VATICAN SPENT 100 MILLION ON LONDON PROPERTY!

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Questions Persist About Vatican Finances, Real Estate
Many of the issues identified as problematic are still in play, according to informed sources who spoke with the Register.
Edward Pentin National Catholic Register / Catholic Herald
VATICAN CITY — By October 2016, two years into his term as prefect of the Vatican’s Secretariat for the Economy, Cardinal George Pell had become aware of a Vatican dicastery handling large amounts of unregistered cash in offshore accounts.
But nearly three years later the questions raised by Cardinal Pell about the management of Administration of the Patrimony of the Holy See (APSA), the dicastery which handles the Vatican’s real estate and financial assets, have seemingly gone unanswered. Pell had identified money laundering and fraud risks related to the APSA’s use of foreign bank accounts and had questioned particular asset and real estate transactions.
Keen to move swiftly ahead with Pope Francis’ mandate to root out mismanagement and possible corruption in Vatican financial operations, the cardinal prefect contacted Australian banking friends in London in 2016 to find out more. They estimated that possibly as much as €100 million could be held in these accounts, primarily in the branches of two private banks located in Lugano, Switzerland.
Cardinal Pell responded by saying he would ask a Swiss law firm to first collect bank statements going back 10 years of one of these accounts, and to have the Vatican’s auditor general, Libero Milone, a former partner with Deloitte, a multinational financial auditing and consultancy firm, inspect them. To do this, Pell had to ask in writing for Pope Francis’ permission, which the Holy Father duly gave him with a simple signature.
Yet the bank statements never made it to Cardinal Pell or Milone — both of whom subsequently departed from their Vatican positions. An alleged sexual abuse scandal overshadowed the cardinal, and a barrage of accusations besieged Milone, but a year later Vatican officials exonerated the auditor following an internal investigation that failed to produce evidence to support the accusations.
Sources say the initiative to obtain the bank statements was most likely sabotaged after certain individuals became aware of the inquiry. Officials at APSA often used the excuse that they were having difficulty obtaining the data when asked for information pertaining to these accounts.
“They were delaying it, having ‘problems,’” said one of two informed sources in comments to the Register. “Effectively they were shielding the accounts.”
A major part of the resistance, the Register has learned, is that much of the money was kept in “ciphered accounts” which the Promontory Financial Group — one of several outside contractors brought in to help clean up Vatican finances — warned in 2014 were a money laundering and fraud risk that needed to be addressed.
While many of the accounts are now thought to be closed, it remains unclear exactly how many there were or if any are still operating. (Promontory believed there were at least six accounts generating potentially problematic activity).
Although Cardinal Pell’s former dicastery, now headed by former APSA deputy Msgr. Luigi Mistò, is in charge of vigilance and control over APSA, sources say it appears unlikely that the dicastery will ever know the precise amounts that were held in these accounts, or to whom they belonged.

‘Highly Irregular Transactions’
The accounts in question had irregular international banking numbers, making them difficult to track.
The money that was thought to have been in these accounts, in the Lugano branches of two private banks, Banca della Svizzera Italiana and Julius Bär, could have been be as much as €7 billion, according to some estimates. Both banks refused to confirm or deny the existence of the accounts: a Julius Bär spokeswoman told the Register July 11 that as a “matter of policy” they “do not comment on alleged or existing client relationship.”
The existence of the offshore accounts and the difficulty in accounting for them was confirmed to the Register by a second source familiar with the situation.
“It became clear as the months went by that there was a hub of corruption within APSA, and related to this were these two banks in Lugano,” said the source on condition of anonymity. “Highly irregular transactions were transiting through these banks.”
Neither Claudia Ciocca, a director in the Secretariat for the Economy charged with investigating these accounts, nor Archbishop Nunzio Galantino, the current APSA president, responded to the Register’s request for comment.
Tommaso Di Ruzza, the director of the Vatican’s Financial Information Authority which monitored APSA until 2016, told the Register that as far as he was concerned, it was “not correct” to describe these as “illicit accounts.” He said he “cannot disclose if we found anomaly indicators.”
Di Ruzza said that “as a general rule,” if the Authority does find anomalies, it “spontaneously provides” and requests information from “its foreign counterparts” including Italian ones if “the interested subject is an Italian citizen or the transaction is connected with the Italian territory.” He declined to answer whether it made this verification when the Authority had oversight for APSA.

