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CARDINAL PELL’S VICTIM UNHAPPY ABOUT SENTENCE AND FEARS APPEAL.

SYDNEY — A man Cardinal George Pell was convicted of sexually assaulting said he is finding it hard to “take comfort” in the cardinal’s six-year jail sentence because a request to appeal the conviction is due to be heard June 5.

The father of the other victim, now deceased, expressed his disappointment with the sentence, which could see the cardinal freed on parole after three years and eight months.

Judge Peter Kidd, who imposed the sentence March 13, said was it shorter than usual due to Cardinal Pell’s age, 77, and ill health.

The cardinal was convicted of abusing two 13-year old choirboys in late 1996 and early 1997 in the sacristy of Melbourne’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

The surviving victim, referred to as “victim J” in the judge’s sentence, said in a statement read by his lawyer, “I respect what the judge said. It was meticulous, and it was considered.”

But, he said, “it is hard for me, for the time being, to take comfort in this outcome.”

“I appreciate that the court has acknowledged what was inflicted upon me as a child. However, there is no rest for me. Everything is overshadowed by the forthcoming appeal,” the statement said.

The victim, who has never been named, also rebutted criticism of the guilty verdict, saying he had spent more than two days giving evidence and was cross-examined by Pell’s defense lawyer – vigorously, sources told Catholic News Service – while the cardinal did not take the stand at all.

“A jury has unanimously accepted the truth of my evidence; Pell chose not to give evidence; the jury did not hear from him,” his statement said.

The father of the deceased victim, who is suing Pell, described the sentence as a “joke” in a statement issued by his lawyers.

“Today we witnessed history with one of the world’s most senior Catholic figures jailed for child sexual offenses,” said Lisa Flynn, representing the father’s law firm. “Our client is disappointed with the short sentencing and has expressed sadness over what he believes is inadequate for the crime.”

Victims of abuse have been “waiting to feel heard,” she said. “Pell’s sentencing moves that progress forward, even if only a few small steps. I admire the courage of my client to keep fighting on behalf of his deceased son. To him, this battle is not over,” Flynn added.

“The criminal justice system has only partially satisfied our client’s pursuit for justice today,” she said. “It’s now on us as his civil litigators to keep pushing for more just outcomes.”

Flynn said her client is suing the cardinal “knowing that civil action has the power to disrupt an institution and impact meaningful change to prevent more tragedies from occurring.”

Pell was present for the sentencing; he wore and open-necked black shirt with a beige blazer, but no clerical collar.

The assembled victims, supporters, legal teams and media respected the judge’s call for silence throughout the proceeding; he spent more than an hour explaining the reasoning behind his sentencing.

The cardinal displayed no emotion and avoided eye contact during proceedings, before using a handrail to help him stand to hear the final sentence, reporters in the courtroom noted. After sentencing, the cardinal was ordered to sign the Victoria state sex offenders’ register before he was taken away in a prison van.

Victims’ rights advocates outside the court cheered the verdict but said only a small piece of justice had been done and thousands more victims were waiting for justice.

The Australian Catholic Bishops’ Conference and the Melbourne Archdiocese declined to comment on the sentence.

“I would just ask Australians today to get around those who have been victims of child sexual abuse,” Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison told reporters in Melbourne only minutes before the verdict.

“Let them know we know it happened, that we want to help you be stronger and to survive what is the most abominable you could think that could happen to an individual with a breach of trust,” he said.

Bill Shorten, leader of the opposition Labor Party who will face Morrison in an election in May, said, “We can never underestimate the courage and resilience it takes for a survivor of child abuse to seek justice.”

Noting that the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse found that survivors were rarely believed, Shorten said, “instead, against the weight and power of both church and the state, they were marginalized, shamed and re-abused.”

PAT SAYS

I can understand the victim being unsettled about the sentence and nervous about the appeal.

His is a very subjective view and has been informed by all he has suffered.

Good law has to be able to step back from emotion and make a balanced judgement.

I was very impressed bu Judge Kidd’s sentencing remarks. It was a very balanced judgement addressing every angle. The sentence was appropriate, not vengeful.

Pell should be punished. But he should not be screwed into the dust. Even a paedophile is a human being – although a flawed one who has done evil.

I think he is guilty.

I do not think his appeal will succeed.

He must now live as a disgraced man and prepare himself to meet the God who commanded all of us not to hurt the “little ones”.

DISGRACED CARDINAL PELL HIRES $ 25,000A DAY LAWYER FOR APPEAL.

