ANOTHER WORNESH SEMINARIAN SPEAKS OUT!

Dear Bishop Pat.

Please could you also post my story.

I am 43 years old, I’ve been a teacher and rugby coach/ player for 20+ years.

I was also a Clifton seminarian.

I was thrown out of Wonersh at the Crisim mass 2018. The Bishop told me that the Rector didn’t want me because I was disruptive.

I received no support after my expulsion.

Here is what happened. A younger seminarian asked me what he should do if he felt bullied and potentially groomed. I advised him to report this to his tutor. I also told staff. His tutor rightly recorded events, but no intervention by staff was implemented.

We pushed the complaint to get a resolution and attended a meeting with the rector. I only went to support the younger chap who was suffering anxiety from the bullying behaviour which I and others had witnessed.

I informed my spiritual director and personal tutor whom I had excellent relationships with. I never saw them again ! FR Tyrnon disappeared, we were told he broke his back. 18 months ago, still no sign or word from him!!!

The rector eventually and seemingly carried out an investigation into the reported claim of sexual harrasment and bullying type behaviour.

This investigation didn’t include all staff and other student witnesses. It seemed biased and cheery picked staff were involved. My opinion is that it was a farce investigation and simply paid lip service to safeguarding.

Evidence of text messages, recordings and witness accounts were not even considered.

The younger seminarian was advised by his family/ Deacon in the parish to leave for his own safety.

The 3 men that had been investigated had somehow managed to get in the clear. I told a friend that I didn’t believe that, because I had spoken with them and listened to their boasting and derogatory comments about others. They boasted that they were close to the rector and advised the rector on the suitability of fellow seminarians for the priesthood. This boasting was also written in email, they bragged that they told him, certain men should not even be in the seminary. They claimed the rector praised their discernment. My friend naviely told the rector he had gotten the investigation wrong and should hear what I had to say.

That now made me a target.

I was exspelled for bring disruptive. I admit I questioned this investigation with my friend. Possibly wrong of me to do so, or was it!?

The night before the Chrism Mass the rector had a meeting with Me. I asked why he didn’t look at all evidence or speak to all witnesses. As usual he used aggression and brow beating. I apologised for speaking to my friend and questioning his discerning investigation. Ultimately I was hoping to get out of the hot seat and continue my journey to priesthood. After calming down he told me that if I wanted to continue I could and we could put this behind us. I agreed.

The next day at the Chrism Mass the Bishop exspelled me saying the Rector didn’t want me !

I returned to pack my belongings and decided to say goodbye to all and leave on good terms. All the seminarians helped pack my car with as much joy as possible and gave me a round of applause. I was popular with the men and most were my friends. I went to see the rector to say goodbye out of good manners.

He screamed and shouted at me saying all hell had broken loose and that “this situation must stop now and that it’s not true.”

I left quite shook up.

At a later date I asked if I could complete my exams. The priest incharge of the academics, a good man, a man respected by the students agreed and tried to accommodate me else where as the rector was refusing my entry to the building. Was I a criminal ? Why was I not allowed into the building !

By now I was becoming quite unwell. I had been thrown out with no support, emotionally, financially or spiritually. I was in effective homeless and broken. I asked to collect my remaining belongings, but was told a date and time I couldn’t make and that I needed to be in the back car park as under no circumstances was I allowed in the building !

I could say much much more.. there is evidence to support the bullying/grooming that went on but I assume you get the picture.

What happened shocked me, and I’ve taken a while to recover.

With support from some excellent priests, some family and friends and my counsellor I’ve bounced back.

My life goes on, my faith deepened and the reality has sunk in.

I am trying to be a Christian. I therefore want those at wonersh, the Bishop, vicar general and vocation director to know that I forgive them. Truly I do, it’s taken a while and alot of prayer but I do. Christ told us, to forgive and at the time of writing this, the gospel of the day is our lord’s prayer.

However, I could just get on with my life, but I also believe a Christian has the duty of speaking the truth.

Therefore to the hierarchy of wonersh. I may forgive you, but I will speak this truth when and where I am asked. Starting here.

Paul

PS: I also wrote to papal nuncio to register this abuse which received no reply .

PAT SAYS,

Dear Paul,

I’m very sorry for what you have suffered at the hands of seminaries, priests, bishops and paypal nuncio 😥

There is no excuse for what you suffered.

But there is an explanation. You were dealing with men who had no faith, prayer, conscience.

The Anti Christ is not an individual.

The Anti Christ is the Roman Catholic Institution.

I know how hurt you are. But you really are better away from them. They would have ruined your soul.

If you still feel you have a vocation feel free to discuss it with me.

Pat.