APSA’s Real Estate Holdings
Another challenge Cardinal Pell faced in trying to bring transparency, control and vigilance to Vatican finances was the inadequate management of foreign real estate holdings.
Sources say only few officials within APSA know the true extent of the Vatican’s foreign real estate portfolio, which is held largely “off the books” and handled confidentially.
Much of the foreign real estate APSA administers derives from funds the Italian government provided to the Vatican after the Lateran Pacts of 1929. This was paid in compensation for Church property that had been confiscation by the Italian state during the Risorgimento, the period in the 19th century during which the modern state of Italy was consolidated.
By 2016, the value of APSA’s real estate holdings was estimated to be worth at least €800 million with a portfolio including property in London’s prestigious Mayfair, as well as in Paris and Switzerland. The management of the UK portfolio is apparently carried out by APSA through a managing company called British Grolux Investments Ltd, which does not identify the Vatican’s ownership in its records although its board of directors contains various members linked directly to APSA.
In 2015, for reasons unknown, APSA spent €100 million to purchase a prestigious London property containing 108 apartments and 57,000 square feet of shops. Cardinal Domenico Calcagno, who served as APSA’s president from July 2011 until June of 2018, reportedly asked Cardinal Pell to effectively rubber-stamp the transaction only at the eleventh hour, but the cardinal advised against it due to serious questions he felt were unanswered.
The deal nevertheless went ahead after the Pope overruled Cardinal Pell’s concerns because Cardinal Calcagno had told Francis that APSA would lose its down payment of £3.5 million ($4.9 million) if the deal did not go ahead right away.
Cardinal Pell had also firmly opposed a proposal to use the Vatican’s pension fund for half the purchase, and specifically asked to know how this investment figured into the pension fund’s strategy.
But the fund’s president was also Cardinal Calcagno who wrote a letter to himself, from APSA to the fund, to approve the transaction. At the time the cardinal was also being investigated for embezzlement allegations relating to his time as bishop of Savona (that investigation has not resulted in any criminal proceedings against the cardinal, who had reached the mandatory retirement age of 75 for bishops at the time his resignation as president of APSA was accepted last year by Pope Francis).
The purchase of the London property in 2015, located at 176-206 High Street Kensington, is now viewed by officials as a mistake, having been made at the top of the London property market which experts were referring to as a “speculative bubble,” and with a relatively strong pound that lost significant value after the Brexit referendum a year later.
“What needs to be stressed is that the real estate APSA manages is not its own to manage, but belongs to the Church,” said the second Register source. “Instead, they deal with it like it’s theirs only, and if anyone tries to look in and see how they’re managing it, the person is seen as an intruder, even if that person happens to be from the Secretariat of State or from the Secretariat for the Economy.”

Lack of Transparency
APSA is not the only Vatican body with an apparent aversion to scrutiny. In 2017, the first ever external audit of the Vatican by Price Waterhouse Coopers (PwC) was abruptly cancelled by the Secretariat of State just months after it had started, and having been agreed upon by the Council of the Economy – a group of cardinals that oversees the Secretariat for the Economy.
Cardinal Pell’s dicastery had already uncovered vast amounts of money that had not been recorded in financial statements (94 million euros in the Secretariat for State, later followed by nearly 1 billion euros in various other dicasteries).
In comments to the Register, Cardinal Angelo Becciu, who was sostituto (second in charge) at the Secretariat of State at the time and is now prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, said he was unaware of the bank accounts or foreign real estate handled by APSA. He said APSA had its own “autonomy” and that not all of its operations were known to the Secretariat of State.
The Sardinian-born cardinal also said the Secretariat of State “never opposed, in principle, the audit by the PwC” but wanted to establish “temporal and thematic” limits to their “intervention.”
“They showed up and said they had to see everything,” he said, adding: “It is perfectly clear that this could not have been followed, also because of the very high costs of the operation, which had been agreed by the Secretariat for the Economy without consulting anyone.” The cardinal also maintained that because termination of the PwC contract was “consensual” and without any financial penalties, it showed that PwC auditors also “realized the operation had been poorly planned and that, for the good of all, had to be stopped.”
However, we understand from reliable sources that PwC was given alternative work to make up for the loss in fees.
Those same sources have told the Register that the events discussed in this article comprise just a “small sample” of the misconduct in play, but that Archbishop Galantino, and the new sostituto, Archbishop Edgar Peña Parra, are making some progress in addressing financial mismanagement and possible corruption in the Vatican and abroad.
What many evaluators, inspectors, and consultants would prefer to see is a radical change of personnel.
“It would be so simple to eliminate the corruption: change the people and obey the rules,” said the second Register source. “Changing the structures helps as that creates control and vigilance, checks and balances, but it’s senseless to do that if people who control the assets, human resources, employee contracts and so on, are the same corrupt people as before, the so-called ‘old guard.’”
In addition to Archbishop Galantino and Claudia Ciocca, the Register contacted Archbishop Peña Parra and the Holy See Press office asking if they could confirm the existence of the Swiss accounts, APSA’s foreign real estate portfolio, and the full reasons for the PwC audit cancellation. None of these parties replied to the Register’s queries for clarification regarding these matters.

