TAOISEACH ATTACKED BY CATHBOTS.

On Wednesday evening in the Dail in Dublin Taoiseach Leo Varadaker wanted to call Fianna Fai leader Micheal Martin a hypocrite and described him as “One of those parish priests who preach against sin from the altar and get up to all kinds of sinning behind the altar”.

Next morning priests and Cathbots (Cathoic robots) were out in public saying they were offended and angry at Leo insulting them and their church!

There were calling for apologies and resignations.

And who was leading the charge? Crazy old Fonsie Cullinan from Waterford.

What Leo said was truthful. A priest speaking about moral from one side of his mouth and then after Mass going home to a man in his bed – or worse still abusing an altar boy in the sacristy, is a PERFECT example of rank hypocrisy.

And the Catholic PC Cathbots made Leo apologise.

What RC priests and Cathbots must understand is that the RC Church and its clergy are a totally disgraced species.

There may be good priests here and there. But the Catholic clerical barrell is rotten to the core and any good apples are reeking from the overpowering stench of the bad ones.

It’s like looking at a rotting corpse and saying “Well he does have skin on the back of his hands”.

The only thing to do for a corpse is to issue the death certificate and bury it.

After all we have seen and are seeing its pathetic to mouth “There are good priests who do good work”.

ALL PRIESTS are representatives of the organisation of the corrupt RC church whether they like it or not.

Many priests knew fellow priests were abusing and stayed silent.

Many priests knew bishops were covering up and stayed silent.

The only consolation we have with regard priests are two fold

1. They are held in public disgrace by the people.

2. They are dying out.

Let the last few and their Cathbots squeal all the wish.

These squeals are the clerical death rattles.

89 thoughts on “TAOISEACH ATTACKED BY CATHBOTS.

  1. Buckley, I could have written your script. It’s predictable – the same anti Church narrative, mockery, ridicule ignorant rant, shallow, priest bashing bigotry, ugliness with your usual arrogance. What Vradkar said was outrageous, insulting and offensive. Michael Martin is a fool not to ask for a Dail apology. There are priests who have behaved horribly and criminally and deserve the full weight of civil law. Most people who expressed their disgust were lay people and members of Fine Gael. Your problem Pat is that you have a HATRED for Catholic Priests. Keep your hatred. Most genuine people see through your pretentious Christianity. You betray Christ each day in promoting hatred towards priests; you betray Christ in name calling of others, in your derogatory demonizing of clerics. You are blinded by your arrogance, pride and self indulgence. Your description of Catholics who are good, faithful and sincere as Cathbots is repulsive. Your intolerance is ugly. Pat, I thank God every day for the gift of priesthood and that I have opportunities to help, care for and support people in all kinds of situations. Your cynicism, disdain and contempt for priests, your aggressive hatred for Catholicism will never, ever deter me from being CHRIST to others or from appreciating my vocation. You delude yourself into believing that you somehow are better priest than all of us. Christ calls this ‘pride’ and as evidenced in your comments and lifestyle, it is an ugly trait. When, as priests, we are attacked and singled out as a group to be despised and hated, I’ll raise my voice in defense. Thank God for the many, many good priests in the presbyterate. Tough luck if you cannot accept this truth. Pat, renew your own hear first.

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  2. Disappointed with Leo. Thought he had balls of steel (of plastic, more like).
    Even the thought of saying ‘sorry’ to these apologists for evil fills me with utter moral revulsion.

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    1. 1.28: Do you not get it Magna? Firstly, Leo has no real balls. He is a weak leader, says many things for which he has to apologise. Red socks and rainbow flags are his priority. Seconly, no one has the right to single out one particular group and make a broad sweeping statement of judgment. His bizarre comment was out of place in the Dail debate. Priests who commit serious crime deserve the full rigour of civil law. The ignorant comment of Vradkar was rightly condemned by his own Party and others. No e of us has any right to make such judgment on an entire group because of the sinfulness of some. That you and Pat express similar comments is not surprising. It’s your trademark. Wrong, distasteful, lies, contemptible. At least the man without balls bad the decency to admit bus musjudgment and offensiveness and APOLOGISE. Now you and Pat should do the honourable, manly thing and apologise.

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      1. 8:18
        It’s too late to call ‘foul’ on Roman Catholic priests. We know what many of them have done. We know what many of them did to conceal those crimes. And we know that many, like you and other priests, remained stuck in cowardly silence. In fact, even today, not one of you hypocrites would openly and publicly speak out against the likes of Cullinan for fear of losing your homes and livelihoods.
        Varadkar’s analogy was spot on. If you want an example of utter hypocrisy, and moral cynicism, the parish-priest simile will do just fine.

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    2. Poster at 1:29am

      I’m so pleased that you are disappointed with Varadker he was right to make an apology for his disgraceful remarks. I’m also delighted as your posts fill me with utter moral revulsion.
      Evviva Maria!r

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    3. 1.29
      Totally agree. You would expect better from someone in his position. It won’t win him any friends or respect. I thought we had it bad with Boris.