Disgraced Cardinal George Pell ‘hires $25,000-a-day celebrity barrister’ as he prepares to appeal child sex abuse convictions

By Mark Brook and Daniel Piotrowski for Daily Mail Australia10:46 14 Mar 2019, updated 10:46 14 Mar 2019

Disgraced Cardinal George Pell has hired a new celebrity barrister in a bid to appeal his sentence, which he claims the judge and jury got wrong.
Top lawyer Bret Walker SC has reportedly been hired for about $25,000 a day to argue for the cardinal’s freedom, according to The Daily Telegraph.
Mr Walker, who is thought to charge as much as $25,000 a day, has represented high profile clients as Barnaby Joyce and billionaire Gina Rinehart’s children.
Pell, the highest ranking catholic official to be convicted of child sex abuse, was on Wednesday sentenced to up to six years’ jail by the Victorian County Court.

Disgraced Cardinal George Pell has hired a new celebrity barrister in a bid to appeal his sentence, which he claims the judge and jury got wrong. Cardinal Pell was described by Chief Judge Paul Kidd as ‘breathtakingly arrogant’
His crime – the rape and molestation of a 13-year-old boy, and abuse of another – was described by Chief Judge Paul Kidd as ‘breathtakingly arrogant’.
Judge Kidd acknowledged Pell may die in jail and, if he ever walks free, will be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life. His conviction was announced earlier this year, Pell’s then barrister, Robert Richter QC, quickly sought to appeal the jury verdict in a higher court.

PAT SAYS

Where is George Pell getting $25,000 a day to pay this lawyer.

How much will this cost between now and June?

Who is paying?

142 replies on “CARDINAL PELL’S VICTIM UNHAPPY ABOUT SENTENCE AND FEARS APPEAL.”

Pat it’s time to stop being so clearly jubilant about all of this and taking obvious satisfaction. The media in Australia believe Pells appeal will be successful. The BBC reported this and ABC. Social media suggest Pell was made a scapegoat because he held strong pro Palestinian views. I myself have not formed a view because of all the contrasting opinion and media reports, his judicial case has not ended yet so i’ll keep an open mind until then. It seems no matter what sentence he received people would never be satisfied. Look at any other high profile cases of abuse and non abuse recently. No sentence would ever be enough.

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10.53: You are right. Pat is getting immense satisfaction at the “downfall” of others. His gleeful delight is totally against what a true shepherd of Christ should be. While we condemn all sins, abuses and crimes, if Pat believes Pell is a human being and shouldn’t be screwed into the ground but then facilitates and elicits hatred, vilification and venomous comments against Pell, surely this is blatant hypocrisy? Pat, you need to look into your own soul, heart and conscience. I believe the appeal in June will highlight aspects of his case which will render his conviction to be a miscarriage of justice. Many Australian commentators in all media outlets have asked very relevant questions about the outcome of the court system. Many of these journalist are non-catholic.

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What about the ‘downfall’ of thousands of victims of clerical sex abuse and cover up? Many victims have gone to an early grave, have shattered lives, ruined by clergy who betrayed Christ. You clergy need to look into your souls, hearts and conscience at what’s gone on, is still going on and will go on for decades, according to the Vatican. Catholicism has become a caricature of Christianity and its grotesque underbelly is now to be seen. Suffer little chrildren, millstones! Yet there’s an obsession with sexuality and a mighty theology of the body. I get the distinct impression, that clergy by virtue of ordination, seem to think or believe, they are a superior form of life. When things go wrong they hide behind the bishops soutane and the diocesan ‘ fixer’ sorts matters out.
Well lads, you guys are running out of soutane’s to hide behind. Is Cardinal Pell to be a future Pope, lads ?

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9:09
Have you, in the midst of your angst over Paedo Pell, given any thought, even a moment’s, to the effect your words are having on the victim in this case, and to sexual-abuse survivors everywhere else?
Where is your compassion for those terrified little boys on whom that big, fat, digustingly lumbering coward forced himself in 1996 and 1997?
You criticise Pat for ‘hypocrisy’, yet you, and other cheerleaders for Paedo Pell, reek of the stuff.
You make me sick. You’re almost as bad as Paedo Pell. You are helping this coward and pervert victimise that abused man all over again.
Shame on the lot of you!😠

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10:53
Paedo Pell was made a scapegoat because he held ‘strong pro-Palestinian views’?
Oh, no. You’re way off the mark there, mate. Pell was made a scapegoat because he publicly disavowed his belief in Father Christmas, upsetting children all over Australia, and beyond.
Do you have even the remotest idea how desperate, how absurd, and, frankly, how flaky you cheerleaders for Paedo Pell now sound?😕

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I’ll put my comment here as I can’t face reading 90 or 100 comments by from or about Magna. I don’t know why Bishop Pat allowed his blog to turn this way. Night night.

