THE SIMPSONS IN THE VATICAN

Bling Bishop’ a classic case of Vatican’s ‘Ironic Employment Division’

John L. Allen Jr. Crux Now

Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst. (Credit: Michael Probst/AP.)

ROME – In “The Simpsons,” the annual Halloween episodes are known for their spoofs of the supernatural. Back in 1993, one of my favorites featured a vision of Hell, where the legendarily donut-loving Homer has been assigned to the “Ironic Punishment Division.” He’s tethered to a chair as a machine force-feeds him pastry after pastry.
(Homer appears delighted, mumbling “more please!” after each mouthful, leading a frustrated demon to say: “I don’t understand it … James Coco went mad in 15 minutes!”)
I thought of that episode this week, speaking to a visiting clergyman who was astonished to discover that German Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van-Elst – better known to the world as the “Bling Bishop,” whose exuberant spending in the Diocese of Limburg in 2013 caused such a furor that he was granted a “sabbatical” by the newly-elected Pope Francis – is actually now a Vatican official.
My cleric friend recently attended a meeting in the Pontifical Council for the New Evangelization, where Tebartz-van-Elst led the discussion. He said he spent a few minutes trying to figure out where he’d heard the name before, until realization dawned: “My God, he’s the bishop of bling!”
Welcome to the “Ironic Employment Division” in Pope Francis’s Vatican.
In case memories have dimmed, Francis was compelled to remove Tebartz-van-Elst in October 2013 due to public backlash against his spending an estimated $42 million on remodeling his diocesan center and residence, including $1.1 million for garden landscaping and even $22,000 for a bathtub.
Originally, the Vatican said the Bling Bishop was being granted a temporary sabbatical outside the diocese. That “temporary” measure became permanent in March 2014, at a time when the Vatican was trying to negotiate an agreement under which Tebartz-van Elst would not be sued by the Limburg diocese in an effort to recoup its losses over the construction projects.
The question then became what to do with him since Tebartz-van-Elst was only 54 at the time of his exile, a full two decades short of the usual retirement age for Catholic bishops of 75.
In the end, Tebartz-van-Elst was brought to Rome and given a new gig as a “delegate for catechesis” in the Council for New Evangelization. Although his appointment is a matter of public record – it’s even on his Wikipedia page – the Vatican understandably made no effort to broadcast it, leaving even seasoned clergy a bit surprised to see him today taking charge of Roman meetings.
Given that the main complaint against Tebartz-van-Elst in Limburg was that his regal spending habits were “unevangelical,” at odds with the witness of Jesus in the Gospels (not to mention Francis in the papacy) and thereby driving people away from the faith, many observers would likely find his present assignment as a top Vatican official for evangelization not just a little bit jarring.
In reality, however, no one probably should be surprised. There’s a long tradition of clerics in disgrace in their homelands ending up in Rome, but in the Francis era they sometimes wind up in jobs that almost seem a private papal satire.
Most famously, there’s the case of Bishop Gustavo Zanchetta of Argentina, who resigned his post heading the Diocese of Oran in August 2017 amid accusations of abuse of power and “strange behavior” (charges of sexual abuse of adult seminarians came later). The rap sheet against Zanchetta also features charges of financial misconduct, including selling a building belonging to the diocese for $800,000 without going through the proper channels and leaving the transaction off the diocesan books.

