ONE YEAR AFTER McCARRICKS FALL – A STATUS REPORT ON BISHOP ACCOUNTABILIY

The scandal has led to Theodore McCarrick’s laicization and Vatican norms designed to hold bishops accountable, but investigations into an alleged cover-up continue.

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WASHINGTON — Celebrating his 60th anniversary as a priest with fellow jubilarians in the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C., then-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick received a standing ovation after he affirmed the need for priestly holiness during a May 2018 banquet address, with his successor, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, in attendance.

Yet, by then, both U.S. prelates knew McCarrick was under investigation, following an allegation that he had sexually abused a minor more than 45 years earlier, when he was a priest in New York.

Within five weeks of the jubilee celebrations, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York announced that the allegation against McCarrick was “credible and substantiated,” and he was suspended from public ministry.

A second disclosure, issued on the same day by Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark, New Jersey, divulged secrets that had long been rumored but never publicly confirmed by Church authorities: “This Archdiocese and the Diocese of Metuchen received three allegations of sexual misconduct with adults decades ago; two of these allegations resulted in settlements.”

A year after the revelations left Catholics stunned and angry, Archbishop Wilton Gregory has succeeded Cardinal Wuerl as the archbishop of Washington, multiple seminaries are under investigation, and the Vatican has issued norms that punish bishops who engaged in sexual misconduct or abuse of power. The U.S. bishops are also poised to approve reforms that will make bishops more accountable.

But Catholics still have not received a formal accounting that explains how McCarrick was able to rise to the highest levels of the Church and communicates which Church officials knew about his harassment of seminarians but said nothing.

Summing up the response of many Catholics in the pews, Vickie Schmidt, a victim-survivor of sexual abuse by a priest and the co-author of Soul Light for the Dark Night, told the Register: “I want to know how many people knew about McCarrick in the U.S. hierarchy and in Rome.”

Schmidt also vented her anguish at the shameful evidence of McCarrick’s double life and Church authorities’ failure to protect seminarians and young priests subject to his abuse.

“We are talking about people’s lives,” she said. “The Church is so concerned about priestly vocations, and then it allows something like this to go on in its seminaries.”

Waiting for a Report

The four U.S. dioceses where McCarrick previously served told the Register that they have completed their own investigation and forwarded the results to the Vatican. The Holy See is conducting its own forensic review of archival documents, but no formal report has been issued, nor timeline provided.

The release of a comprehensive and candid report detailing the failures that allowed McCarrick to remain in public ministry is crucial, said Dominican Father Pius Pietrzyk, a canonist at St. Patrick’s Seminary in Menlo Park, California. “You can’t implement a solution to fix a problem if you don’t know how the problem occurred,” Father Pietrzyk told the Register. “We know something, but not enough. And, so far, the Vatican has not given us any information.”

Almost a year after McCarrick’s suspension, whistleblowers within the Church — a former nuncio and alleged victims, New Jersey seminary professors and therapists — continue to provide an informal and fragmented account of the failures that kept McCarrick in the public eye. In late May, Msgr. Anthony Figueiredo, a former priest-secretary to McCarrick, published excerpts from the former prelate’s correspondence on his website.

The excerpts appear to substantiate several claims made by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former apostolic nuncio to the United States who issued an August 2018 “testimony” that accused Pope Francis of lifting restrictions that had been placed on McCarrick’s public ministry by Pope Benedict XVI, despite having knowledge about some of McCarrick’s sexual misconduct.

Archbishop Viganò also alleged that Cardinal Wuerl, among other U.S. prelates and Vatican officials, knew of the sanctions but effectively ignored them. Cardinal Wuerl has repeatedly denied this claim, though other documents have since confirmed that in 2004 he forwarded a report about McCarrick’s misconduct to the apostolic nuncio in Washington.

“These facts show clearly that high-ranking prelates likely had knowledge of McCarrick’s actions and of restrictions imposed upon him during the pontificate of Benedict XVI. They also clearly show that these restrictions were not enforced even before the pontificate of Francis,” stated Msgr. Figueiredo’s report.

