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BLOODY SUNDAY IN DERRY.

This short film of happenings on Bloody Sunday is shocking.

Soldiers referring to the innocent civilians they had shot as “stiffs”!

I knw the soldiers were being stoned – but you don’t react to protestors with live rounds.

I think it’s disgraceful that onle 1 of the 17 soldiers is being prosecuted.

I’m afraid the British have caused and left mayhem in every country they have been in.

They would be quite entitled to shoot armed paramilitaries – but not civilians on a civil rights protest.

I am neither a Republican on Nationalist – and I’m certainly not a Unionist.

I would like to see a “New Ireland” where people of all types could live together in peace.

Part of creating that is to address the injustices of the past – on all sides.

Terrorism is evil — whether the terrorism of paramilitaries or the terrorism of the state.

In fact state terrorism is worse – because we expect more of the state.

The Brits have left a nasty trail in Ireland.

But that does not mean we can kill British soldiers.

But we should hold them accountable when they murder the innocent.

78 replies on “BLOODY SUNDAY IN DERRY.”

The soldiers were also being fired upon, by IRA terrorists.
What the bloody freakin’ hell did you expect them to do, Bishop Pat?

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Read the Saville report you clown. 14 innocent civilians murdered and this is your view on your colonial masters. As the saying goes, “it is not those who inflict the most but those who endure the most who will conquer.”

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8:42
I’m aware of the Saville Report, but like many here, you introduce strawmen to win an argument. Yes, those soldiers shot dead innocent people, but they were first fired upon from Rossville flats by the IRA . Had the IRA not opened fire that day, those soldiers would not have run amok. Simple as that. For crying out loud, it was the Parachute Regiment they were firing upon! How bloody stupid can persons be. But then, it was the IRA who lit the touch paper that day, thick as the proverbial two short planks.
Grow up, you republican pratts and take some of the blame for what happened.
You wimps!😆

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You stick to reading the whitewashed Widgery report you ill informed revisionist fool. So, your logic is that they were fired upon by the IRA from the Rossville flats and that somehow justifies murdering 14 unarmed innocent civilians.

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10:19

Learn to think before you type. I never stated that it justified the killing of innocent people; I even used the word ‘innocent’ in my post.

NOTHING justifies their killing. But it is a cowardly evasion of historical fact to ignore the fundamental role played that day by IRA snipers ensconced in Rossville flats. It was their actions that caused those soldiers to run amok, and I now believe that was the intention of the terrorists: to cause panic AND the killing of their own people for maximum political gain. It was an attempt by them to provoke nationalists, through their killing by British soldiers, into all-out war against the British. The IRA’s forebears tried it in 1916, with their occupation of the General Post Office in what was then known as ‘Sackville Street’.

These fanatics, with their obsession on blood sacrifice, were willing, like those in 1916, to offer up even there own people, the innocent, for ideological goals they held more sacred than innocent human life.

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@9,46. You say you are aware of the Saville report, but did you read it? I quote, “Lord Saville said it was Lieutenant N who fired the first shots in the Bogside.” Educate yourself and try not to be an apologist for murderers.

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11:11

You are twisting words here, and I am not going to let you get away with it. That statement refers to the first shots fired BY THE SOLDIERS, not the very first shots that were fired that day; these, as you well know, were by IRA snipers.

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I’ve been in pub tonight debating with friends why only one soldier is to be prosecuted.
There seems a strong consensus that the Paras. were poorly briefed or prepared and reacted completely disproportionately: in effect they illegally used lethal force by shooting at unarmed civilians.
The dilemma for the public prosecution service is in determining which individual soldiers fired which injurious or fatal shot and whether there is sufficient evidence on that to provide any realistic prospect of conviction of any individual soldier. Onlooking witnesses statements of seeing individuals wrongfully shot from a group of soldiers firing is insufficient in law to convict either an individual or the group in total. (Joint enterprise would not apply in the Derry scenario)
But there seems strong consensus that those “in charge” deserve strong condemnation if not prosecution.
MMM