Despite that, Francis in 2017 not only brought Zanchetta to Rome but named him Assessor to the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See (APSA), the Vatican’s financial powerhouse which oversees both the Holy See’s investment portfolio and its real estate holdings in Italy and around the world.
Once again, it’s hard to imagine a Vatican gig (other, perhaps, than with the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors) that would seem more ironic given the baggage Zanchetta carried.
Another fitting for-instance is Monsignor Dario Edoardo Viganò, who was forced to resign as the Vatican’s communications czar in March 2018 after attempting to pass off a doctored letter by Pope emeritus Benedict XVI as the real thing and getting caught. For presiding over such a PR fiasco, Francis moved Viganò to a different post – not as prefect of the Dicastery for Communications but its “assessor,” meaning to this day he’s still in a position to shape the communications operation.
Further back in time, there’s Monsignor Mario Salvatore Battista Ricca, who was confirmed by Francis as prelate of the Vatican Bank in 2013 despite revelations in the Italian media that during his previous service as a papal diplomat in Uruguay, he’d been involved in a couple of scandalous situations involving homosexual activity – one in which Battista Ricca was apparently beaten up after leaving a gay bar, and another in which he was trapped in an elevator at the papal embassy in Montevideo with a young man and had to be rescued by the fire department.
Despite that, Francis confirmed Battista Ricca in a sensitive post at an institution which, at the time, was also trying to shake off a well-earned reputation for scandal.
Of course, Francis presumably knows more about these situations than any of the rest of us, and he may well have perfectly valid reasons for appointing or confirming such officials to the posts they currently hold.
However, it’s hard not to wish there was a “Simpsons” for the Vatican – because, let’s face it, the Bling Bishop in charge of evangelization probably would be the basis for one hell of a Halloween episode.

PAT SAYS

So it seems that the Vatican is run on the basis of Simsonology?

If you are good they hate you. If you are bad they promote you.

So let’s apply Vatican Simsonology to Ireland:

Father Brendan Smyth to be appoint Catholic National Safeguarding Officer.

Bishop Phonsie of Waterford to head the Smile Project.

Bishop Noel 4 Million Treanor to be appointed as Director of the Church Effort to limit Diocesan Spending.

Bishop Tom Dennihan to be appointed as chair – Seminaries Chastity Commission.

Deacon Gorgeous to be Dublin Diocesan Vicar for the promotion of Celibacy.

Archbishop Diarmuid Martin to be honourary canon Florence Cathedral.

Bishop Kevin Doran to be chair of Catholic Downs Syndrome and LGBT Outreach.

Archbishop Amy Martin to be chair of the Coyle and McCamley Trust. 

Father Brian Darcy to be Pro Abbot of the Carthusian English Province.

Father Timothy Bartlett to be live in chaplain Dublin Homeless Community.

Mr. Ted McCarrick to be manager of the newly erected Dublin Boys Town.

Any other suggested appointments from Blog readers……………………….???

 

 

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87 thoughts on “THE SIMPSONS IN THE VATICAN

  1. Fr Better than Thou and Fr Good
    Priest to be cleaners in the gay sauna.
    Magna’s mother to head up Marie Stopes.

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    1. 10.55: And the imbecilic fools like you could be assigned as Arse Cleaners at the same Gay Saunas. Seems like you’d suitably fit the role…..

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    2. You at 19.55 should be given title “Keeper of the Trailer Trash” Queens. And after that, head to the gay saunas for a bit of “The Tongue Cleaners Competition” ….You’ll have plenty of work, filthy fool!

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      1. Bingo!

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  2. Roman Catholic clergy…the antithesis of Christ’s intention.

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    1. It’s like 1984.

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    2. 11.51: You say that Magna because you were rejected from fulfilling your dreams to ordination. Having been deemed unsuitable and unsound, authorities showed you the gate. Since then, your angst has wreaked havoc, not on others but on yourself…..you must be really, really, really angry…Anger, as you know only too well, breaks you down eventually. So, Magna, look after your fragile state. You are irreplaceable!!

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      1. Hah, hah, hah! 😂

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    3. Polly Strumpet aka MC at 11:51pm

      Roman Catholic clergy… those who keep to their vows and give us pure Catholic Doctrine are the true disciples of Our Divine Lord. Mary Queen of The Clergy, pray for them.
      Evviva Maria!

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      1. No, you Barking Fool. Real disciples of Jesus are those who love 😍

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  3. “The source also said that the young former seminarian believes that the Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin did nothing to help clear the young men’s names despite pleading from the young man and others.”

