TITTLE TATTLE BETWEEN TWO IRISH BISHOPS 1968 – PLUS.

A Dublin priest has given me correspondence to and from Joe Carroll, the late auxiliary bishop of Dublin.

As well as being auxiliary bishop of Dublin he was president of Clonliffe Seminary when I was there – 1970 – 1973.

He was a pompous man loved being a bishop and dressing up as a bishop.

The correspondence I have were letters to and from him about his Episcopal consecration in 1968.

Bishop Patrick Dunne

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THE INVITATION TO THE CONSECRATION

BELOW: A LETTER FROM A RETIRED AUXILIARY OF DUBLIN PATRICK DUNNE

Dunne is thanking Joe Carroll from buying him a purple bishop’s biretta from the famous, and expensive Gamarelli Roman clerical outfitters.

He is also sympathising with Joe Carroll about the people saying they cant attend.

The Taoiseach of the time, Jack Lynch said he was coming.

Another letter from Bishop Dunne laments the fact that he and another bishop were not wearing enough clobber at a recent consecration and the fact that he did not get enough prominence at the ceremony.

BELOW: THE BUSKINS AND SANDALD DUNNE WANTED HIM AND JOE TO WEAR AT HIS CONSECRATION.

Bishop Dunne wanted to buy Joe a chain for his pectoral cross – a good one from Rome – solid gold I’m sure. And Dunne refers to him as “My Dear Lord’.

So much for

“There is only one Lord and he is in Heaven.

And then there is the letter from the Chief Hearld of Ireland about Joe’s coat of arms.

And then the note to Ossie Dowling the press officer saying

“Ring my private line. Let it ring three times and then hang up and ring again”

The documents I recieved

As I said poor Joe was very pompous.

He loved parading around in all the gear.

He once announced at lunch time in the seminary that he had mistaken for Cardinal Manning that morning. He was beaming,

But the correspondence in an insight into Irish bishops in 1968.

123 thoughts on “TITTLE TATTLE BETWEEN TWO IRISH BISHOPS 1968 – PLUS.

  1. We know your informant, it’s clear as day. It’s a terrible thing to be disgruntled and been passed for promotion. Of course, you lap it up like a cat and cream.

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    1. You do not know my source.
      You would be amazed if you did.

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      1. Patrick, you come out with the same predictable shite responses as usual. We know your very limited sources and we are not amazed at who they are. Sorry to disappoint

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      2. So, who is my Dublin source then?

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    2. 12.36 your post and the mindset behind it justifies this blog with all its shortcomings.

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  2. I wonder if anyone reading n Irish bishop’s emails/texts in 50 years time will find them any different.
    Greetings from Lourdes.

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    1. Remember me at the Grotto.

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  3. Lol imagine being mistaken for someone who had been dead for sixty years! Unless you mean someone else?

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  4. Don’t worry today they all hate dressing up it’s a real nuisance for them draws too much attention but please don’t think it’s because they are living some sort of Fransican poverty and humility, they prefer to be centre stage with a microphone. Personally I prefer them to spend their donations on bitettas and soutanes it at least is a sign of some interest in the office they hold and goes back to a time when clerics generally took care of their appearance most priests and bishops today need a good wash and a trip to the dentist

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  5. I lived in the parish of St Mary’s, Haddington Road, in the late 1950s, early 1960s. Bishop Dunne was an
    amiable man, who combined the roles of parish priest and sole auxiliary bishop. He worked hard
    conducting confirmation services – this at a time when most young people came (perhaps I should have said
    ‘were brought’) forward for confirmation, and there was no practice of delegating the task of confirming to
    episcopal vicars etc. Dunne was a Rugby enthusiast and took a very different view from his archbishop as to
    the propriety of priests playing the game.
    @0628 am. Perhaps Carroll meant the Los Angeles Manning who was created a cardinal in 1973?

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    1. He did mean the Los Angeles Manning.

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  6. When Dublin changed the remuneration system for priests under the reign of Dermot Ryan (I think) His Lordship Dunne refused to be part of the new system and retained the old in Haddington Rd. A common fund was established to give an equality of income to all priests. Under the old system the priests lived on the income of the parish so rich parish meant rich priests, while others barely made ends meet in poorer places. It was a useful control mechanism for His Grace. Dunne was a greedy little man. Their Lordships were in many cases from humble backgrounds and though of themselves as clerical nobility – Princes of the Church……..what a laugh.