ARMAGH CLERICAL CHANGED

Rev Vincent Darragh, PE, AP, Ardboe has retired

V Rev Thomas Daly, PP, Togher, to be PE, AP, Togher

V Rev Sean Larkin, PP, Lower Killeavy, to be PE, AP, Lower Killeavy

V Rev Brian Mac Raois, PP, VF, Carlingford & Omeath, to be PE, AP, Kilkerley

Rt Rev Mgr James Carroll, PE, Adm, EV, Monasterboice, to be PP, EV, Togher

V Rev Aidan Murphy, PE, AP, VF, Coalisland (Ballyclog and Donaghenry), to be PP, VF, Mullaghbawn (Forkhill)

V Rev John Heagney, PP, VF, Mullaghbawn (Forkhill), to be PE, AP, Eglish

V Rev John Connolly, PP, Clonfeacle, to continue as Adm, Eglish

Rev Aidan Dunne, CC, Lower Killeavy, to be PP, Lower Killeavy

Rev Patrick Rushe, CC, Kilkerley, to be PP, Monasterboice

Rev Uduak Abara, MSP, CC, Middle Killeavy, to return to the Missionary Society of St Paul for a new assignment

Rev Brian White, CC, Haggardstown & Blackrock, to be PP, Carlingford & Omeath

Rev Paul Murphy, while continuing as CC, St Peter’s, Drogheda, to pursue part-time a licentiate in Canon Law in Louvain, Belgium

Rev Aidan McCann, CC, Dungannon, to be CC, Haggardstown & Blackrock

Rev Milan Tomaga, on loan from Diocese of Banská Bystrica, Slovakia, to be CC, Dungannon

59 thoughts on “VATICAN SPENT 100 MILLION ON LONDON PROPERTY!

  1. The Unholy See, a greater mystery than the Abrahamic God herself, and a vice that proves the proverb that money is the root of all evil. 😈
    The Unholy See, quite probably the portal through which demonic malevolence enters our world.
    (Just a thought, like. 😀)

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    1. Isn’t the quote rather “the love of money”, conveyed by the rather neat single Greek word “philarguria”? I agree, however, with your sentiment entirely and this article suggest there is plenty of desire for wealth leading to corruption?

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      1. You’re right ; it is ‘the love of money…’. 👍

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    2. Poster at 6:18am!!!!

      Just a thought, if this poster ever got some sleep, her posts might not be so malevolent.
      Evivva Maria!

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      1. MournemanMichael 27th Jul 2019 — 1:07 am

        And if THIS poster gained a smidgen of insight, his posts might not be so tediously negative, repetitive, predictive, non instructive, and utterly boring.
        Wise up Bella if you’ve sufficient functioning brain cells left. Please!: for your constant intrusions are beginning to have I, for one, wonder at your mental equilibrium.
        MMM

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  2. If the devil himself were accused, would you grant him a presumption of innocence? Wouldn’t it be safer, and wiser, always to presume his guilt?
    This, then, is how one should treat his co-worker, the Unholy See.
    (Just another early morning thought, like.😆)

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  3. Fly on Th Wall 26th Jul 2019 — 8:48 am

    Same auld record hi. Make the Vatican part of Italy and have them pay tax contributions to genuine organisations for world peace and development. Can’t be Pope and emperor at the same time but. Hi what about a space mission to planet reality but

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  4. Does Amy d’Armagh know?