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    1. And why did Diarmuid Martin not speak out and clear the name?

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      1. Good question
        He only looks after numero uno

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    2. DM must retire soon. We need a leader who supports his priests and seminarians. A leader who makes decisions. A leader who has faith. A leader who can stand up to Buckley.

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      1. 11:10am

        There’s no such leader in the land!

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  4. Surely it’s Bishop Timmy?

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  5. Bishop Pat, why appoint Fonzie as head of the Smile Project? What’s that about?

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    1. Because he never smiles just grunts.

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  6. MournemanMichael 1st Jul 2019 — 10:31 am

    +Pat:
    Of late this blog site has become boringly repetitive, tedious to follow and increasingly childish in content. The constant ‘tit for tat’ retorts of back and forward slanging matches, and inane juvenile humour from some contributors significantly degrades the value of the blog. I have asked a couple of friends for feedback on its content: one summed it up simply by rolling her eyes! I’m conscious of the absence now of many interesting and valuable contributors of the past. Have they given up as indeed I’m tempted to?
    I hear what you say about being unwilling to censor. But isn’t it really time for you to exercise some restraint when certain contributors clearly are unable to? For a start, I would suggest that any individual’s contribution to each blog subject should be restricted to two.
    What do others think?
    MMM

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    1. I agree with you MMM about the constant squabbling between individuals. It seems to be Magna v his enemies. Is the answer to start binning this back and forth?

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      1. If you agree with MMM then why the hell don’t you do something about it? You are a fool to let this continue.

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      2. Patsy at 10:47am
        Patsy in fairness when MC posts his anti-Catholic and anti-clerical rants, others with the opposite point of view must be allowed to correct them. I wouldn’t listen to that auld atheist MMM who usually agree’s with what the dreadful MC spouts.
        Evviva Maria!

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      3. Theres no problem with people having a robust disagreement.

        The problem is with people using bad language and two people putting 20 comments each attacking each other personally.

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    2. I think you will find MMM that you have become the boring and repetitive one on this blog. Repetitive in your atheistic mantra. For an atheist you sure as hell take much interest in the Catholic Church and religion in general. How can you restrict comments to two per person when the vast majority like me post anonymously? The recurring problem with this blog is simply MC who Pat refuses to do anything about, this is why the blog has lost so many different contributors. People like the guy with his big chair on the north coast, Pip with her budgies, Leitrim Len, Sr Mary, old Joe Lollard, Cecily, that woman from the Falls who was fond of Dean Kennedy and so many other anonymous contributors who have given up on this blog.

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      1. MournemanMichael 1st Jul 2019 — 12:32 pm

        Anon@11:55. Apart from your kind compliments, thank you for your observations.
        On the matter of anonymous contributions, perhaps being ‘starved’ of the oxygen of publicity in name posting some regularly repetitive contributors may indeed resort to anonymity. They’ll be easily recognised however.
        I’d really welcome some “positive” contribution from you, if that’s even a remote possibility. C’mon: Don’t hang back. I promise not to ridicule your best efforts.
        MMM

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    3. MournemanMichael 1st Jul 2019 — 2:58 pm

      Bella: As you suggest +Pat doesn’t listen to me I thought just to tell you that I certainly don’t read your comments. You only appear capable of railing against Magna, and notwithstanding his regular abusive rants, his comments often contain gems of information and insights. Yours, I find devoid of value, and tediously repetitive of a negative, narrow, conformist and limited perspective.
      Have you any concrete suggestion of how to improve the blog so we can all learn from it?
      MMM

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  7. Brendan smyth is dead in case you hadn’t noticed. I’m sure he has a special job in hell.

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    1. He’ll not be very happy there. There are no children in hell.

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  8. There is an article in today’s Irish News on the departure of the Mill Hill Missionaries from St Mary’s Chapel lane.
    “Fr Tim Bartlett will take over the parish for now, with the assistance of other priests, until diocesan changes are made later in the summer.”