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Magna: While I accept your interpretation of the chronological possibility of the consequential effects of the IRAs actions on Bloody Sunday, nevertheless I do not believe it reasonably excuses soldiers shooting unarmed civilians even amidst general mayhem and widespread provocation.
The legitimate use of force is well understood both in common law and statutory legislation. To highlight/simplify its core principles: “the use of force is only justified if used in defence of self or another, and must only be a proportionate response to any perceived threat.” While this applies to any use of force, certainly the use of lethal force is even more closely prescribed.
In that latter respect Just Saying’s comment referring to the Rules of Engagement is a very reasonable comment and criticism with call for a court to examine the facts. [ I have had no knowledge that ballistic evidential material identifying specific soldiers existed and trust JS is correct in that assertion.]
While I do acknowledge your comment at 10:40: “Nothing justifies their killing…etc”, as your comment reads, and whether you acknowledge it or not, the manner of your reference to IRA provocation appears to justify the soldiers’ lethal retaliation. I here emphasise “appears”. If that was your conscious intention I think you are grossly out of order. If it was unintentional no doubt you will respond appropriately.
MMM

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MMM at 2:25, you have drawn an unfortunate and, indeed, untrue inference from my earlier post. So I shall repeat what I said in it: ‘NOTHING justifies their killing.’ What isn’t clear here?😕 There seems to me to be absolutely no equivocation in that statement; none at all. Zilch!
Therefore I can conclude only that you believed about me what you wanted to believe and chose to believe, in order to make mischief. For that YOU are ‘grossly out of order’.
I shall put this another way: while absolutely nothing justifies those killings, either morally or militarily, nevertheless it IS morally wrong, and historically dissonant, to attempt to pin culpability for the killings solely on British soldiers. Both the Provisional IRA and the Official IRA mounted joint operations that day, even though they had fallen out with each other ideologically; and they were armed to the teeth: Thompson sub-machine guns, at least one American Garand, carbine rifles, sidearms, etc. And for some time before that Sunday, they had engaged in weapons-training…in preparation for a march that had already been declared unlawful.
Both IRA groups saw, clearly saw, an opportunity to make political capital out of a tension-ridden town, Londonderry.
These terrorists strategically positioned themselves in elevated positions, from where they could, and did, open fire, unprovoked, on British soldiers. Both IRA groups set up their own people as targets. They wanted fatalities among their own people, in order to set off revolution in Northern Ireland, just as their forebears had attempted to do in Dublin, in 1916. This marks the degree of callousness to which these terrorists had plummeted
Let me make this absolutely clear to you: primary responsibility, both morally and historically, for the unjustifiable killing of innocent people that Sunday lies, not with British soldiers, but with the IRA. The soldiers were spooked, deliberately and intentionally, by the IRA into running amok. These republican bastards knew what would happen, but they did not give a f**k! Those innocent lives meant nothing to them, absolutely nothing. What mattered were their cherished, Celtic mythological goals. These murderers sacrificed their own people…for a dream, an abstraction.
I know that this is something many don’t want to hear, but as Bishop Pat’s masthead declares: ‘The truth will set you free, even if the truth is revolting.’

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Magna, surely more is expected from state forces than paramilitary forces? I am also a bit surprised by your Londonderry.

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Magna: I neither have nor had any intention to “make mischief “. I have neither the facts nor information you profess in your interpretation of IRA activities and make no judgement on that matter. But the fact remains that your emphasis on your interpretation previously and at 3:22 continues to present as a justification for the shootings despite your protestations otherwise.
I leave others to consider it and say no more on the matter.
MMM

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Bishop Pat at 3:50, ‘state forces’? Really? What a way of depersonalising, and dehumanising, individuals by lumping them together as some nameless collective. When all is said and done, they were, however professionally trained, young men who, without ANY provocation on their part, were being fired on by concealed gunmen. Have you even tried to imagine the fear this must have evoked? The rising panic?
You are not looking at this in the round, I think. The IRA, both provisionals and officials working jointly, deliberately and intentionally provoked those soldiers into a state of high panic. There is nothing more likely to evoke such a state than an inability to defend yourself against a hidden enemy’s deliberately attempt to kill.
Blame for these killings lies both with British soldiers AND with the IRA. But primary responsibility rests with the latter, because without their deliberate and intentional firing on soldiers that Sunday, those innocent lives would not have been taken.
As for my use of ‘Londonderry’, this was the name of the town at that time; and, indeed, legally it still is. The name cannot be changed except by Act of Parliament.
I’m surprised my use of the name bothers you. Your remark, to be honest, sounds more censorious than inquisitive. I don’t feel surprise when others choose to call the city ‘Derry’; I respect their freedom to do so. Ordinarily. I call the city ‘Derry’ miyself and the county it is in ‘Londonderry’; this is the compromise I have made. I’m willing to bet that no Irish nationalist (and certainly no Irish republican) has done likewise.

