GRINDR, BLACKMAIL AND CONFESSION – THE LIFE OF A GAY SEMINARIAN.

Frédéric Martel on power, homosexuality and hypocrisy in the closet of the VaticanHoly See:

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Between 60 and 70 per cent of seminarians are gay, according to Axel.

Frédéric Martel – The Irish Times.

Ydier and Axel are two seminarians whom I meet at the Mario Mieli cultural centre, in Rome. (Their names have been changed.)

“There are about 20 of us in my seminary. Seven are clearly gay. About six others have, we might say, tendencies. That agrees more or less with the usual percentage: between 60 and 70 per cent of seminarians are gay. Sometimes I think it’s as many as 75 per cent,” Axel tells me.

The young man would like to join the Rota, one of the three tribunals in the Holy See, and the initial reason for him attending the seminary.

Ydier wants to become a teacher. He wears a white cross on his shirt, and has dazzling blond hair. I mention this. “Fake blond! It’s fake! I have brown hair,” he tells me.

The seminarian goes on: ‘The atmosphere at my seminary is also very homosexual. But there are important nuances. There are students who really live out their homosexuality; others who don’t, or not yet.

“There are homosexuals who are really chaste; there are also heterosexuals who are practising for want of women, out of substitution, one might say. And there are others who only live it out secretly. It’s a very unique atmosphere.”

Even many older ordinands are still virgins when they reach the seminary. In contact with other boys, their tendencies are revealed or come into focus

The two seminarians share more or less the same analysis: in their view the celibacy rule and the prospect of living together prompts young men who are undecided about their inclinations to join Catholic establishments. They are far from their village for the first time, without their family, and in a strictly masculine context and strongly homosexual universe they begin to understand their uniqueness.

Often, the ordinands – even the older ones – are still virgins when they reach the seminary: in contact with other boys, their tendencies are revealed or come into focus. Then the seminaries become the context for future priests “coming out” and having their first experiences. It’s a real rite of passage.

The story of former American seminarian Robert Mickens sums up a path taken by many.

“What was the solution when you discovered that you had a different ‘sensibility’ in an American city like Toledo, Ohio, where I come from? What were the options? For me going to the seminary was a way of dealing with my homosexuality. I was in conflict with myself. I didn’t want to confront that question in the United States.

“I left for Rome in 1986, and I studied at the Pontifical North American College. During my third year at the seminary, when I was 25, I fell in love with a boy.” (By his own choice Michens was never ordained as a priest: he became a journalist at Radio Vatican, where he stayed for 11 years, and then for the Tablet,and he is now editor-in-chief of La Croix International. He lives in Rome, where I met him several times.)

Another seminarian, a Portuguese man I met in Lisbon, tells me a story quite similar to that of Mickens. He had the courage to come out to his parents. His mother replied: “At least we’ll have a priest in the family.” (He joined the seminary.)

Another example: that of Lafcadio, a Latin American priest of about 30 who now teaches in a Roman seminary (his name has been changed). I met him at the Propaganda restaurant after he became the lover of one of my translators. No longer able to conceal his homosexuality, he chose to talk to me frankly, and we’ve met up again for dinner five times during this investigation.

Like Ydier, Axel and Robert, Lafcadio linked his career path to his homosexuality. After a difficult adolescence in the depths of Latin America, but with no initial doubts about his sexuality, he chose to join the seminary “out of a sincere vocation”, he tells me, even though an emotional laziness and boundless ennui – the cause of which he didn’t know at the time – may have played a part in his decision.

Gradually, he managed to put a name to his malaise: homosexuality. And then, suddenly, a chance event: on a bus, a boy put his hand on his thigh.

I’m often horny. So many nights spent in random beds – and still this promise to return to the seminary before curfew

Lafcadio tells me: “I suddenly froze. I didn’t know what to do. As soon as the bus stopped, I fled. But that evening I was obsessed by that trivial gesture. I thought about it constantly. It seemed terribly good, and I hoped it would happen again.’

He gradually discovered and accepted his homosexuality, and left for Italy, since the Roman seminaries were “traditionally”, he tells me, the place “where the sensitive boys of Latin America are sent”.

In the capital he started living a well-compartmentalised life, without ever allowing himself to spend the night away from the seminary where he stayed, and where he now had important responsibilities.

With me he is “openly gay”, and he talks about his obsessions as intense sexual desires. “I’m often horny,” he says. “So many nights spent in random beds – and still this promise to return to the seminary before curfew, even when there were so many things to do!”

In accepting his homosexuality, Lafcadio also started seeing the Church in another light.

“Since then I’ve got better at decoding things. Sometimes I find monsignori, archbishops and cardinals making passes at me in the Vatican. Before I wasn’t aware of what they wanted from me. And now I know!” (Lafcadio became one of my precious informers because, young and good looking, with close connections inside the Roman Curia, he was subjected to sustained emotional solicitations and recurrent flirtations on the part of several cardinals, bishops and even a “liturgy queen” in the pope’s entourage – several of which encounters he described to me.)

Like a number of seminarians I have interviewed, Lafcadio describes to me another phenomenon that is particularly widespread in the church, so much so that it has a name: crimen sollicitationis (solicitation in confession). In confessing their homosexuality to their priest or spiritual director, the seminarians leave themselves exposed.

“A number of priests to whom I have confessed my doubts or attractions have made advances to me,” he tells me.

Often these solicitations are fruitless: at other times they receive consent and lead to a relationship; sometimes couples form. At yet other times these confessions – even though this is a sacrament – lead to touching, harassment, blackmail or sexual aggression.

The church puts up with the denunciation of homosexuals, but it forbids priests who are made aware of sexual abuse in confession to betray that secret

When a seminarian confesses that he has attractions or tendencies, he takes risks. In some cases the young man is denounced by his superior, as the former priest Francesco Lepore experienced at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross.

“In the course of a confession I mentioned my internal conflicts to one of the chaplains of Opus Dei. I was open and a bit naive. What I didn’t know was that he would betray me and tell everyone around him.”

Other seminarians have been trapped into having their confessions used against them to exclude them from the seminary; something that is strictly illegal under canon law because the secrets of the confessional are absolute, and betraying them should mean excommunication.

“Here again the church demonstrates double standards. It puts up with the denunciation of homosexuals, whose admissions have been elicited in confession, but it forbids priests who are made aware of sexual abuse in confession to betray that secret,” one seminarian laments.

According to several witnesses, cruising in confession occurs particularly frequently during the first few months of a seminarian’s training, during the year of “discernment” or “propaedeutic”, more rarely at the level of the diaconate.

Among the regular clergy, Dominicans, Franciscans and Benedictines have confirmed to me that they underwent this “rite of passage” as novices. Advances made, whether consented to or not, are justified by a kind of biblical excuse: in the Book of Job the guilty party is the one who yields to temptation, not the tempter themselves; in a seminary then the guilty party is ultimately always the seminarian and not the predatory superior – and here we encounter the whole inversion of the values of good and evil that the church constantly maintains.

Most of the seminarians I interviewed helped me to understand something that I hadn’t grasped, and that is very nicely summed up by a young German I met by chance in the streets of Rome.