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    1. Tim will administer, not pastor

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      1. Fr Timmy as minister for finance?

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    2. Timo will do very little there. It will be the assisting “other priests” who will do any heavy lifting.
      And as regards clerical changes “later in the summer”, you can bet that by late autumn/early winter poor Noel will still be twiddling his thumbs and haplessly wondering what to do about St Mary’s, etc.

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  9. “All he wanted was a simple correction of the record, that he left the Irish College in Rome of his own accord and was not kicked out or found to have been involved in some sexual activity with another seminarian. But the rector Msgr Ciaran O’Carroll refused.”
    Ciaran O’Carroll will have to answer to this before God.

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  10. Pat, what’s the story re the Irish times paying out. Has the blog been taken to task? Is the saga still running?

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    1. My understanding is that the Examiner has published an apology and paid damages.

      My further understanding is that there are negotiations afoot with The Irish Times.

      The Blog or I are not involved.

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  11. Will Pat stop destroying me the wee hur!

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  12. Pat, your great strength is that you will allow a say to all sorts of people. You are one of those rarest of people, a true Liberal, to do so. Hell, most people running a blog like this would make sure only their own agenda was heard, and frankly I wouldn’t personally allow either MC or the clerical fraternity to post here.
    But with that liberality comes the kind of situation described above and I think at some point you’re going to have to decide whether you want to be remembered for running a blog where (almost) anything goes, and if not, whether you have the appetite to apply stricter moderation to comments, which will certainly make some people claim you are suppressing their views.
    I do wonder at the motivation of some people posting here, since you do have many enemies, and making your blog a morass of bickering children would be an obvious way to discredit you.

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    1. 2.22: A good comment. However, Pat had the one with an agenda. That agenda is not fair, just or kind to clerics or to the Church and I understand why there is so much negativity expressed here. Pat I believe must excercise greater discretion about some commentators whose only purpose is to incite very vicious and poisonous comments and to use this blog to get equal with their enemies. Some of the comments have greatly saddened me with their sharp, vicious judgments and attacks on priests. The mockery levelled at clerics through name calling, ridicule, cartoinish representations and jeering is frightening at times. Whatever we may think about priests and the Chyrch, I cannot accept the abuse expressed at times. So, what might Pat do to ensure that his blog can be more productive and positive on the important issues we need to discuss? I’m not sure apart from a complete overhaul about the purpose of this blog….

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  13. Dalriada Dick 1st Jul 2019 — 2:33 pm

    Thank you MMM for highlighting why I and many others have stopped contributing to the blog. I read it each day for a bit then give up. All the bitterness and tit for tat is jarring. Pat it is within your gift to sort this out. I know several others who have stopped reading the blog altogether. Simply put Pat the blog has lost its way.
    Anyhow must pour myself a wee afternoon ‘snifter’ and settle back in my big new comfy chair from Ikea. Getting ready up here for The Open.
    Regards to MMM and Big Lily from Albert Street.

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    1. MournemanMichael 1st Jul 2019 — 2:10 pm

      Delighted to hear from you DD. You confirm what I suspected about the absence of former valuable regular contributors.
      My own stock of Black B. 75th birthday gifts is all gone but I’ve still got my comfy armchair and views of the bracing Mournes to savour.
      MMM

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    2. You clearly haven’t stopped contributing to the blog (you’ve just done so😂) , nor had you stopped reading it, since you couldn’t, then, have responded to that old chestnut 🌰 proposal of MMM’s.

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  14. Pat, I’ll make you a deal (not for the sake of staple moaners here, like M&M’s and Dalriada Duck), but because I personally have grown tired of parrying with the fool that calls himself/herself ‘Bellarmine’. From now on, I intend to ignore, completely, the drivel posted by this person; I suggest others here do likewise.