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    4. 1.29: Magna, look back over some of your own hate inciting comments with their vile ugliness and you’ll discover that you should be filled with utter moral revulsion at the content off your own language. Your hatred of others is both a perversion and a disease. But then, you’re a buffoon lacking moral, ethical, psychological and spiritual integrity. Grow a pair of many b***s. Grow up.

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  3. Absolutely Pat. And any apparently good priests are volitionally turning a blind eye to the rot around them and thus facilitating it. Not one of them is different or ‘good’ and all are compromised.

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    1. 2.17: Stop repeating the lie that we are all at it. Stop repeating Pat’s hatred of priests. You cannot make sweeping judgments of all the many dedicated and good priests on the basis of the serious failures, crimes and abuse 8f some. There are – FACT – good men who are good priests. Just stop being ignorant. Stop repeating Pat’s mantra of lies and hatred about clerics.

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      1. Occasionally, “one-of-them” can be a man of God, Bp Pat, who only wishes the best (however this is a very rare specimen).

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      2. Anonymous at 12:42
        Excellent post, well said, let us thank God for all the good priests we have and leave the others to God’s justice.
        Mary,Queen of the Clergy pray for them.

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      3. Would I work in the secular world for an organisation with a parallel record of abuse and cover up which faces prosecution under mafia law? No.
        And I would consider those who work for it and defend it, in denial.
        In my city there are two main employers in my industry – one can’t get staff because they’re crap and people want to maintain their professional reputation.
        QED.

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      4. 12:42

        Then how many of you publicly denounced bishops, and the pope, for laws that shielded (and still shield) abusing priests?

        How many of you publicly denounced financial corruption at the Vatican, and, closer to home, extravagant bishops, like Noel Treanor?

        How many of you publicly denounced the ordination of men clearly unsuited to the priesthood? Men like Sean Jones. How many of you?

        I could go on in this way, but what’s the point? The answer is ‘none of you’. You ALL kept your heads down. You ALL looked after No.1.

        You ALL are compromised. You ALL are not free to follow personal conscience, because you vowed to serve men, not God. And your rewards for this are a house, an income, promotion, and God-knows-what-else.

        It’s to late to start bleating about how hard done by you lot are. You chose this. You threw in your lot with an institution that is morally rotten to, and especially at, the core.

        Away with the lot of you!

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  4. Killdorrery parishioner 5th Jul 2019 — 6:29 am

    B8SHOP PAT, that is a excellent assessment of the irish clergy,Leo owes no one a apology as he spoke the truth
    Here in killdorery and in cloyne we certainly know all about the sins of priests and there hypocrisy .
    It is disgusting to witness and only right to call it out.

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    1. Kildorrery Parishioner
      Keyboard wizard so you are Good on the Keyboard sitting there and I am not surprised to say the least at keyboard warriors.
      At least Pat speaks from his mouth and types with his keyboard and is very capable and does email / writes to the Bishops and papal Nuncio and rightly so although they normally do not reply they take action.
      Every email / letter / phone call is recorded at the Nunciture.
      If you know so much about Killdorrery and Cloyne Diocese have you contact Bishop Crean or Archbishop Okolo @ nuncioirl@eircom.net as I am sure they will be very interested in your Facts and not gossip or email pat and he will do it for you.
      We have an Excellent Papal Nuncio in Ireland Archbishop Jude Okolo

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      1. No harm to you Fr Peter dear, but the spelling and grammar of your comment seems typical of the general ineptitude of RC clerics

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      2. Kulldorrery parishioner 5th Jul 2019 — 11:51 am

        Thats sounds like your trying to intimate me with the name calling, if I’m a keyboard warrier then so are you by your logic, you accuse me of gossip.the photos of st Bartholomewes church were published on this site , the cloyne and elliot report were fact not gossip, as for contacting the bishop and nuncio sure there all ready fully aware what has taken place and no action such as reconsecreting the church has taken place.
        Fr peter your attack on me is baseless just an attempt to silence
        The usual clerical attitude

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    2. 9.16: Same old broken record. Same old, same old analysis. Magna, I have had amazing opportunities to serve the cause of the gospel. Any vow of obedience I took has not got in the way of my fidelity to God. I have never been denied any freedom to act with integrity of conscience or moral courage. I remain focused on my daily work, serve people as best I can and try always to act in the true spirit of Christ. What world of isolation do you live in? Without being abusive or rude or engaging in name calling, can you tell me what’s deficient about my attitude? I am all too well aware of the deep flaws and dysfunctionality within the Church but I try to remain true to what I believe I have to do as a priest. I am not perfect or holy or as good a Christian I know I should be but I take Christ as my model, no one else. What is wrong with this? Having been spat upon once in public some years ago and been verbally abused, I am sometimes fearful that I may be physically attacked, simply because I’m a priest. That is why Vradkar’s ignorant comments , the secularist anti Catholicism and your violent rhetoric at times often make me want to leave. Do you believe, in all honesty, that all of us should suffer the kind of hateful, demeaning and frightening abuse we presently receive? Calm, rational and human kindness in your response would be appreciated, not the abusive name calling or undeserved nastiness that’s very often tolerated on this blog. My mother and my family often ask about my safety and well being in light of the vicious criticisms levelled at us. Let me make it clear: I know there are many who have been deeply hurt for life at the hands of priests and that the Church failed abysmally and negligently to all who were/are hurt. I can inly do my utmost in any given situation and I keep the way of Christ’s gospel before me. Being a priest has never prevented me from being a moral, just and caring person. Those values were inculcated into us as children by my parents. I did not lose them on being ordained a priest.