“I don’t see that as a double life. A double life would be something secret and hidden. But my homosexuality is well known within the seminary. It isn’t noisy, it isn’t militant, but it is known. What is truly forbidden, however, is to be militantly in favour, to assert oneself. But as long as one remains discreet, everything is fine.’

The “don’t ask, don’t tell” rule does outstanding work, as it does elsewhere in the church. Homosexual practice is better tolerated in the seminaries when it is not displayed. But woe to him who causes a scandal!

“The only thing that is really banned is to be heterosexual. Having a girl, bringing a girl back, would mean immediate exclusion. Chastity and celibacy apply mostly to women,” the German seminarian adds with a broad smile.

While the celibacy of priests remains in place, a gay priest will always receive a better welcome in the church than a straight priest. That’s a reality

A former seminarian who lives in Zurich explains his point of view.

“Essentially the church has always preferred gay priests to heterosexual priests. With its anti-gay circulars, it claims to be changing things a little, but you can’t change a reality with a circular!

“While the celibacy of priests remains in place, a gay priest will always receive a better welcome in the church than a straight priest. That’s a reality, and there’s nothing the church can do about it.”

The seminarians I have interviewed agree on another point: a heterosexual cannot feel completely at ease in a Catholic seminary, because – and I’m quoting the expressions they used – of “the looks”, the “special friendships”, the “bromances” the “boy-chasing”, and the “sensitivity”, “fluidity”, “tenderness” and “generalised homoerotic atmosphere” that emanates from it. Anyone who wasn’t a confirmed bachelor would be flummoxed.

And another seminarian adds, repeating a mantra that I have heard several times: “Jesus never once mentions homosexuality. If it’s such a terrible thing, why does Jesus not talk about it?”

After a pause, he observes: “Being in a seminary is a bit like being in Blade Runner: no one knows who is a human and who is a replicant. It’s an ambiguity that straights usually take a dim view of.”

According to lots of statements I have collected in the Roman pontifical universities, the double life of seminarians has evolved considerably over the last few years because of the internet and smart phones. A large proportion of those who went out at the dead of night looking for chance encounters or, in Rome, in clubs like Diabolo 23, K-Men’s Gay, the Bunker or the Vicious Club can now cruise from the comfort of their own home.

Due to apps like Grindr, Tinder or Hornet, and hook-up sites like GayRomeo (now PlanetRomeo), Scruff (for more mature men and “bears”), Daddyhunt (for those who like “daddies”), or Recon (for fetishists and “extreme” sexualities), they no longer need to move or to take too many risks.

Along with my researchers in Rome, I also discover the homosexuality of several seminarians, priests or curia bishops thanks to the magic of the internet.

Often they gave us their email addresses or mobile numbers out of politeness or complicity when we met in the Vatican. After we went on to record the information, quite innocently, in our Gmail address books or on our smart phones, different accounts and names associated with them appeared automatically on WhatsApp, Google+, LinkedIn or Facebook. Often pseudonyms!

My team and I have managed to prove that Grindr does its job every evening inside the Vatican State

Starting with these borrowed names, the double life of these seminarians, priests or curia bishops – certainly very discreet, but not geeky enough – emerged from these networking sites as if through the intervention of the Holy Spirit! (Here I am thinking of a dozen precise cases, and especially several monsignori whom we have already encountered in the course of this book.)

Today lots of them spend their evenings on GayRomeo, Tinder, Scruff or Venerabilis – but mostly on Grindr.

Often priests spot each other without meaning to, having discovered that another gay cleric is a few metres away. And my team and I have also managed to prove that Grindr does its job every evening inside the Vatican State.

On Facebook, another site used a lot for cruising, because of the diversity of its members, it is easy to spot gay priests or seminarians. This is true, for example, of several prelates that we followed in Rome: most of them were unfamiliar with the confidentiality protocols of the social network, and left their list of friends visible.

You only had to look at the account of a Roman gay well connected in the homosexual community of the city to determine from “friends in common” whether a priest was gay or not. A timeline need not contain a single gay message: the way Facebook works almost always gives gays away.

To escape this you need to have compartmentalised your life – using separate networks and never having shared the slightest personal information – to such an extent that it is almost impossible.

Smart phones and the internet are changing the lives of seminarians and priests for better or for worse.

This is an edited extract from In the Closet of the Vatican: Power, Homosexuality and Hypocrisy, by Frédéric Martel, published by Bloomsbury

You only had to look at the account of a Roman gay well connected in the homosexual community of the city to determine from “friends in common” whether a priest was gay or not. A timeline need not contain a single gay message: the way Facebook works almost always gives gays away.

To escape this you need to have compartmentalised your life – using separate networks and never having shared the slightest personal information – to such an extent that it is almost impossible.

Smart phones and the internet are changing the lives of seminarians and priests for better or for worse.

This is an edited extract from In the Closet of the Vatican: Power, Homosexuality and Hypocrisy, by Frédéric Martel, published by Bloomsbury.

PAT SAYS

The RC priesthood is being homosexualized at a very fast rate. The figure of 75% is no surprise to me. What is emerging is that there is an international cohort of actively gay cardinals, bishops, priests and seminarians.

In many cases these people are in touch and know each other and the way to get promoted in the RC church is to do homosexual favours for your superiors.

There are stories going around at the moment about several senior Irish priests who have had sexual relationships with peo0ple mike McCarrick in the USA and with curia officials in Rome.

It used to be a great tradition, even in Ireland, for older bishops to appoint the best looking younger priests in their dioceses as their secretaries.

This cohort always existed – but now in the age of the internet and apps like Grindr the whole thing of meeting other priests and seminarians is made so much more easy.

Apps like Grindr have a “location” facility – so you can literally tell how near to you another person is.

If you are in a seminary and they are 10 feet away you know that they are another priest or seminarian.

The homosexualization of the priesthood is not a good thing.

It is not a good thing when a 1.3 billion member diverse church has a priesthood composed on only members of one minority.

It is also worrying because this cohort is not about love but so often based on the hunt for promiscuous sex.

And blackmail and breaching the Seal of Confession are very serious matters – both legally and morally. 

 

182 thoughts on “GRINDR, BLACKMAIL AND CONFESSION – THE LIFE OF A GAY SEMINARIAN.

  1. Sweet God! I had no idea Roman Catholic seminaries were so filled with gay men. I don’t get it. What attracts these men to the Roman Catholic priesthood? The incense? The vestments? What???
    In the Church of England I know there are many openly gay men and women who are studying to become priests. They are welcomed very warmly by their theological colleges, especially the more liberal ones. There is no need for secrecy or hypocrisy, they are who they are and want to serve the community in the Anglican priesthood.
    I am not saying our priesthood is any better or morally perfect, I just think it is more open to anyone, regardless of sexual orientation, if they want to serve their fellow woman and man as a priest.
    What I do not understand is how these men in the Roman Catholic seminaries are joining an institution which calls homosexuality “disordered” and there is the compulsory celibacy rule. Now, I think I am very inexperienced in Roman Catholic faith and practices, but I just do not understand this high levels of gay men wanting to become priests.
    It would be like a vegetarian wanting so much to join the Beefsteak Club, or an Irish republican wanting to join the Democratic Unionist Party.
    Any ideas? Thank you.