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  7. Patsy
    Thank you so much for bringing back memories of these magnificent Prelates, His Lordship Bishop Joseph Carroll and His Lordship Bishop Patrick Dunne, I know of course that was not your intention, which is is to view them in a negative way, but not for me, I remember them well with great affection, both the epitome of what a Bishop should be. Compared to what we now have it’s heartbreaking. Of course the polyester and zip-up alb brigade will howl in protest, but who cares. May the souls of these wonderful Bishops rest in peace.

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    1. 9:06
      Bella, sorry for your troubling heartbreak.
      How were these men ‘the epitome of what a Bishop should be’? What ‘should a Bishop be’ ?

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      1. Anonymous at 10:36am

        I can tell you’re very sorry from your sarcasm but I could not care less for people like you. Those wonderful Bishops looked after their people very well worked hard at their job and did not delegate work like they do now. But above all they behaved and appeared always mindful of the dignity of their office, that to me is the epitome of what a Bishop should be. Is that you Magna? sounds like you.
        Evviva Maria!

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  8. We get to peep into the world of sumptious episcopal living from abundant mammon through those easy and telling words of Dunne: ‘You need not have any scruple about my paying for one of the red vestments. A set is required in the church and the church account will pay.’
    No concerns here (much less worries) about cashflow. No sense of living from hand to mouth, as many of Dunne’s fellow Catholics at the time were doing.
    We’ve entered a rarified, and socially detached, world through this correspondence, as distant as one can imagine from the gospel values of simplicity, poverty, and total dependence on God.
    This style of episcopal living was a blueprint for both personal, and eventual ecclesial destruction. To put it another way, ‘a ticking time-bomb that would begin razing the Church to the ground’.
    It’s good to know that present-day bishops, like Noel Treanor, are fully in tune with the lessons taught by this particular school of history, and are living in ways more reminiscent of Christ himself.

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    1. The money was spent on vestments not holidays to villas in Spain, the priests and bishops lived in big houses full of statues not mobile phones and TVs, money was usually fed back to their families rather than to ‘ friends’.

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      1. Oh, church accounts back then may not have financed such modern accessories as mobile phones and smart tvs, and such luxuries as holidays to villas in Spain; but every era has its equivalents, and 1968 is no exception.

        I’m reminded of a post earlier this year by MMM. His uncle, a canon, purchased such fine curtains for his first presbytery as a parish priest that one of MMM’s aunts remarked that more had been spent on those curtains alone than she and her husband had spent on furnishing their first home.

        I’m not surprised that at least some of these men were able, as you said, to feed money back to their families: they had no shortage of it.

        Yes, telling indeed.

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      2. MournemanMichael 27th Aug 2019 — 10:43 am

        Oh! So it was all okay then?
        Following Down’s All Ireland successful early ’60’s seasons ordinary people could scarcely manage to get a meal in Dublin or Dundalk: everywhere bunged with priests getting priority to fill their fat faces. Good that things have changed……..a little!
        MMM

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      3. Wynnes Hotel in Dublin was almost exclusively for priests and nuns in the 1960s.

        Earlier than that many priests stayed there on their regular visits to the prostitutes in Monto.

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    2. 11:03
      Bella, you seem to suggest, keeping up appearances is the epitome of what a Bishop should be.
      How were they wonderful? How were they good to their people? How do you know if they worked hard at their job or if they did or didn’t delegate? Were you friends with any of these men?
      You sound like your old self, not caring about people like me! But I care for you, Bella! 😉

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      1. You must be a supreme optimist A. at 11.38: putting questions to Bella and expecting any sensible answer????
        Pi&&ing against the wind would be more productive.

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      2. Anonymous at 11:38pm

        I can tell you care for me you’re so kind to me. You ask how wonderful these great prelates were they served their parishioners well they did their confirmations themselves and did not delegate as they do now. Unfortunately I was not friends with them but I never heard a bad thing about them. I only knew them from Mass’s and Confirmations I attended when they were the celebrants and they were magnificent. I can still hear the strains of the Ecce Sacerdus Magnus as they entered the Church, wonderful day’s. Thanks be to God we didn’t know then what was to come.
        Evviva Maria!

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      3. Lagan Len at 12:14pm
        Why don’t you keep Pi&&ing against the wind you’re very productive at it, you do talk a lot of Pi&&!
        Evviva Maria!

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  9. Remember me at the Grotto.

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    1. Patsy at 10:46am

      Patsy you might be right about Wynnes, but not about Monto they would have been recognized if from Dublin unless they were culshies.
      Evviva Maria!

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      1. They were priests from the country areas.

