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FRENCH EUROPEAN MINISTER CALLS ON HOLY SEE TO REVOKE NUNCIOS DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY.

BLOGGING FROM ROME 20TH – 27TH OF MARCH.

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Archbishop Luigi Ventura is accused of inappropriately touching a young male staffer of Paris City Hall
France’s European affairs minister encouraged the Holy See last week to aid in an investigation of the apostolic nuncio to France, who has been accused of sexual assault in Paris.

Archbishop Luigi Ventura, 74, is accused of having inappropriately touched a young male staffer of Paris City Hall during a Jan. 17 reception for the New Year address of Paris mayor Anne Hidalgo. He is being investigated by Parisian authorities.
Nathalie Loiseau, France’s Minister of European Affiars, told French television channel CNews March 1 that “this inquiry needs to be allowed to reach its conclusion, what matters is that the truth be known.”
“At this point, [Archbishop Ventura] benefits from diplomatic immunity, but the Holy See is clearly aware of the serious accusations that have been brought against the apostolic nuncio and I don’t doubt for a second that the Holy See will do the right thing … I’m waiting for the Holy See to take its responsibilities in hand.”
The deputy in the Ministry of Europe and Foreign Affairs added that “if the facts are proven, they are very serious because when you are a religious leader you are supposed to have a moral authority, so I would say that’s an aggravating circumstance.”
Diplomatic immunity, which allows diplomats in a country to do their work without fear of interference from the host country’s laws or lawsuits from the host country, is based in the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961.
The need for the practice has been highlighted by various accusations of spying or other wrongdoing between two countries with strained relationships. But the standard diplomatic protections can be removed by the diplomat’s home country, in special circumstances and at the country’s discretion.
In recent years, the Holy See’s practice has generally been to recall diplomats accused of civil crimes in their host countries. They are then tried by the civil court in the Vatican and by a canonical court, and they may later be stripped of diplomatic immunity so they can also be prosecuted by the host country.
For example, allegations of sexual misconduct arose against the apostolic nuncio to the Dominican Republic in 2013. The nuncio, Archbishop Józef Wesołowski, resigned later that year.
Wesołowski was found guilty of sexual abuse by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in June 2014, and was subjected to dismissal from the clerical state. Vatican City then decided also to hold a criminal trial for the former diplomat on charges of pedophilic acts and possession of child pornography. Wesołowski died in August 2015 while awaiting his criminal trial.
In August 2014, then-Holy See press officer Fr. Federico Lombari said that Wesołowski may “be subjected to judicial procedures from the courts that could have specific jurisdiction over him” in the Dominican Republic, and that he no longer had diplomatic immunity as he had been removed from his post as nuncio.
Lombardi added that the Vatican had “from the very first moments that this case was made known to them, moved without delay and correctly in light of the fact that former nuncio Wesołowski held the position of a diplomatic representative of the Holy See,” particularly in recalling the former nuncio to Rome for canonical trial.
Similarly, in April 2018 Vatican police arrested former diplomat Fr. Carlo Alberto Capella, who was being investigation for the violation of laws concerning the possession of child pornography and its distribution or sale.
Capella was recalled from the US Nunciature in September 2017 after the Vatican was informed by the US State Department that there was a “possible violation of laws relating to child pornography images” by a member of the Holy See’s diplomatic corps.
The US State Department requested that the Vatican lift Capella’s diplomatic immunity, which requeste was declined. However, information regarding the findings of the US State Department was passed along to the Vatican’s Promoter of Justice.
Ventura has served as nuncio to France since 2009.
He was also accused last month of sexual misconduct against an adult male in Canada in 2008.
Christian Vachon, who was 32 at the time of alleged incident, says Ventura touched his buttocks at least twice during a banquet held at the Basilica of Sainte-Anne-de-Beaupré, near Quebec.
Ventura was ordained a priest of the Diocese of Brescia in 1969. He entered the diplomatic service of the Holy See in 1978 and was stationed in Brazil, Bolivia, and the UK. From 1984 to 1995 he was appointed to serve at the Secretariat of State in the Section for Relations with States.
After his episcopal consecration in 1995, Ventura served as nuncio to Ivory Coast, Burkina Faso, Niger, Chile, and Canada, before his transfer to France.

PAT SAYS

It seems that Ventura has a lifetime habit of groping young men.

That the Vatican continued to promote him, knowing this, makes them worse than Ventura.

They just don’t give a damn about anyone.

They do what they want and hide behind immunity.

Italy should overturn the 1929 Concordat making the Vatican a state.

Then civil administrations around the world could have their police, prosecutors, judges and prison officers deal with these cynics.

64 replies on “FRENCH EUROPEAN MINISTER CALLS ON HOLY SEE TO REVOKE NUNCIOS DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY.”