The latest headlines reveal that the McCarrick scandal remains an active news story and an open wound for Church leaders and lay Catholics. The ongoing revelations have established a new front in the battle to liberate the Church from predatory clerics, with the focus now shifting to bishop accountability and protections for seminarians.

“It is a pastoral imperative that we get to know what happened with McCarrick — not simply the conclusions of the [Vatican] report, but, as much as possible, the details,” Stephen White, the director of The Catholic Project at The Catholic University of America, told the Register. “The credibility of the bishops has been damaged over this.”

The U.S. Bishops

Last summer, Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston, the president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), pledged that the bishops’ conference “will pursue the many questions surrounding Archbishop McCarrick’s conduct to the full extent of its authority; and where that authority finds its limits, the conference will advocate with those who do have the authority.”

He also acknowledged that the McCarrick scandal spotlighted festering problems at U.S. seminaries. By then, a Catholic seminary “#MeToo Moment” had gained traction, fueled by a passionate debate over the role that homosexual priests had played in the crisis.

Cardinal Seán O’Malley of Boston announced an investigation into St. John’s Seminary, following allegations made by two former seminarians. And Seton Hall University, home to Immaculate Conception Seminary and St. Andrew’s Hall college seminary, promised an independent review of allegations dating back to McCarrick’s tenure, as well as more recent reports of misconduct.

The U.S. bishops had originally planned to vote on new policies related to clergy sexual abuse, addressing the shortcomings that had come to light as a result of the McCarrick scandal, at their last assembly in November.

But that plan was delayed at the Vatican’s request, and Pope Francis called the presidents of national bishops’ conferences to Rome for a February 2019 summit to address the global scourge of clergy abuse, including the problem of unaccountable bishops. And in October, a Holy See Press Office communiqué stated that the Pope had approved a forensic review of relevant documents from the Vatican archives. On May 29, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican’s secretary of state, said that the McCarrick review was continuing and that a declaration about its findings would be issued following its completion. But he provided no information about when the investigation would be complete.

Signs of Progress

In the months since the Holy See and Cardinal DiNardo vowed to examine the systemic problems and unresolved questions posed by the McCarrick scandal, there have been real signs of progress.

Father Boniface Ramsey, a New York priest and former New Jersey seminary professor who warned the apostolic nuncio about McCarrick in 2000, told the Register that McCarrick’s conviction and subsequent laicization secured a major victory for his victims and a critical milestone in the campaign for bishop accountability.

“McCarrick’s laicization was the appropriate response, and anything short of that would have been a disappointment,” said Father Ramsey.

Of equal importance, Pope Francis’ newly released motu proprio on clergy sexual abuse, Vos Estis Lux Mundi, has been applauded by bishops and canonists who say it will offer a strong framework for the upcoming debate and vote on accountability reforms at the U.S. bishops’ June 11-14 meeting in Baltimore.

That’s good news for Cardinal DiNardo, who had planned to secure approval for key accountability reforms at the bishops’ previous meeting in November but was told by the Vatican to delay a vote until after the February abuse summit.

“In the motu proprio, the Holy Father provided clear direction … to all bishops regarding the handling of abuse and harassment allegations and makes clear that bishops are to be held accountable, not only for their actions, but also for their inaction,” Archbishop William Lori of Baltimore told the Register.

Father Pietrzyk, the canonist, noted that a “broad swathe of conduct, even broader than the code indicates, is now subject to mandatory reporting.”

Proscribed conduct includes superiors “using their office as a way to coerce others into sexual activity.” Some “will argue that this is already in the code, but the motu propriomakes it clear,” he said.

The motu proprio effectively bars the imposition of penalties on would-be whistleblowers, and that means it will be hard to bury a claim. The relevant Church authorities “know that the person making the report is free to go public if he is not satisfied with the manner in which his report is being dealt with,” Father Gerald Murray, a New York priest and canonist, told the Register.

There are other signs of progress, like one bishop’s timely investigation of a brother bishop and the adoption of independent reporting systems for receiving claims.

Last September, after Bishop Bransfield of Wheeling-Charleston was accused of sexually harassing seminarians and resigned from office,

Archbishop Lori was appointed apostolic administrator of the West Virginia diocese. He tapped lay experts to help with the investigation and contracted with EthicsPoint, an independent third-party reporting system, to receive additional allegations against Bishop Bransfield.