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The Paras were always a disaster for the community.
I witnessed their misbehaviour on the Falls Road from 1978 to 1983.The RUC chief superintendent often cursed them to me and said they made his job impossible – and he was an ex major.
Paras on the streets was a massive provocation

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Bishop Pat at 6:20
With respect, how is your post relevant to the role of the Provisional and Official IRA on 30 January 1972?
What has it to do with their planned operation to exploit tensions in Londonderry at that time by attempting to kill British soldiers through sniping at them from elevated positions?
You do realise, don’t you, that the presence there of armed IRA gangs was no coincidence? Don’t you? I know you are not naive, so I’m assuming you accept that their presence was deliberate, not coincidental. I’m assuming, too, you accept that they were armed with a purpose. They were there spoiling for a fight, intending to provoke the soldiers by sending them into a panic. I believe, firmly, that the IRA that day lit a fuse which indirectly led to the deaths of innocent people. The IRA lit the fuse, not those soldiers.
If any soldier is to appear in the dock for those killings, the IRA that day in Londonderry should be there with him.

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It is time for an Independent Republic of Northern Ireland. Leave the North stand on it’s own two feet. In the EU if the North prefers.

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Now you are taking ! The UK would be delighted to get rid of NI. The Republic simply would not want NI. The DUP are going a very good job of alienating most people in the UK by their blatant political and economic blackmail over Brexit. People will not forget that when their votes are no longer needed. Oh, and by the way, the DUP with all its pro-Brexit muscle at the moment, is in no way representative of the view of NI which voted to remain in the EU. What a crew, the DUP are ! And they still have amongst them Paisley Jnr, who is dodgy, and probably longing for his next all-expenses paid for freebie. As if he’s not paid enough already by us.

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1. 28 unarmed civilians were shot.
2. 14 unarmed civilians were killed.
3. Various inquiries over the decades have been able to establish that these people were innocent.
4. Various inquiries over the decades have been able to prove through ballistic evidence which gun, and which soldier who held that gun, killed which victim.
5. Rules of engagement (RoE) were not followed, contrary to instruction.
6. Overall command and control of the troops was lost by those in command.
What more do people want to show that there was grave and tragic wrongdoing on that day on behalf on the Army, which resulted in so many deaths and so much injury ?
Soldiers are not above the law. The law continues to apply even in conflict and war. It is clarified for a soldier by rules of engagement, which he will know, and will carry on a card in his pocket. A soldier is required to act within his rules of engagement. In general these will say that you can only fire on someone who has fired on you or who is an imminent threat to life and limb. You can only fire single aimed shots. You cannot shoot somebody who is not a threat to you. Etc etc. They are quite specific. If a soldier does not act within his rules of engagement, then he is in breach of the RoE and possibly criminal liability.
The passage of time has made it difficult to garner all the evidence necessary to ensure that there is a realistic prospect of conviction in the case of all the soldiers concerned; witnesses have died, memories have failed, no doubt documentary evidence has been lost or disappeared. The decades that have passed have eroded much of the evidence, testamentary and documentary, that could be used.
In the case of the one soldier who has been charged, it must be the case that the prosecuting authorise have sufficient evidence to show that he acted outside of his RoE and criminally, and that as a result a number of people were killed and injured by him and his actions.
It is absolutely right, even after this passage of time and difficulty with evidence, that the case against this soldier is tested in court. He is not being made a scapegoat, he is simply being required to answer for what he did on that day, with the evidence so far suggesting that he acted outside his RoE and criminally. Absolving him of answering these charges by saying that he was simply doing his duty and serving his country is laughable. He was required, by his country’s and Army’s RoE and law, to do his duty within the law. It appears that he egregiously failed to do so. He is therefore liable. A court will decide if he is guilty.
We have been discussing the Pell case recently. So often cases like Pell involve offences that took place decades ago. However, it is well established that no matter what the passage of time, a crime should be investigated and prosecuted if at all possible. There are some countries and some crimes that have a statute of limitation on them, especially in the USA. But, not in Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or I suspect in the Republic of Ireland. So, notwithstanding the passage of time, these crimes should be investigated.
These soldiers are not too old to be tried. We try child abusers well in to their 70s, 80, even 90s. The oldest child abuser to be tried and sentenced in England (he got 7 years) was 100 years old !
Wider accountability has still not been addressed on what happened in Derry on Bloody Sunday – command and control. Those in command have serious questions to answer. If their troops lost control and acted illegally, then the question needs to be asked about their responsibility for their troops who were out of control.
Finally, IRA murders and killings, not just on that day, but throughout The Troubles, should also continue to be pursued. They may not have had RoE, but many of the killings and murders by the IRA were equally as criminal and deserving of prosecution as the killings and murders by the British soldiers on Bloody Sunday.