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    1. You don’t have much of a clue do you? Your gay Anglican clergy must promise to remain chaste and celibate. Do you remember Jeffrey John? I don’t think many keep to that promise in your C of E.

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    2. Just Saying.... 3rd Mar 2019 — 10:27 am

      I think as has been suggested in the article, a gay man going to seminary to become a priest solves a load of issues that confront him, at least initially, when he is being brought up in a Church that is essentially telling him that he and his inclinations are ‘intrinsically disordered’ and sinful. Priesthood, with its celibacy and its male society, gives him the opportunity to box off his homosexuality and to concentrate on being celibate, holy and live in a society where it is not considered unusual for him not to marry and to be in predominantly male company. At least initially. Because, I think the orientation will out eventually, through hormones, drives, the need for intimacy, affection, worth, love etc. And, given that he is in this priestly society, he will be surrounded by others who will be looking for the same. Voila !
      What is fundamentally at fault here is the insistence of the RC Church to continue its Augustinian / Thomistic view of human sexuality, and to continue to see same sex attraction as something ‘fundamentally disordered’, thus driving people in to a life of lack of integration, duplicity and dishonesty. The Anglican Church often fights the battles that the RC Church simply won’t confront – except with edict of prohibition – in particular the celebration of same sex attraction people in their Church and ministry, and the celebration and integration of women in all aspects of the Church’s life, including priestly and episcopal ordination and leadership. Until the RC Church moves away from its present position, such things as priesthood and ministry in the RC Church will continue to be disordered and open to abuse, until such time as the RC Church is honest about things and much more welcoming, integrating and accepting.
      The RC Church really does need to raise it gaze above the loins and stop seeing people in terms of sexuality and sexual activity. However, given that the leaders of the RC Church are celibate men, who will be frustrated and inordinately interested in the loins and sex, it is not surprising that their main preoccupation when looking at people and relationships is to default to the sexual, and make a judgement on people and relationships with that mindset. There needs to be a new theology of sex and sexuality. The Anglican Church, and others, seem to have made that leap. The RC Church is still stuck. With all the consequent pain, unhappiness, and damage. to individuals and to the Church.
      And please, do spare me blood curdling quotations from the OT and St Paul about sex and homosexuality ! I’ve moved beyond those decades ago !

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      1. MournemanMichael 3rd Mar 2019 — 11:10 am

        JS: An excellent comment. Well said.
        MMM

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      2. When Our Blessed Mother starts appearing to those of the Anglican persuasion let me know.
        Until then I will follow what Church tradition from the apostles and Our Lady in her appearances advises us. She has told us that the priests and clergy would become corrupt and that the greatest amount of sin in the world was springing from immorality.
        I put Her and apostolic advice above your opinion.

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      3. It’s just a pity that many married Vicars I know were actually bi sexual or gay and using marriage as a cover. You’d be amazed how many frequent cruising grounds. One such place to find the married ones is near Birmingham Airport. So spare us any lectures from the C of E on sexuality issues. The single ex Vicars who were welcomed into the priesthood by Westminster and other RC dioceses are predominantly gay and nasty queens at that. St Stephens in Oxford was a hotbed of vicious nasty C of E Ordinands who called each other by girls names. So spare us your lectures please, sort your own lot out first and keep your own house in order.

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      4. Yes, very well said at @10:27!

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      5. 10:27
        Is it the case nowadays, priesthood gives a young man the opportunity to ‘ box off his homosexuality and concentrate on being celibate, holy and live in a society where it’s not considered unusual for him not to marry and be in predominantly male company.’ That was probably the case in the past. Nowadays?
        Does homosexual acting out occur in seminary where men concentrate on celibacy? How is the pursuit of holiness facilitated in seminary? Do you consider a homosocial environment, a healthy milieu to train young men for priesthood.
        Tell me, how come heterosexual men are, by all accounts, run out of seminary? What about the apparent culture of the ‘uncle ted’ phenomenon, where members of the hierarchy seem to promote ‘their favourites’ into prominent positions in the church. What’s that about? While Jesus said nothing about homosexuality He did talk about lust.
        Is the Church being hijacked by a cabal for whatever reasons?

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    3. 11:33

      Your sectarian arrogance is gobsmacking, making it highly ironic that Mary should have bothered her eschatological self’s appearing to any Roman Cathoilc (if indeed she appeared to any at all). Then again, maybe she knew that Roman Catholics were in greater need of her maternal ministrations. Recent (and not-so-recent) scandals seem to bear out this thesis, don’t they? Of course they do.😆

      Mind you, I once communicated with an Anglican priest, Fr Ronald Adkins. And he had more supernaturnal visitations, and internal locutions, from Mary and angels than likely occurred in the entire history of Roman Catholicism.

      Crikey! Sort of upsets YOUR thesis, doesn’t it? That God favours Roman Catholicism, the, er, ‘one true faith’?😆

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    4. There are no priests in Anglicanism, their orders are null and void.

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      1. I disagree.

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      2. That’s not what Apoctolicae curae says at 5.49. There are no Roman Catholic priests in Anglicanism.

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  2. Archbishop Diarmuid Martin apointed Fr. Paul Callan fresh from seminary as his secretary and then failed seminarian Joesph Merrick once Paul’s looks started to fade….should I say more Pat?

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    1. Merrick is hardly anything to write home about. A very arrogant young man!

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    2. Mgr Paul Callan still has a parish dodging desk job as Moderator of the Dublin curia.

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  3. I’m gay but not a priest. The seminary world described here is nothing new. The Anglo-Catholic seminary of St Stephen’s House, Oxford (where else?) was famously described in AN Wilson’s novel “Unguarded Hours” where he greatly downplayed it – nobody would have believed the reality. At Allen Hall under the disgraced John Coughlan, nobody bothered to count the gays – a couple were thought to be heterosexual. Astoundingly some notorious active gays had claimed to be heterosexual during their laughable selection process, and this blatant falsehood was never challenged when their subsequent conduct told a very different story. So institutionalised cognitive dysfunction, outright lying and absence of personal integrity have been tolerated, accepted and normalised in the entire clerical system from the word go and for as long as I can remember. Seminaries are frozen in a time warp, playing silly games as if sexuality was something to be kept hidden and laughed about. These men are social cripples, and I am sick and tired of their pranks which are surely no longer amusing. Priesthood has imploded. Do we need it?

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    1. I have never known a Seminary like Westminster’s Allen Hall. It was always notorious and a total den of filth, iniquity and hedonism. Fancy having a place next to the Kings Road in Chelsea? It was not unusual for Sems to be picked up outside the front door by playboys in flash sports cars. Some Sems spent most of their time in the flesh pots of Soho or cruising Clapham common, Hampstead heath or the Brompton Road graveyard.

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      1. Who were these ‘playboys’?

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      2. Those places sound classier than an A1 layby, the Giant’s Ring or the gasworks at Mount Stewart.

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    2. 12.10 Thank you a thousand times for your input. I don’t go to church any more and it has taken me three years to recover from it’s toxic culture. As a lay woman I was put under tremendous pressure to get more deeply involved at a higher level. I ignored them and was called cynical, judgemental, lazy, sinful and lacking humility. Any sane person knows something is rotten at the core of the church. Priests.. who needs them.

