CORK PRIEST HITS OUT AT HYPOCRISY AND INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR.

Cork priest hits out at parents who choose nonbelievers as Godparents

Roisin Burke The Echo Cork.

Barefaced lying in the face of God” should not be tolerated by the Catholic community according to a Cork priest.

Gurranabraher Parish Priest Fr Tomás Walsh has denounced parents who are selecting nonbelievers as Godparents to their children as well as couples who chose to get married in a church simply because it is a nice building.

The priest, who has served in the Gurranbraher community for the past three years, told The Echo that disrespect at these special catholic occasions such as Baptisms, funerals and marriages, was a “big problem.”

“It is becoming increasingly impossible to conduct Baptism ceremonies with children running wildly around the church – and adults, obviously only present for the celebrations afterwards, not caring about the disturbance they or their children are causing.

“This is happening in every church in the country but ‘political correctness’ forbids one from speaking out.”
Fr Walsh also spoke out about Godparents who had “no faith at all” and who have “no intention in overseeing the child’s faith formation” making a promise in the church and “lying in the face of God.”

“Even more outrageous is the presence of Godparents who believe nothing themselves and are permitted to make promises to God that they will oversee the faith formation of the God-child.”

The Gurranabraher priest said that he also has an issue with couples who come to him, looking to be married in the church, who had little faith themselves.

Fr Walsh said that he tried to assess couples when they first come to him in order to decide if they were God-fearing people, but said that too often, people give the right answers.
“There are a number of alternatives nowadays for getting married. A church is not the only option and I always stress this to anyone thinking of getting married in a church. It is a charade if you do not have faith themselves.”

Finally, Fr Walsh mentioned guests of funerals and weddings being disrespectful and disruptive to the ceremonies.

“People come because they are invited, they don’t even pretend to have faith, they are in and out of the ceremony, just waiting for it to end so they can party in the hotel after.”

Priest slams use of cigarettes and cans of booze as symbols of dead loved one’s life at funerals

By Ann Mooney The Echo

A PRIEST has hit out at funeral-goers who use symbols like fags and beer cans to commentate a dead loved one’s life.
Controversial priest Fr Tomas Walsh spoke out about gifts and long tributes in the Cork Northside Gurranabraher newsletter.

Fr Walsh reckons a can of beer should not be brought to altar during a funeral as an offertory gift
Writing about items being brought to the altar as offertory gift, he said: “Bringing things such as a can of beer, a packet of cigarettes, a remote control, a mobile phone, or a football jersey does not tell us anything uplifting about the person who has died.
“Surely items such as a flower, a family photograph, a prayer-book or rosary reveals far more about the person who has died — and the loss he/she is to the family who grieve.”

Fr Walsh also expressed frustration with eulogies that go on “for as long as the Mass itself.”
The cleric — who has previously been outspoken about couples choosing godparents for their children who lack faith — said a funeral Mass is simply about praying for the dead.
He said: “A Requiem Mass is essentially the coming together of the family along with the believing community to pray for the person who has died.

PAT SAYS

I think that Fr Walsh makes very good points.

If people do not believe it is not appropriate for them to promise to help to bring children up in that faith.

And to do so, for social reasons is not authentic.

Neither is it authentic for people who dont believe to get married in a church because it’s a cute building.

The reason to get married in church is to ask God’s blessing on your marriage.

I think that people should be true to their beliefs and principles.

If you are an atheist that is good – but get married somewhere secular and with the services of a humanist celebrant. They are everywhere now.

I also agree with Fr Walsh about inappropriate items in an offertory procession.

Using cigarettes and cans of beer are tacky to say the least.

That procession should represent a person’s life and good quality.

Who wants a send off as a boozer and smoker?

On a priest’s coffin they normally place a stole and a book of the gospels.

Hypocrisy and tackiness do not add to a ceremony. In fact they detract from it.

76 thoughts on “CORK PRIEST HITS OUT AT HYPOCRISY AND INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR.