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There was panic that day among the soldiers, something which, in your longwinded post, you ignored. It does happen in time of conflict, and it is, or should be, a mitigating factor, rules of engagement or no.

The area of operations included high-rise flats, and in some of these were ensconced IRA snipers. Without ANY provocation from soldiers of the Parachute Regiment, these opened fire. The soldiers were on low ground. The result? Panic smong the men, as they could not fire back at well-concealed gunmen. The IRA knew what they were doing that day. They knew that the best position for a sniper was high ground. They deliberately occupied high ground that day, with the sole intention of killing British soldiers. They knew what would result from that: soldiers panicking and opening fire on anyone.

Republicans and nationalists here love to whine (and how!), but whine selectively. And their greatest, wilful blindspot is the role, the fundamental causal role, played that day by concealed IRA snipers in Rossville flats.

Try taking into consideration ALL relevant facts before posting your next essay.

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There is something I must add, which republicans here have lied about for decades, and which nationalists have not had the stomach to accept: the IRA in Londonderry on that January in 1972 KNOWINGLY AND DELIBERATELY made sacrificial lambs of those innocent people who were shot dead or wounded. And they did it for political advantage.

They were, and they remain, murderers, ironically even of their own people.😕

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What galls me is that the British soldiers and their supporters in parliament are now all talking about how it was a ‘war’ etc.
Yet at the time, 10 men died because apparently it wasn’t a ‘war’. They had to wear prison uniform because they were, ‘common criminals’ according to Maggie thatcher.
They change the language and the rules according to what suits them.
They shot Aidan McAnespie walking over the border to watch a football match and many others. How many hours in total have British soldiers ever spent in gaol for these crimes?
Makes my blood chill to hear the fake versions spewing out of Magna.
That man is definitely twisted. He sounds like Cathal Daily. Apologist. He’s right, slap-bang IN the Pale.

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12:31
Wars are declared between states, not between a sovereign government and insurrectionists. The language you claim is being used by others could only, legally speaking, be used metaphorically. You’re too literal for your own good. Or is it just too stupid?
Does your blood boil that none (not one) of the IRA terrorists involved in the sectarian car-bombing in Claudy (predominantly Protestant village in the North West) in 1972 (in which, among other children, a nine-year-old girl was murdered) were ever held to account for it?
Does your blood boil a little stronger to know that a Roman Catholic priest knew of the bombers intentions and ‘absolved’ them of their sins afterwards, er, just in case their consciences were troubling them a little?
Does your blood boil more furiously to know that the relatives of most of those murdered by the IRA never had, and never will have, their day in court?
So I’m ‘twisted’ because I hold an idelogical position that disagrees with yours? When will you people, Irish republicans/nationalists, stop whining, stop saying ‘ “snot fair (sniff), so “snot’.
For Christ’s sake grow up!

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3:18
What was happening in Northern Ireland was not a so-called ‘war of independence’.
As I’ve already posted to Bishop Pat:
‘the British do sometimes engage in double-speak.
The Irish just lie.’😆

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Very disappointed in your attitude, Bp Pat. However, it won’t stop you collecting your ‘vital’ free repeat prescriptions every two-months, or so courtesy of the UK.

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9:48…Why do you want to personalise this debate ? Argue to the issue, not to the man, please. It is so low of you to use + Pat’s medical issues a part of any argument. We know exactly what you are getting at. But, one of the good things about + Pat, is that he is open and honest about who he is and what he is. So, 9:48, just stick to the issue.

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Now you are taking ! The UK would be delighted to get rid of NI. The Republic simply would not want NI. The DUP are going a very good job of alienating most people in the UK by their blatant political and economic blackmail over Brexit. People will not forget that when their votes are no longer needed. Oh, and by the way, the DUP with all its pro-Brexit muscle at the moment, is in no way representative of the view of NI which voted to remain in the EU. What a crew, the DUP are ! And they still have amongst them Paisley Jnr, who is dodgy, and probably longing for his next all-expenses paid for freebie. As if he’s not paid enough already by us.