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      1. 9.54: Tell us more about your discovery. In my almost 30 years as a Priests, I can attest to the many bullying lay parishioners who thoughtbthey were the absolute owners of the parish. Some induviduals in positions of administration, secretarial and other important areas of parish life act like despots, turning many good parish volunteers away. I arrived in a parish ince and within my first few days I was told by a very noteworthy parishioner that – “I needn’t think that I could change things around here like the guy before you”. (His very words). He didn’t win the war. Presently I know of 4 cases taken against secretaries and sacristans for their harrassment and bullying of priests and parishioners. So don’t ignore other elephants in the room! (Strange as it is, in all 4 cases, it’s women…). All bullying and abuse is repugnant and totally unacceptable. We must act with zero tolerance. The characterisation of all priests as gay is unfair. The narrative as written on this blog suggests that being gay/homosexual is equivalent to being a potential abuser. Unjust and unfair, not just to clerics but to all gay people.

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    3. @12:10am No, not as a seperate caste. We are all Priests. Congregations should choose willing women and men from their own ranks to lead public services and celebrate Eucharist. All should feel free to do so privately.

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      1. @ 12.11
        Bollocks! And that’s from a lay woman.

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      2. Ah, Someone, so good to see the money on that Swiss finishing school was not wasted!

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      3. I used the reply facility via the notification bell symbol (Top Right) for the first time and mistakenly thought the charming Anon 3:58’s username was “Someone!” lol. I do beg your pardon 3:58. 🙂

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      4. I thought you were a Protestant minister now, Tom, or am I mistaken?

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      5. 12.11 You are right Tom. That is from another lay woman.

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  4. The homosexualisation of priesthood is not a good thing… So you express in your Pat says piece. What are you doing as a gay, homosexual priest? Why do you advocate then for the Church to be open to and welcoming of gay men? Would you refuse 10 gay men of sincere vocation to your Oratory if they wanted to join? You are confused and before you lecture others on your moral righteousness because you are in an open gay relationship, spare the rest of us your condemnation of our journey with our sexuality. You were in that place of darkness and struggles once, so have some kindness and understanding. Let you not forget: your sexuality was evident in Clonliffe!! Read very carefully this Sunday’s gospel and apply Jesus’s words to yourself first and foremost.

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    1. The Holy Goat 3rd Mar 2019 — 9:37 am

      Congratulations, you have missed the point. There is a difference between a gay man being a priest and the homosexualisation of priesthood.
      At the current time it is near impossible for heterosexual men to be ordained. The result is a priesthood that is alien to the pews. Additionally the close proximity of all gay environments supports covert and non-covert sexual activity so much that the obligations of celibacy and chastity are clearly not aspired to in seminary communities.

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    2. @ 11.06
      And yet the ‘ progressive and enlightened’ on this blog keep harping on about lay involvement and lay led Church. They won’t listen when anyone points out the obvious. Power rather than holiness rises to the top, like scum, in many instances.

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    3. @ tom Wood 5.10
      What a moronic retort. Go and start up your own little sect. Make the rules up as you go along. Sodomize all ye want and then join hands and sing hallelujah if it has your desired effect of making ye feel good. You know it all, more than God Himself.
      Fool.

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      1. LillieThe Crack Bat 3rd Mar 2019 — 7:40 pm

        6.05: I agree. Tom Wood is an idiot trying to be funny. Tom, stay in your day job.

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      2. @6:05 (God Herself)

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      3. Actually Tom. Your reply was witty and polite, the antithesis of the obnoxious reactionary you answered. Good for you and well done. The moronic reaction which followed yours at 6:05 is a pathetic specimen of delusion – especially that of thinking God is on her side.

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      4. Anon@ 6:05: That you miss the irony in your haste to vent your spleen simply demonstrates the limitations of your capacities.

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    4. @5:44pm I’ve been greatly inspired by the teachings Of Fr Sean O’Laoire and his congregation C.O.J. Companions On The Journey. He is not a cult leader and within his homilies he encourages others to form their own worshiping communities, independently. He has no wish to franchaise. Although his journey saw him ordained within the RCC he sees us all as baptised in our mothers amniotic fluid and our priestly anointing in the vaginal juices of our birth. I concur! However our views are not always aligned and he does not expect this encouraging all to form their own cosmology. So…! To your question… I wanted to coalesce others into a similar organisation. I would have chosen “Brother” but I would not want to alienate the gender non conforming. “Friend” is used by the Quakers and “Companion” in the UK by Emmaeus. Reverend is a great gender neutral term and a great reminder as to one’s aspiration! I became ordained in The Universal Life Church so as not to give the impression of impersonating any other denomination and suggest others joining me may wish to do likewise. I have more than a soft spot for Universalist traditions, like Unitarianism for example. “Mayday Community” is our fellowship and worshiping community and proceeds from Mayday Self Help Groups the mental health support group I have been involved with for 25 years. We walk the walk in our support groups and the one or two currently interested, talk the talk in our worship services.
      Am I a Protestant Minister? Yes! But quite a catholic one! Namaste!
      (ps My knowledge of Fr Sean is from his online materials. I have not made personal contact to date.)

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      1. @11.25
        So you have been ordained twice? Once in your mother’s ” vaginal juices” ( whatever they are) and then once again as a minister. I thought you didn’t believe in priests and ministers, so why did you go and get ordained then?
        If l’m born by Caesarian have I missed out on being ordained by ” vaginal juices”? – asking for a friend.
        If I’m born of a surrogate’s ” vaginal juices” does that matter? – asking for another friend.
        Westfield Baptist Church is an independent little home church grouping too. I’m sure you laud their Spirit and following of Christ. Who needs millenia of biblical scholarship and tradition. Way to go!

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  5. Hi Pat, is Michael Byrne continuing to reiside in a Dublin Parocially hse.

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    1. The Holy Goat 3rd Mar 2019 — 9:38 am

      As an ordained transitionary deacon of dublin provision of such accommodation is a canonical obligation for Dublin so I would hope that is where he resides

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    2. @ 8.46 Tom Wood
      More moronic commentary.
      By the way, I see your Swiss finishing school didn’t manage to teach you how to spell ‘ separate.’
      YOU are the one trying to change Biblical wisdom to allow yourself to sodomize without feeling guilty; YOU are the one trying to be your own god.
      Dress up what you think are smart remarks anyway you like, you are your own little church worshipping your own little idol. Think that was foreseen in prophecy too – the church built by man, where each person took out their own little personal idol.
      You are a small man with a small intellect and even smaller insight and wisdom.

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      1. 9:29pm I apologise for the “Swiss Finishing School” attempt at a humorous reply to your abusive remark. I should have put it plainly from the start. You are very rude.

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    3. @ 9.30
      God wants me on HIS side, and I’m happy to be there.

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    4. @ 11.39 Danny D
      Nothing limited about my capacities – just had a bellyful of homosexuals trying to intellectualise their predilections. Are you one of them?
      The rest of us can’t be arsed faux debating with ye’s.
      Beyond tiresome.
      Just waiting for the “transsexuals” to start. Saw one the other day had changed again to have his nipples removed as he is now an ‘agender alien’. Do you think he was always an alien just born in the wrong body?
      I’m sure you and Wood could spout tomes on it.
      Men and women taking turns to celebrate the Eucharist! Consecration? Wood thinks it’s passing round nibbles. God help the crathur.