  1. I find myself in total agreement with you, Pat and with Fr Walsh.

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  2. Always got to make a bitchy comment at the end. For once I thought I was going to agree with you all the way through.
    Mind you I know of retired priest friends of yours who like the bottle and rent boys. So maybe you’re not quite so wrong.
    Recently an Anglican acquaintance died and when I asked a friend if they were going to the funeral the reply came back “No, I couldn’t cope with one lying in the coffin and another lying in the pulpit”. So maybe it’s not just a RC problem.

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  3. Ah, sh*t!
    I don’t think…
    But I do know…
    Even if it qualified, for whatever reason…
    Oh, for heaven’s sake!
    I agree with this bloody Christ-betrayer!
    What the f*** are you lookin’ at, pal?😠

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    1. 2.17: Magna: How easily you betray yourself. How easily you loose your self respect, what luttle you have! . Pat should not have posted your drunken, stupid and infantile comment. Grow up.

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      1. 9.03
        It’s called ‘humour’, you fool. The high irony of my agreeing with a Roman Catholic priest. 😀 ♥️

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      2. On the contrary. Magna was man enough to acknowledge one clergyman s take on things.

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    2. Poster at 2:17am!!!!!!

      How on earth can that stupid hack call Fr. Walsh controversial! it’s controversial that these stupid low lives think it’s appropriate to take these things to the altar. It show’s just how bad it’s became that anyone would do that. So once again I agree withe you Patsy but you really need to scrub yer pal MC’s mouth with carbolic the bold boy’s language is appalling altogether.
      Evivva Maria!

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      1. Bellarmine caro,
        Do you not see any contradiction between referring to human beings as ‘low life’ and your concern for things of the altar? If your religious practices were having the desired effect (and were to be pleading to God), you would cease to denigrate God’s beloved children, even though they might disagree with you.

        “But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice (Hosea 6:6).’” (Matthew 9:13).

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      2. pleasing (not pleading) to God

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      3. “Magna” at 11:46 am ‘humour’ you say?
        If you were a comedian “Carta”, you would be booed off the stage, under a hail of rotten tomatoes 😂😂😂

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      4. Anon at 2:35pm.
        No caro
        I don’t see any contradiction in calling them low-lives that is exactly what they are. I would not call them God’s beloved children either. More like the spawn of the devil and especially the fact they have the audacity to disagree with me confirms it.
        Ciao caro
        Evivva Maria!

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  4. Bishop Pat, I’m glad you like my wife and I’s contribution about dining out. It’s hurtful to think people find we are “enormous as houses” presuming that we eat out regularly. How wrong. We haven’t contributed to your blog for sometime. We do sometimes share a meal lately with a jug of water. My wife has been diagnosed with COPD so we’ve been unable to go out of late. We had a meal out in the Hillgrove recently but people seem to attack us.

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    1. Anonymous at 2:21am!!!
      How are you surprised that people attack you, I’m surprised you don’t have indigestion you’re too busy watching other diners in particular priests, mind your own business and you won’t be attacked you’re a pair of jealous auld gossips.
      Evivva Maria!

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      1. 11:21 Priests are supposed to lead simple lives.

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      2. The two diners are an obvious wind up. Someone’s ‘avin a larf.

        There are not enough priests around anymore – certainly not in Monaghan town – for the scenario this hoaxer alleges in the Hillgrove hotel.

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    2. 10:41pm: Bella, the core of Christianity is charity. Love of God AND love of neighbour. 💓

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  5. It would be helpful in debating this topic to find out whether there is a code of conduct for administering civil weddings and humanist naming and funeral celebrations. I would include the question of the timing and the degree of photograph taking. Is there s set fee for renting a civic building?

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    1. Poster at 11:26 am

      Priests are entitled to go out for a meal, without having to be scrutinized by a pair of auld begrudgers.
      Evivva Maria!

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  6. Fr. Walsh is described by the journalist Ann Mooney as “controversial priest Fr. Tomas Walsh”. Typical from some journalist who doesn’t accept his view. There’s nothing controversial in him simply telling the truth and stating the reality as he sees it. As a Church we have totally capitulated to what is going on around us in the secular world and so, we feel unable or unwilling to challenge it. Well done to Fr. Walsh. Unfortunately he will get no support from the hierarchy, who should be addressing these issues seriously but they haven’t a backbone between them.