    Frankly Pat, you knew what would happen when you allowed ‘Bellarmine’ to resume posting, even though the fool voluntarily left the blog some time ago, ostensibly on instruction from a ‘confessor’.😕

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    1. 2 56: Magna, accept responsibility for your behaviour in this blog. Stop blaming Bellarmine, MMM and others. YOU are the main problem on this blog, the chief ‘turnoff’, the one whose sole mission is to tear people to pieces, to devalue and belittle their opinions and comments, to cough uo your vile, hate inciting, vulgar abusI’ve words. YOU, Magna, need to SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO YOUR HEART. And – seek professional therapy for your personal problems, and, on the evidence of your contributions on this blog, they are many. You are a tyrant with a dangerous madness. Pat should ensure your absence from this blog until you prove you are prepared to fundamentally change your behaviour and attitude. Were you to be behave in the village green like the way you behave on this blog, you’d be arrested for your own safety!! LISTEN……

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      1. Anonymous at 2:17pm

        Excellent post I agree with all you say, God Bless You
        Evviva Maria!

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      2. Bishop Pat, the contribution by the poster at 2:17 is the reason for my more ascerbic posts, and for this you have to take some responsibility.
        Implying or stating that I am mad (‘seek professional therapy’, ‘you…with a dangerous madness’, both at 2:17), or, elsewhere, that I am ‘a seminary reject’, that I was ‘thrown out of seminary’, that I ‘was found unworthy of priesthood’, that I am ‘a drunk’, ‘a sot’, ‘a drunkard’…all of these insults, and many others (and all of them untrue), have, repeatedly, been hurled at me. Are you surprised that I sometimes respond in kind? I could have responded in this way MANY more times, but just as a confessor hears only a penitent’s moral failings, not their victories, you cannot know how many more times I ignored the haters on this blog.
        You, Bishop Pat, allow all of this to happen, for in the name of liberalism you publish ad hominem and then, in the name of God-knows-what, you complain when the predictable happens. I am no more a saint than you, and like you, I can take only so much personal abuse before striking back in kind.
        You know as well as I that I am attacked here, more than any other reasons, for my intelligence and erudition (hence such abuse as ‘Magna is so far up his own backside…’). People are jealous of my abilities; they always were.
        And yes, attacked, too, for my absolute loathing of the theology of Roman Catholic priesthood, the organic evil that is the fundamental cause of so much wrongdoing, so much harm to children and others.
        If this blog is being dragged down (as one or two here today has suggested), it was you who set the scene for it by allowing ad hominem.
        You can’t, seriously, dump this solely on me when others, and especially you, have had such a seminal hand in it.

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      3. Dont worry Magna. You are right. Mine is the ultimate responsibility.

        And MMM is right. At your best you post some of the best here.

        I have deleted several personal attacks on you this afternoon.

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    2. MournemanMichael 1st Jul 2019 — 3:18 pm

      Thank you Magna.
      It’s a positively excellent proposal. I hope others follow suit and deprivation from attention might have a beneficial effect.
      Didn’t Charmin Arlin say something about not feeding crocodiles?
      MMM

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      1. MMM at 3:18pm
        I am not surprised you quote Arlin aka Orange Lilly you are all the same, enemies of The One True Church.
        Eviva Maria!

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    3. Bishop Pat at 4:25, thank you for that gracious honesty.
      I, too (not just MMM and others), want to engage in serious, intelligent and learned discussion here, because most of your blogs treat serious (sometimes very serious) topics, and they deserve such quality of discussion. But try as I might, sooner or later along comes a hater/abuser with a stockpile of ad hominem…simply because they can neither refute my points, nor even debate me with a modicum of intelligence and knowledge. This has happened so often, and for so long, that I am permanently in ‘aggressive mode’. It’s a pity, because so much that is productive could take place, especially if many of the clergy (and their supporters/apologists) who post here could stop being so defensive and accept that the world in general no longer reveres priests, no longer holds them in any significant esteem, because of the criminality they or others have committed. They have brought this on themselves; hey have only themselves to blame. Being overly-defensive, and abusive, on this blog does not help their cause.