The probe was completed in five months, and with the findings forwarded to Rome, Pope Francis will make a final judgment.

But Archbishop Lori has already announced that the retired bishop is “not authorized to exercise any priestly or episcopal ministry either within the Diocese of Wheeling-Charleston or within the Archdiocese of Baltimore.”

Both Archbishop Lori and Cardinal O’Malley have contracted with EthicsPoint to receive allegations against bishops in their own dioceses and forward them to the relevant authorities.

And this approach will draw support from Catholics who want the bishops to expand the role of lay experts.

“The most crucial variable in any plan” for making bishops more accountable “is the significant involvement of qualified laypeople,” papal biographer George Weigel told the Register.

Problem Areas

But along with the recent developments that have inspired a sense of hope among disheartened Catholics, there is also cause for disquiet.

The Register has been informed that the high-profile investigations into seminary misconduct in Boston and New Jersey are ongoing, and so no reports will be released for the time being.

Likewise, a USCCB spokeswoman could not confirm when the findings of the four U.S. diocesan investigations into McCarrick’s record and the Vatican review would be released.

Nor could she provide information about whether the bishops may review some details gleaned from the McCarrick investigations at their June meeting. Cardinal DiNardo did not respond to a separate interview request. Back in November, amid questions about the Vatican’s willingness to share documents flagged in its own probe with the USCCB, the bishops voted on a resolution designed to “encourage” Rome to take such action. But Cardinal Tobin and others challenged this move as a sign of disrespect, and the measure was defeated.

‘Second Wave’

Asked whether the U.S. bishops might take up this matter when they convene in June, Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, Kansas, suggested that he and his fellow bishops “will be primarily focused on what we are doing here in the U.S.”

The “second wave” of the abuse crisis, he said, has made bishops like him “hypervigilant” in their oversight and implementation of the original 2002 “Dallas Charter” and more recently expanded areas, like bishop-accountability measures.

But he promised that the conference will continue to “express to the Holy See our desire for transparency. I hope, for the health of the Church, that we will identify what happened and where the ball was dropped.”

And if a comprehensive report is not forthcoming, what recourse do the U.S. bishops have?

The Catholic Project’s Stephen White suggested, “Individual dioceses could release the findings of their investigations,” but he doubted they would take any unilateral action.

Short of that option, White concluded that the bishops could do little more. “The ball,” he said, “is squarely in the Pope’s court.”

Joan Frawley Desmond is a Register senior editor.

60 thoughts on “ONE YEAR AFTER McCARRICKS FALL – A STATUS REPORT ON BISHOP ACCOUNTABILIY

  1. Pat are you attending the Stag in Jakarta. The ex Clogher seminarian has invited are large Irish contingent.

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    1. Can I come?
      -Stephen

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      1. no

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  2. Fly On Th Wall 8th Jun 2019 — 8:42 am

    Tis getting boring so tis. More and more about sex. Sort this stuff out with the civil courts. If we are church peoples where is the prayer and evangelism. Are we just the SAS of sex hi

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    1. I think it’s clear that the purpose of this blog is to demand transparency where there is malpractice in the Church. Inevitably it will focus on financial and sexual impropriety concerning the clergy. Bishop Michael Bransfield is just the latest. Other blogs will develop your prayer life or enable you to comment on Coronation Street – that’s all good too.

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      1. The many scandalous failings of Bishop Bransfield included inordinate and profligate spending. I wonder is anybody still asking questions about how money is spent in D&C, in particular by the bishop and his residence ? Is there any transparency there ? Why is the Charities’ Commission not asking questions about the spending of charitable / trust money and how it is spent in D&C? I reckon if D&C was in the USA there would be some local District Attorney asking awkward questions. But not in NI, it seems. Why not ?

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    2. David Torkington has a good blog on prayer. You could also try Thomas Merton or Richard Rohr.

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  3. Congratulations to Fr Brian D’Arcy on his OBE from the Queen. Well deserved award for this popular Priest. He took advice on whether or not to receive it from his good friend The Viscount Brookeborough. Great award for his Religious Order, the Graan and Fermanagh in general, .