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Interesting question. Who’s paying indeed?
I have no doubt that the institutional Roman Catholic Church is paying at least some of Pell’s legal fees. But it will never admit this.
If these clerical parasites can abuse children and then conceal the crimes from law enforcement agencies, they would not hesitate to fund the legal team of a lawfully convicted paedophile, like Pell.

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It is important that accusers / presumed victims are listened to. It is important that at the right time their evidence is tested to ensure that it is factual and true. It cannot just be believed without having been tested or corroborated. Otherwise, we will find ourselves in a position that whenever somebody makes an accusation against someone that person is guilty without any testing of or corroboration of the accusation. That is what the legal / justice system is there to do.
I still feel that there are facts that do not fit in the Pell cases, and therefore expect those facts to be established and tested in his appeal.
I feel for the presumed victims in this case. Something has evidently happened to them in the past to make them believe that they were abused, whether by Pell or by someone else at some other time. The appeal will establish that. The accusers may well believe that what they are saying is the truth as they know it. But, the facts need to be established and tested. The appeal will do that.
Pell is not entitled automatically to an appeal hearing. There have to be grounds. The Victorian legal system will have established that there are grounds for Pell to appeal. I believe they realise that there is something not completely right about the original trail and judgement, and therefore have allowed this appeal in order to clarify it and to test it.
As to the cost of Pell’s defence, I would not believe every figure that is bandied about. It may be far less, it may be more. But, Pell will have some resources of his own, and he may well have benefactors that are willing to support him, he may well be in receipt of some State legal aid. He is entitled to a robust defence of his case and he is entitled to pay for it. I doubt if the Church / Diocese / Vatican is paying for it. To do so would be too toxic for them in the present climate.
I await the definitive and final decision of the appeal court before I am prepared to condemn Pell. I still believe that the judgement will go in his favour. Whilst that will be difficult for many people, including his accusers, it is absolutely right that justice is finally done and be seen to be done, for everybody concerned.

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7:58

Are you still harping on about ‘presumed victims’ and uncorroborated evidence?

Consider this post a remedial class: Australian law allows for the conviction of a defendant on UNCORROBORATED testimony if a jury finds a witness credible.

I know this legal principle is causing you endless angst and handwringing, but there you have it. Like it or lump it.

Paedo Pell was LAWFULLY convicted by an independenent, objective, dispassionate, justice-seeking jury. And (‘get’ this) it was done UNANIMOUSLY.

Paedo Pell is where he ought to be. The pity is that it won’t be for longer.

The only injustice in this case is the leniency of that pervert’s sentence.

Now I’m orf to the nearest off-licence for some hare-of-the-wotsit.😆

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7:58

You are not seeking justice, but Paedo Pell’s acquittal. You have made up your mind that this pervert is innocent and nothing less than his acquittal will satisfy you. And yet, you make a pretense of concern for the victims in this case (whom you condescendingly describe as ‘presumed’) and urge that ‘justice is finally done and be seen to be done’, to which you have the temerity to add ‘for everybody concerned’.

Tell me, you self-satisfied ass, does ‘everybody’ here include the victims, whom you unjustly describe, without a sliver of evidence, as ‘presumed’?

It’s odd, isn’t it, that a fool who makes such a fuss about uncorroborated evidence in the Paedo Pell case would then proceed to pronounce the victims here as, er, merely ‘presumed’ without any evidence at all?

I doubt whether you can see the contradiction here, or the fact that you’ve made an absolute jackass of yourself, and your concern for justice.😆

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Folks, you really would be far better ignoring the ass or asses posting anonymously as “Magna Carta”.

Stop rising to the bait. Let him/them rant on. Engaging with this entity is utterly futile and even attacking it back is a total waste of time.

If people stopped responding to this poster – or these posters – the “Composite” will be deprived of the oxygen of publicity and the hubris upon which it thrives.

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9:09
Scroll past it? Really? Oh, you naughty porkie-teller!😈 Cos I know that you have engaged with me recently: I recognise the limp.😆

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7.58: Just Saying: A balanced, fair, intelligent and rational comment. I believe every sentiment you express. There is something contrived and not quite right about some aspects if this trial and it’s judgment. An appeal will find the fullness of JUSTICE. In the meantime the rag bag lynch mob led by Pat and Magna should desist from their vile, hateful words. Shame on them.

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Ha ha JS @ 8:46 praising himself and ingratiating himself.
Good to see your nervous. Is your conscience gnawing you?…

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Nope, wrong again, not me at 8:46 Don’t think that just because a comment agrees with me that I have written it myself anonymously. But, then you would expect me to say that, wouldn’t you, so convinced of conspiracy as you seem to be ?