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      1. I notice that you ignored EVERY question in my post about priestly public protest.

        Same old broken record? Tell me about it, priest.

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  5. Pat, most.normal, decent, right thinking people cannot but agree with the consensus that what the taoiseach said was very offensive. He has apologised not because of the Cathbots, as you ignorantly call us, but because the man realises the inappropriateness and wrongfulness of his words, how hurtful and degrading a comment it was, especially coming from the leader of our country. That you support such an attitude as expressed by Vradkvar is not a surprise: you’d have all churches burned down and priests hung in public if you had your despotic, crazy, weird way. Your continued support for a negative narrative of priests is morally repugnant. It also is the antithesis of the gospel of Christ. The nasty jibe made by Vradkar was totally unnecessary and completely out of context with the issue being discussed in the Dail. This man has form when it comes to being nasty. I wish he was as quick to respond to the many families who are homeless, with thousands of children: I wish he would respond to the awful statistic that 6 children died while in state care last year; I wish he’d respond to the critical hospital waiting lists, the hundreds on trolleies every week. This man spends more on spin doctors than any former taoiseach, a man who puts his image before substance, a man who thinks more about his socks and body image than be does about real people who are in poverty or parents who are exhausted in worrying about their slecial needs children. The ignorant comment he made to Michael Martin has received deserved criticism from all quarters, especially from his own party. His comments were clumsily ignorant, offensive, petty, unkind and most un-Christian. Of course some clerics have carried out criminal acts of abuse and they are either in prison or awaiting judgment of the law. That you Pat should so sneeringly extend your congratulations to Vradkar says more about your moral integrity than anything else. It reveals yet again how nasty, merciless, vicious and un-Christian you are. I, like hundreds of priests in this country are genuine in our daily efforts to be of service to people. We are far from perfect and struggle sometimes in our work but we are well intentioned in living out the gift of priesthood. Thatk God for our priests, many of them in their mid to late 80’s and early 90’s who are still in ministry and delight in serving our parish communities. Yesrerday, people of all faiths and none, of all political parties and some journalists saw through the unnecessary offensiveness of Vradkar’s mean spirited words and called them for what they were: hate incitung, ignorant, rude, out of context, inflammatory, unjust and very un- Christian. At least he rightly apologised for his crass comments. I’m sorry Pat, but you too have a similar trait – foot in mouth. You just love the sneering ridiculing, stigmstisation and demeaning by the chattering classes, the anti Church brigade. I feel our silly, uninspiring taoiseach who only has a spin-style approach to politics got it very wrong yesterday. Those with a modicum of decency will see the complete wrongness and bigotry of his mindset towards particular groups, priests. His apology was the only just response to his gaffe prone mouth. He is a hypocrite and a noticeable one. Pat, enjoy making your money on this issue. We can all see through your PRETENTIOUS charade of Christian love, care, justice and truth. Kick the priests while they’re down, spit in their faces…..denigrate them, pretend there are no good priests…tell lies…it’s your profession in life..but sadly nothing to do with CHRIST.

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    1. Remember KOB.

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      1. Not you again. Let the Cardinal rest in peace.

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    2. 6:34
      My goodness! I shouldn’t wish on anyone the purgatory of having to sit through one of your Sunday sermons. If the style of them is like your post, they are insufferably longwinded, repetitive, self-trumpeting, presumptious hubris.
      What am I saying? You are, in fact, just what I’d expect from a Roman Catholic priest.
      Varadkar was right about you lot.
      Hypocrites.

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      1. Good one Magna 😘

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    3. Anon. at 11:14
      Ha! Ha! Ha! Polly yer a hoot ye can’t stop being bitchy and correcting posters mistakes that’s why you have the title Granny Grammar, Queen of spellcheck, God love ye
      Evviva Maria!

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  6. He’s a traitor you should step across the border pat and ask people outside d4 what they think of that infiltrator.

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  7. Forcing an apology out the prime minister seems a bit risky, Bp Pat, considering the church’s record.
    All Phonsie’s three-letter-men will now have to be on their best behaviour; no Grindr or black daddies for them anymore.

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    1. I am very disappointed in the anticlerical vulgarity of Leo Varadkar’s casual remark — I thought he was raising Irish political discourse to a higher level.