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    1. D’Arcy is a Brit. ‘Nuff said !

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  4. +Pat yesterday’s blog had Ossory changes, is Tom Norris leaving the Irish college as SD and who is replacing him?

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    1. Mullaney

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  5. I cry out for some leadership in the Church ! All that is happening now is bishops scurrying to sort out mistakes of the past. It is important, I suppose, that these are sorted out. But, as to the future, I hear very little that is going to make a difference. Protocols, zero tolerance, bishop accountability, safeguarding, etc. All very important, I am sure, but they are not getting to the heart of the problem, which is a clerical and hierarchical culture in the Church that has engendered and enabled the dysfunction that exists. It will only be when somebody takes up the challenge of leadership to bring forward a new culture and structure that is faithful to the Gospel that we will see a rebirth. Crucial in this is how ministry and leadership are modelled. We know that the present structures are not working. So, please, somebody, come forward with a new way so that the faithful can be ministered to and pastored.
    I’ve said it before, but will say it again:
    Priesthood needs to be re-envisioned, moving away from the male, celibate and elevated model that we have presently to a priesthood of service and sacraments that is delivered for by a whole range of individuals – single, celibate, married, male, female, diverse, which reflects the people whom being served.
    Priesthood needs to be grounded in the reality of life, reflecting the lives the faithful lead. So, rooted in family and children, rooted in lay work, rooted in local communities. No more ivory towers of presbyteries, and priests living isolated and unhealthy lives, detached from the reality of life and work.
    Priesthood needs to be seen as a service, not as a status.
    Priesthood needs to be subservient to and led by the laity. Bottom up, rather than top down. No more “Father knows best”, no more clerical instant wisdom about everything from the finances to the plumbing as a consequence of ordination. Yes, a much more Presbyterian model.
    We don’t hear about anything like this from our bishops. All we hear about is holding the line, keeping the finger in the dyke, keeping the status quo. Which is not surprising, because our current leaders are the product of an incestuous system that continues to promote its own in its own image.
    Anybody any suggestions ?

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    1. 9.41: I agree with essence of your argument but I think you’ve been on before making the same points ad nauseam. Give us your practical, wise, Spirit Inspired vision. Yes, priesthood needs complete reimagining and renewal to embrace the baptismal concept of all of us sharing in the priesthood of Christ which is all about servans being of service in imitation of CHRIST THE TRUE SERVANT. I also believe that faith-filled and prayerful lay people should come forward in parishes much more generously and urgently to make their parish communities more caring, welcoming and Christian, reaching out to ALL. Very often the invitation sent out to parishioners yields little return. Despite having organised many mission events in the parish where I work, despite many invitation cards given to parishioners to choose their ministry role, despite many minin prayer retreats organized, all in the hope of encouraging more lay participation, the dividends are not real. All events which were well attended may have benefited people at a particular moment but there has been greater difficulty in people offering their time for the benefit of their community. I think it’s the same reality in most parishes. I always focus on the parish I’m assigned to and endeavour to make it as best as possible. I see the local parish as the only real “pobal De” and give my energy to it along with parishioners who are willing, caring and interested. The task is not easy and I Just wish lay people would take seriously invitations given to them by their local priests. I wonder why the response is not as positive as it should be? Is it that people have drifted to a stage where the concept of belonging to a “local church community” is not on their agenda any more? Or have they lost trust in all of us because of the sex abuse scandals and now we are all the same…..? Sadly.

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      1. To 9.41am
        Shut up. Too much and too boring.

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    2. So where are those new priests coming from? Normally there are signs of a vocation in teenage years so speak to the teenagers in your own family or try the local catholic school. In England both sexes are only interested in Love Island, phones, computer games, porn and junk food, they all hate RE lessons unless they can have a row about abortion or gay pride, they don’t know and wouldn’t be interested in any form of Catholicism and service you must be joking! In England no one aspires to even work in a service industry let alone do it voluntarily you only have to look at the young people trying to get you to sign up a direct debit to Shelter so they can get a commission with homeless beggars sitting next to them!Anyone under 45 was taught ‘weaving the web’ at school so good luck with the next wave of Bishops

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  6. Should anyone ask what this blog is about, the answer is in McCarrick’s self congratulatory address concerning the holiness of the priesthood even when he knew that the game was up. This endemic dysfunction both cognitive and practical in the priesthood is what enables them with apparently clear conscience to deny communion to others and to oppose progressive social changes which virtually everybody but themselves regards as desirable goods. Their pomp and tyranny are coming to an end, and hail the day.

