you truly are a retired judge, I’m glad to hear it, because your ability to analyse, to rationalise, raises serious questions in my mind.

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    2. The other boy is dead, you fool. In 2014, from an overdose.

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  11. Thoughtful comment by Fr Frank Brennan on Pell’s conviction in The Tablet. To be honest, I don’t think anybody can be feeling happy about this, though it is clear that the two boys have been through some shocking experience … but in the sacristy with Pell still in full vestments?

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    1. Why wouldn’t Pell be in ‘full vestments’? He ‘penetrated’ (raped) one of those 13 year old boys in a sacristy.

      I would think vestments in a sacristy as natural as graffiti in a public loo.

      Why wouldn’t…in your opinion…anyone be happy about Pell’s conviction? Did you want this child rapist to go free?

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    2. And what was this ‘thoughtful comment’ by one Cathoilc priest on another, convicted child rapist/molestor priest?

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  12. The Pell case is shocking because it’s so difficult to believe,there were allegations about him taking boys swimming and being in the same changing rooms as them when he was first ordained , with hindsight this could be seen as dangerous or innocent , but to believe that immediately after Mass two choirboys broke away from the exit procession went to the sacristy to drink the wine, Pell walks in and lifts up his chausable, alb and he has no trousers or house cassock or underwear on and assaults them is unbelievable, if he had taken them and got them drunk or visited them privately I could see the problem but I am amazed that this can be taken seriously, if he had such a strong pathological desire that came in out in rape there would be far more accusations over his lifetime he wouldn’t have been able to control it.

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    1. Did it never occur to you that Pell planned this ‘encounter’ with the two boys and the communion wine? It is entirely credible on this, and other, levels.
      Pell came orepared that day to sexually assualt those boys. That’s why he was ready minus all that inconvenient clothing. This was no opportunistic crime. The pervert had planned it.

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      1. How could he have planned the boys’ spontaneous idea of drinking the communion wine? And if he had planned an assault why did he not close the door of the sacristy? The story does not stand up at all.

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      2. 5.11: Your kind of mind is disgusting. The whole scenarios is totally un-be-lieve-able. Far too easy to make up this imagination.

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    2. What altar boy HASN’T tasted communion wine. I certainly did. And ‘catching’ the two boys drinking it would have given Paedo Pell the perfect opportunity and excuse to dominate and intimidate those boys.

      That crime was planned.

      Do you know the layout of the sacristy?

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    3. You don’t get it 6:42, do you? Maybe you don’t want to.

      The only thing disgusting here is what that big, fat, ugly priest did to those defenceless children, one of whom is now dead through drug overdose.

      And it’s closely followed by your sense of priorities here: cheerleading for a priest lawfully convicted of oral rape of one boy, and indecent assualt of another.

      Let me pick your brain. Why is this whole senario unbelievable? Can you give me a sen-si-ble answer? One just a bit more mature than ‘oh, he was an archbishop and wouldn’t have done such a thing!’.

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      1. 7.11: Simply, an ignorant response. We are allowed, thank God, to ask questions and to analyse the flimsy evidence around this case. We are absolutely right to critique court judgments, as is done all the time, irrespective of status, position or profession. It is all too easy to make accusations. Let’s await the outcome of the appeal. And, please don’t accuse people who questions as in denial. I abhor all abuse and firmly believe in justice for all victims/survivors. Miscarriages of justice do happen, sir!

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    4. 9:02, how is my post at 7:11 an ‘ignorant response’? Tell me. I’d love to know…before I bury you intellectually. (AND I WILL.)

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  13. I too agree that the Pell sacristy incident is hard to believe. This was 1996 not 1976. There is something not quite right about this.

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    1. Why do you find it hard to believe?

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  14. Every case has to be judged on its own merits. Not all so called, ‘victims’ or those who claim to be ‘victims’, tell the truth. Fact. False allegations can be made. Fact. That’s why all cases are judged on their own merits, where all the evidence is presented and weighted up. I’m defending on one in saying it, so please, no attacks.