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  7. Priests are experts “at hypocrisy and inappropriate behaviour.”

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    1. 8.05: You meant to say “some priests” surely!! Not all …. but you obviously love the sweeping generalisation…fool and idiot.

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      1. It has become difficult for priests, in general, to talk about hypocrisy and inappropriate behavior, especially when some of them have been caught, literally, with their pants down.

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    2. Remember KOB, the high priest of hypocrisy and inappropriate behavior. The Catholic Church in Scotland will never live it down.

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  8. Fly On Th Wall 9th Aug 2019 — 8:48 am

    A now hi. These mono priests need to learn to listen and speak in stereo but. These things say much about the people we get in church these days hi. Do like Jesus. Turn these things into a parable and moment of grace. Lack of clergy understanding can’t be communicated as bitching hi

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  9. Fr Walsh has a point, sort of. But, remember every encounter with people is an opportunity for grace, and the Lord can work in and through any situation, even the imperfect. I have to say that I never found myself refusing or denying the Sacraments to anybody. Only once did I encourage a father to go away and think about what I had said, and he came back and agreed. Actually, the pastoral skill is getting people to understand and to do their best. I don’t believe it is productive to get all black and white and insist on people fulfilling the requirements exactly. Very often it is the art of getting the most one can out of a situation, even the Sacraments. So, I’d encourage Fr Walsh and others not to be too precious about what they think should happen, although really they are more likely just standing on their dignity and what they think is the primacy of their interpretation of things. Backed up the the law of the Church, of course, they would say ! And to be as flexible as possible, persuasive, charming etc. in order to encourage people and bring them along as far as they can go. And, if occasionally we and the Lord are made fools of, well, I’m sure the Lord can cope with that. The trouble is, it seems, people like Fr Walsh and others aren’t able to cope with that. Quite often I would baptise kids on the faith of the grandparents, with the parents being indifferent, and hoping and praying that the grandparents influence would work. And usually it did. So, come on Fathers, get off your high horses and try to make it work, and if you look a bit of a tit and a fool, or feel that you have been duped, then just suck it up and offer it up. By getting all high and mighty you just make yourself look a bigger twat, and you alienate people, and lose people forever. Is that what you are called to do ? So, less about yourselves, please, more about the people you minister to, and more about the Lord, who would take all this in his stride and be quite content to be made a fool of. Get over yourselves, please !

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    1. Thank you. There are way too many Little Lord Fauntleroy priests.

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    2. 10:21 ; Good post, Rev. I liked it. If only more had your approach and attitude. 👍

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  10. He has a delightful attitude to his flock.
    Has he considered that the absence of faith in his parishioners could be related to their parish priest’s catechisis or the fact that they still expect a church wedding is related to the factory – farming way in which the church takes people through the sacraments of initiation?
    Also if he doesn’t want to minister to working class people he should really consider his vocation… Or pursue episcopacy.
    What a condescending pr*ck.

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  11. 06.45
    Couldn’t agree more. Especially your statement about support from the hierarchy. Any journo ringing a bishop’s office in Ireland for comment or endorsement will be told ‘ His Lordship is presently unavailable for comment’
    Spineless bunch!

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  12. Bishop Pat I totally agree with you that it is disgusting but it is up to the Priest what is in the offertory usually just hosts and wine.

    However at a recent Priests funeral in Down and Connor a Priest who had served over 40 years plus they forgot to place his Stole, chalice and book of the Gospels and it was shocking.

    To make it was the diocesan clergy that were there were dressed like Altar boys with no stole.

    Surely if he Bishop Treanor can spend 4 million on his home and offices he can purchased diocesan vestments as it must be one of the few diocese without diocesan vestments.

    The symbols or signs of their life should be stopped.