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    1. Well said ! The dysfunction in so many clerics is outstanding, in particular the hypocritical double standards that they apply, excusing themselves and carrying on to their hearts’ content, and yet at the same time laying heavy burdens upon others. Didn’t Jesus have something pretty pointed to say about that ? This is so much part of the clerical culture, and so imbued are they with it and so habitual is it, that they do not even know they are doing it for the most part. Which in some ways makes it even worse, because it shows just how this culture has become normalised for them. The priesthood is institutionally dysfunctional, no longer fit for purpose, and needs uprooting and replanting in a new vineyard.

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      1. 10.40: Tom Wood, you rarely, if ever, disagree with Pat’s take on anything. Have you no originality of your own? You are as predictable as Pat and repetitive. Time to be more positive and visionary.

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  7. Did Carmel get honoured in the queens list ?

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  8. WESTMINSTER PRIEST 8th Jun 2019 — 10:50 am

    + Carmel and Vincent are talking about taking legal advice as not happy about them being talked about .

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    1. Oh, dear, I do hope their legal advice tells them to take a chill pill and pipe down and just be quiet. The more they show that this stuff is getting to them, the more interest people will take. You are both little fish, and just an excuse for a bit of venting on behalf of people who are pissed off the with Church, its bishops and priests, and just a handy target and low hanging fruit. So, + Vin and Sr Carmel, just take it on the chin and keep quiet and don’t add fuel to the fire. That’s what good legal advice and PR/media advice will tell you. Take it from me !

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      1. Why should they be pissed given their clericalised institution disbars other Catholics from communion based on speculation regarding their personal lives? In US thanks to bigots such as Bishop Paprocki gay and divorced Catholic teachers can lose their jobs if found out. Could this happen here even at Archbishop’s House? Goodness gracious!

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    2. Fr B Westminster 8th Jun 2019 — 1:56 pm

      Bring it in and the photos will be released

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    3. I think they would be better considering how Scripture tells us Christians should act when they have a grievance about others. Although on reflection I think it’s unlikely and look forward to reading the solicitors letter published here or wherever Pat has to move his blog to next. I agree with the reply above – very bad PR, and also a good solicitor will advise them there is no point taking legal action about someone without funds.
      Good one Pat 👍

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  9. Will the Westminster viper be at Vaun house today ? Or will be at the cathedral with Elsie and Carmel’s mass celebrating marriage

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    1. The VIPER most likely will be busy hunting for prey. Monday is his victim hunt day. As a former and “disillusioned” candidate I know. But I will soon be making public noise, in disclosure. See you, Chris.

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  10. A NORTHAMPTON PRIEST 8th Jun 2019 — 11:24 am

    As the Bishops have done so much harm , and not aimed at you + Pat , would another possiable
    way forward be to abolish the Order of Bishop altogether , and have each priest with a council of lay people
    run each local church ? And if they want an ordination call down the Holy Spirit as community together rather
    than have a Bishop to pray the Ordination ? Something has got to give in the church , and a way forward found …

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    1. Bishop Michael Campbell OSA retired 8th Jun 2019 — 1:53 pm

      In the Roman Catholic Church, a bishop is an ordained minister who holds the fullness of the sacrament of holy orders and is responsible for teaching doctrine, governing Catholics in his jurisdiction, sanctifying the world and representing the Church. Catholics trace the origins of the office of bishop to the apostles, who were endowed with a special charism by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, that we celebrate this weekend. Catholics believe this special charism has been transmitted through an unbroken succession of bishops by the laying on of hands in the sacrament of holy orders. An ordination by a lay person would not be valid I am afraid. Pray for reform of the Church and he will listen. God bless you.