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  6. Why is there such a high concentration of gay men in the Catholic priesthood? To sort out their sexuality or come to terms with their sexuality ,sexual identity and struggles? I would have thought the last place for sorting such issues is in the Catholic priesthood, in an institution which considers homosexual acts intrinsically disordered and demands obligatory celibacy.

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    1. Obviously, no one else wants to do it now despite it being a totally discredited occupation by people like Pell.

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      1. Cardinal Pell is the victim of a miscarriage of justice.

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      2. @ 11.57
        You chose the wrong exemplar. Cardinal Pell is a scapegoat, but you have any number of others to choose from.

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    2. 3:23
      Pell, in my opinion, should not have been convicted largely on uncorroborated testimony (even though an Australian jury is entitled to convict should it find a witness believable), but there was no miscarriage of justice. Pell is where he ought to be morally if not legally: in prison.
      Pell is a dangerous paedophile.

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      1. @ 4.57
        And just how would you know Magna?
        Did the Holy Ghost tell you?
        Save billions in legal aid – stop all court cases and just ask Magna. He thinks he is Jesus Christ,who ” never needed evidence about any man, but could tell what a man had in him.”
        Magna the magnificent. Funny how the truth is always what suits Magna’s psychology.

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      2. 4.57: Maggie, give us all the corroborated evidence you have found to make so conclusive a judgment. Try to formulate a response that’s not drink fuelled. Some Australian papers are questioning the legality of Pell’s convictions with some journalists asking very serious questions. You should evaluate all the facts before you summarily dismiss and condemn.

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      3. There will be loads of seminarians and ordained who have been… well, let’s just say, “promoted” by Pell at some point. He’s kept it mostly in-house like KOB.

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    3. And funny that some people (why, like you, 6:13!) keep running away from truths they’d rather not accept, since it implodes their worldview.😆

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      1. KC and the sunshine band; give it up baby give it up! 3rd Mar 2019 — 7:40 pm

        6:13 Doesn’t seem to be able to differentiate between opinion and divine revelation. Cognitive dissonance is
        developing.

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      2. MC, whichever of you is out today, implode is not a transitive verb. Better wait till another of your number is on duty.

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      3. @ 6.44 Magna
        More bollocks. The Catholic hierarchy is riddled with homosexuality and all sorts of ‘philia. They’re morally pox ridden. Pell is, however, a sacrificial lamb to present-day Victoria’s licentiousness.

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    4. 9:34
      I do hate to correct your comment on social media😆, but ‘implode’ is used transitively as well as intransitively.
      (Just finishin’ yer eddication, like.😆)

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      1. @12.25 Magna
        Wrong again! We are not in U.S.A. English does not allow ‘implode’ to be used in this way.
        Will you be spelling it ‘ color’ and talking about ‘al-oom-in-um’ next?

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  7. 8.01: Aren’t you the nosey early worm trying to catch some juicy news! What a preoccupation. A bizarre obsession with M. Byrne. Utterly bizarre. Says more about you than M. Byrne. (Parochial house – spelling!!!). Suggesting you haven’t much between your ears at this hour of the morning….

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    1. Who is this cover up merchant at 09:43 who “obsessively” trawls this blog to find a reference to a cleric about whom perfectly legitimate questions are being asked, and makes some pathetic attempt to shut down inquiry by accusing the poster of being “thick” or “obsessive” ? What’s going on in your life that you’ve nothing else to on a Sunday morning than bitch about others who are doing exactly what you’re doing? You could always go to Mass or take the dog out.

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      1. 10.29: You are bizarrely obsessive and weirdly focused on M. Byrne. Get over him. Leave him alone. You are infantile in your stupid questions about this man. Or do you enjoy fantasing about him? Does his very name give you the thrill of the day? Incidentally, I didn’t use the word “thick” in my 9.43 post, but since you ascribe it to me – yes, you are “thick”….and “obsessive”.

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    2. @ 7.40 KC
      Illogical response.
      Magna is the one jailing people on his opinion which he thinks is infallible.
      My opinion is based on logic and facts.

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  8. The author, Frédéric Martel “researched his book over four years. Some 1500 people were interviewed off the record at the Vatican and in 50 countries. They included 41 Cardinals, 52 Bishops, foreign ambassadors and other key members of the Catholic hierarchy. All interviews were face-to-face. In addition, more than 1000 books and articles were studied. Some 80 researchers, and advisers were mobilised to aid the research in 30 countries.”
    Give me break, Bp Pat, the guy’s a wanker. You’re surely not going to buy it?

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    1. No footnotes, no index, no list of sources, no bibliography, no maps or illustrations, very little in the way of hard, verifiable fact. The French way of doing “fact-based” writing very often falls short of the mark.

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      1. It is currently No 636 on Amazon Best Seller List! LOL.

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      2. 9:59& 10:36
        FYI
        Sources and bibliography will be available on the website Sodoma. fr on March 11, 2019. Team of researchers to be added to website soon.

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  9. Sounds like perfect bedtime reading for Fr Marsden.

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    1. In between wanks.

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  10. Magna Carta's Mum 3rd Mar 2019 — 10:12 am

    Magna darling, I’m still upset that my darling son wasn’t gay enough to be a priest. In fact I’m so upset I’m thinking of throwing in my irregular episcopal orders and becoming a Wiccan!

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    1. We’ll go together, dearest.😆

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    2. Sister Mary Gondotti: (The aunt): 3rd Mar 2019 — 10:45 am

      19.12: Magna’s Mum: Don’t give up in your dream of having a priest gay son. Surely Bishop Pat in his benevolence and openness will take him on board. We’re surprised you haven’t received a call yet from the Oratory. Wonder if Wee Magna is gone all shy on you and fears being preyed upon or that he might let loose himself.!!We Cartas stick tigether, so if he should go to the Oratory to begin his formation, remember there are bouncers to protect him. Failing thatvremenber me, his auntie: I’ve a black belt in karate and dare anyone touch him, they’re dead…..

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      1. Magna Carta's Mum 3rd Mar 2019 — 11:42 am

        Magna darling, far from the Oratory calling you, Professor Ronald Hutton just left you a message to ring him! Please, darling, put in a good word for mummy. High Priestess would just about fit my ambitions!

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    3. Canon Matt Hep 3rd Mar 2019 — 12:23 pm

      Reminds me of the time Mrs, Gilhooly, God rest her, was putting on the 1986 Christmas play, Oliver! your Magna was cast as one of the orphan boys. but lord bless us and save us didn’t he kick up a big fuss.
      I’ll never forget the sight of him kicking the shins of you outside the parish hall because he wanted to have a larger part. Poor Mrs. Gilhooly explained to him that the parts of Fagan and Bill had to played by the older boys, but Magna didn’t want those parts, he wanted to be NANCY!
      Eventually Mrs. Gilhooly had to give him the part. but what a cracking performance he put on. Up on the stage belting out “as long as he needs me” Smashing!
      Mind you, the Belfast telegraph said he was the most convincing Nancy they’d ever seen !!!!!!! 😉

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      1. The joke here is centred on the use of Nancy boy as a derogatory term for a gay man, it’s 2019 not It ain’t half hot mum in 1979 gay men do not have to hate themselves or be effeminate in the real world things have changed don’t get stuck in a rut

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      2. And the Belfast Telegraph never gets it wrong! 👱
        😆

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      3. The papal nancymo at Paris would be an excellent understudy for Nancy… and Shani Wallis too!