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@8.55am Get a life and stop this silly petty accusing every poster of being JS whoever they are. This is repetitive and quite frankly totally boring. Other people on here have a voice besides JS. I posted yesterday and got accused of being JS, get a feckin life whoever you are and sort out your JS paranoia. And yes, I suspect that the child you are will reply saying this is JS or some other idiot will probably do it because they have little else to do.

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I don’t think Pat or Magna are leading anyone, they are expressing their opinions on this blog, Pat who controls this blog allows all opinions to be expressed even those he disagrees with.

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JS, don’t rise to the bait of these morons like “Carta” et alia.
You make perfectly good sense to a lot of people on here who are glad of your balance and insight.
Don’t even bother to answer a clown such as 8:55am. Keep posting. Many people appreciate your good sense and fairness.

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Why do you think that Pat is “leading” anyone? The vast majority of commentators here who have contrary views to JS do not use “vile” or “hateful” words.
It appears to me that you are trying to shut down any debate by castigating your and JS’s opponents with untrue aspersions.
It seems that you are somewhat detached from reality 8:46 in your reckless and unfounded claims.
Also, people have correctly pointed out that there are many anomalies and inconsistencies in JS’s posts.
Whoever JS is, he does not appear to be a neither a stable nor genuine person.

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J S praising himsel as balanced…Both under his own pseudo name and and anonymous.
Fed up with him already.

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How can you sleep? You defend a big, fat, gutless paedophile who forced himself on two terrified little boys, and who has not expressed the slightest remorse for it.
The only vile things here are the paedo cheerleaders for Pell, like you, and that pompous ass, JS.

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Really, MC, you should moderate your language and your thoughts. Being gratuitously insulting just because you can do it anonymously is pretty juvenile.

+ Pat, I admire open forum, and sometimes MC is able to contribute constructively, but so often he is just vile and insulting. When you moderate comments, could you cut out MC’s most offensive comments. You can leave us to read the good ones. Because, sometimes, just sometimes, he has something good to say. It’s just the offensive way he says things and insults people that is becoming tiresome. Thanks.

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DID Pell force himself on two boys? I don’t know, and very many people don’t know. Just that is the problem. Pell behaves entirely as an innocent man would.

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Well said JS! You are fast becoming the wise commentator here – fair, sensible, perceptive snd persuasive.

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2:31
You seriously ask whether Pell forced himself on those two boys? Did you not listen to the Chief Justice’s sentencing the other day? Do yourself a favour and listen to it. ALL of it.
Maybe you were going to suggest that the boys consented? Isn’t this what Fr John Brady was kind of suggesting when he asked all those intrusive questions of the boys abused by Fr Brendan Smith?😆

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JS at 12:21
When are you going to address my point that you are being blatantly hypocritical about Paedo Pell’s case? On the one hand, complaining that the evidence on which Pell was convicted was untested, while on the other, denying the veracity of that evidence youself without absolutely any evidence to support it.
Well?😕

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Where are you, JS?
Gone to ground, too afraid that if you attempt to address my point (on your hypocrisy) that I’ll annihilate you?
If I were you, I should be afraid, too.😲
Come on out, JS. I’m not using vile or insulting terms in posting now.😆

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I think Pell will win his appeal, I’ve read the transcripts and the evidence just simply isn’t there to support his conviction. I would imagine that if he is a pedophile many more accusers would have come forward by now. It’s in the RC church interests to have him found not guilty so I would be surprised if they are not funding his defence. As regards the sheep Magna, I think they copped on around the time Eamonn Casey dipped into the till. Church collections are at an all time low, some dioceses aren’t raising enough money to pay their priests.

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There was a news item some time ago that Waterford & Lismore did not have sufficient funds to pay its priests their Christmas salaries.

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8:52
If Pell does win his appeal, it will be a travesty of justice. The man is a dangerous paedophile.
What you have reckoned without is the fact that Australian law allows for the conviction of a defendant on uncorroborated testimony if a jury finds a witness credible; this is a fact of Australian law, and there is no getting round this.
The jury that convicted Pell did so unanimously, and did so within legal principles.
I believe that the appeal-court judges will uphold both the conviction and the sentence, as indeed they must.

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Remember more than 60 pages of royal commission report were blanked out in 2017. The pages were blacked out so not to ‘prejudice future criminal proceedings.’ The redacted pages will likely be released after Pell’s legal process is finalised.
Sounds like the fiend may also have to stand trial for covering up abuses committed by priests he knew about.

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You obviously haven’t read widely enough if you believe Paedo Pell had no other accusers. There were others, but the evidence wasn’t considered sufficient to proceed to trial.