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      2. Granny Grammaticus 27th Aug 2019 — 12:25 pm

        Now here’s a really simple test Bella, to see if you ever listen!
        You’ve used the word before now, and spell it wrongly each time.
        The pejorative word for rural folk in Ireland is “culchies”: not as you spell it.
        Now folks, let’s see next time he uses it to see if he’s persistently stubborn, unwilling to listen, plain stupid, or maybe all three of them.

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      3. 12:14
        Lagan Len, we live in hope! 😉
        Bashful Bella, may surprise us all if the…penny from heaven… finally drops…. for him.
        Meanwhile, I’ll stay in out of the wind and rain. 😴

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      4. Wynne’s Hotel was still the venue of choice for clergy and nuns well into the 1980s. As a seminarian up from Maynooth one Sunday in 1989 I had Dover Sole for the first time in my life.
        My fellow sem diners used to play “spot the nun”. You could see them a mile off. We called them the topless nuns, their veils having been thrown into the skip.

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      5. Nowadays, ‘nun’ is the most common definition for ‘nothing’ on Snapchat, WhatsApp, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, etc.

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  10. @10.43am Poor Mournful Mick shows his true colours again with another outlandish claim as per. Nobody could get a meal between Dublin and Dundalk he claims because of clergy? That’s one hell of a radius!! For an atheist you sure take such an interest in clergy and Church matters. I detect unresolved religious issues, namely being chucked out of Seminary. Sounds familiar like so many contributors on this blog.

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    1. 11.49
      MMM said ‘in Dublin or Dundalk’, not ‘between Dublin and Dundalk’.

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    2. MournemanMichael 27th Aug 2019 — 1:02 pm

      Anon@ 11:49: I really did laugh at your comment: honestly. Your powers of detection might just be as useful as your powers of deduction.
      You, and various other others have referred to ex seminarians having been “chucked out.” There seems to be a self satisfying justification present in some clerical commentators of this ilk, and, I wonder, to what extent some of them regret that they didn’t have the balls to quit of their own volition.
      For myself, I made the decision to leave mid was through 3rd Divinity, after about the third or fourth time going to the spiritual director to discuss my increasing deep founded uncertainties about the nature of the RC church and my own proposed role in promoting stuff I seriously doubted as valid. He could give no sensible answers to what I thought then, and still do, were very reasonable questions.
      I chose not to bury my head in the sand, have never had any regrets. 50+ years later I know it was the right thing to do. I’ve yet to meet a former classmate who regretted leaving, but have met several who were ordained, subsequently regretted it, and quit, and others who in confidence tell me their 50+ years priesthood has been a waste of a good life, disenchanted and trapped in an institution they have lost faith and belief in.
      “There but for the grace of…….”: if you believe in that sort of thing!
      MMM

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      1. 1.02: Good for you MMM that you made your decisions of your own volition. And undoubtedly you were successful in your chosen field of work. Yes, it is very easy to become disillusioned as a priest in today’s broken, dysfunctional church and in an increasingly secular, multi faith and pluralist society. However difficult the challenge, surely you must give some affirmation to the many clerics who try their utmost to live the gospel, those who give of themselves for the good of others, those who remain with Christ alone and not give adherence to the institution. The crises of recent decades have made me rethink priesthood and ministry. I think it’s unfair to appear to delight in the struggles and disillusionment of others, who, despite the temptation to leave priesthood, continue to find relevance and meaning in their ministry. Scorn, ridicule and mockery should not exist in your lexicon.

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    3. Why would Down priests be celebrating in Dublin and Dundalk for weeks on end, MMM or is it an outlandish claim?

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      1. MournemanMichael 27th Aug 2019 — 2:43 pm

        Okay: To make it simple for you, and 11:49 above already corrected by MC, I’ll explain: not outlandish A. @1:23, but from personal observation.
        On those early 1960s Sundays when Down played in Dublin, it seemed many priests from northern counties, especially Down, Armagh and Cavan, made it a big day out mostly for PPs leaving the curates to undertake their Sunday parish duties. The clergy always seemed able to get the better seated tickets for the Hogan stand, and, after the match, to adjourn to their favourite Dublin and Dundalk eating venues: the Clarence, Adelphi and Ballymascanlon being prime examples. They often had an “advance form” of tipping: nods and winks to waiting room staff with words in their ear while notes pressed into hands seemed the modus operandi to be quietly ushered forward to next available table, or one “reserved.” Few, if any priests would be seen at ordinary cafes: it was nothing but the best for them, and tucking into mixed grills seemed their favourite. That there was so many priests seeking, and getting this preferential treatment while ordinary Joe Bloggs had to queue was a common source of disgruntlement at the time summed up by the oft repeated comment: “Bloody priests everywhere living high on the hog!”
        MMM

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      2. My PP when I was a seminarian used to take me for High Tea at The Carlton Grill in O Connell Street. He had his own table there which others could use if he was not present.