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    1. What you have said about victims is one of the worst, most soul-destroying, things a child abused by a Catholic priest could hear. This is the only thing victims of these ‘Christmen’ heard in the early days of reporting such criminality and such unpardonable breaches of trust.
      And now you’re seeking to do it all over again.😐

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      1. 9.44: Miscarriages of justice happen all the time. Read beyond this blog, you moron. Some people make false accusations and they deserve jail for a long time. To be falsely accused is horrendous and destroys a person for life. Fact. Untruths are manufactured. Fact. But let justice be seen to be done for all concerned. That, of course doesn’t suit your agenda!

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      2. 9:44
        I’m NOT intending to be insensitive to genuine victims, of which their are many thousands.
        I’m pointing out reality.
        I’ve worked in this unsavoury area and it’s a minefield.
        Differentiate between all, some, few, and many, regardless of profession.
        Some, even many, allegations made against Churchmen, doctors, social workers, teachers, fathers, siblings,etc,..are true, and some, are false.
        As I said, it’s a minefield.

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  15. + Pat at 2:50…..I would receive judgement if I were you. See where the legal process leads and what is the final outcome. It is far from over yet. Allow some room for developments to take place. That is the whole point of a legal system, to let it run its course. If he is guilty in the end then he will go to prison. Rightly so. If there is doubt, then it is right that it should be heard and aired.

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    1. So you would ignore the verdict of a jury until such time as an appeal is complete… in the meanwhile would you allow Pell to mind your children or your grandchildren?
      The capacity of people to disregard a jury operating in a real court (as opposed to a canon law kangaroo court) beggers belief.

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  16. Anyone listen to Fr. Brendan Purcell on Joe Duffy.? Fr. Purcell thought the present crisis is possibly the worse crisis in Church history; worse than the reformation, and an even an existential threat to the Church.

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    1. Wasn’t it just like this at the time of Chaucer?

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      1. 4:47
        Back in the 14th century in Chaucers day there was no world wide web. I don’t wish to be crude but it’s possible to know if someone breaks wind in Australia real time.

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    2. How can anything be worse than the Reformation? Has this idiot studied the history of the Reformation and what it entailed?

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      1. 5:28
        He’s no idiot!

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  17. Is is too late to book Elsie’s caravan for the May bank holiday?

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    1. No it’s already booked. Tony Wilcox has it reserved for an event at Henly on Thames

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      1. As hard to imagine Mgr Anthony Wilcox in a trailer park, as his late Ordinary Maurice. He’s old school Catholic priest, and a member of the Leander Club. Very pukka, my dear.

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  18. Fly on Th Wall 26th Feb 2019 — 7:39 pm

    The poor auld church hi. Look as an objective organisation the church is no different to the Police, Medical People Political Parties or anywan else. The law of the land should take its course. The Vatican should be treated as a department within the State of Italy. If GB can work with the Monarchy Italy should be able to work with Prince Pope of the day without either loosing face but. As for Christian morality and teaching, as the wather sed to th bucket “well thats a hole other story” but.

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    1. Hello Hi fly, indead hi the law of the land must take its course hi butt as ye point out fly hi Christian morality and teachin, sin sceal eile, fly and the ‘bucket has a hell of a hole’ , 😈

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    2. 7.39
      Illiterate stream of consciousness from someone who can’t spell; can’t construct a sentence; can’t differentiate between homonyms; can’t distinguish between a proper and a common noun; can’t use capital letters correctly.
      Go back to school or find another medium of communication apart from a blog which is based on reading and writing and so requires a level of writing proficiency.

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      1. Fly off the Wall 27th Feb 2019 — 8:46 am

        11:58
        Begorra, tha was a mouthfu of wha ?

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      2. 7.39 Begorra hi, one acknowledges ones literary critique (hi) However one is prompted to ask if the underlying perceived anger in the post is because ones cage is rattled rather than the superficial grammatical convolutions but

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      3. MournemanMichael 27th Feb 2019 — 7:56 pm

        Anon@ 11:58: I think we need to acknowledge that mastery of the written word, especially via keyboards/computers is not necessarily an accurate reflection of ones intelligence, knowledge or ability otherwise. I’ve made the mistake in the past of misunderstanding that. When I read that famous dyslectics include the likes of L. da Vinci, Albert Einstein, and Richard Branson it gives food for thought.
        The Fly makes some excellent observations.