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      1. This is clearly not THE Bishop Michael Campbell. Pat can’t stand him and the feeling is mutual. Fr Robert Billing (was Campbell’s unpopular Secretary) used to keep him up to date about this blog. They tried to shut it down as they did the wayward Deacon Nick Donnelly’s blog.

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      2. Dear Bishop Campbell, thank you for reminding us of chapter and verse about bishops. But, it is a bit mechanistic and literal, isn’t it, all this unbroken chain stuff. Because, over the centuries, I am sure it has been broken many times, and therefore it really is a nonsense to keep hanging on to it and laying such importance on it. Times move on, situations change, we become more educated and aware, and the Church needs to move on as well rather than just hanging on to ways of doing things and beliefs that simply don’t hold water any more. We are not a simple and illiterate people any more, and we expect more of our Church today, and much more reasonable, logical, and nuanced teaching than you people have given us in the past. You bishops have failed us, I’m afraid. We need a new way.
        By the way, there’s nice symmetry, isn’t there, that you being from Larne originally is commenting on the + Bishop of Larne’s blog ? Assuming of course that you really are Bishop Michael Campbell OSA ?!

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      3. Bishop Campbell, your brief theological summary on the status of a bishop is anachronistic. The problem is that what you describe is a modern understanding of orders. You don’t imagine that in the early centuries every presbyter, deacon and overseer was ‘ordained’ as in modern times.

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    2. Pat, I sent a note about tbe VIPER but it seems ’twas too much for publication. Ah well, your decision. I am concerned that you might be losing an opportunity to curtail further damage to innocent people’s hopes.
      But now, the cardinal’s private secretary (ex Oritorians), has hinted to us, Oratorian former companions, that the dear caravan sister, Carmel, may be encountering some acquaintance with whiffs of dementia. Let us pray for her….

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      1. New secretary is ex Oratory? Are you sure? Who on earth could that be? And you mean he is blabbering already? Surely you’re having us on – or an “in” joke most of us are not privy to.

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  11. Interesting that Northampton Priest (block capitals) always follows on from Westminster Priest (block capitals also) in their commentary over the past number of days. I would be very surprised if these people ( or same person I highly suspect) are priests at all. Given that Westminster Priest can’t spell +Vincent’s residence correctly and their appalling grammar and the equally appalling grammar of Northampton Priest you do wonder???

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  12. Teddy we good at fundraising that’s all they cared about.

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  13. MournemanMichael 8th Jun 2019 — 1:02 pm

    DOONBEG PRIEST PROMISES HEAVEN TO TRUMP
    Anyone read the story of Fr Joe Haugh (87) of Doonbeg who has “saved a place in Heaven for the Trump family, and that the entire Trump family’s place in the afterlife is secure”? Apparently he said this while referring to the economic benefits brought to the village by Trump’s golf resort. By the way he has a free membership to it courtesy of Trump Junior.
    What gives this cleric the right to make such promises? Perhaps it’s the “power” he wields from the ontological changes of his ordination; his ‘direct line’ to keyholder St Peter, or simply his dotage, or could other factors provide some clues?
    Some might well conclude it’s just a typical example of priestly self delusional grandeur derived from a life of elevated importance and obeisance : the clericalism often referred to in this blogsite.
    Others will wonder at the priorities of this cleric who lionises one of the most hated misogynistic political bullies of the current era on the basis of the money he brings to Doonbeg. But then he is, after all, a product of the RC clerical establishment.
    MMM

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  14. 1.02: MMM: I think your comment is mischievious and rather condescending. What’s wrong with the Rev. Fr. expressing his Christian hope for the Trump family? It doesn’t matter that the Rev. belongs to Doonbeg golf club. That’s bloody irrelevant. I’m sure the 87 year old cleric is well intentioned and would probably hold out the grace of heaven to you also (you never know!!). Trump has many faults and I don’t agree with his opinions or politics but if you are a Christian (as you once were) we believe God is our ultimate judge. Were you out protesting his visit or sitting behind your laptop??? I tend to accept the verdict of the Doonbeg people: more than any government initiative or policy, Trump has brought much employment, trade and tourism to this beautiful part of Ireland. Fr. Baugh has obviously given over 60 years of ministry as a PRIEST and undoubtedly has done much good. He is undeserving of your smart, belittling, ignorant and dismissive judgment by saying he is after all a product of the RC establishment, whatever that means!! What’s his crime? For someone who has become an atheist you’ve a lot of obsession with all things Catholic. Move on MMM….