I believe Pell’s accusers.

I believe the swimming-pool manager who caught Pell in changing rooms exposing himself to little boys and who ordered the fat pervert never to return here, otherwise he would call the police.

How does it feel to be defending a 6ft 3ins coward who forced himself on two terrified 13-year-old boys in 1996, and again, on one of them in 1997?

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Don’t get me wrong Magna I think he’s as guilty as sin, if not of the offences he is charged with definitely of the much greater offence of covering up clerical abuse. I just don’t think the evidence presented supports his conviction.

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“Exposing himself to little boys” — how ridiculous — he was in an all-nude changing room — if the manager was so terrified of little boys seeing a naked man he should have segregated the customers by age,

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2:33

Were you there?

I heard the manager speak on television. He caught Paedo Pell that day, twice, exposing himself to the same group of boys over a lengthy period, in which he had more than ample time to be dressed and gone.

The manager ordered Pell never to return. And guess what? The great, fat, lumbering perv offered not one word…one sensible word…in his defence. He hilariously tried to explain himself by saying that he was teaching these boys how to dry themselves, mentioning ‘bumcrack’.

The manager was having none of it, and sent Pell packing.

Oddly enough, I’d rather trust his judgement than yours.😆

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Maybe. But your judgment is defective and deficient as instanced by your copious use of vulgar language here on many occasions, in the early hours but also post meridiem.

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I have serious doubts regarding Pell’s guilt. However this is a very good warning shot to the church. You are not above the law. You cannot bully people into silence anymore.

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The Catholic Archdiocese of Sydney has been running ads in its news publication, the Catholic Weekly, seeking donations to fund the demon from Hell’s legal costs.
The details are:
Ferdinand Zito and Associates Law Practice Trust Account Bendigo Bank
BSB: 633-000
Acct No: 1359-51192
Ref Code: LFGP
If you would like to request acknowledgment of the receipt of funds please email fzLFGP@fzlegal.com.au

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I normally like your comments Magna but at times you get carried away. I am not JS. Let’s keep it civilised.

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11:03

Are you also the poster at 9:57? If you are, you misunderstood my post at 10:33. I wasn’t referring to you (at 9:57) as ‘JS’.

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Do you have the prison details for Cardinal Pell so we could write to him and offer support, especially our prayerful support. Isn’t that the Christian thing to do or are all the Christians non existent anymore?

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3:12

Hah, hah, hah😅

The poor victim of that fat paedo: I’m sure he’s uppermost in your concerns.

Yes, it always heartening to know that Christians will put molestors needs over those of their victims.

Well done, good and faithful servant.

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All you have is write on the envelope “The Great Nonce, Australia” and it will get there by Standard Air Mail £1.25.

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5:29

If Paedo Pell is acquitted on appeal, the only egg-covered face will be that of Lady Justice herself.

No matter the appeal-court’s judgement, Pell will, in a broad swathe of global public consciousness, remain a paedophile, guilty of forcing himself on two, terrified little boys.

Hasn’t the penny dropped yet for you and for the other Paedo Pell cheerleaders? He can’t EVER win, whether he wins or loses in June.

His future is a double-headed penny…not worth a toss…of the coin.😆

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Pat has always allowed differing points of view to be aired here – sometimes diametrically opposed to his own – which is what makes for a genuine and satisfying debate.
In any true debate, sometimes things can get a little robust; however, nobody forces anyone to comment here, and if certain people can’t stand the heat, they should just get out of the kitchen! Simple.
Too many snowflakes just want a one-way conversation and can’t tolerate anybody who would dare to contradict them.

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Is that why Pat doesn’t publish many rational arguments he does not like. Pat is not impartial here and does enter into censorship whenever it suits him and that is quite often. He is always keen to publish the venomous most offensive posts by MC as quick – tells you a lot doesn’t it? Pat and MC are in cahoots to inflate the number of posts on Pat’s blog. Just look at the number of posts so far from MC today proves my point. Tge blog sometimes only has about 12 posts some days at this time, MC enters the debate in a very vile abusive way and the number of posts keep shooting up in number because people keep reacting to this abuse. I know the score and most other old hands who realised the score in the end have since left.

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Pat us as vile and obnoxious a person as Magna and his ilk. Disreputable hatemongers who don’t care what they say. Their vulgarity, abuse and insult are the daily staple of this blog. Immoral fools.

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Do you know what tells me a lot, 1:16? Your overworked imagination.

Unfortunately, little of it is useful.😕

😆

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Are there several Magna Carta on here ? If so, then the real MC needs to agree with + Pat a simple code he puts in his comment, which code + Pat can delete before posting. Others who post as MC without the code can just be blocked. Anybody any other / better suggestions ? The possible proliferation of MCs is making this blog a bit tiresome.