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  19. Ahhh, Wilcox, a blast from the past. Yes, Henley Regatta and such things. Retired now ? Living in a grace and favour in Henley-on-Thames ? Well, he put in the time and has the right friends, so I’m sure he will be fine. I don’t begrudge him. I do remember an eminent consultant (Jewish) at a prestigious Midlands hospital who was married to a church going Catholic somewhere Wilcox was PP many years ago, saying to me about Wilcox: ‘would you buy a second hand altar *** from Fr Wilcox? ‘ ! I think he (the consultant) was of the old school where when you met someone from your old public school, you both wondered if you had buggered each other. Sort of a public school English humour thing. Not that there would have been any suggestion of that from Wilcox, I’m absolutely sure. Have I covered all my bases there ?!

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    1. 10:03
      Hi Fly hi, begorra hi, ye hit th ‘ nail on the head’,fly hi so ye did hi, bye! 😇

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    2. 7:56pm
      Spot on, MMM, hi! 👍

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  20. Just Saying.... 26th Feb 2019 — 7:57 pm

    I do think many commentators on here tonight on the subject of Pell will have to retract their statements in due course. I would reserve judgement, if I were you, until the process is completed. And, my money is on Pell being exonerated in due course. Not that I hold a light for him, or even wish him well, but just because there is an awful lot going on in this case that we don’t know about and will come to light in due course. The trial does seem to have been unsatisfactory on many counts. So, let us wait and see. And, if I’m wrong, then you can vent your bile to your satisfaction, chaps !

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    1. Just saying that I noticed, ‘Just Saying’, that you weren’t saying anything on the points I raised above (5:06)

      Nor had you anything to say on other points that were raised that challenge your pet theory about George Pell.

      Just saying that Pell is currently a lawfully convicted paedophile, something which appears not to bother you too much.

      Just saying, ‘Just Saying’.

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    2. You’re right “Just Sayin”.

      And the cheek of Buckley saying “it’s easy to be faraway armchair lawyers”! It never stopped him before now.

      Just because Buckley’s gloating now over Pell and it fits his agenda.

      Watch that space. And I’m no admirer of Pell. If he’s truly guilty throw away the key.

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      1. He IS truly guilty; it’s why he was found guilty, by a unanimous jury verdict, in a properly convened court of law, in accordance with the Law.
        I know you priest worshippers find it hard to accept such a verdict against a big fish like Cardinal George Pell, Prince of the Church no less.
        But wait til its Pope Francis’ turn. Here is an even bigger fish to catch, since his record on dealing with allegations of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests in Buenos Aires is not above suspicion.

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    3. 7:57
      JS, I agree, due process must take its course. That’s called justice, regardless of whose accused.
      It seems to me, there are unusual aspects to this case. In the bigger picture, the ‘hinges,’ i.e.Cardinals of the Church, are becoming unhinged!

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      1. For those disregarding the verdict of the jury I ask; would you allow George Pell to mind your children or grandchildren?
        … such a question will divide the sheep from the goats

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  21. At the moment Cardinal Pell has been convicted of non consensual homosexual assault on two teenagers, minors but not children.The details suggest a great deal of violence as part of the assualt.The difficulty for most of us is not could a Cardinal commit such a crime but because we are all familiar with the typically clandestine context for such an assault, the general lay out of most sacristies with multiple entrances, the amount of activity in a Cathedral sacristy immediately after Mass, the type of vestments and under clothing he would have worn it makes it difficult to totally accept, nothing to do with his position.

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    1. Do you know anything about the psychological profiles of abusers like Pell? They can be reckless, incautious to an extreme, even to the point of risking being caught in flagrante de licto. So it wouldn’t have mattered to a man like Pell how many entrances /exits there were, so desperate would he have been to slake his perverted sexual urges. In fact, I believe the element of high risk can be sexually stimulating to such men.
      Incidentally (well, of paramount importance, actually), Pell’s alb could easily have been parted if he had slit part of it for the pupose of exposing his member for penetration of a boy. Remember police did not examine the alb, so it is entirely possible Pell had modified his clerical dress for exactly this reason.

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      1. There are albs that have an opening all the way down the side.

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      2. 6.17
        You are certainly the possessor of one sick mind. I would not care to investigate what lurks under that surface.

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