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      4. the anti-humor police cadet is out in force @ 1:54

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      5. 1:54 anonymous, are we butt hurt?

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      6. LillieThe Crack Bat 3rd Mar 2019 — 4:37 pm

        12.23: Thank you for the laugh at Magna’s – NANCY – expense! Wonderful and apt. The great NANCY BOY MAGS…😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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      7. @1:54
        You’re right, of course, but we are dealing with an anti-gay organisation run by evil queens. It is beyond parody, so anything goes.

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    4. Magnolia Carta 3rd Mar 2019 — 3:28 pm

      Mammy, I’ll call over after the dinner. can ya make sure Magna isn’t there, he frightens the kids.

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      1. The post @ 3:34 was NOT from the authentic original user name Kool Cat.

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      2. Magnolias Mammy 3rd Mar 2019 — 4:04 pm

        3:28
        Don’t worry magnolia deary , none of us can tolerate the kubs you hang out with! I’m off out luv .

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      3. @ 4:37
        Lillie, where you been, luvee? Have you been bat crackin again? I didn’t know you fancied the girls lillie.
        Nancy is an Anne or Anna, Lillie. And there was I thinkin we were going to be an item.
        How’s Kerry one eye and co.? Tell them I said heelo!😂

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    5. 1:54
      Is Canon Heartburn THAT old? Why, he looks fresh as, well, a recently poured brandy from his profile pic.😕
      He wouldn’t be telling porkies about his age, would he?
      Not a man of the cloth, surely?😆

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      1. 4:22 Looks very like John Elton.

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      2. Is this the ex-cleric Stephen….?

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    6. Hurrah! 💃 Lillie The Crackpot’s back! 😅

      Did your rehabilitation run its course, Lillie?

      Remember: meds every day keep the lads in white coats away.

      So keep popping them little blue pills.👍

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  11. The matter naming Fr Tony Wilcox, in recent days is worrying. Is Cardinal Vincent Nichols covering up or not admitting to an apparent crime. A young man was punished. Fr Anthony Wilcox was involved with him in Birmingham. A computer with criminal content. The young man was charged and punished. Wilcox avoided accusation. But he is right in there. Equally guilty. Nichols knows. Iccsa has not been informed.

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    1. Are you trawling for information regarding Mgr Wilcox? What do you mean “involved with a young man”? Given most of us are apparently thick on this blog, you’ll have to be less coy. Talking of Birmingham, any news of Daniel? I’m surprised someone hasn’t sprung a leak by now.

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      1. Another Daniel who ever he is obsessive.

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  12. God spare us please this pitiful attempt at humour by the repulsive sicko MC. What have we done to endure this total shite? 3 different posts and 3 different names used by MC – Sunday is usually a day where this slime attempts to take over the blog for the entire day and o boy he has started off early. Wait now for the predictable Magwa, kool kat and fly gobshites to spew their disapproval of criticism against the MC composite.

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    1. I’m innocent of that charge, sir!
      May God strike me dead, resurrect me, and strike me dead again.😆

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    2. 12:06
      Krap alert…! Krap alert…! Krap alert! Lol 😂
      I was waiting for a Kub from the kooky Kollared klub of kayenooth to put in an appearence!😅
      Whose your puppet master kubby? 😆 The Kub is even threatening the smokescreen of slime! 😆

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  13. The real point here is not homosexuality. It’s hypocrisy on a massive scale

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    1. I trust this is the raison d’être of Bp Pat’s blog?

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    2. Oscott College is the home of the nasty, fat queens there is no attempt at any form of discipline at all, the laziest bunch you could meet, any academic work is straight off Wikipedia, the bar is notorious and has been for decades, all of them are on their mobile phones night and day when they aren’t watching reality television it’s the most secular and boring version of life possible. You could leave after lunch on Tuesday and no one would know where you were until Thursday morning but they have great psychological support so that’s alright, just look at the photos they speak volumes the place wants shutting down but it has millions in endowments still it won’t be there in twenty years unless it becomes a mosque

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      1. I’ve just been on their Facebook and the statue of Our Lady is already wearing a burqa:
        https://m.facebook.com/oscottcollege/photos/a.511941712243443/1462371813867090/?type=3&source=54
        In all seriousness I don’t think they look excessively gay?

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    3. @1.45
      No,but you’d obviously like to think so.

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  14. 11:06
    Doesn’t surprise me at all. It’s the ‘ give a man or woman a hat’ phenomenon. Power hungry human nature manifesting in some individuals. That’s why some of these types gravitate towards such positions.

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    1. @ 2.02 Kool Cat
      But Tom Woods wants to have them consecrating the Eucharist and saying Mass.
      Can you just imagine!
      I’m saying it. No, I’m saying it! No, I’m saying it! It’s my chalice, so I’m taking it and going home then! 😛

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      1. 9:51 I consecrate along with the priest at every mass! In my head!

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  15. A couple of year’s ago I stayed the night in Maynooth as a guest of a northern seminarian. It was all above board, I was signed and nothing happened.
    However the locator on Grindr revealed that there was another Grindr user 6 metres away (must have been in the room next door), plus another 11 metres away, and one 118 metres distant.
    I got a message and a separate wink but I ignored them.

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    1. You play hard to get don’t you dear

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      1. Treat them mean to keep them keen.

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    2. Jessica Fletcher 3rd Mar 2019 — 3:43 pm

      other guests stay there too. the library is roughly 118 metres away and at times is opened until 2am.

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      1. 3:43
        Sounds like you frequent.
        Open till 2am for pickups?

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      2. I stayed in one of the private seminary guest rooms in St Mary’s house, not the b&b type rooms elsewhere in the campus which are open to the paying public including hen parties, unmarried couples and married men conducting affairs. That’s what the sems told me.

        There was only one other guest that night, a Westminster sem. Maybe it was he who sent the wink?

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      3. What time does the German Department shut?

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  16. What’s the Irish connection to McCarrick? Where and when….

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    1. @ 2.26
      Well obviously Farrell for a start!!!!!!

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      1. 4:11
        Go on…..

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    2. Did anyone mention the memorial to family members he contributed to? It’s near the JPII library in Maynooth.

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  17. Ah Pat Mullaney is gutted with the closing of Le Cafe des Bums Bums on Mill St ‘twas so handy for the homebaked sweet treats daily delights and delicious temptations of a day and then across the street to the Roost for the few drinks and home in time for the Soaps Pat Mullaney is heart scalded so she is and says she could we start a petition for tis a tragic loss to the local industries declare til God

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    1. 2:29
      Thank God. There’s a God after all.

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    2. Another Pat Mullaney inane alert.

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  18. Where is Michael Byrne gone Pat

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    1. Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      as was mentioned yesterday, canon law has an obligation to look after him

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      1. @3:00
        I have an obligation to let MB know it is you making these comments Brendan Marshall. The IP address gives me your location. 🙂
        Pat

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    2. If there is a comment about Mullaney, Maynooth, Cafe Bon Bon, Kevin Connolly, M. Byrne or S. Jones etc etc, it is written by Brendan Marshall. He needs mental help!!!