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    1. For heavens’ sake Paul D will you learn to write English sentences. Secondly, will you get a life. You mentioned only one bishop. No archbishop or cardinal? No papal nuncio? You are obsessed with prelates and the sex lives of others. You must have a sad existence. What do you do all day? And all night?

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      1. Anon 2.47
        I work as Hotel General Manager as a 44 year old Bi man !!!!!!
        And attend Holy Mass.
        You sound a real bully then that’s on the keyboard.

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  13. Clogher has no diocesan vestments either……shameful

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    1. I don’t think there were any fine vestments on Golgotha.

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      1. True.

        Jesus was likely buck naked on the cross; so, too, the so-called ‘thieves’.

        The Romans stripped their condemned to humiliate them publicly; it all added to the fun…for a Roman, of course.😕

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  14. Are you aware that the diocese of Clifton and bishop Declan Lang has a seminarian was kicked out of Maynooth and was in michael b’s class.
    He is now a senior year seminarian and is known for being highly liberal on certain teachings of the faith

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  15. If he was kicked out of Gaynooth he must have been pretty bad because he sounds just like their ticket!

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    1. He wasn’t actually a Maynooth seminarian – he was studying pastoral theology at the time as a student for the MSC’s. Most certainly was not kicked out, because his liberal views were perfectly welcome among the staff in Maynooth, but he was responsible in no small part for getting several good men kicked out. He got his order to file an official complaint to Mullaney about some seminarians who were too Catholic for him, and the infamous Sr Brid Liston did not hesitate to “investigate” the complaint and come down in this guy’s favour. The Maynooth scandal in 2015 was that 6 out of 10 seminarians in that class were being kicked out on Liston’s recommendation – this now Clifton seminarian was instrumental in bringing that about. Disaster if he ends up being ordained.

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      1. Wasn’t that the diocese with the gay atheist priest that the bishop did nothing about +Pat featured a few months ago now?

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      2. concerned@hotmale.com 9th Aug 2019 — 5:15 pm

        he was removed from his seminary for a year (no explanation why) and was sent to a church that celebrates a gay mass

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      3. Sounds as if he did the church a great favour.

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  16. When the cleric that physically abused students in his days dies the offertory will reflect his humble life; a cane, a miniature car reflecting his love of changing his car every year to reflect the current year and tickets to the Galway races.

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    1. Fly on Th Wall 9th Aug 2019 — 5:53 pm

      5.15 What’s a gay mass hi. Didn’t know there was such a thing as gay strait or even corkscrew shape mass but

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  17. I have no sympathy for his point of view, lay people have not just decided to ask non believers to be God Parents, to treat the church building like any public building, bring novelty items up at the presentation of gifts ( there is no offertory in the new Mass) and speak at length in jolly tones of the departed all of those habits must have been initiated by priests in the first place and for many years now. The priests behave in a totally informal way during the Mass ( the Lords Supper) themselves so don’t complain now it’s gone out of their control. It’s very simple don’t have the baptisms during Mass in a Sunday have them on a Saturday morning at 8.30, stop having any ‘ offertory processions’ altogether problems solved.

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    1. 2.36
      You are not correct! Yes there is an offertory in the main eucharistic prayers. It occurs after the institution narrative when the presider says ‘mementes offerimus.’

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  18. Canon Matt Hep 9th Aug 2019 — 3:11 pm

    Killala Diocese have 2 new seminarians this year. One going to Rome as a mature candidate, the other who is 21 will be going to Spain for pre-seminary studies. When John Fleming retires in 2023 he will have served 21 years as bishop and ordained just two men for the Diocese; one under 40 and one over 45.

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    1. rang his office three times and told the secretary it was ‘very important’ I speak with the bishop. He didn’t have the courtesy to ring me back.

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      1. Which bishop are you talking about? And what is the issue?

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      2. They prefer it by email or by letter as they do not know who they are speaking to on the telephone and may get recorded.
        The Church lawyers have told all Bishops, Clergy and Lay Staff to always get it in print.
        However you are not always guaranteed a reply but they should.