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  5. What’s happened to Pell’s appeal ? It seems to be taking along time for the final judgement to be given, isn’t it ? is this good for him, or an indication that they are going to find him guilty ? In the meantime, he is spending a lot more time in prison. I would have thought that if they were going to find him innocent, then they would do so pretty quickly in order to prevent him having to spend unnecessary time in prison. So, I think my view at the moment is that this is not going well for Pell.

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    1. A mural depicting a satanic figure hovering over a handcuffed George Pell stood just 50 metres from the entrance to St Mary’s Cathedral College and less than 100 metres from the front door of the disgraced archbishop’s former residence. It has since been removed.
      https://images.7news.com.au/publication/C-364598/1e71fee3abca78fa059c46d26b55d59ec686ed38-4×3-x0y363w750h563.jpg?imwidth=650&impolicy=sevennews_v2

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    2. I find the delay extraordinary, but I attribute it to the system operated by the courts in
      Victoria rather than to the eventual decision. In the great majority of criminal appeals in
      England and Wales, judgment is delivered ex tempore at the conclusion of counsel’s submissions.
      In a case which raises difficult legal issues, or is factually complex, judgment may be reserved and
      delivered in writing after a relatively short interval – usually measured in days, and certainly never in
      months. Whatever the conclusion reached, there seems to be nothing in Pell’s case to warrant
      a delay which is, putting matters very mildly, lacking in consideration for both complainant and defendant.

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      1. MournemanMichael 27th Jul 2019 — 1:27 am

        Thank you for that perspective. I much appreciate educative informed comment.
        MMM

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  6. Two articles in the latest The Tablet caught my eye this morning. They intersect at some crucial points, and highlight the terrible state that the Catholic Church finds itself in.
    The first is about the installation of Archbishop Wilson as the new Archbishop of Southwark, and his homily. All nice, fine words. All mainstream. All about love, being of service, following Jesus Christ, being a father, brother and friend etc. etc. Lots of words of encouragement and hope. Sort of a lesser Boris Johnson exhortation of hope and enthusiasm.
    The second article is about the flight of Catholics in Germany leaving the Church, which they are able to calculate there because there is a mechanism for leaving formally by declaring that you do not want to pay your Church taxes to the Roman Catholic Church. 218,000 Catholics left the Church formally in 2018. The German bishops recognise that this has in large part to do with the erosion of trust and integrity in the Church, particularly following sexual abuse revelations. Another bishop clearly makes a connection to the reality that “The Church had lost credibility because of the crimes committed by priests but also because of its traditional arguments on the hot button issues of women’s ordination, homosexuality or celibacy, which many Catholics no longer find convincing” In other words, whilst the sexual abuse scandal is a big driver, there are also other issues that modern day Catholics simply do not find believable or convincing in their lives and experience, and yet which the Church sticks to, even though it is clear that modern science, social understanding and justice indicate the Church’s standing on these issues is woefully lacking and out of date and step.
    Archbishop Wilson did not mention any of this. Just lovely formulaic warm words about stuff that is not controversial or problematic. Jesus Christ meek and mild stuff. Okay, there’s a hint there about social justice and being alongside the poor and marginalised, and none of us would argue with that. But, the stuff that really counts, and which has contributed to the present malaise in the Church by the dysfunction it brings in its wake particularly in the clerical culture, is not touched upon – sexuality, sexual morality, relationships, marriage, divorce, gender issues, equality, female ordination and service, celibacy. While people are happy to be made warm and fuzzy by the emollient words of Archbishop Wilson, in reality we are all desperate that our Church and its leaders would address the hot topic issues that are causing us and our Church such difficulties.
    Why, or why, Archbishop Wilson, did you not take the opportunity to address these matters, and to take our Church in to the debates and issues which are really important ? You missed a big opportunity there. I guess you have already become one of those Church leaders who is afraid of his own shadow and scared to talk about stuff that is important to us, rather preferring to give us inoffensive, nice, warm, fuzzy words that you hope will keep us quiet and submissive. And in the meantime, not just in Germany, but also here and in Ireland, people in their droves are giving up on you and your Church and going elsewhere, or nowhere. We deserve more from people like you than just fine warm words of hope and encouragement. I don’t believe them from Boris Johnson, and I don’t believe them from you either. I think they are just a means of avoidance and transference to enable you to not having to speak about what is really at issue. Man up, and face the issues, please !