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Just Saying, you are making this blog tiresome with your repetitive to ad nauseum posts.
Everyone gets your gist at this stage. But please, change the record as you sound like an interminable crankish bore.
The kitchen door is open. No obligation to come here.

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It would be so much easier if you could compose fewer posts without howlers. I mean just how careless is a poster who not only exposes himself as a hypocrite in his comments on Paedo Pell, but does so in such an obvious way.😅
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JS at 12:36
As you are the newboy here, you need to know a few (but not all😆) FACTS about ‘Magna Carta’…moi!😆
Magna is one, just one (as in ‘singular’) poster.
Magna is not the name of a collective, or a cabal, or… He is just I. And he’s no fool. He studied for the priesthood after graduating from Queen’s University, Belfast. And after studing at St Patrick’s Grammar, in Downpatrick.
Magna was never thrown out of seminary, as some on here choose to believe. On the contrary…😆
Magna is disgusted and disenchanted with the institutional Roman Catholic Church, and with the sheep who support it financially and who follow its teachings with a rigidity that would make George Pell’s…look flaccid.😆 I despise these sheep, since they are a fundamental reason for the continuing moral corruption of the institutional RCC, and for its moral laceration of the Church proper.
Some here do occasionally post using the name Magna Carta; there is nothing I can do to stop this, but I do sometimes (if I can be bothered) call out the impostors.
I am not gay, as some homophobes here love to mock.
But I do enjoy a drink…from time to time. You understand?😆

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4.16: Thanks Mags for elucidating us with your “truth”. It still doesn’t make you more likeable. It actually reinforces our considered analysis that, basically, you are an angry, mad person. You prove, by this comment, your psychological delusional state. Accept for once that those who were with you in seminary know you were REJECTED, being deemed totally unsuitable, unstable and disturbed. That rejection underlines your predilection to your morally unacceptable abuse of others. Nothing you say in your defence can alter the truth that, you are, essentially, a nasty, hateful and vicious troll.

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4.16: Thrown out: yes. Rejected: yes. Considered unstable: Unsuitable: yes. Dangerously mentally imbalanced: yes. Accept the TRUTH you boyo Mag: it will set you free from your angst, vengeance and hatred.

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You were never at the Red High 4:16pm. And you are a homosexualist. We can smell your red herrings a mile off 😆

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JS – you need to raise your chair a little higher…It appears your perceptions are a little skewed from down there…Or is the Campari taking it’s toll on your brain?

You present yourself as different categories of people and then forget you have done so. You hardly ever respond directly to objections to your posts. And to top off everything you then try to tell Pat how to run his blog!

MC is right regarding you. You possess arrogance in a superlative degree.

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5:49
There is no point, is there, in trying to persuade such entrenched minds as yours (unfortunately for you all, entrenched in wrong belief) of any truth of which they disapprove?
You are a living study in why Jesus himself could not persuade certain people of his saving truth. And the explanation for it is simple (actually, deadly simple, since it can spell future damnation): you lack humility to accept the fragility and weakness of your own judgements, such is your misplaced self-assurance. Psalmists refer to it as making a ‘fortress’ (or ‘bulwark’) of one’s own soul, except that with people like you, you attempt this yourselves, with predictable and, often, disastrous consequences.😲
And whatever gave you the silly idea that I want to be liked?😅 Were this so, then I should have posted comments that would make such people as you glow with self-contentment. And why, in Heaven’s name, would I seek to do that?😆

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JS at 12:21 and Pat at 12:24 and others re “MC”:
MC is clearly the projection of a cleric or small group of clerics (some are ex clerics/former seminarians).
They are basically wind up merchants and, boy oh boy, do they have a field day on here with such a ready and willing audience who are so easily wound up.
“MC” is basically spewing venom that they/he wouldn’t get away with – or be able to come off with – in day to day life.
There is absolutely no point engaging with, or responding to, this self-described “Composite”. It is best ignored.
I believe Pat totally when he says he doesn’t know who “Magna” is and has never met “Magna”.
He will never meet “MC” because essentially “MC” is the projection of an individual or individuals who must remain secretive and who enjoy insulting and offending people from the ether like it was some kind of hobby. “Magna Carta” is pure mischief and nothing else.
So folks, STOP WASTING YOUR BATTERIES! Ignore the Composite! 🙂

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1:48
Why would they ignore me when, clearly, you didn’t…cos you just couldn’t wait to put that typing finger of yours to a keyboard and comment on me. 😅
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I have often been on the tailend of some of Magna’s posts. But I have never asked Pat to moderate MC’s comments because some of his language was trenchant and acerbic.
While I do not always agree with Magna, he often tells the hard truths in an unceremonious manner. That’s what I think really annoys the people who are insulted by MC.
Keep posting MC!
Newbies to this blog don’t set the rules just because they may be a little effeminate.