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  19. Pat, change your email password again, I’ve just had an email purportedly from you, saying you’re in the US and being threatened with prison!

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    1. I know. I am dealing with outlook about it. Sorry.

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    2. yes i got an email form pat as well about how i bought something from amazon. i just clicked it as junk mail

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  20. 12:06
    My big Sister Magdalena will sort out the Kubby Klub.😆
    I’m out for a puff puff puff of el dopa! Yer only man! 🌱😎😇

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    1. @ 3.15
      You’ve got Parkinson’s then?
      Low on the dopamine?

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  21. Pat two American Dioceses have commenenced an inquiry into Fr. Michael Mullaney.

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    1. LIAR. you can be sued for slander!!!!!!!!!!

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    2. Is this BM again? Give us a break you imbecile.

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  22. The gays are fond of their dating apps, aren’t they? Though of course they are not used for dating but for random sex with anonymous complete strangers.

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    1. you’d know all about that

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  23. pat watcha having for the sunday dinner

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    1. 3.42: I’m having sex, sex and more sex….are you not happy with all these scandals…..? What more can I give ya?

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      1. 4:29
        You sound like a sex addict? Em….explains a lot!

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    2. God, I’d love to be a (what was that?) sex addict.😕

      But I can’t get ‘a fix’.😆

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      1. 9:12 pm
        ‘M.Carta’,
        ‘That’s called, ”a junkies lament”.😭
        ‘It’s fixable.’!😲
        ‘Give me a call, on, 666-666-666, for a chat.’
        ‘You’ll be glad, you called.’! 😜
        ‘Bye, M. Carta.’ 😆

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  24. Bono and The Edge walked into a bar. ‘Oh no’ the barman said, ‘not U2 again’.

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    1. Dr. Carnes Recommendation 3rd Mar 2019 — 5:24 pm

      4:29@ 4:54
      Try Sex Addicts Anonymous , frequent use of the sacraments, avoid situations where you may lapse, develop strong spiritual prayer life, wholesome friendships of both sexes and in time, you’ll conquer the addiction.

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    2. Bono is the most annoying man in Britain, even worse than Russell Brand, James Corden or Noel Edmunds.

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      1. The millionaire gobshite Bob Geldof is by far the most annoying man in Britain, far more than the people you mentioned though I grant you that tidy beard Noel Edmonds is very annoying.

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  25. 4.54: Yiur comment Dr. Carnes is utterly absurd. You wouldn’t make a good doctor, one to be avoided. The crackpots on this blog constantly enquiring about M. Byrne’s life are sex maniacs. Pat supports and encourages them….Maybe you too are the same..

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  26. I suspect Brendan Marshall is behind some of the MJB posts today. Now he has loads of time on his hands to do this after getting his fat bum kicked out of Maynooth. Amy has told him this is a holding and stalling strategy until the heat has died down. We are not fooled by Armaghs cunning plan.

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  27. the post from 3:53 is an impostor!

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    1. 7:01
      The games people play. The post @ 3:53 is original poster.
      This individual has issues. He has to resort to playing ‘silly beggars’.

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  28. My wife and I were enjoying lunch today in Newry, a carvery and very delicious it was too. In walked two young priests as bold as brass to dine and the waitress was falling over them like they were God. We got ignored as all their needs got catered for, red wine if you please for both and the best of everything for them. My wife said they were probably dining out on the Trocaire box money. I could just about hear them muttering about church gossip no doubt and probably ridiculing their parishioners. Some foolish people stopped to chat with them and offer to buy them drinks, I said to my wife how gullible these people are. We couldnt believe how they could walk casually into a packed hotel wearing their collars in this climate. They both had two glasses of wine so why would you drive after that? We waited deliberately and my wife observed them getting into their car as bold as brass. We took their registration. My wife also wanted to see what type of car it was. Predictably it was the latest flash Audi. What a disgrace.

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    1. 7:11
      The moderate simple frugal life of a Priest envisaged at vatican 2.

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      1. 7. 32: Are you so gullible to believe this makey up story? This “pair” have been on many times spouting out this ridiculous crap. That couple are off their rockers. Ssd, pitiable crerps.

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    2. You sound like a lovely couple of stalkers.

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    3. 7.11: You and your wife are fake. You have repeated this story almost word for word many times before. Pat knows that and prints it for the benefit of newcomers in the hope they will go all vicious against clergy. You and your wife should stuff yourselves with turnips and keep your nose out of other people’s dishes. You and your wife are frauds and saddos. A little bit of sex might do you some good. Then, you’re probably past it. You sad, nosey, idiotic fools. Just wonder why Pat repeats this same story every couple of weeks? You pair of loopy phillistines. Grow a pair of b***s, hen pecked fool.

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      1. Don’t be so critical. It’s a bit of fun. He’s probably on his third wife. An earlier version of this delightful tale put the focus on the money being spent by the two extravagant clerics.

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    4. This isn’t the first time you’ve posted this and you didn’t even bother to change the details.

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    5. @7:11pm – you’re a liar. And you’ve spouted that shite on this blog before.
      First of all, you’d be very hard pushed to find one “young priest” in Newry – never mind two.
      You and your nosey auld hag of a wife sound like two right nasty little pieces of work. You’re liars anyhow. Now feck away off.
      Next time you’re both out “enjoying lunch”, may you both choke on your bile.

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      1. How are ye all this evening, girls?

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      2. Oh dear Father, it’s obvious you are a Priest because of your over the top reaction. Did it touch a raw nerve about your own dining out and drinking the parishioners money.

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    6. @7:11pm – stop perving over imaginary young priests out for their lunch.
      Go home, take your wife upstairs, lay her down gently on the bed, slowly peel off her massive big bloomers and give her a jolly good rodgering.
      You both sound like you could be doing with a bit of the old rumpy pumpy because you’ve little else to be doing except making up mischievous lies and fantasies.

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      1. Obviously hit a raw nerve Father. Where you one of the priests.

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      2. The only thing he’s married to is his hand.

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      3. 8.55 Hehehehehehehehehe

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    7. You should have reported those bastards to the PSNI. They should not have been driving.

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      1. We did report it and took photos plus registration. We told the police to ask the hotel to confirm the amount of wine drunk.

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    8. 7.11: The Newry stalkers are back again. The only difference to their silly, childish, nonsensical story is the Tricaire box. What a pair of nuts! This Newry nosey sods should stay behind their lace curtains. They’re a pair of dim wits.

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      1. We are not based in Newry as we eat in many places. If you had checked your facts properly the last meal we commented on this blog was a Priest with two females in Aughnacloy. So you are totally wrong and sorry to disappoint you Father.

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    9. @ 7.11
      And here’s me thinking a Carvery was self service, only the drinks’ waiter needed.
      Does upmarket Newry table-serve the carvery? Great stuff altogether.
      And yous followed them out right behind them to watch them getting into their car? Boyso, yez timed it just right!
      Tell us, with your eavesdropping what slander of their parishioners’ did yous hear exactly?

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      1. A carvery is self service as you say but not if you wear a Roman collar – then you get table service. It’s what’s called preferential treatment. Consult your dictionary if you are confused about the meaning.