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    4. Granny Grammaticus at 12:25pm
      Thank you so much for correcting me, you are so kind, but I have to tell you, you can stick your test as I would not listen to anything an auld wagon like you say. Anyway you lost your title of Granny Grammar and Queen of Academia because of your lack of vocabulary Bye Bye.
      Evviva Maria!

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      1. Groaning Granny Grammaticus 28th Aug 2019 — 10:08 am

        Okay Bla Bla: so I’ll leave you to flounder in your grammatical and spelling mistakes. But another one just before I go: it’s “Ecce Sacerdos Magnus”: not how you spell it as “Sacerdus” above. Got it: not dus: Duh!

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    5. 12:25pm
      GG, regarding simple testing, never make assumptions.

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  11. The physical and sexual abuse would have been rampant at the time of the correspondence between the two narcissistic old queens. Vile.

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    1. 11.54

      Yes, indeed. And it is not stretching credibility too far to say that these bishops were very likely at the heart of concealing these abuses, and of brushing aside victims and the safety of other children.

      From this correspondence, these were worldly men, to whom gospel values were a pretense and a show, and things only to be knowledgeable about. They wouldn’t have cared a fig for the children of the hoi-polloi, who likely constituted the majority of those raped, sodomised, or otherwise sexually molested or ill-treated by priests and religious.

      Yes, model bishops, the pair of them.

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      1. Model T’s more like.

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    2. Err it’s rampant now 2019 have you looked at this blog recently? You’re right to condemn those vile queens though we need more condemnation of nasty homosexuals not less and the more we can keep promoting stereotypical name calling from the seventies going the better, when’s poofs going to come back ? And black as the ace of spades ?

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    3. No, it peaked in the 1970s.

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      1. No it peaked in the 1950s it was horrific then the priests had their back to the people, demanded money, damned everyone to Hell, raped children, encouraged nuns to abuse children everything was terrible

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  12. Presumably, the picture of the preposterous buskins and sandals are courtesy of old Mother Burke’s “closet”.

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    1. Don’t worry the majority of bishops and cardinals do not wear them and have absolutely no interest in formality, rubrics or tradition so relax and enjoy the New Mass and the New Pentecost how does it go ” and the response to the psalm is…” ” Lord in your mercy ( pause) hear our prayer” ” This is Jesus this is the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world” no buskins, no cassocks, no Archbishop McQuaid, no Cardinal Burke just all the things you love in almost every Catholic church in the world, no Latin, no back to the people, no altar boys etc that all went out 50 years ago so don’t worry you are in the right and in the majority!

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      1. Just silver haired coffin dodging old biddies in my parish, whose children are lapsed and whose grandchildren are unbaptised. That’s some “New Pentecost”.

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  13. A different subject. In the Irish News today an article mentioned a policeman who was on the scene at the Narrow Water bombing in 1979 and who later became a priest. Does anyone know his name?

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    1. MournemanMichael 27th Aug 2019 — 7:05 pm

      For lack of facility to reply directly to Anon@ 6:36, may I just say here that indeed I do recognise and respect the care and commitment of those priests who by their beliefs and pastoral activities have remained true to the altruistic vocation which initially drew them to priesthood. Anybody who has followed this blog for some time will know that I have commented like this several times in the past. However I have no automatic respect for the farrago of religious practices clerics profess and regard it as misguided hocus pocus.
      MMM
      PS This randomised inability to reply directly to some comments is distinctly odd. And the “like” button option seems very rarely used. Weird!

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      1. 7.05: MMM: I respect your response to my post at 6.36. Indeed I’ve thanked you before for your honesty, fairness and balance. There are times recently when you seemed hatefully anti clerical. However, I accept your criticisms of the corruption of clericalism and culture which surrounds priesthood. I would never expect any person to be blind and continue as if nothing wrong, criminal or corrupting ever happened or is currently happening in the institutional Church. You rightly acknowledge the idealism of many clerics and I appreciate that. Though I disagree with some of your analysis, generally I appreciate the cogency of your arguments which mostly stay on the issue rather than the horrible ad hominem vitriol and chilling hatred that attaches to some contributors. You are most persuasive when you don’t stray into trading insults and far surpass any analysis of Magna’s type who cannot avoid the nasty and venomous laced put downs and insults!! At least you are consistent in fairness and balance.