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10.32 That is a non sequitur.
The position has changed. A majority of people in the Six Counties voted to remain in the EU.

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1:30

Ohhh, you naughty mischief-maker! The other poster is right, and you are wrong.

Northern Ireland did not vote as a separate entity, but as a constituent of the United Kingdom.

You can deceive yourself about this as much as you foolishly wish, but it won’t alter the truth, now will it?😆

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The entity comprising the Six Counties was sufficiently separate at the referendum to reveal how its people voted. The same argument holds for Scotland with similar political consequences.

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Strange and savage times. Women tarred and feathered. Boys knee capped. The Miami Show and gunned down in cold blood on their way home from a gig. The lead singer deliberately shot several times in the face. No wonder the paras panicked when they were fired on. What you give out tends to come back.

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Those poor wee paras. They were all so frightened with their big guns.

When they all got back to base Lt Colonel Tarquin Merriwether had to change their nappies and put them down in their cots for days.

They shot in blind panic so they did; and shat themselves to boot. Poor little blighters. Innocents abroad they were.

Gave the mouthy Irish bastards looking for their human rights something to think about though eh Magna Carta?

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11:59

That isn’t Magna you’re addressing.

I shan’t mention your faux pas to anyone else; I promise. Spare you extra embarrassment.😆

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@11.01
Put your list in chronological order, including the massacres of Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy please!!
What does the UVF ( aided by security forces) slaughter of the Miami have to do with paras shooting Catholics?
You sound like an ill-informed johnny come lately who either never lived through these times or was safely ensconced south of the border keeping well clear of those contaminated Catholics north of it, afraid you might catch something.
You are not spouting just shite, you are spouting HIGHLY OFFENSIVE shite. Would you mind telling us all just what exactly the Bloody Sunday and ballymurphy victims ” gave out” that “came back”?
Are you aware that relatives could be reading this blog who might want you to legally support what you have just insinuated?
I am incandescent at reading what you have just said. Apologise and detract IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!

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Pat,
I note you have removed the scurrilous comment of 11.01
Expression of strong opinions is fine, and a safe outlet for anger, but casting aspersions on those innocents butchered by an army is out of order.
That poster should have known better; I hope you’ve had a word.
At least the obnoxious Magna didn’t sink that low.

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Folks, the Magna Carta Composite is at its work again today speaking this time with the voice of Maggie Thatcher. Ignore it.
Stop engaging with it. If you were all to side with the Brutish Army Paras, Carta would then pretend to have had a relative killed on Bloody Sunday and attack you all from that perspective!!!
Stop playing the Composite’s sad and pathetic little games. Cut it out of the discussion and refuse to rise to its bait no matter how offensive and provocative it seeks to be.
#nomoreCartabait

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I don’t agree. I can see through his BS and his habit of making stuff up and expressing it in a way that he thinks makes him look intelligent. Let him spout off but challenge the many inaccuracies that he implies as facts.

My guess, he’s quite an insecure individual more to be pitied than ridiculed.

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Totally agree! No more Carta bait!
Today Carta is Arlene Foster …. or is it Sammy Wilson???!!
Time to ditch this troll or these trolls (whatever).
If Pat Buckley won’t wise up and rule it off the pitch then we can take action by just ignoring it.
I know it’s hard to ignore such nasty and vitriolic siren posts but we could at least try.
Send Carta to Coventry!

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Send clerical abusers and those who cover up for them to the Clink! That would sort out the abuse crisis, pronto!

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11:22, 11:41, 11:52

Hah, hah, hah 😅

I’ve hit bullseyes here, haven’t I?

You always know when you have an Irish republican/nationalist wrongfooted…because he makes it embarrasingly obvious that he’s butthurt.😅

😆

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Some Down and Connor sems in Maynooth were notable for being gay and pro-unionist.

They were into embroidery and fellas and they hated and mocked all things “Irish”, including our language which they referred to as “nyuck nyuck”, with venom.