Despite all of these moral scandals, bishops in Ireland continue to ordain men, regardless of apparent moral evidence against them, like naked, or semi-naked, selfies on Grindr, and other such apps.
When will the sheep, not just in Ireland but elsewhere, start bleating in righteous revolt against these clerical ticks?
Stop feeding the moral and personal indolence of these f****n’ parasites with your hard-earned cash. Let these clerical VERMIN work for a living, because the VAST majority of these financial spongers have little or nothing to do from day to day.
(Just a suggestion, like.😆)

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10:13
In your haste to offer your disparaging comment and jump on the band-wagon it must have escaped your less than close reading of the article that he is actually a she.

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Hail good Catholics of Ireland!

Men, our bishops are most certainly not.

No usual press conference given post recent Spring conference.

You may as well be giving our bishops buckets of sand to stick their heads in.

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Pat+,

Do these stupid laity not know their place? Their job is to keep us filled with Chateauneuf-du-Pape and Barolo! Not to question how I run St Pat’s.

Ungrateful malcontents, troublemakers and dissidents is what they are.

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And when those auld crathers were outside singing and craw-thumping the bishops were inside cracking their shites laughing.

Who’s the priest with them? Scary looking dude! I’d say he’d give a fair hefty penance for onanistic activities!

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That’s the old, greying Irish Church, that never got anything out of Vatican II, and clings desperately to childhood hymns and catechism.

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2.33: What a pervy slapper you must be..you idiot. If your faith and Christianity were as sincere as Lumen Fidei, you would be a better person..

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It was nice to see his Grace Archbishop Cushley celebrate Holy Mass on Tuesday for the First Anniversary of the Death of Cardinal Keith Patrick O’Brien.
And the Cardinal’s friends also had Holy Mass for the Late Cardinal.
The people of Saint Andrews and Edinburgh should be made aware of the Accusers and thankfully only one left in active ministry however those not keeping to their vows in the Archdiocese should leave NOW.
As for Glasgay we all know who you are sadly there is very weak leadership in Glasgow but the next Archbishop (Bishop Keenan) will sort it all out.
Soon Archbishop Cushley and Arch Bishop Eammon Martin will be made cardinals

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How does @10:10am think that John Keenan will sort out Glasgow when in his own Diocese of Paisley he supports the mendacious Courage? Though I am not suggesting Keenan is himself compromised, it will be KOB over again, preaching against evil gay lifestyles while the queens get on with business as usual. At least the German bishops are coming to terms with reality, and even Edward Leigh MP whom I had thought a bit of a shit is arguing for admitting all to communion.

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“Christian Vachon, who was 32 at the time of alleged incident, says Ventura touched his buttocks at least twice during a banquet held at the Basilica of Sainte-Anne-de-Beaupré, near Quebec.”
Christian is now a “victim” and a “survivor.” One of the “walking wounded.”

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Pat Mullaney do love the auld embassy parties the vol au vents the champers and the sweet treats to die for I do be gettin a bit pudgy says Mullaney Pat

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12.36: Magna, what drugs did you take to inspire such beautiful words? When you reflect seriously on your words, they diminish your humanity and dignity (if you have such), not the subject matter of the blog today. Vermin….pot, kettle, black….the word suitably defines your disposition.

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“not” was left out of the quoted sentence.

Rectitude and honesty are unintelligible concepts to the current crop of gangsters holed up in Citta Del Vaticano.

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It’s all mint lads.👍
Sure isn’t the Nuncio entitled to his little grope? There are way too many pious fools in the priesthood anyway!
D’ ya know like? 🤣🤣🤣

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As long as they have access to the internet, it won’t bother trainee pulpit pooves where they prepare for whordination.

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1.37: You are definitely a pervert and a sleazy piece of humanity. Horrible. Undoubtedly you are pure!

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Pity.
So it appears that those dopes of bishops intend to stop providing guinea pigs to avant-garde formators, like me, who endeavour to establish the correlation between erections and mystical contemplation.
Look’s like I got out of there just in time!
Bye, bye FOOLS! Ha, ha, ha 🖕

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Must be tough all the same, Pat, trying to come up all the time, with juicy pieces of scandal and gossip, that you need to regurgitate articles from the internet that we have already read.

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Pat, that photo does you no favours. You are as bad as the Roman clerics strutting their stuff on the cobblestones of Rome….The ring: the cross: the watch…..the wine….Thought you had humility. Pat, you are as blatant in hypocrisy as the ones you condemn…

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I see Denis Bradley is one of the preachers at the Graan novena. I thought that laicised priests were not allowed to preach.

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Nothing. Larry is bland and spineless. He’s yet another ‘managing decline’ merchant. Joe Duffy ran Clogher into the ground and a generation of Clogher priests who’d now be in their fifties left en masse when Joe was on the seat.