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    1. Well said sir!

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  15. Pat Buckley OBE?

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    1. Old Blethering Eejit?

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  16. A lay person of Northamton Diocese 8th Jun 2019 — 2:31 pm

    The church is so bad now the people will begin to rise up , and ignore the Bishops – They have no interest in reform or change – Well done Westminster and Northampton Priest for taking a stand ! Ofcause they will claim you are not priests , or same person to take the light of all the doubles standards ! No doubt you both talk to each other -That not a crime ! Or reason to doubt your priesthood! – As a Catholic all my life I now look in disgust at the Pope and Bishops – I for one would consider not having Bishops an option – Look how they go on , and then they have the bloody nerve to say we are not legal or proper church without them ! What total hypocrisy from Roman Catholic Bishops !!!!!!!!! The Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church alongside the sex scandals in it are the biggest cancer of this age eating away at the church and destroying it . And these idiots never for one moments stop to ask the most fundamental question of all ” Why are the people leaving the church , and the chairs becoming ever more empty ?! God bless your Oratory Bishop Pat and the Northampton , and Westminster Priest for standing up !

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    1. It’s highly like you are the same person as the Westminster and Northampton priests. You have a bee in your bonnet about the current Bishop of Northampton. From other comments that appear here, it’s you who have the problem while Bishop Doyle is highly respected.

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  17. So now we have a lay person from Northamton Diocese. Must be a new diocese as I’ve never heard of Northamton. You make the same spelling mistakes and identical grammatical errors as Westminster Priest, Northampton Priest and the person who keeps going on about Vincent and Carmel today – funny that. Just saying like.

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  18. Pat, I sent a note about tbe VIPER but it seems ’twas too much for publication. Ah well, your decision. I am concerned that you might be losing an opportunity to curtail further damage to innocent people’s hopes.
    But now, the cardinal’s private secretary (ex Oritorians), has hinted to us, Oratorian former companions, that the dear caravan sister, Carmel, may be encountering some acquaintance with whiffs of dementia. Let us pray for her….

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  19. Retired bishops does not include retired damage.
    Ironic, maybe, but Campbell’s predecessor, Bishop Pat O Donoghoe (POD), had been rector at Allen Hall. Unsuitable and incapable.
    He had been advised of sexual abuse within the seminary. One of his students had been accused to him as an abuser. No reaction.
    That abuser was ordained a priest and, after a few years in parish, was imprisoned.
    But, POD did nothing. He could have prevented suffering and consequent damage. The untold story of Allen Hall Seminary is utterly tragic and pain–filled.

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    1. Who was imprisoned and what for?

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    2. POD is in a care home and needs our prayers, not unsubstantiated gossip.

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      1. Unsubstantiated ?
        Ask any former resident/student of Allen Hall from the 1980s. Being in a care–home does not dissolve guilt. Yes, pray for POD, but also pray for those who struggle on under burdens he allowed or even enabled.

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  20. I enjoyed yesterday’s blog comments, Bp Pat, with more titbits about Scotland and Westminster. It’s okay as long as your gay.

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    1. Glasgow is now known as Glesgay, St Andrews and Edinburgh will soon have no Priests as Leo is driving them away. The smaller Diocese are in meltdown too.