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  8. Fly On Th Wall 5th Jul 2019 — 8:03 am

    Hi is the church preaching the love of God or saying put wd 40 on sqeeks that may not even exist. If the t shock is talking about altars what’s the real story but

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  9. Patsy quoting “smile a while Vadaker” making yet another attack on The Church. You and the oratorybots are always wishing to see it’s demise It’s your own squeals you’ll hear as you listen your own death rattle . Long after you and your oratory are long forgotten, The Holy Church will be hear ’till the end of time.
    Evviva Maria!

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    1. Good aul Bella. I here what you say hear. Ahem!

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      1. Anon.at 11:17pm

        Well let’s hope you act on it. Ahem!
        Evviva Maria!

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      2. Anon. but I know who you are. at 11:17am

        I thought you were going to ignore my posts, but of course you couldn’t help yourself, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and it suits your character to a tee. I apologize for the spelling mistake, mea culpa Bye!Bye!.
        Evviva Maria!

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  10. MournemanMichael 5th Jul 2019 — 12:11 pm

    +PAT: I’ve been thinking on the last blog about women priests and the issue you describe of them leaving chalices half full.
    You obviously believe in transubstantiation. Frankly I find the concept utterly bizarre, and wonder what views others may have.
    I’ve read in the past about gods worshipped 2/300 years before the christian era. The followers of Osiris-Dionysus and Mithras, pagan gods being worshipped in that pre christian era were said to have followed practices which early Christians subsequently followed having ascribed their origins to Christ. One important one was said to have been a symbolic meal in memory of Mithras who apparently declared that “He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood to be at one with me, he will not know salvation.”
    To what extent did early christians supplant or incorporate earlier beliefs into their own religious practices?
    I find the whole matter of human and other animal “sacrifices” to appease an all powerful god a really weird concept. The very idea that a priest’s words over bread and wine changes them into the “body and blood” of the long deceased Christ who was the “Son of God” and is himself God: well the concepts stretch credibility into another more readily analysed one the RC hierarchy call “faith”.
    What do other readers believe concerning transubstantiation, and why?
    I’ll welcome intelligent comment, but frankly will ignore the customary ad hominem rants.
    MMM

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    1. MMM, As you know I totally respect your points of view which are always backed up by rational thoughts respectfully delivered.

      As you know transubstantiation was a medieval philosophical theory attempting to explain Christs presence in the Eucharist.

      But no philosophical term can explain what we Christian’s call a mystery.

      So the term is inadequate.

      Some years ago I spent two weeks in Egypt under the guidance of an egyptologist. The recurring thought I had when visiting the old temples and hearing about their practises was “Is this where we got Christianity and Catholicism”?

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      1. PS

        Iris DeMent

        LET THE MYSTERY BE LYRICS

        [Chorus]
        Everybody is wondering what and where
        They all came from
        Everybody is worrying about where they’re going to go
        When the whole thing’s done
        But no one knows for certain and so it’s all the same to me
        I think I’ll just let the mystery be

        [Verse 1]
        Some say once gone you’re gone forever
        And some say you’re going to come back
        Some say you rest in the arms of the Saviour
        If in sinful ways you lack
        Some say that they’re coming back in a garden
        Bunch of carrots and little sweet peas
        I think I’ll just let the mystery be

        [Chorus]
        Everybody is wondering what and where
        They all came from
        Everybody is worrying about where they’re going to go
        When the whole thing’s done
        But no one knows for certain and so it’s all the same to me
        I think I’ll just let the mystery be

        [Verse 2]
        Some say they’re going to a place called Glory
        And I ain’t saying it ain’t a fact
        But I’ve heard that I’m on the road to Purgatory
        And I don’t like the sound of that
        I believe in love and I live my life accordingly
        But I choose to let the mystery be

        [Chorus]
        Everybody is wondering what and where
        They all came from
        Everybody is worrying about where they’re going to go
        When the whole thing’s done
        But no one knows for certain and so it’s all the same to me
        I think I’ll just let the mystery be
        I think I’ll just let the mystery be

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      2. Christ is present every where. I think the mass is just a reminder of it. He is present as I type on this blog.
        It is easier to be aware of this presence when you have silence. The world has lost it’s silence and severed it’s contact with God. According to one newspaper silence is the new luxury product.

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      3. MournemanMichael 5th Jul 2019 — 1:13 pm

        Indeed Pat. On my second trip to Egypt I spent three weeks with my daughter travelling from Cairo south to Aswan and Abu Simbel. She had studied Egyptology at Uni as an ancient civilisations module and explained much to me.
        That was about 25 yrs ago and like you, gave lots of food for my thoughts on Catholicism.
        MMM

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    2. You have a point, MMM. Judeo-Christians are indebted to much-older, pagan beliefs…in some respects. The Flood, for example, in Genesis has Summerian provenance; even the idea of blood sacrifice and resurrection have older, pagan equivalents. These beliefs are based on notions of purification and renewal: redemption, if you will. (Events at ancient Stonehenge reflected these practices.)
      But Judeo-Christianity didn’t introduce these beliefs to the world; far from it.
      What, then, to make of it all? Personally, I believe that supernatural truth, in certain incomplete degrees, has been known long before Judaism and Christianity came to town…and they were relative latecomers. Christianity is meant to be the synthesis and filter of these beliefs, at least in its purest, abstract form.
      Humankind in general will, instinctively, seek the divine, however imperfectly. But that reach for divinity is built-in. With respect, I think it’s in part why you visit this blog. I dare to say this, but I think, deep down (perhaps unconsciously on your part), you want someone (anyone) to say something (anything) that will reignite your faith in the divine: you’d love to believe; you want to believe: but you can’t, since faith, in part, defies human rationality. And you seek what cannot be found in humans alone: perfect knowledge of an ontology largely unknowable to ours…with divine dispensation, grace.