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    1. Thanks, 9.31. Good points!
      You could, however, have edited your piece before posting and, in that way, avoided repetition. And you could have landed sooner. How you say something is as important as what you say.

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      1. …and you are ? My English master at school correcting my work….? At least I’m saying something. You ?

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    2. Here’s his homily:

      http://www.rcsouthwark.co.uk/media/Homily%20for%20the%20Installation%20of%20Archbishop%20John%20Wilson%2025.07.19.pdf

      Now tell me that this isn’t just pious formulaic guff ! Where does he bother to address the real lived issues of the Church and the people ? Where does he show that he has the slightest grasp of what is going on ? Or what to do about it ? Or even the beginnings of a plan, other than keeping the show on the road, the finger in the dyke, and just buggering on until he can pass the buck on to someone else ?

      Come on, we expect better.

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      1. Brevity is the soul of wit. (11.35)

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      2. Archbishop Wilson in a man of deep faith with a huge pastoral heart. He knows exactly what is going on. He wants to enthuse everyone with their faith that comes through a personal relationship with Christ. He will tackle other issues but Thursday was not the context for it. His heart is open to the Lord. Looks as if yours is just bitter and hardened.

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    3. @9:31 Another clerical moaner of yesteryear no doubt, who gets his weekly dose of liberal enthusiasm from flicking through the Tablet.

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    4. Join the Anglicans.

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  7. Pat, I am addicted to your blog, please send me the details of Rory’s rehab clinic so I can check myself in,
    Kind regards,
    Pat Mullaney

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  8. MournemanMichael 26th Jul 2019 — 11:33 am

    An excellent analysis A@9:31. Thank you.
    In relation to the RC church and today’s blog, nothing surprises me any more. What facet of its institution and organisation stands up to an analysis of its integrity? Very little I believe.
    While there are some good individual clerics, I have to acknowledge questions previously raised here as to their number and whether those who “bury themselves” in providing a personal pastoral service, (rather than calling out church evil they are aware of) can be truly regarded as “good”.
    RC institutional change will necessarily come from a pincer movement: political decisions such as removing the Vatican state’s status and integration into Italy as Fly comments, and accelerated disengagement of its traditional followers particularly financially. I regard increasing secularisation in Ireland, especially in education, as a sign of the times, and increasingly the future.
    MMM

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    1. The same could be said about social work as a profession. An analysis of its integrity indeed!

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      1. MournemanMichael 26th Jul 2019 — 5:00 pm

        Anon @2:38: I take it you have professional qualifications, skills and experience in that area and therefore well suited for an objective analysis?
        Or maybe you’re another of those “armchair experts” I referred to before? You know the type: “MY dog likes bones so ALL dogs must like bones. ”
        Do tell.
        MMM

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    2. 11.33: MMN: You are a balanced commentator mostly, but at times you are a little nasty with a barbed twist. Today your comment is good. When I was ordained it was deeply inculcated into my thinking that “you must always be doing something pastorally”. I saw this work ethic lived out by 2 priests in the parish where I worked for my first 6 years. It inspired me to be always doing something – and being of a creative nature I was entrusted with serious responsibilities. I ensured nothing went amiss in expectations of me. In subsequent parishes I worked with P.P’s of similar work ethic and to prove my credentials I emulated them. However in the last 12 years I realise that, while pastoral work in the full remit of that phrase, is important, I found that I lost focus of other, more serious issues happening under my nose: bullying both by clerics and lay staff: political machinations at Diocesan level which abhorred me: dishonesty among clergy and laity and in schools where I worked: a jealousy among priests and a laity that, when given roles of leadership were often very divisive. The problem for priests who are pastorally conscientious is that you can miss much of the more destructive behaviour and mindset. I approach my work now with prioritising the necessary work schedules. After that I try to evangelise through parish gatherings, retreats, etc….. I know now I am obliged to go beyond doing just my pastoral roles. I have to find the courage more and more to shout against the corruption, dishonesty, wastefulness, hypocrisy and contradictions I see every day within the church. It is easier said than done: I don’t have the energy at times, I find our ministry for others is under suspicion all the time; our identity has been smashed into fragments. I try to see hope. I try to be trusting that something different will unfold to give a new renewal, a gospel hope and a new priesthood for both laity and clerics. The issue for today’s blog is something that I can forget but in the overall scheme of things, it further fragments any credibility that there are genuinely “good” guys who are well intentioned..That I try to do what is right can be a safety net but it is a net through which I fall through more and more. And when on the ground it is difficult to stand straight again with confidence.