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  14. While tittle tattle about erstwhile bishops is interesting and diverting, what is more significant is bishops who think that they can act autocratically and in almost totalitarian and fascist ways. Read this about a Jesuit Catholic High School in Indianapolis, and the silly bishop who is inflicting hardline interpretation of Catholic ethos and teaching on this school. Mind you, he may have bitten off more than he can chew, because the SJs are standing their ground. Rightly so. The pushing of hardline, ultra orthodox so called Catholic teaching by this bishop is a disgrace. Yes, he can find all sorts of documents to back up his case, and interpret them to his cause, but in reality this bishop simply does not understand the world, his parishioners, Catholics in this day and age, and above all how to deal sensitively, pastorally and compassionately with a nuanced world and people. What a twat !
    https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/brebeuf-athletes-excluded-some-catholic-events-jesuits-appeal-decree

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    1. Zzz not the trawling the net looking to be outraged by one solitary traditional Catholic teaching or practice that has somehow survived , don’t worry its mainly all long gone and you can rest assured you are in the right and everyone agrees with you the old religion was bad and needs stamping out , stay vigilant at your computer just in case an individual tries it on we don’t want to see any throw backs to the bad old days it was pure evil then as I’m sure you are old enough to remember

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    2. Anonymous at 12:29pm

      No it’s you that’s the TWAT if you think that. I’m so glad to hear a Bishop is actually promoting a Catholic ethos so unusual today when it’s usually the opposite. As for the S.J.’s enough said they stopped being Catholics years ago with a few exception’s who hopefully will keep the flame of St. Ignatius burning until the return which surely must come Please God.
      Evviva Maria!

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    3. 12.29

      Arch-hypocrite Thompson is acting tyranically and vindictively, like a spoilt brat refused his way. This is beginning to backfire on him, through parent-pupil protests.

      At the heart of the Gospel are people, not moral doctrines. And Jesus made love of neighbour paramount next to love of God.

      Thompson is everything a Christian and Catholic should never be,

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    4. MournemanMichael 27th Aug 2019 — 11:58 pm

      Thank you A@10:55.
      Much appreciated.
      MMM

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  15. Hughie Connolly spotted in Moulin rouge Paris.

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    1. WOW if this is true its revoltin and disgustin

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      1. People, it’s only a dinner show for tourists, not a lapdancing club. I’d say he saw more shocking sights in downtown Maynooth, especially on Thursday nights.

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    2. Kicking his legs his height no doubt.

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      1. Maybe it was a doppelganger.

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      2. I thought (hoped) they broke the mould…

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  16. 10.43: MMM: What an ignorant comment. So what if priests were attending GAA matches and staying in hotels? Why refer to their need to eat like your need and mine as “filling their fat faces”? When I was a teenager our local curare was instrumental in starting hurling, foitball and basketball teams providing wonderful example, skill and opportunities. Many priests have been very committed to their local GAA clubs. What’s wrong with that, you fool? I often wonder what “good” if any, people of your ilk do for communities except complain….Why do you feel the need to be so ignorant, so dismissive, so rude against priests? I cannot comprehend your atheistic/humanist perspectives, considering you spent much time lecturing us recently about its supposed ethics of tolerance, respect and goodness towards fellow human beings. There isn’t much evidence 8f any suchbethics in your outrageous slur and insult. Somehow MMM, you disguise your intolerance and hatred towards Catholicism and ckergynvery acutely. But we’re beginning to see the TRUTH. You are basically a bigot. Now off you go to your bar stool to stuff your big fat face with whiskey!!!

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    1. Anonymous at 12:46pm

      Excellent post you got auld Maddy to a tee, especially the bit about the bar stool.
      Evviva Maria!

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  17. + Pat, I reckon there’s far more ‘tattle than tittle’ between Irish Bishops in 2019?

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    1. In most dioceses the young clergy (ie those under 70) tittle-tattle on WhatsApp groups.

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  18. Pat,
    For a few years I was a priest in a large Scottish diocese. I left having gone through the correct channels and procedures.
    I knew and worked with some great, dedicated priests. But I also encountered some of the bitchiest, jealous gossip merchants I have ever met in my journey through life. I’m now in my 60’s.

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    1. Pretty typical of gays, not just priests.