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  19. 11.56am. You are in denial, you say there are not enough priests in Monaghan town to be in the Hillgrove on a Sunday? My wife and I never once claimed that the Priests that we saw where from Monaghan town, we claimed we saw a group of priests full stop. Has this hit a raw nerve? If as you say, there wouldn’t be a group of priests gathered at the Hillgrove. Can you explain the big reception there recently for Bishop McDaid’s priestly anniversary and Bisho Duffy’s extravagant book launch at Hilgrove a year ago? Who paid for this. Did you? Can you dispute these events didn’t take place. My wife takes notes. We are far from wind up merchants I assure you.

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    1. Ah is dear old Bishop Duffy still in the land of the living? And launching a book? I hope it sells well. What’s the title?

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      1. 3.59

        Probably, ‘I did it MY Way’

        ‘Essays on humility’

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      2. Yes, Bishop Duffy wrote a book about a Saint from Clones over a year ago, a big launch in the Hillgrove. Loads of drink taken by assembled clergy because my wife took notes and photographs. He held his hands up over protecting a paedophile priest. My wife and I are still waiting for the poster at 11.56am to back up their story that we are “wind up”. Evidence please because the clergy gatherings in the Hillgrove you have not yet disputed let alone commented on. Tomorrow we will be dining in the Rostrevor area.

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      3. “Joseph in his Own Words.”

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    2. @3:16 You are a wind up merchant and a hoaxer. Get a life you saddo 😉

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      1. But does your wife never don an apron and cook you something special?
        My sister did what was called domestic science in the day. One of the chapters recommended ensuring that at the husband’s arrival home the good housewife would have the children busy in a back room, that she would have given herself a little makeover, and that his slippers should be warming. I imagine it was you two the author had in mind.

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      2. I’m sorry that you seem challenged by our contribution today. It says more about you Canon, Monsignor or Parish Priest. It’s obvious. In fact over tea we have rearranged our trip to Rostrevor tomorrow. We have decided to go to Portglenone to the lying in state of Br Joseph. The other priest Monks there had no time for Joseph because he was a brother and not a Priest, my wife maintains that they used him simply because he was a Brother. My wife who has connections in that part says the land has been sold on that great site and they are returning to their natural home near Mellary.

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  20. My wife and I were enjoying lunch today in Newry, a carvery and very delicious it was too. In walked two young priests as bold as brass to dine and the waitress was falling over them like they were God. We got ignored as all their needs got catered for, red wine if you please for both and the best of everything for them. My wife said they were probably dining out on the Trocaire box money. I could just about hear them muttering about church gossip no doubt and probably ridiculing their parishioners. Some foolish people stopped to chat with them and offer to buy them drinks, I said to my wife how gullible these people are. We couldnt believe how they could walk casually into a packed hotel wearing their collars in this climate. They both had two glasses of wine so why would you drive after that? We waited deliberately and my wife observed them getting into their car as bold as brass. We took their registration. My wife also wanted to see what type of car it was. Predictably it was the latest flash Audi. What a disgrace.

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    1. 7.41: A pair of brainless twits who should be placed in a home for the bewildered and sad. You are both mentally unstable and if you dine out as often as you say you do, you both are probably winos! Your brains are sizzled with it. You boring old gluttons….You must be hugely fat with all your fine dining….Now don’t forget to say the Rosary in thanksgiving to God and – kiss each other good night..but wash your mouths first in case your breath stinks with all your wining and dining……

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      1. We don’t dine out as often as you said we do. Did you not read my experience ? We haven’t been on for months, where have you been?>

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      2. We don’t dine out regularly as you falsely claim, we never claimed to dine out regularly. Sorry to disappoint you. Get it right!!

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    2. You are a very obvious liar and fabricator at 7:41pm and, to be honest, it’s wearing a bit thin at this stage, so would you ever do one?

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    3. 7.41 You should have your own website “Places I have dined and spied on priests”. Then you could publish your pictures as evidence and prove that you are not a fantasist.

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      1. Thanks. You are a blood sucking Priest. Right? Your reaction is so obvious.