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      1. MournemanMichael 26th Jul 2019 — 5:13 pm

        Thank you for an earnest and insightfully mature comment. I do have a sense of compassion for those who maintain an integrity to the altruistic morality which first inspired them, despite seeing the foundation for much of their beliefs crumble around them.
        I wish you well.
        MMM

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      2. A rational and insightful comment. Thanks! 2.42

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  9. Horrendous report in the Times about Fort Augustus Abbey.

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    1. Behind a paywall, but BBC report not. It is hard to understand what kind of parents they had in those days.
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-49031216

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  10. Magna, you are of course aware of the former role of Devil’s advocate in the canonisation process. Given that the role has gone, and a man like St JP2 who is clearly an enabler of child abuse and not heroically virtuous has been canonised, surely at this point the holy way to go is to side with the devil?

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    1. Don’t even think of it! 😨

      The Wide Road to Perdition is much-too crowded these days (with a corresponding rise in nasty human smells). 😷

      Better the other road. Much more quiet these days. 😇

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    2. Jp2 was heroic in some virtues and deserved cannonisation. He also made some grevious mistakes which are now a good illustration of what not to do in certain circumstances. I hope this post does not inspire Magna to reproduce some of his choice phrases 😃

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      1. 2:53

        In what virtues was this man heroic? Did you know him personally that you felt qualified to make such a bold statement about someone who protected his paedophile priests knowing they were paedophiles?

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      2. JP11 was a dictator and a cover up merchant for people like Maciel. I think God will have given him a good dressing down and sent him to Purgatory for a long time. He could even be in hell!

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      3. 2:53pm …’ made some previous mistakes…’
        Covering up abuse by thousands of priests was a grevious mistake. It’s was a hell of a lot more than a
        grevious mistake! Maybe another mistake was his rapid canonization, most likely for political reasons.

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      4. The other thing that is wrong with this picture is that in the most conservative Christian sexual ethics genital activity is always wrong except with your married spouse and this is certainly the case in traditional Catholic sexual ethics. In fact anything else is a mortal sin.
        So in not preventing other avenues of sexual activity he was cheerfully ignoring tradition and grievously failing in his pastoral duty.
        When are people going to notice that paedophilia has always been a mortal sin and bishops who don’t prevent it are not even practising the Catholic faith? A Catholic bishop would see it as his pastoral duty to prevent paedophilia for the good of all concerned’s souls.
        Mistakes my a*se.

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  11. The Armagh clergy changes are the most boring appointments I’ve read in a long time. Is it reflective perhaps of the present Incumbent at Ara Coeli? Someone without vision, afraid to rock the boat, afraid to move troublesome PP’s. Instead he makes some curates PP’s and obviously is afraid to upset the status quo. Did I see one PE actually appointed to run a parish again? No mention of the bauld Coyle and McCamley. It smacks of Amy trying to remain comfortable with those around him whilst the Archdiocese burns. A boring list of changes from a very boring man.

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    1. 3.16 You are correct and really think these changes were churned out quick because it was stated on here they were out but they were not suppose to be changes till mid August.

      It is shameful that it looks like + martin only has his eye on the Cardinals jobs as these small changes are shocking for the size of the diocese.

      He is frightened to rock the boat well down on what clergy think of him less and less and it is shocking.

      +Martin is that frightened he is allowing a PP to stay as AP in the SAME parish so he will think he is still in control.

      Pope Francis has made a big mistake asking him to look after Dromore as he cannot administer Armagh and suppose to recommend to Pope Francis what to do with small Dromore move it into Armagh or back to Down and Connor well give the changes in Armagh he will likely recommend the status quo.

      maybe he has too big a work load surely he is not frightened at 58 years of age as he has a while to go yet.

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      1. 9.15pm. I totally agree with you that 3.16pm is totally on the ball with the Armagh lack of changes. Surely Pat has missed a trick here at not scrutinising this in more detail. Eamon Martin is totally out of his depth and these lack of changes is only one example of this. I heard today in certain parishes within the Archdiocese it was not the clergy who groaned with despondency at this sorrowful list but the laity. The laity who wanted rid of certain tyrannical PP’s but Eamon remained the wet and total drip that he is. Some of the old guard and retired are totally depressed beyond compare at the state of the Archdiocese, particularly under the leadership of the Nancy boy from Derry.