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      1. MournemanMichael 1st Jul 2019 — 5:11 pm

        Much of what you say here is very true Magna. Many RC clerics have sat on a pedestal of perceived superiority for so long, that coming to an understanding that the public, catholic and otherwise, does not share the ‘ontological ‘ superiority of their world view……well it’s often emotionally and intellectually beyond them quite apart from being psychologically threatening. Perhaps that’s a big factor in the defensive ad hominem nature of many clerical comments here.
        Perhaps too another factor sometimes referred to here, may be that some of them are not the brightest candle on their altars. At least the level of debate here often infers this on both an intellectual and emotional reckoning.

        Now, having started the ‘hare’ running on this topic I’ll leave it for now hoping for better things to come.
        MMM

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      2. 4.46: Magna, practice what you would like to do but seem unable to: engage respectfully, rationally and intelligently, and not with your trademark, offensive, abusive vulgarity. You are capable of better and there are some who genuinely wish to debate in a mature way issues of relevance for the Church, priesthood and for the Christian community. I’m afraid we’ve had promises, promises, promises before…..I trust that as Pat bins personalised comment about you, he will likewise not print your offensive, vicious and nasty comments….

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  15. 3.17: MMM – Are you confused? Who are you supporting on this blog – rational, intelligent, respectable contributors or that hatchet fool, Magna, who has respect for no one, including you?

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    1. MournemanMichael 1st Jul 2019 — 3:40 pm

      Not in the least confused 3:28: only commenting on a positive proposal regardless of its contributor. Can’t you see that? No? Perhaps if you read more slowly!
      MMM

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    2. 3:28
      You know what is said about self-praise.

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  16. I’M STARTING TO DELETE COMMENTS ATTACKING OTHERS ETC.

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    1. 3.54: I trust Pat that you will desist from posting Magna’s viciousness, hatred and nastiness too!!!!

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  17. Anonymous Angelicus 1st Jul 2019 — 4:46 pm

    The Church of England has urged Christians to follow the example of JESUS when interacting on social media.
    Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby said, as Christians we are called to engage in a way which is shaped by the example of JESUS and each time we interact online we have an opportunity either to add currents of cynicism and abuse or to choose instead to share light and grace. L
    Let’s have less abuse, and more light, grace and truth.

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  18. So Dublin will have a new Archbishop and 2 new Auxiliaries in the near future. Who is in the running.

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    1. 5.11: Who is in the running? My pig and my cat……

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    2. 5.11 A Bishop in Rome for Archbishop or the Bishop of Limerick and Timmy may get an Auxiliary’s post however as now only Bishop fields resignation has been accepted within months and Bishop Walsh’s will likely be the same in September.
      However Archbishop D. Martin is not 75 till April 2020 unless he resigns on ill health or Rome appoints
      someone with right of succession but bit late for that.
      After the appointment of Auxiliary of Armagh it is anyone’s guess now with this Papal Nuncio.

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  19. Absolutely wonderful articles in the Belfast Telegraph about Fr Eugene O’Neill – an editorial practically canonising the “inspirational priest” and an extensive interview with this sterling pastor. Beautiful flood of light amidst all this bad news about clerics. Praise be.

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    1. Ask the people of the parish about him!

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      1. Patsy at 6:22pm
        Oh! Patsy how like you, you can’t stand any priest being praised, I’ve never heard of him but I’m sure he’s a good priest.
        Evviva Maria!