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    4. 7:41 Lol!!!!
      Are you a Protestant minister, by the way? If you are, did you know you can convert, or rather ‘enter into full communion with the See of Rome,’ and still maintain your wife? If you do, just so as you can’t say you weren’t warned, if she dies before you do, you won’t be able to remarry. But by the sounds of her, she’s irreplaceable, one in a million.

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    5. I seem to recall reading the same review a while ago, but it was “waiters”, not waitresses, who were falling over themselves for the pulpit pooves last time round.

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    6. This is a total fool replica of Me and my wife. Very bogus at 7.41pm. She told me to leave it alone. I think Bishop Pat, you are not a fool.

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  21. Has anyone any thoughts about intrusive photography during the liturgy? The only angle not currently used is the photographer standing on the shoulders of the priest.

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  22. Hi Pat.

    I’m a waitress in a big hotel and I daren’t say the name.

    There’s this pair comes in to our restaurant and they have us all tortured.

    She’s ugly as a sow wearing lipstick with bristles on her chin and she keeps flirting with the young waiters and brushing her hands across their buttocks when they are pouring the wine of which they drink copious amounts. They’d drink it off of a sore leg so they would Pat.

    He’s as fat as a fool and when he comes in we have to give him a reinforced chair as he had broken about four chairs in the past with his massive big ass. He looks a bit like Benny Hill gone badly wrong.

    There’s an “all you can eat” buffet in our hotel of a Saturday and of a Sunday. Someone needs to tell thon two that’s an invitation not a challenge.

    Our chef is a nervous wreck when he sees thon two big glipes coming in because he can’t keep up with the horsing in to them of their two selves. It’s like watching a boar and a sow at a trough.

    And, Pat, talk about obsession with priests? ?? That’s all they do is talk about priests. Do you know this priest? Do you know that priest? Have you never heard tell of Fr this one and Fr that one? That’s all ye get out of them.

    Tight as ducks’ arses too Pat the two of them. They have us run off our feet dancing attendance on them and do ye think they would show their appreciation with a wee tip?? Think again. They wouldn’t give ye the smell of their fart (well he would because he’s a very uncouth man).

    They’ve been caught a few times by the guards hiding in the bushes outside the priests’ houses in different towns in places like Newry and Monaghan.

    Just marking your card Pat should you be out some night in the Ballygally Castle and find two sets of eyes boring into you as you try to enjoy your Chateaubriand in peace with your hus-wife.

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    1. You are obviously a total fraud and hoax. ‘All you eat buffet’ in your hotel on a Saturday you say , I don’t know any hotel in Ireland that offers that. Then from an all you eat buffet to chateaubriand – please do tell where this place is so my wife and I can visit, it seems so ideal. She takes notes you know.

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  23. Sorry to disappoint you. We don’t have great appetites. We don’t eat big portions for Sunday lunch. Maybe you do, I’ll get you a doggy bag next time.

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  24. Bella would probably have us believe that priests set a good example. I’m seriously worried for Bella. He/she has flipped their lid and has reinforced blinkers on. Is Bella really the Bishop of Bling or one of his clergy? Surely no one not even Bella is that blind to the goings on in the rc junta🙈🙉🙊

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    1. Anonymous at 10;24pm

      Don’t you worry about me, I think you’ve flipped your lid you sound really demented and a bit too interested in bling perhaps you could wear a bit less and you’ll feel better. Surely even an enemy of the Church like yourself doesn’t believe all you hear but you probably get off on it. I’m beginning to think you’re like dear Magna too much of the Gargle.
      Evivva Maria!

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  25. Can anyone (even dear, gentle Jesus) imagine, in his wildest imagining, the WHOREDOM

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    1. 12.44
      If ANY one is brave enough to answer, then please do so now…cos I”‘m about to pass out…eeergh 😣

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  26. Bella. Whist I haven’t had a drink in months, reading your posts is enough to put anyone on the drink. And as for “enemy of the church” you would be better scribing it “enemy of evil”. I fear the sparkle of the bishops bling is blinding you. But do keep posting Bella. We can all do with a laugh and you are such a comedian albeit a deluded one

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