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      1. Yes of course the gays are all the same there’s a direct link between their genitals and their personalities, they are all bitchy, vicious, swishy mummies boys, they like rainbow flags, drag acts, female pop singers and are desperate to find a real straight man they can walk round IKEA with and get wed maybe adopt or have a gang of dogs instead such fun, oh and the have to do jobs like hairdresser, florist, nurse, priest, air steward , they are definitely not able to play sport, be married and have a family , be in the army , the police , be a doctor, a lawyer, oh no it’s easy to spot them a mile away those bitchy queens

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    2. Glasgow I suspect? Name and shame!

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      1. 5.22: Insuspect you stick out like a sore thumb – you have just defined yourself very clearly: all the attitudes and traits you attribute to gays are the classic psychological projections of your own features upon others. So, you are gay! But a big queenie “butch” tyie! The quintessentially girlie with ribbons. Hope you never meet a boyfriend!

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  19. MournemanMichael 27th Aug 2019 — 4:14 pm

    Is the vehemence in your comment indicative of the attitudes found in religious intolerance written about earlier on this site?
    I’m not the fool you call me Anon @ 12.46, but I can recognise one fairly easily.
    As for the “fat faced” comments: virtually every clerical photo on this blog site shows corpulent clergy, and I’ve rarely seen a non overweight RC priest over 50. Mind you it might be compensatory over eating from all the work stress?
    MMM

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    1. MMM at 4. 14: Your mask has well and truly slipped! You’re not the kind, benevolent person you lead us to imagine. Of recent times you’ve become virulently anti clerical. You are displaying very nasty traits, contrary to your definition of humanism which I thought included “good without God” idealism. You have been anything but respectful of others of a religious perspective. An observation: in all the communities where I have worked it is usual people of faith who take initiatives to uobuild their cimmunity, it is they who primarily put themselves out for fund raising for charity, parish gatherings of all kinds, they who are part of ministry groups who care for the sick, housebound, those in need, itbis they who are the carers of people who live alone, they who are members of St. Vincent de Paul, they who are part of bereavement (of all kinds) support groups. I have yet to meet humanists/atheists put themselves out for such idealism. You exemplify an undercurrent of bigotry, prejudice, intolerance and meanness of spirit. Yes, MMM, you are not the the tolerant, fair or respectful person you pretend to be. Your mask has slipped. Are you unwell.??

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    2. 4.14: MMM: You should take a k9ng break from this blog. You once contributed in a balanced, respectful way, But You have been corrupted by the Magna gene. It is quite clear that you fail abysmally to folliw your humanist ethic. You exhibit an unattractice intolerance, disrespect and condescension. Why are you so obsessed with Roman Catholic Clergy? You have quite cleary demonstrated your disdain and contempt sufficiently that at this stage you are boringly repetitive. That you now feel so free to comment about almost every aspect of a priest’s life is reflective of a very impoverished humanity. You stoop low when challenged about your atheism/humanism. The vehement stridency of your own anti clericalism is nauseating and immoral. Find something useful to do in your community apart from stuffing your thin – sorry, fat, face at your local!!

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      1. MMM, this comment is from Fr Holier-than-thou, it has all his hallmarks. Just ignore him, the balanced contributors to this blog value you and your contribution, not least for the (a)religious route you have taken. Father says that all contributions are overly critical of clergy, and unbalanced. The only comment he would actually agree with is ‘Yes, Father’.

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      2. 5.37

        Magna gene? Corrupted MMM?

        You mean…?

        You can’t mean…!

        Do you? 😕

        That I fathered MMM?😲

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      3. MournemanMichael 27th Aug 2019 — 7:45 pm

        Anon@5: I’m actually remarkably well, and regularly complimented in relation to my age. In your initial comments @5 you take issue with my anti clerical stance. Good: I’m pleased to have rattled a few clerical cages.
        To be clear, my comments are critical of regular and common clerical practices, and I have given examples of such. It is such “clericalism” I despise. I thought being opposed to clericalism was the RC flavour of the month, for certainly your Pope Francis’s criticisms of clericalism as “an illness in the church” would appear to be critical of it also. I’ve seen clericalism described (Crux by Cindy Crawford 23/8/18) as a “culture that enables abuse and insists on hiding it.”
        So Anon @5, I’ve no time for clerical self perceived “ontological specialness” nor practices colluding with this conceited perception.
        And Anon@ 5:37 you find my “anti clericalism nauseating and immoral”? Surely you are a bit confused!
        Maybe you could ask BobBella for advice?
        MMM

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  20. What is the point of this blog today?

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    1. Something different???

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      1. Bp Pat, I hope you reveal more tit-bits from the collection in due course.