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Thanks for that MC. The point is I don’t get your viewpoints because it’s the abusive language in general that puts me straight off from reading what you have to offer in its entirety

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2:36

Yes, JS is trying to throw his weight around, trying to pull Pat’s strings.

JS gets a little too butthurt for his own good; he needs to toughen up. Otherwise what will people think of him?😕

Oh! And he knew the nature of the beast before he started to feed her with his inflated posts.😆

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Which Timmy are you wifey to? It’s hardly Timo Bartlett is it?

My goodness, if Timo B was secretly married, they would have to scrap plans to name him very shortly as Coadjutor Archbishop of Dublin!

If Timo had a little wifey tucked away somewhere, one would have to say that one would be very surprised indeed. Yes, quite shocked in actual fact.

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Pat Mullaney is not happy about all this talk regarding the Cafe Bum Bum. He has told us not to speak about it to you as your a fake bishop and you would never have bean welcome in the Bum Bum. Pat Mullaney has band us from opening our mouths.

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Did you not see bean instead of bean and band instead of banned. It was for your benefit saddo and there again you fell for it haha haha. Grammar police knobhead.

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I am the incomparable Magna Carta! There is only one Magna Carta and it’s Me!

I’m blessed with stunning good looks and matchless intelligence!

I say what I like and I post what I like. You don’t like it? Too damn bad!😆

Just because I’m smarter then you all! Just because I’m achingly gorgeous with My blue-eyed blondness and svelte figure!

Just because you all desire Me and fantasise over Me and can’t have Me!😆

Mummykins taught me to sing 🎶 I am the One and Only when I was just a mini Magna! 🎶🎶

And I’ve been singing it ever since singing 🎤 🎵 🎶😆

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Er, Magna Carta-impostor alert at 5:53.😕 (The give-away is the green avatar; the real Magna’s is blue.)
Still, I can’t be harsh with him; after all, he has said some lovely…and truthful…things about me.😆

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6.28: What a fool you are! Just go awsy, lie down and die. You’re a useless piece of work….honestly…

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5.53: Such a public self humiliation! Such ignorant, shameless, infantile stupidity. Magna, what a blessing that you were never ordained. There’d be many a file against your dangerous, multiple personalities. It’s sad that Pat, whom you idolise, allows you to make such an utter fool of yourself, for allowing you to psychologically unravel behind your laptop. It’s very wrong of Pat to facilitate your erratic, questionable and scary behaviour. Your mental well being is not being helped by giving you this blog to fall apart. What a waste of a life….and space…

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5.53: Magna, if your parents are deceased, they must turn in their graves at your embarrassing behaviour. If they are alive tbey must be very humiliated and probably in hiding. Why are you making such an idiot if yourself, knowing that some if us are aware of your identity? Why too is Pat enabling your crazy, bizarre behaviour? You are in freefall. I hope you will receive psychological help when you need it. Pat, would you exercise some responsibility towards this mad man!

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6:53
You’re not a regular reader of the blog, are you? Or is that you have the memory span of a microbe?
My mommie posts here frequently, ever fond of her darling Magna. In fact, if you hang around and don’t visit the loo, you may see her post soon.😆

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Magna takes over as usual again tonight and Pat allows it – why don’t you rename this blog the Magna Blog. Pat I wish you would get a grip ffs.

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A massive miscarriage of justice at its best, the world knows he will be found innocent on appeal.
This is a most difficult time for the Cardinal and his family, I think and Pray also for the alleged victims which has brought the Australian Justice system to it’s knees!

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If you Paedo Pell cheerleaders are so confident that the pervert will be acquitted on appeal, why do you harp on it.?That you do (and how!) suggests a, er, certain insecurity about the outcome.
(Just Sayin’, like.😆)

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Hi the victim needs to be supported whatever th outcome. Eye on the ball boyos. The focus is the victims needs not th score on th door. Superpriest & Daring Deacon hi hup hup and away but, encourage these cups n saucers to use their energy in a way that really makes a difference instead of all this jawbowning about circles within circles hi

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Fly, your bizarre communications hardly show much support for the victim (or the alleged victim since at least metaphorically “the jury is still out”).