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      2. 6.21: What do you mean by your rhetorical question? Pat, this is the kind of question that starts off a nasty litany of abuse. By asking this question there’s an implicit suggestion of something sinister we should be aware of. Throwing out this kind of question is a form of abuse. Aside from the awful hurt caused by clerical sex abusers, I’m certain that many of us (priests) desire to do our best and that we struggle with our lives and work. We are not immune to the reality of what has occurred or to how many people have been damaged for life. It is unfair to (literally) suggest that all of us must be monitored. I find priesthood a huge challenge. I try my best. I’m not successful or perfect in all my efforts. What I find most disconcerting is the continuing attacks through your blog on those of us who are genuine in our living of priesthood. I respect honest opinion but not when it’s couched in language of contempt or hatred and I am very unhappy that my life should be condemned, questioned and analysed simply because I am a priest. We are becoming increasingly an unwelcoming society for Catholic clerics. However, I made a commitment for life and I trust that God will help me stick with it, however awful and horrendous the anti clericalism is!

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  20. You rock Magna ignore the haters you have submitted some of the best posts on this blog. When they can’t repudiate the many excellent points that you have made they resort to attacking you personally. Don’t let them get to you you are better than that.

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    1. Anonymous at 5:28pm
      Are you for real, she attacks everyone who doesn’t agree with her hate filled agenda and makes personal insults to all who disagree with her.
      Evviva Maria!

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      1. 7:43pm
        Bella, it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
        You make personal nasty comments attacking those who don’t agree with you or your view of Catholicism.

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    2. 5:28
      Thank you very much.

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    3. MournemanMichael 2nd Jul 2019 — 8:49 am

      I agree with this comment Magna.
      But I also agree with what +Pat and some others have said about you. Don’t let yourself down to diminish the power of your perspective. Use your superior gifts and rise above the vacuous chatter of those flummoxed by the strength of your arguments. Leave them squabbling. Still waters run deep, and quiet observers understand the significance therein rather than the strident clanging of empty vessels.
      MMM

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    4. Magna at 5:28pm – thanks for that comment.

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  21. 4.19: Magna, what planet are you living on? You accuse others of hurling abuse at you and that you are pushed into being acerbic because of certain comments made about you. Do you ever reflect on your own personal behaviour towards others? Do you ever realise that you, very consciously and deliberately, express the most outrageous opinions about others? Do you ever realise that your words are often an incitement to hatred of priests? If you want sympathy and kindness given to you, you should at least try to be a little kinder and merciful yourself. Do you justify your personalised onslaught on priests? You cannot expect to say nasty, abusive things about others when it’s convenient and done out of vindictiveness. You are entitled to your opinions but you have to be respinsible in what you print. With freedom of expression comes accountability and responsibility. Your comment is full of self pity. You cannot simply blame Pat and others if you believe this blog has taken a certain route (unfavourable to you) and be blind to your own contribution in leading it this way! Respect given will be equally returned.

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    1. Killyleagh Kieran 2nd Jul 2019 — 2:53 am

      A sound comment @7:16: fair and proportionate.

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  22. Pat, seriously, just looking at the way the above comments are going again, I would strongly suggest you set a policy for the comments you will and won’t accept, including that you will be the final arbiter, and enforce it rigidly.
    It must be apparent to everyone that unless a code is enforced, backbiting will continue.
    I would also suggest that you limit the opinions which can be expressed here. This is your blog and you have a particular point of view. Since anyone can set up their own blog I don’t think you should feel bad if some opposing points of view are not expressed here. Frankly some posters obviously only come here to have a pot shot at you, and I don’t think you should feel obliged to give those people a platform.
    If you set a policy and enforce it rigidly you will get more moaning comments for a bit, but it will make your life easier in the long run.

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    1. 7.28: Sadly, when efforts have been made by some to have rational, intelligent debate, it rarely continues that way. If the emphasis of the blog wasn’t so negative and venomous and allowed to be used as a platform for anti clerical sentiment, it may change the tone of comments. Criticism and analysis are essential for the church and for priesthood but all too often the criticisms rapidly descend into a dangerous level of vitriol, name calling, personalised attacks and an open invitation to express hatred of priests. I’m not sure if Pat wants to re-think his approach or agenda.

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      1. In the current climate, with all that has been revealed, anti-clericalism is rational and reasonable. We need a healthy anti-clericalism.