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    2. It’s a small insight into how dysfunctional some leading clergy become, how influenced by the world they become and how much they can lead people including children astray from the path that Jesus invites us on.

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    3. Auld Maddy at 7:45pm

      I’d be glad to give him advice Maddy. But here’s a bit of advice for yourself, time to book into the Care Home
      you’re sounding a bit Ga! Ga!
      Evviva Maria!

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  21. Concerned@hotmale.com 27th Aug 2019 — 5:00 pm

    Why aren’t you taking my requests seriously Bishop Patrick?

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  22. Why aren’t you taking my concerns seriously Bishop Patrick?

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    1. Which concerns?

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      1. about clifton diocese

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    2. Because you’re making them up, that’s why!!!

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      1. Just take down the guy! That’s what you do best!!!!!! We don’t want liberals.

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  23. Big Jim 4-54
    Yes. Correct it was Glasgow.
    Some great guys. I was fortunate that in my two parishes the PP’s were great blokes. One was Part of the Irish Mafia but was great to us. Fellow curates in both parishes were hard workers and a good laugh.
    However, almost all the rest in the deanery were back stabbers, very jealous of other priests and gossip queens. The boss at the time TJ even told my first PP was was the Dean that he didn’t envy him his task!! Enough said.
    Did you know big Mick?

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    1. 5.39. Good old TJ! You are better out of it! They can’t find and Aux here, the front runners have all got a shady past with the boys, or in one case a female divorcee who is a lush. 7 names now discounted. At least TJ had balls and stood up for what he believed, which none of the current regime do. I know Mick well. I think you do too! Character! 60% gay here now, the rest are too old or at least keep it quiet! Scandals a plenty still. No such thing as curates these days! Hope you are finding life away better than you do in!

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  24. A good few priests cages rattled today. My wife and I were on holiday in the south recently. Decided to stop for tea in a cafe. A bit alternative, but it was only for a drink so we put up with it. In walked two young priests as bold as brass to talk with the owner, who my wife said was of the other persuasion. The three men were very friendly with each other. Pat on the back here and there, very chummy. They bought several expenses bottles of wine from places my wife and I couldnt even pronounce. All at top price. My wife said they were probably using candle box money. I could just about hear them muttering about church gossip with the owner and probably ridiculing their parishioners. We couldnt believe how they could walk casually into a packed cafe wearing their collars in this climate carrying on with the owner like that. As usual my wife also wanted to see what type of car they had. Predictably it was the latest flash Audi. What a disgrace.

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    1. 7.55

      ACTUALLY (since you raised the subject of being gay 💃), I do so adore the Rainbow Flag. I love the combination of gloriously bright colours, their linear movement, which, in the right wind, seem to want to conjoin and flow out into the world in a proud assertion of gay lov…

      What?😕

      WHAT?! 😞

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      1. I’m dim today, I was reading “of the other persuasion” as Protestant. 😳

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    2. It’s the serial liar/nut again pretending to be married, pretending he sees young priests eating and drinking EVERYWHERE. Young priests are as rare as hen’s teeth! You are a clown! 🤡 😂

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    3. Keep us posted.💑👍

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      1. I offered another Mass for you today Magna as I left my intention at home, so I had a gap. Hope that it helps improve your health, wellbeing and mental state my friend.

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    4. 5.22 you describe Magna well!

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      1. Couldn’t agree more. Magana is a wannabe Priest, camp as a row of tents and thanks be to God that his Rector and Bishop got
        rid of him. Can you imagine him being a Priest?

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    5. 6.48

      God! I’m running up a priestly bill here, aren’t I?😕

      I hope you don’t charge interest rates, too. 😨

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    6. LoL….
      Bangers and Mash is back
      with tales of the unexpected! We await the next episode from
      the traveling duo. 😂🍽

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    7. You are clearly an imposter and liar with an over imaginative mind. For those that are aware of us, including Bishop Pat, my Wife and I do not frequent Cafes or greasy spoons so you’ve let yourself down on that info . Cafes on the whole, do not serve wine. You couldn’t list three places we have frequented in the past that have been mentioned on this blog in the past so do your research properly in future as you are a terrible liar and fool. We will be dining this weekend in Donegal if you want to copy us but it is a big County.