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  29. Magna, Magwa, Kool Kat, quack, quack….Kool Kat, Magwa, Magna….oh the boredom of your lives! What would you do without Patsy, the maid of honour? He feeds your insatiable appetite for notoriety 😉🎎🦁

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    1. 7:37
      What does a duck do when it flies upside down? It quacks up! Mind yourself.🙏

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    2. No, he doesn’t.
      But funny fellows, like you, do.😆

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      1. 9:06
        MC; Why do ducks quack ?
        Because they can’t oink, bark or moo!
        Moral: Don’t quack if you’re can’t oink, bark or moo, if that’s what you’re created to do, otherwise you might quack up! Be who you are!😆

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  30. Just Saying.... 3rd Mar 2019 — 7:51 pm

    I wouldn’t bother to read this book, because it’s not going to tell me anything that I don’t know already, and because a cursory look at it suggests it is not a particularly yserious inquiry in to the issue of gays and the priesthood, and is more like a red top expose sort of the book.
    However, the issue is still a serious one and deserves being debated. I would suggest that for many thinking and serious people in the Church, we know that the present situation in respect of the Church’s moral teaching on many things, including sexuality and homosexuality, and how that impacts on a celibate priesthood, is no longer tenable or credible. Yes, the Church could retreat in to some sort of traditional orthodoxy that simply denies any prospect of creative thinking about this, just more of the same sort of mentality, or it could begin to seriously address these issues – sexuality, gender, relationships, marriage, priestly celibacy etc etc. It is evident from our own observations that in many respects the traditional orthodox teaching of the Church on these matters does not fit with the way that so many people, including good Christian and Catholic people, live their lives. There is a mismatch. It is one thing to just holding on tenaciously and stubbornly to past teaching and claiming it is the revealed truth and tradition of the Church, but when that leads in to dysfunction as we have seen then it would make sense to begin to ask whether we have got it right, and whether the Holy Spirit and the mind of the Church as expressed in the faithful is telling us something. There are some stirrings in the Church in these matters, and as I have said before some other Churches have engaged with these issues in a much more open, transparent, and honest way, and have grown in their understanding and practice in these areas. So, why can’t we ? Why can’t our bishops have this conversation with us, openly and honestly, without fear of being reported for disobedience or disloyalty ? It’s not a threat to us to discuss these things, but it is an opportunity for us to explore the will of God, the promptings of the Holy Spirit, and how we should grow, rather than remaining in denial, dysfunction and dishonesty. Which is the present situation. And which brings with it all sorts of things like the abuse crisis that we are living through in our time. There is a direct correlation between a Church that lives in dysfunction, lacking integration and integrity, and the abusive and dysfunctional behaviour that we have seen by priests who are the product of this dysfunction, dishonesty and denial.

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    1. @ 7.51 Just Saying
      The idea of “creative thinking” to circumvent God’s Law takes the biscuit. Change God’s Wisdom to allow people do what they want – highly original.
      Other churches have changed their rules? Go join them then. You are free to do so – just like you change banks, credit card companies, gas companies, electricity providers, schools, houses, gyms, where you do your shopping………………..
      Nothing stopping you. Consumer choice, as they say. Shop around and pick what suits you.

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      1. MournemanMichael 4th Mar 2019 — 11:33 am

        Anon @ 10:17: Unlike you, I think Just Saying’s comment at 7:51 is a very reasonable one which acknowledges reality. You, on the other hand, appear to have an absolute conviction of an unchanging reality and immutable truth as revealed and interpreted by the ‘belief system’ you are wedded to. You appear to have no acknowledgement of the possibility that there can be validity in other understandings.
        Change is of the essence, or as Heraclitus put it: “Change is the only constant in life.”
        And with more personal implications: “We can’t change the direction of the wind, but we can adjust our sails to arrive at our chosen destination.”
        MMM

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  31. That’s the Sunday collection put to good use. What a useful way to spend Temperance Sunday before Lent, priest parasites guzzling loads of wine and stuffing their faces. All together now, 1.2.3. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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    1. @ 11.33 MMM
      You are not a Catholic.
      The commentator does not hold with Catholic doctrine.
      Therefore: 1) It has nothing to do with you
      &
      2) The commentator should swap to a grouping, the beliefs of which he can share.
      As Theresa May would say, “Simples!”

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  32. Peggy, Popes Quay 3rd Mar 2019 — 8:23 pm

    Bp Pat, I was just thinking today that we have heard little regarding the meeting in Rome recently on abuse. I believe Ireland was represented but everyone is saying very little. I asked my PP in Cork this morning and I got a very dismissive answer and attitude. I hope this was not just another talking shop.

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  33. Why did Andrew Knowles, the organist and Director of Music at the Oxford Oratory resign suddenly last November?

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    1. That didn’t last long. Is there a back story? I take it unrelated to Daniel’s disappearance a couple of months later.

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    2. Oh, obviously because Father Daniel tried to roger him in the organ loft, surely ?!

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  34. Author and columnist (and perennial fogey with a surprisingly liberal centre), A.N. Wilson, is much more sympathetic towards the idea of gay men in pastoral ministry. His own experience is Anglican (C of E), but I suppose a gay man is a gay man whatever his religious milieu.
    Wilson, himself once a candidate for the C of E priesthood, mused on the seminary (or whatever Anglicans call their clerical training grounds) japes of his fellow students, of whom a reasonable number were irretrievably queer, all with tart (or tartish) soubriquets for one another: ‘Tawdrey Audrey’, that sort of ribald but good-natured teasing.
    Years later, Wilson had a random (and yes brief😆) encounter with one of these, ‘Plum Tart’, in (where else?) but a highbrow bookshop. Wilson and PT eventually went their separate ways after a cheerful canter down joint memory lane. Oddly, the experience left Wilson, alone, gutted and tearful. Most of these gay men, now Anglican priests, had, after being to Paris, settled down on the farm, proving their spiritual mettle by selflessly working for the poor and for the proverbially downtrodden.
    Wilson? Yes, a successful writer, and acclaimed biographer, monied and famed, and yet for all this, feeling impoverished by what these ‘flippant’ gay men had gone on to do and to sacrifice as priests for Christ.
    Jesus does indeed draw straight with crooked lines, even those apparently as crooked as those ‘objectively disordered’.😕

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    1. 8.50. Give us a break, Stephen. Why did you bother turning on your laptop?

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    2. Well, there is that Magna, and I am also strangely moved that the C of E keeps a Church going in every place and turns no one away. I believe Wilson did become RC at one point, but went back and now attends one of the most extreme A-C churches in the country where the pp is an extraordinarily committed pastor.

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  35. Pat did you not like my comment saying that the Grindr wink I got in St Mary’s in Maynooth could only have come from a sem, as you didn’t publish it?

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  36. Heavy snow in Maynooth today, Pat.

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  37. The delightful tale of the Newry couple dining out is wonderfully recounted. It’s meant to give us a bit of weekend cheer. No one seriously imagines that such a couple exists. But my goodness it did evoke some strong reactions here. People are not reading enough P. G. Wodehouse.

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    1. @12.43
      “Jeeves, bring me something cerebrally light and something very wet with a lemon in it. What ho!”

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