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10.49 Open th I balls hi. What I said was the victims needs comes first. Tis all this tunnel vision stuff that prevents progress

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A blog is not an oral forum. It’s a written one, 8.33. Certain conventions are employed in a written medium that are not required in an oral one. If you can’t rise to the occasion you’d be better of saying nothing, or find an oral forum like Youtube and talk away there in your local patois.

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One tends to confirm only what I already perceived. Tunnel Vision Professional in talk. Culture speaks in many was as Jesus knew all too well If thee’s a cleric hi bet I d be asleep half way through a sermon Nightall hi

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Hello fly, hi. Fly the victims need supportin but I wouldn’t be lookin to the wholy men in the church to do the supportin. Their eyes anywhere butt on the ball, fly. Super duper Priest and Daring Deacon duo haven’t put in an appearance yet and the yapping bout wheels within wheels continues apace. Bye Fly, Hi.

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The person behind JS and other labels has also defended the paedophile, pederast and pervert, Theodore McCarrick, under an Anon label.
The wee perv is known and has been given enough rope to hang himself.
The next time he comes into the boxing ring, the gloves are coming off…

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Hey Fr Preprandial @ 9:06 pm, do you hear that sound…? It’s the sound of my knuckles cracking! If you keep coming back into the boxing ring you will be dismantled, meticulously, slowly and ruthlessly. It’s your choice you arrogant little git. You were warned…
All your ‘predilections’ are now in the public domain. Step out of line once more, and you will be swapping your Campari for porridge…
Deranged and pathological liars like you think you can bend reality to suit your web of deceit. The thing about the structure of reality is, though, that when you attempt to do that, it snaps back in your face…Painfully!
Now go back to your porno mag and give us all a break from your monotonous psychobabble…

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Mullaney’s famuous quote during one rector talk, A Raphoe Seminarian puts up his hand and asks can we discuss what was said and written about seminarian’s in the media and blog, Mullaney replied there is nothing to discuss. Pat the greatest fear for Michael Mullaney is exposure of his gay inner circle and his relationship with Michael Byrne.

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“Magna Carta” Composite:
The author of “Magna Carta” claims to have attended St Patrick’s Grammar School in Downpatrick, attended QUB, gone to study for the priesthood and left the seminary voluntarily. He claims that he is not a homosexual.
On other occasions, the composite has claimed to have studied in the “Wing” and that Paddy Walsh was president for some of its time there (so that would be the late 70s or early 80s).
All of these are bogus. Undoubtedly, the composite knows people who went to the Red High, Queen’s, were in the Wing, are heterosexual, etc. And when the composite is writing its posts these persons are often the ones who are voicing the composite’s scripts.
One thing is very likely. The composite is or was a cleric. In fact, the composite could be a small number of clerics and ex clerics who are friends.
Anything the composite reveals about its identity should be taken with a pinch of salt. It cannot afford to reveal its identity – even to Pat Buckley.
The composite might suck up to Pat but it doesn’t trust him and it is using his blog as its playground.
What the composite is doing on Pat Buckley’s blog is typical trolling and it is well fed by many who rise to its goading and play its games.

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It must be very frustrating for you that MC’s identity will never be known. And to further compound your frustration, whether you post under ‘JS’, ‘Brian Redmond’, ‘Fr Francis Ferry’ or ‘Anon’, you and your related comments are now known.

Drink up your laity-funded ‘preprandials’, which are the height of your spiritual exercises.

Such is your reward for your contribution to the wrecking of Maynooth and the Faith in Ireland.

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At 9:43am – I could not care less about the “Magna Carta” Composite’s identity and I am not even remotely associated with any of the aliases you have cited.
I am not a cleric and I don’t drink “preprandials” or anything else for that matter. I am simply an interested and often amused/bemused observer 🙂

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The problem that these clerical boyos have with Magna is, he gets too close to their clerical hypocritical bone!
Magna make life a wee bit uncomfortable for some of the boyos and pricks their collective composite conscience.

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Amen, Fr Preprandial has had his reward with his effete Campari.
Birmingham is full of Muslims. Fr Campari had better not try pull any of his past ‘stunts’ with them…They’ll cut his conceited head off!

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The only composite on this blog are a bunch of priests and aspiring priests who are, more than likely, up to no good, and are keeping an eye on this blog, just in case! A disgrace to the catholic priesthood!

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‘Preprandial’ is certainly redolent and typical of the turgid language spoken by a certain former Gaynooth formator who was a little lacking in the height department. High chairs and grandiloquent speech were employed as a compensatory measure in order to make himself appear superior to others.

He better be careful, though, that he doesn’t bump into some former seminarians on the street…Power disparity days for him are over…

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That pervert f**k better stay in England. The hair stands on my neck every time I enter a catholic church because of my experience with him and that “semenary” (sic).

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