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      1. Lol I once watched a TV programme about vodou with my mother, in which an animal was sacrificed. She commented that this was terrible and I pointed at the crucifix on the wall and asked her what she thought that was about!

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      2. MournemanMichael 5th Jul 2019 — 9:50 pm

        Thank you Magna; Perhaps there’s things we might agree on.
        I think that seeking the supernatural truth you refer to is humankind’s attempts to make sense of our existence, and the ways and wonders of the world and its inhabitants around us.
        It seems all sorts of “truths” have evolved, been amended, become outmoded, died out, been resurrected, and all in keeping with humankind’s growing scientific knowledge. As yet we are a long way from understanding all, even if such is even remotely possible for the weak and feeble intellects so far evolved by humankind.
        The unknown remains mysterious and alluring and religion plays a prominent place in the panoply of “explanations.”
        “Seeking the divine” may be one way of describing human intelligence seeking understanding. I too seek understanding, but certainly not in any “re-ignition” of an incoherent belief system solely relying on blind faith in some form of deity. I am interested in the views of others, particularly when the blog engages intelligent comment from those who have moved away from traditional cradle catholic beliefs to offer perspectives of their own personal journey of understanding.
        For what it’s worth. consider the evidence for a central core of Christian beliefs; ie. the very existence of Jesus Christ as a man, let alone his alleged divinity. I’ve read that despite meticulous Roman record keeping of executions, especially crucifixions, at the time of Christ, yet there is no record or mention of Christ’s execution/crucifixion. I’ve read that although Pontius Pilate’s rule is well documented by Philo, a contemporary eminent Jewish author on history, philosophy and religion, none of his 50 surviving books even mention Jesus Christ. This seems all very strange for someone as supposedly important as Christ, so belief that a Jesus Christ mythology has been created by early Christians anxious to promote their beliefs is hardly surprising.
        The authenticity of the gospels too are subject of much debate. They are said to have been compiled well after Christ’s death. But I’m told that there is no record whatsoever concerning Christ written from first hand personal knowledge and observation of him and during his lifetime.
        So Magna, and others, yes I continue to seek understanding, but have not been made aware of any convincing evidence from historians, philosophers or writers at the time of the alleged Christ, who personally knew and contemporaneously described him and his supposedly wonderful works and words. So it’s little wonder I question all the subsequent religious beliefs originating from the early christian era, particularly the RC version of Christianity.
        I can but state my perspective and await enlightenment.
        MMM

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    3. MMM @ 9:50

      I think humankind’s instinctive reach for the divine is less intellectual than your post suggests. It’s not about wanting to make sense of human existence and the rest; it’s about human vulnerability exposed by the sometimes unsettling vagaries of that existence.

      As for your doubting the historical Jesus, there is an abundance of extra-biblical evidence for it.Tacitus, for example, a reliable and respected Roman historian, wrote of Emperor Nero’s persecution of early Christians following the fire that virtually destroyed Rome in A,D. 64:

      ‘Nero fastened the guilt…on a class hated for their abominations, called “Christians” by the populace. Christus , from whom the name hadbits origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of …Pontius Pilate..’.

      There is additional extra-biblical evidence from other sources, for example, Pliny the Younger, Josepus, etc. But I don’t see the point of dwelling on this, since, even if you were satisfied that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure, it would not, and could not, convince you of his divinity.

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      1. MournemanMichael 6th Jul 2019 — 12:19 am

        I’m afraid Magna that the info you give, like much else put forward by others, is not what I referred to. For example, Tacitus’s reference to events long after Christ’s alleged death is not contemporaneous personal reporting concerning Christ’s actions.
        If you, or anyone, can provide any references to historical personal first hand evidence, from Pliny, Josephus you refer to, or anywhere else, it would help.
        I appreciate my knowledge of all the relevant info is limited so look to those better informed to provide.
        I can only assess on what I know. I cannot simply follow the “dictates” of a discredited church: blind “faith” or “grace” simply does not ‘cut the mustard’. I’m not intentionally obdurate: just not impressed with suspect “evidence”.
        MMM

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  11. Well one thing is clear if nothing else: the Cathbots remain in denial of how they are seen by the world outside.
    It is over, guys, and your fortress mentality will make the situation worse. As will going on the attack.
    Not one of you has mentioned forgiveness, redemption, the mission your Saviour gave you to convert the world.
    The future for Europe is heavily Islamic and Liberal-diversity headed, and you lot are the reason.