Just some of them now – by no means all of them. The “anti-Irish” one’s though stood out on account of their Queenliness 😉

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Pat, recently you are showing huge deficiencies in your moral, ethical and spiritual judgments. The Bloody Sunday atrocity and tragedy should not be treated by Magna in so insulting, sickening and horrible way, all for his own self glory. He is offensive, abusive and insensitive to all families. You should stop printing his obnoxious, drink fuelled comments. They are inappropriate at this time.

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“Magna Carta” doesn’t “think” anything, Pat! It’s all a game and a laugh for it. And the joke is on you!
If the consensus on your blog was pro-Para, it would be scathingly attacking and denouncing, with all of its characteristic vitriol, Britain and the paras.
The views it is espousing today, incidentally, are the views propounded by the worst bigots in the North.
They are out of the same stable as those who would attempt to say that Moslems have only themselves to blame for the New Zealand attacks.

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12:26
You have the mindset of an Irish republican: absolutely silence all criticism, all opposition. (Come to think of it, this is the mindset of the institutional Roman Catholic Church as well. Are you RC, too? Double handicap!😲)
You cowards are really tyrants at heart.
And talk about emotional? You have the affective maturity of an adolescent.😕
😆

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1.29: Magna, sadly, you have lost all moral integrity. Your comments are inflammatory, ignorant and even more sadly, you are sozzled blind by drink. You are close to an irredeemable breakdown. And I hope you soon get help for your erratic, abusive and intemperate behaviour.

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1.29: Magna, you are a shabby piece if humanity, bereft of human ferlings. Your control of this blog today with your twisted sense of history and lies is an insult to all families of Bloody Sunday. Shame on your ignorance and abuse. Shame on Pat for encouraging you.

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Hello fly, hi. Begorra fly, that’s it in a nutshell. If only people could progress as the Good Lord would want.
Too many don’t and won’t cos they think they know better fly. Bye hi fly.

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12.28: You don’t get it Pat. Magna’s wirds are like an incendary bomb. They light up hatred, prejudice, bias, enmity and division. He is being deliberately provocative today, taking over the blog and obnoxiously insufferable. You should not facilitate his hate speech. You are morally wrong to encourage this weasel. Think of the families first and foremost.

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Have just reported the comments on this blog to Eamonn McCann. I especially pointed out the hurt and pain to the families caused by this MC character. You’ll be hearing more about this when McCann is finished.

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I did reply to your post much earlier, but Bishop Pat did not publish my comment.
If you believe that running to Eamon McCann to cry on his shoulder is going to prevent me from expressing my opinion on what happened in Londonderry on 30 January 1972, you are naive. We don’t live in a totalitarian state.

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The raw objective truth is that the so called “elite” of the British Army (a supposedly professional organisation) behaved like out of control thugs and slaughtered 14 innocent civilians. Irish lives are expendable to Britain. Regardless of anyone’s political belief, it is the job of the state which governs them to ensure that state forces uphold law and order. This does not give state forces the lawful right to carry out summary executions as in Derry or Ballymurphy. Otherwise they become no better than the paramilitaries. That the perpetrators of these state executions have evaded justice for so long is a travesty

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Magna. I am not here to defend the IRA but the responsibility for the taking of those 14 lives in Derry lies fairly and squarely with the Paras. No one else. As for the six counties voting as part of the uk I’m afraid that unionists will only use this argument when it suits. They didn’t accept the national vote in 1918 and by threat of violence, because the majority in the six counties voted against home rule, the state known as Northern Ireland was set up and maintained. This despite the fact that the election was for the whole of the Irish nation. So they will use the ‘national’ argument when it suits their purpose. I am a bit surprised by the contents of the blog today. Britain’s involvement in Irish affairs has been, to say the least, shameful. Let the families of ALL who have been murdered get justice.

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5:05

You’re ‘not here to defend the IRA’? And yet you proceed to defend them anyway by absolving them of all responsibility for what happened that day.

You’re a fool.

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The “Carta” fools are broadcasting today on behalf of the “Democratic Unionist Party” 🙄😴

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Send Timmy down to the parochial house and Fr will give him one for you. He won’t mind. Sure what else would he be doing of a Saturday night? He’ll be glad of the company for Timmy is right craic.

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6:28 Magna. No I’m not a fool Magna. Far from it. A so called elite of a professional army opened fire and killed 14 innocent civilians. Facts not opinion Magna. Who pulled the trigger Magna? I usually have a lot of time for your posts as they come across as well informed but on this occasion I am disappointed at your ill informed comments

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