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  25. Fly On Th Wall 27th Aug 2019 — 7:11 pm

    D ya no all of that dressie up stuff seems harmless compared to other stuff that has and is going on. I can see how this line of thought is destructive if it spends more time on the island of fantasy than the kingdom of God. The divil fek his face is a clever bugger. People are cunningly led away from God and then the poo leaves da pot hi

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    1. I am from Abroath in Scotland and went down to Blackpool for holidays 3 weeks ago with my partner. Bit of a busy gay scene, but did manage to fit Mass in. Well fan me down with a feather – a Parish near to the Centre with a hot Priest no more than 25 years old was wearing a long cassock with huge white
      collar and biretta. What a turn on! Spoke to him after Mass (which was in Latin, so I couldn’t understand a word) and it was good to see that he was clearly highly intelligent and just lovely. I am going back in September to explore further! If this is the way the Church is going, count me in!

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      1. Well Ben (not your real
        surname I suspect?). You win most hilarious post of the day. Funny! Most posts from the Jocks are rubbish. Long live 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿!
        I think that Pat’s North West of England corespondent has been on about this Priest before. Harmless I suppose! Bless her.

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      2. Bloody pervert.

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      3. Blackpool is awash with gay sex and temptations from Satan. At least you found your way to
        Mass. Hands off the Priest you pervert.

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      4. 8.21
        I know that priest. We met earlier this summer, at night, when I strayed into a rather non-descript part of Blackpool, but it may have been unprepossessing through the lack of street lights and all those heavily tatooed, beefy blokes in chains milling around.
        Anyhow, after I lit his cigarette (he had asked whether he could trouble me for a light…in Latin), we got chatting, as you do. Turned out he shares your first name, Ben, and even the initial letter of your surname.
        Rhymed with, I think, rover; it’s all a bit of a blur now.
        Never mind.
        🎵Those suumer niiiiiiiiihtssssss!🎶 😎

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      5. What a turn on a priest in a cassock in the slum that is Blackpool v classy mate but I suppose you live in a shantytown the rest of the time and seeing anyone who washes is a turn on , holiday in Blackpool twice a year and on national assistance ? Bet that priest was swooning over your tattoos , obesity and whiskey breath at the rail must have been like the Thorns Birds for him

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    2. Good night hi fly.
      Begorra fly is the divil still on the books.
      No truer word hi fly. The poo pot is overflowing like never before.
      It’s creating a hell of a stink.
      Night night fly hi.

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  26. 5.17 it’s called satire get a grip Grandad and drop the old time anti gay language ‘butch’ ? Is it time for Round the Horne ? ‘ Hope you don’t meet a boyfriend ?’ Hahaha that’s the funniest thing ever!

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  27. Mullingar Martin 27th Aug 2019 — 8:24 pm

    To Your Mate M at 6.48
    “I left my intention at home……” Really? Doesn’t inspire confidence, or competence, that your god, or whoever you “offer” your Mass to doesn’t already know, or can’t work out “the intention!”
    Aw gwan, gwan, gwan: shurely yer pulling our legs now?

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    1. Mullingar Martin. Hi. Sorry no! I did honestly leave my book behind, but I will catch up again tomorrow. God would have known, but I like to mention them by name during my Mass if possible. My memory for these things isn’t as sharp as it used to be!

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  28. Magna Carta's Mum 27th Aug 2019 — 9:00 pm

    Magna darling, I was wondering why your new underpants were in such vibrant stripes and now I know! Unfortunately, (mummy searched the exact colours online) you’ve picked the asexual pride flag. Another disappointment!

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    1. Drat, dearest!

      Can we return them used?😕

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    2. Mumsy Carta is colour blind. Those “vibrant stripes” are the result of Magsy Wagsy’s indifferent hygiene.

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      1. 10.32
        Magna will have you know that he wipes AND washes.
        Why, one could eat one’s dinner off it! 😋

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  29. 9.06 – Arbroath is hardly shantytown! I’m not on benefits and prefer vodka cocktails to a wee dram. I’m not overweight either sweet cheeks! Find me on grinder where I am ‘Arbroath XXL’ if you are wanting to see my picture. I’m 32 and not bad!

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  30. 9.20

    Er (feet shuffling, head bowed, cheeks…facial…reddened), does your partner know you’re on Grindr?😲

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  31. Mullingar Martin 27th Aug 2019 — 10:05 pm

    “……not as sharp as you used to be?”
    ‘Nuf said!
    Martin

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  32. 6.52: …..And you’re the same old fart that keeps popping up like a clown to say nothing relevant, meaningful or wirthwhile apart from making reference to a ‘holier than thou’ cleric! Utterly inane contributions. Find some imagination and originality or go back to college….

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    1. Hit the nail on the head, Fr Patronising Git.

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