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    1. Anonymous at 12:24pm
      One thing is very clear it is traitorous people like you who instead of defending The Fort have betrayed it many times. Those of us who remain faithful find our redemption in submission to the will of God and His Holy Church. It is for Almighty God to forgive not his creatures. If you think that the future for Europe is islam then God help us. We have to start now and stop allowing these infidels to take over, because believe me all they want is one world islam
      if anyone says a word against them you’re accused of being islamaphobic. We hear nothing of course about them being Christianaphobic. The first ones to squeal will be the liberals like you when they are forced to live under sharia law which will happen if they take over, and you lot are the reason.
      Evviva Maria!

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      1. Rofl!
        When Europe is completely Islamic it will be because of the behaviour of Christians.
        Now what could possibly be a Christian response to that statement? Shouting back that it’s the fault of the person making the statement?
        I read this blog every day and very rarely indeed do I see Christian attitudes. I see people who call themselves faithful spilling nothing but hatred.
        I have commented before here that I am grateful to these ‘Christians’ for exposing their true attitude.
        Who are the unchurched going to consider the better religion? The one where they see people praying or fasting but has a problem with extremists or the one which is notorious for abuse and seems to be completely unwilling to put its own house in order?
        By the way has +Pat given you permission to call him Patsy? You should be grateful for his charitable attitude towards you – anyone else would just bin your comments as abusive.

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  12. Killdorrery parishioner 5th Jul 2019 — 12:44 pm

    I have come to a decision on my future in the catholic church,since the abuse revelations ive had serious doubts about the true morality of the people in this church,
    But since the events in our parish church and how they have been dealt with or not dealt with , i can no longer in good conscience remain part of this church , i have not been in st Bartholomewes church since those horrible photos came in the public domain, now ive decided I’m finished as a member of this church

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    1. 12.44: Good for you. Now get off the stage. Or go out and help the homeless in your community. Practice true christianity – be Christ – and that may require you to stop tarnishing all with the same black brush. Or maybe you might sweep the front courtyard of your church……

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    2. I dont blame you. Cloyne and the bishop treated you abysmally.

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      1. 2.03: Buckie, just mind your own business. You make misery for others. Stop being a gossiping Minnie. You have drifted so far from Christ that you are worse than the priests you condemn. You are a monstrous hypocrite. The promise to keep the memory of Christ SACRED has long been abandoned by you. Long abandoned.

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    3. The Bishop awaits your letter of resignation and he will send it to the Holy See so you are liaised and with Good wishes I pray that you have fulfilment in life.
      Oh you maybe like many others and go on sabbatical like many others do and get Best of both worlds paid for by the laity and strangely enough we never hear of Bill or the Rocking Rev Edinburgh now.
      Pat will find you a place at the Oratory while the Church flushes out those who are unfit and we have a cleansed Church.

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    4. Stupid placing your dirty washing on this blog as soon as we see Sabbatical or C/O Diocesan Offices then we will know who it is.
      God Bless

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    5. Kildorrey @ 12.44pm

      I understand your position as i don’t blame you for that. That totally lies with Bishop Crean. That priest hanged around with my brother (both -alcoholics) for a good while even went abroad on hols. I was surprised when i heard this cos my brother is not gay maybe drinking buddies. That was long before Kildorrey happened.

      That priest is on indefinite leave as he gone for addiction/drink treatment. apart from that, what had happened on the altar in Kildorrey was a total complete sacrilege & also lack of respect for the sacred.

      I just wonder , that church in Kildorrey, has it been given an exorcism or special mass to clear or cleanse the sacrilege inside the church or not?

      If not, it’s a completer failure on Bishop Crean’s part to do something like this and restore back as to what was lost by way of sacrilege. It also implies that Crean doesn’t believe it (respect for sacred)as well he might say no need for that. If that is the case, he is not FIT as a bishop now who is supposed to look after the flock which isn’t. He doesn’t give a fig about flock in Cloyne.

      In my view Catholic church is gone in Ireland as bishops know it. In 20 years time will only tell about the state of the catholic church. Stopped giving money or donations long ago cos you don’t where that monies will go where.

      Only way to change their behaviour is to stop giving money or donations like wills etc to Catholic church.

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      1. MournemanMichael 6th Jul 2019 — 10:55 am

        DU:
        I’m wondering if it might be worthwhile for you to use a different “handle ” or pseudonym? Defining your persona by a disability seems a discredit to your other talents. Many of us, especially the older, have a hearing impairment, so how amount HI for hearing impaired, AKA as Happy Individual.
        Best Regards
        MMM

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    6. Anonymous at 8:15pm

      We can only pray and hope that Europe never becomes completely islamic their is only One True Church you talk about people praying and fasting. Are you talking about the same people who behead people cut off their hands use so called honor killings fling homosexuals off high buildings and numerous other abuses, their treatment of women.
      And your understatement that they have a problem with extremists! beggars belief. As for me asking Patsy for permission for anything are you for real? Patsy abuses the Church every day and calls the whole Hierarchy by feminine names so can’t complain when it is returned, have you not noticed. I don’t think that Patsy has asked permission from the Hierarchy to address them in that way you cretin!
      Evviva Maria!