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    2. I agree with you, Bishop Pat. Anti-clericalism isn’t just rational, but morally obligatory. As Pope Francis described it, it is a ‘cancer’; and it is eating away at the ecclesial body.
      Those opposed to criticism of this evil should be regarded with deep suspicion; they are part of the problem in the institutional Church, and are likely clericalist priests themselves, or their lay apologists.

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      1. 10.18: Magna – however hard you try, you can’t hide your obvious contempt and hatred towards priests. I have little time for people like you who think and believe that your criticisms are justifiable at all times and that they are the only acceptable ones. I am vehemently opposed to clericalism. I have avoided being caught up in it, not without difficulty, but I try to do what I know Christ would expect. As you grow through priesthood, the years of experience help you discern what’s really important and to find the ideals to live by, thus you know what baggage to throw away. Magna, you can have all the contempt you are capable of having, but – for one moment – reflect: you cannot write off or define every priest as useless ##### as you continually call us (you know…). I hope if I saw you in person that I wouldn’t immediately be suspicious of you in any sinister way. Your belief that “we” should all be regarded with deep suspicion is offensive and bigoted. So, despite your effort at being “calm” and “reasonable”, your nastiness is incapable of being hidden!! What a pity.

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  23. Bishop Fintan touched on this hatred yesterday at his Episcopal Ordination in which was attended by 1200

    Everyone knows the Church is on the path of renewal however the people are returning as they know there is many many Good Priests and Bishops trying their best just like you + Pat.

    Bishop Fintan never signed the papal mandate on the Altar so hopefully he will be a safe pair of hands and will see what happen in Armagh in a few weeks.

    However given such a big event for the Diocese of cork and Ross for 22 years where was the cardinal was he told to stay away or something by the new team as he was very health at a funeral last week.

    Come on guys stop the hate on this site as you all profess to be Good living guys well stop the hate.

    Wednesday is Feast of Saint Thomas so stop all the doubting just like Saint Thomas as the Church will flourish.

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  24. Abp Amy should also consider Fr McVeigh for a special appointment within the Coyle-McCamley Trust, Bp Pat, to provide counseling services to priests and seminarians addicted to gay porn or have a high dependency on dirty websites.

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  25. 8.44: Pat, do you believe that your anti clericalism is the acceptable form? I believe that Irish society has moved beyond anti clericalism to just being unquestioningly secular. It seems to me that the evolution of thought, science, theology, philosophy, free thinking and a comfortableness with a non faith viewpoint have all contributed to people moving away from organised/institutional religion. Of course we cannot underestimate the moral damage done to the church and to its adherents by the sexual abuse scandals. Maybe your blog could at last (in some meaningful way) help towards building a new community of God’s people: at least it could initiate a more constructive dialogue, without the crazy, mad, destructive commentary by some.

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  26. Pat Buckley at 8:44pm: you are not balanced. Yes, terrible things have come to light; but there is also much good too which you don’t want to know about because it doesn’t chime with your agenda.
    Being “anti” anything, you will find is generally irrational.

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    1. 10:18
      You mean ‘being anti everything’; otherwise your criticism itself is ‘irrational’.

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  27. 8.44: Pat, do you really believe that you and Magna provide healthy anti clericalism? You are both delusional if you believe so. What is the difference between anti clericalism as espoused by you and hatred?? Should there be a difference? If there is a difference, you and Magna should demonstrate the difference. As of now what you both perceive as healthy anti clericalism is nothing more than blatant hatred for all things catholic. Is femininising priests by name calling a healthy anti clericalism? Is mocking, ridiculing and denigrating all priests a healthy anti clericalism? Is allowing hearsay, speculation and gossip about priests a healthy anti clericalism? Is subjecting seminarians and priests to vicious judgments and harrassment on your blog a healthy anti clericalism? Enlighten me…

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  28. Eugene O’Neverdo an inspiration ….please

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