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      1. Hi Paul You are well out of order + Cushley is brought a diocese back into line and as Pope Francis has said repeatedly we are better with fewer priests than corrupt priests into sex and all sorts of stuff leading double lives.
        They can all keep huge numbers of parishes for statistics but + Cushley led by example.
        Glasgow ok 109 parish and Archbishop so tired looking even @13.30 today in His Cathedral looks drained out but keeps going hoping or a red hat and he has older clergy doing many parishes as he lacks LEADERSHIP.
        Paisley has spent thousands on a Synod and what has it produced yes a pat on the back for John Keenan but again too many parishes and NO money making those who attend pay more or sign up to about 8 different sponsorships.
        Galloway + Taylor brought Renew disaster, + Cunninginghame brought embracing change + Nolan has continued embracing change and a washout so few priests and empty parishes again lacking leadership as some have been joined up but not canonically link as it is not what Bishop in waiting Wullie McFadden wants.
        Motherwell has grab the situation and will be on track for the 2020 that + Toal announced as it is mostly done and no shortage of money or priest but should let those over 75 retire.
        So + Leo is there to stay and + Philip will keep going with his Glesgay as for + John he met Courage other day so maybe soon a Scotland wide item.
        + Adams will be hoping Rome lets him go quick in August to get out of the UK. (Scotland, England and Wales)

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    2. A London-Scottish week, Bp Pat, rather than a day, would be interesting.

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  21. MournemanMichael 8th Jun 2019 — 8:14 pm

    “Expressing his Christian hope for Trump family” you say @ 1:19. Not so. Have you read the on line reports? As reported, that all powerful RC cleric claims to have reserved heavenly places for Trump & Co. Typical clerical arrogance!
    I make no apology for highlighting such misguided arrogance .
    As for moving on: I am thankful that happened a long time ago .
    I think 1 Corinthians 13:11 might be appropriate!
    MMM

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    1. Read on to the next verse. 1 Cor 13.12 and interpret your verse in its context.

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    2. 8.14: MMM: Indeed, it’s time to grow up, move on, mature, see things and life in a new light…(St. Paul).That process has brought you to atheism: it has brought me to a deeper appreciation of my faith in God and a deeper respect for the gospel and person of Christ. You’ve moved on and I’ve moved on, a little like the imagery in Frost’s poem arriving at a junction…which road do we take? Whichever one we take is of our choosing and we should respect that decision, not minimise, mock or belittle it with cynicism, arrogance and judgment…

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      1. 9:28
        What the hell has your post to do with MMM’s comment about that retarded priest who thinks he can book, wholesale, families into The Heavenly Plaza?

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  22. cardinal Nicolls was in Rome all last week as he is on the appointments board for Bishops.
    Does anyone know if there is any announcements in the UK / Ireland this next two weeks.

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  23. 8.14: MMM, I don’t really care what clerics think about Trump. Wecareceach entitled to our opinions. You obviously have difficulty in human mercy or kindness: your own expressed dislike for clerics is as arrogant as those you claim to arrogant in their support for Trump. You demonstrate a sneering condescension for clerics which is a very unsavoury trait in your liberal/humanist perspectives. You have argued here before (with me and others) that all of us, irrespective of our faith/beliefs/humanism/atheism should have a respect and tolerance for one another. You frequently transgress these principles with your condescending and dismissive arrogance. Thankfully I velieve in a God of mercy and justice and as St. Paul says, “..each of us will ne judged (by God) according to our deeds..”. (Also reflect on the parable of the last judgment – goats and sheep.. ). So by the logic of these scripture passages even you may be welcomed into heaven! Imagine….(the amazing surprise of our God!). As for your cynical attacks on priests by referring to them as “products” of the RC establishment: (such words reveal your narrow mindset). Could I not say you are the product of a particular atheism that’s very unacceptable. As a priest/teacher I have encountered some very nasty, selfish, mean and unpleasant atheists. But I wouldn’t be so arrogant as to claim you are one of these….(I could be wrong).

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    1. 9:13
      Jeez! Are you retarded, too.
      MMM’s point was about that priest, the prick who thought he had ontological authority to gurantee to the Trump family places in Heaven.
      That priest’s self conception is the quintessence of clericalism in the Church, the conceit that priests are God’s near- equivalents. This is something favoured by another, self-harming, anorexic, hallucinating clerical f**kwit, Jean Vianney.

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      1. MournemanMichael 9th Jun 2019 — 5:47 pm

        Thanks Magna for pointing out the key issue of my comment. Rather than discuss the idiocy of Fr Haugh’s claims, as usual, the typical defensive ad hominem responses came to the fore. Sometimes it’s really not worth attempting to engage with such attitudes.
        MMM

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