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  13. Christ is present every where. I think the mass is just a reminder of it. He is present as I type on this blog.
    It is easier to be aware of this presence when you have silence. The world has lost it’s silence and severed it’s contact with God. According to one newspaper silence is the new luxury product.

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    1. Anon at 12:49pm
      Of course Our Lord is present everywhere but to say you think Mass is just a reminder of it tells me you are not a Catholic. At the moment of consecration during the Holy Mass the priest confects the transubstantiation when the elements become The Body, Blood,Soul and Divinity of Our Blessed Lord. I am astounded that you don’t know this,
      It is why we genuflect to the tabernacle on entering the Church because it contains The Real Presence and this belief is central to our Holy Faith I am sure even Patsy will be astonished.
      Evviva Maria!

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  14. It’s just one big, filthy open sewer, Bp Pat, and that’s just Edinburgh ever since KOB.

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    1. 2.01 I think you really need psychological help everyday you mention KOB and really he has gone from the Archdiocese for SIX years and it is sad the hurt he seems to have caused you.

      You forget these so called priests were will partners at the parties and so on and loved visiting the late Cardinal and likewise the Cardinal visited them and only now one left in active ministry that we know of.

      If you have been hurt with the Cardinal then contact Archbishop Cushley and he will try to help you however your certainly hurt.

      As for the Archdiocese of Saint Andrew’s and Edinburgh it is in a better standing now massive debts coming down and parishes rearranged and this week two ordinations.

      it is Glasgow that’s in a bad way too many parishes and weak leadership and you will know the VG resigned and the PP Monsignor Bradley of Govanhill Holy Cross has been appointed Vicar General and maybe Auxiliary Bishop soon.

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      1. Good post Peter. Everything you say is right apart from your love of Annie Walker (Leo) which is mis-guided. He is not popular amongst his clergy and is not the man for the job. He needs shipped out back to Rome to head up a Department. Glasgow has a plan – you watch Monsignor Hugh Canon Bradley sort it out with big Phil and the soon new to be new Chancellor. Watch this space.

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  15. Dalriada Dick 5th Jul 2019 — 2:21 pm

    I feel that Varadaker remarks were a bit uncalled for. He seems to have tarred most priest with the same brush when that should should not be the case. I know there are many good, hardworking and dedicated priests.
    However , one of the reasons the clergy in general are vilified today is because, unlike most other professions, they have traditionally made a promise to their bishop and would not break ranks with their presbyterate and blow the whistle on clergy wrong doing.
    Furthermore , when I t came to openness and transparency relating to finance and parish assets there was always obfuscation and silence. This situation pertained as the priests did not wish to be ostracised because they didn’t play the game and didn’t want to get a good belt of the crozier.
    Often they had to sacrifice their integrity to preserve the ‘good name’ of the church. A fine local example is none other than the wounded healer! Many fine priests were let down by the culture and behaviour of their leaders.
    So,as I said , while I don’t necessarily agree with Leo’s broadbrush and sweeping charge here I think I can see why he felt motovated to say what he did – rash as it was.
    I’m glad he apologised. It’s the mark of someone that when they are wrong to promptly admit it.
    Anyway, I’m noticing a few more folk around this weekend up here as The Open is fast approaching. Just got a nice bottle of Black Bush as a pressie. So, into the big chair, feet up and I’ll watch a bit of action from London SW19

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  16. I have met some very good priests, in fact throughout my life I havn’t had a complaint about one of them. Good men who were part of my upbringing, and I have very good memories. People as a majority are good. Knowledge about others failings of course causes doubth and unease, scaremongering Id call it. People need to be aware of all the tactics used to undermine what is good. Jesus never pointed a finger at anyone publicly, with the tip on anybodies sins publicly. As like the tower of Babylon too many words spoken by ourselves is an attempt to not meet God but to be God. There is only one truth we can rely on and that is Jesus, The Word of God. Regards L

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    1. So the sevenfold indictment of the Pharisees – the clergy of Jesus day is rubbish?

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      1. I knew someone would make that comment, and thank you for it. The seven woes to the Pharisees. But Jesus also said whoever is with us is not against us. Regards L

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    2. So the knowledge that convicted many clergymen to lengthy prison terms was scaremongering? So much for protecting children and young people.