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      2. Dear Paul D,
        You haven’t the foggiest idea what you are talking about. Stick to Scottish football.

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  12. Any word on Rory or Mrs McCamley?

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    1. They remain incommunicado.

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  13. How is Bill Mulvihill getting on Pat?

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    1. Bill is going very well, thankfully.

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  14. Magna. I note your need in past posts to be correct but also to correct others. Perhaps I should correct you now. It’s not money but the love of money which is the root of all evil. Cheers

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    1. 3:24

      You missed that boat. Said correction was made much earlier, by another poster.

      I cheerfully acknowledged my error.

      You might want to ponder another proverb: ‘Look before you leap.’

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      1. Another fundamental error for you (M. Carta) to acknowledge:

        “It (Hellenistic) does not denote Greek itself, much less the dialect Koine Greek.”

        Even a week’s introduction to NT Greek would have taught you that Koine is not a dialect and Hellenistic is the name for the Greek language from the time of Alexander.

        And you boasted you were able to handle NT Greek – and Aramaic no less.

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      2. 3.59: Magna, otherwise piece of advice: Think before you speak!!!!It’s a useful principle. Now why did I think you might need this advice.

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    2. 5:55

      You have typed utter tripe.

      It is obvious you are smarting, very keenly indeed, from the intellectual drubbing I gave you yesterday.

      If you have ANY self-respect left, quit while you are this far behind.

      You vain and utter fool.

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      1. 10.07: Now Magna, when a more erudite mind comes along and doesn’t depend on Wikipedia, we sit up and listen. Well spotted and academically corrected 5.55. Keep your keen intellect for our overly zealous Magna, but who has a propensity to get it wrong on occasions. Magna was a brilliant plagiarist all the years…….

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    3. 10:28

      Doesn’t alter the fact that your friend typed utter, self-embrarassing tripe.

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      1. To poster at 10:08 and 11:09
        “You have typed utter tripe.”
        (M.Carta)
        “Hellenistic”
        “Of, or connected with the Greek history, language and culture of the 4th-1st centuries BC.”
        Oxford English Dictionary
        I don’t know the poster at 10:28 but I would imagine they would make a good friend.

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    4. 8:41
      ‘Connected’ with those things means precisely that; it does not mean the things themselves.
      ‘Hellenistic’ is an adjective, not a noun. It does not denote anything, because it is entirely descriptive.
      Are you capable of understanding the semantic nuance here?
      I despair that the standard of comprehension in these isles is so appallingly poor.

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      1. 10.29 at M. Carta. Not so.

        Hellenistic: OF (emphasis added) or connected with the Greek language.
        Do you require a definition of the preposition ‘of’ to clarify that it expresses the thing itself (ipsissima res) in the Possessive Case?

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  15. Nasty bad tempered Arinze has given a big interview to ‘The Catholic Herald’ this weekend. He speaks about celibacy and immigration amongst other topics. He doesn’t mention in this interview that on past trips to London how he has been demanding, shouting at people in the Sacristy and reducing servers young and not so young to tears because of his well known temper tantrums. What a fool. He also is well known for his hate for gays especially within the Priesthood. Then again, thats a Nigerian thing.

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  16. Pope Elvis the Fourth 26th Jul 2019 — 7:20 pm

    The ‘integrity’ of the most holy, Roman Catholic and apostolic church is being stripped away, layer by layer and its real self as a power crazy, assets hungry,, controlling organisation full of paedophilic operators, coverer uppers, thieves and lying bastards using God for its own nefarious activity is visible for all now to see.
    Pity those poor misguided souls who Sunday after Sunday put their hard earned money on the plate thinking they are doing the right thing. And the decent, well meaning priests who have worked hard to discover their efforts have been abused and wasted by a sinful hierarchy.
    Sad really!

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    1. MournemanMichael 27th Jul 2019 — 1:35 am

      Elvis: Your comment is a masterpiece of succinct analysis. Well done.
      MMM

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  17. +Pat any rumours regarding Clogher, Dromore, Derry, Down & Connor changes for 2019?

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