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3.17 Begorra Begosh and bedazzled I wonder what he has to say hi Soo whats the differ between a talk and a preach hi? Maybe tis the length of the words. Do all these holy nunnies preach talk or is there a difference think Ill ask Dr Sherry QC next time i pop a cork but

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He’s not preaching. He’s giving an address. He has a lot of skills, much experience and something to say. A good choice. Too bad you are preoccupied with rubrics and norms and are seeking to have them used to exert power and stop the address.

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What’s the difference between preaching, a sermon, a homily or an address? Answers on a postcard, please. The thing is he took his hand off the plough.

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Now that my old brothel is closing down. I believe it’s time for a vote on who was the best President in the history of Maynooth. Surely it’s a toss up between me and Connolly? 😜

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Do ya no what hi I wonder if some of these auld boyos with the hands what wander have Alzheimer s or the like Sure allot may be puppets on a Rosary String hi. Sensitive matter Pat? Will they give a toss in th long run hi.
Spring time is sheep time hi so are the poor old faithful not yet departed being shown a viable alternative hi Baaad if they are not. Show us the goods hi. The opposite of a religious Brexit is Hi

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8:04 Hello fly hi, tis a case of roamin hands fly and rushin fingers syndrome hi.
He musta got carried away with himselfie. Where can sheep safely graze fly
and Ba without meetin a wolf in sheeps clothin hi ?
Religious Brexit is church exit and happenin fast. Bring on super priest! Bye fly hi.

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Are there no depths to which these mongrels won’t stoop? Just read about a 75 year old priest in Austin Texas who whilst administering the last rites, massaged the patients breast and played with her nipple asking her if it felt good. He then tried to slip his hand through her diaper. This organisation is corrupted beyond belief yet still there are those who defend them!! Mind boggling

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8.46: There is no way any abuse in the Church (or in society any or in any organisation) should be tolerated, defended or lessened in its destructiveness. There are, sadly, many psychologically sick clerics who have (and still happening) wreaked havoc on very vulnerable people. They should be named, placed before civil courts and convicted accordingly. Pope Francis needs to immediately restate a zero tolerance policy. Instantly. The final and ultimate judgment is of God but there should be no place in the Church for any kind of abuse. At this stage of my life, late 70’s I am more disgusted than ever about the leadership of the Church to which I have given my life for. I have always put the welfare of people’s lives first – (not always successfuy) – all my life and only focus now on the “essence” of the gospel of Christ, that of trying to be a merciful, kind, welcoming, understanding and supportive priest, helping people in whatever way I can, albeit it with less energy and enthusiasm. I would not encourage a vocation to Diocesan priesthood but I would advise someone to work for years in the world of everyday life. I work now out of a more reflective priesthood and give of myself as best I can. I do not seek sympathy as I know that we are in a crisis of our own making. However, I will continue my work as faithfully and caringly as possible. I wish our hierarchy and our Pope would be more committed to truly caring for the many hurt, wounded and grieving victims/survivors of abuse by clerics. Though much is being done, thankfully, to make our parishes more caring and safer, the response from the leaders is too halfhearted, slow and self serving. It pains me to say this about a Church I once lived but I cannot, and never have, defended the indefensible. The crises in the Church are destroying the goodwill, faith and support of too many. Where does a 79 year old go from here? “Lord, to whom shall we go” is the question I frequently ask….

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Obviously Francis zero tolerance of abuse isn’t filtering through to his foot soldiers. Bloody joke if it wasn’t so serious

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Diplomatic immunity means nothing if it can be revoked for silly peccadillos. If he had committed a serious crime it would be different.

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Moving article in today’s Irish News by Fr Conor Stainton-Poland (an acquaintance of “Magna Carta). Nice mention too of his saintly classmate Fr Eugene O’Neill.

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Magna darling, wasn’t that the boy of whom you were so envious because he had a double-barrelled name and you didn’t?
Ah yes, Mummy distinctly remembers you coming home one day in a real state because Conor had achieved more points than you at weight watchers.
You hoisted your burly little frame into the tree at the bottom of our patio and refused to come down.
Mummy had to promise to go and find another small animal for you to torture and kill to persuade you to come in for afternoon tea.

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Enjoy Rome, + Pat. I remember many happy years there as a student. I just wish I could go back and spend that time again, and appreciate what a privilege and a blessing it was. But we were young ! Still, I have such happy and fond memories of Rome. So, enjoy !

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Pat, I hope you are enjoying your time in Rome, the Mother and Mistress of all the Churches (and by that I mean the Orthodox and the Churches of the various Catholic rites in communion with Peter and not the Anglicans and other odds & Prods).

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