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      1. What I said perhaps could be read as such, Thank you for your comment. But only considered apart from the rest of my previous comment. If you read my full text you may understand. And indeed your comment is proof of the message I wished to convey. In that We pick and choose what words to accept as knowledge
        and what to dismiss. Therefore, creating an opportunity for our own concepts, or in support of our own agendas. Its very simple, only Jesus the Word Of God is worth trust. And we indeed spend a lifetime trying to further our understanding. To truly understand the gospel we need to view it as a whole, not a factual statement of for example, How many blind men were at the gate and so on. The gospel is more than a teaching it is a way of life. We need to be aware of the spin. Regards L

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  17. 2.21: Vradkar had no justification to express so ignorant an analogy. It was rude, offensive and unnecessary. The man us bereft of leadership qualities, bereft of ideas, bereft of any imagination or vision for our country. He thought he was clever but his smart, ill thought comment backfired spectacularly. He must feel a right clown even with his apology. He is not a sincere man. Relies too much on spin. A shallow, empty man.

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  18. Priests are indentured servants. Their whole wellbeing and livelihood is bound up with the bishop. If the bishop wants to make your life misery, then he can. If he likes you and advances you, lucky you. It’s a crazy, feudal, medieval, outdated culture that tries to make itself respectable by some veneer of spiritual rationale, namely obedience to the bishop, who is the local voice of God. What stupid nonsense. While most priests probably realise this, they are still victim to this system, and so it is no surprise that they keep quiet, they do not criticise, they do not gainsay the bishop etc. It will be exactly the same culture surrounding the Pope. So how do we expect the Church to function and flourish in such a dysfunctional culture ? It needs radical change. And quickly.

    As for Leo V, well, he’s a product of a generation that has little regard for the Church and its functionaries, because of what he has seen and because of the way the Church has treated people like him. I think he was speaking his mind, and speaking for many people, who at the best simply discount the Church and priests and bishops as irrelevant, and at worse think that they are damaging to individuals and to society. I must say I share his point of view. So, I don’t see why he should have felt the need to apologise. Are priests now playing the victim game ?! Ah, poor things, after all those decades of lording it over us, while they lived on the high hock and got up to all kinds of no good. Shadenfreude !

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    1. Rocking Rev Edinburgh 5th Jul 2019 — 8:52 pm

      I am back after a few months illness and sabbatical. What have I missed?

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      1. 8.52: What have you missed? NOTHING.

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      2. Rock on, Rev! Welcome back.

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    2. 7:28

      Honest and terrific post.

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    3. MournemanMichael 5th Jul 2019 — 9:53 pm

      Many good points Anon @ 7:28. Thank you.
      MMM

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    4. MournemanMichael 6th Jul 2019 — 12:29 am

      Nailed it @7:28. Nothing more needs said.
      MMM

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  19. I am just profoundly sad. My own experience of priests has been very negative. I have tried and tried and tried. Like the person from Cloyne @ 12:44, I feel totally let down. I am from Galway and to see the way a priest there has been allowed to continue in ministry, in spite of so many complaints against him, is beyond the pale. To know that the priest that reported him has been treated with contempt adds insult to injury. He’s not the only one in Galway either. Nonetheless, Mr Varadkar should not have singled out one particular group. He is supposed to be neutral and pluralist.

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    1. And it’s not just the dioceses – there’s Dom Cuthbert Brogan who made an appearance on the previous blog and the Benediction authorities know full well what he’s about.

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  20. Cloyne Cleric 5th Jul 2019 — 8:29 pm

    Phonsie is putting down his marker for Dublin. Simple!

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    1. I hope not there is more talented Bishops in Ireland than him and it would be a backward step for the Church in Ireland.

      There may not be any movement on the Archbishop of Dublin till April2020 however Bishop Walsh is 75 in September we will see how quick Rome accepts his resignation.

      I would rather see Ray Browne before Phonsie and he is a lame duck.

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    2. Phonsie hasn’t done himself any favours regardless of looking for media profile.
      What is equally appallingly is the widescale world wide cover up by Bishops
      of abuse of children and vulnerable adults. Policy from Rome. It is known from case histories, many colleagues of abuser priests turned a blind eye, some even witnessed abuse and literally closed the door to let it continue.

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  21. Apparently, the comments and subsequent apology has been discussed on Liveline, Bp Pat, so I will listen to them at some point over the weekend. However, it is likely to backfire on Phonsie when one of his crew is discovered playing the pink oboe.
    https://www.rte.ie/radio1/liveline/programmes/2019/0704/1060199-liveline-thursday-4-july-2019/?clipid=103150127#103150127

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    1. Is that Shirley Bassey?

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      1. It might be Shirley Temp!e?

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    2. There’s pink oboes, flutes and thin whistles in plenty.

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  22. Audit all dioceses in Great Britain and Ireland to clear out the rot destroying the Church.

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  23. Boys, I ballsed it up by stupid remarks, I have apologised, so build a bridge and get over it. I was in the wrong. There are fantastic priests in Ireland.

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    1. Fantastic priests in Ireland? Begorrah! Sure they’re as plentiful as leprechauns, so they are.

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      1. And do they have “pots of gold” too? Judging by how many of them drive expensive new cars and dine in posh places, it might seem so.

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  24. The Roman Catholic Church has when confronted with the choice between gospel and religious ideology disguising itself as Christian has unashamedly opted for the latter

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