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AT THE REQUEST OF THE SEMINARIAN IN QUESTION, AND AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGEMENT, I HAVE REMOVED THE PREVIOUS BLOG ABOUR WONERSH.

THE SEMINARIAN IS BEING SUBJECTED TO HARRASSMENT AND HATE MAIL.

IF YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH MANY MEMBERS OF THE RCC WILL ATTACK YOU.

143 thoughts on “ANOTHER WORNESH SEMINARIAN SPEAKS OUT!

  1. Thank you Bishop Pat for publishing my story. would it be possible to apply to study at the oratory for priesthood?

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    1. Absolutely. Let’s talk.

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    2. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

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    3. Dear Pat.
      I didn’t ask to come and study with you. If anyone impersonates me can you only publish if they use their email address. Thank you for your kindness though Pat. Regards. Paul

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      1. 1:02pm, imposter! Away with you Satan!

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      2. Good Man of Faith 11th Oct 2019 — 3:21 pm

        1:02pm whose this? away with you wornesh seminarians! the devil has infiltrated you all !

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      3. maybe you need an exorcism @1:02. I cast you out Satan and all your evil powers. the power of christ compels you

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      4. how dare you ask that question. Pat does not give out anyones information or sources!

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    4. Jessica Fletcher 11th Oct 2019 — 6:03 pm

      ‘I was thrown out of Wonersh at the Crisim mass 2018. The Bishop told me that the Rector didn’t want me because I was disruptive’

      case closed

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      1. I disagree. Miscarriage of justice.

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      2. Jessica, the points are clear I thought.
        The night before his meeting with the Bishop the Rector agreed he could stay. Duplicity

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      3. Jessica Fletcher 11th Oct 2019 — 6:50 pm

        you’re right there, Bob! and the next day the Rector changed his mind. it does happen 🙂

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    5. I thought I should clarify, to avoid conclusion. When I was dismissed my grant was immediately stopped. I told the diocese I had no money and they did then give me two months of the grant. Approximately £400 which didn’t go far. I received no emotional or spiritual support.

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  2. A credit to you Sir for standing by this young man who was subjected to this despicable behaviour

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    1. Yes, well done, Paul. Good man!

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  3. The question remains what is being done by the Bishop of Clifton, the new Archbishop of Southwark, the trustees of Wonersh and so on? The story must run and run especially as the identities of virtually all the players are now in the open. What stands out is the inadequacy of safeguarding within the Church. In any other comparable workplace – teaching for example – employees have back-up from unions and professional associations; students too have support bodies. In the Church however you are horribly isolated unless you ingratiate yourself with the right clique. Furthermore those who get through the system for all the wrong reasons are entrusted with pastoral care for which they are manifestly unfit. There is another horrific historic Scottish abuse scandal hitting the headlines. For too many this is what the Church really looks like, and it cannot be covered up by Newman’s canonisation which is nicely distracting the hierarchy right now.

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    1. Absolutely correct at 10:52pm.

      Buckley’s crazy, over the top “Antichrist” nonsense aside, have these people learnt NOTHING since McCarrick’s abuse of seminarians???

      Seminarians could be classed as vulnerable adults given the balance of power these seminary authorities have over them.

      Why are dysfunctional, creepy, prurient, aggressive and domineering men given authority over seminarians???

      Seminary authorities, given what we are hearing from Maynooth and now Wonersh, are either bullies, control freaks, or sexually deviant – or a combo of these “qualities”!! Sociopaths in charge of formation?? 😳

      And then there is the danger from some fellow seminarians of sexual assault, abuse and bullying?

      The rector of Wonersh sounds like a dangerous nutcase. And the bishop of Clifton clearly has a whole bunch of issues himself to say the least.

      The whole system needs scrubbed out and redrawn from scratch!

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    2. If you ask most Catholics in this country about Newman they will just shrug their shoulders and wonder why he is being held up to as as a model ? He may speak to the Oratorians and their rather odd clientele that they attract – a selection of the mad, the neurotic, the traditionalist, the swivel eyed loons of the Catholic Church. But to the rest of us, Newman does not really speak. I’d say he doesn’t say much to the bishops who have gone to Rome to witness his canonisation. He’s an irrelevance.
      We should be concentrating on things that matter here in our Church. We should be thinking about ways of making our Churchess welcoming, inclusive and loving places that focus on the heart of people, rather than judging people and viewing everything through the sexual and genital prism. We should be concentrating on the structures of our Church, so that we move away from a clericalist, priest dominated Church – which increasingly is falling apart if only because our Church can’t even provide us with priests any more – and look at a Church that has a priesthood that is wide and varied in terms of gender, sexuality, ability, relationships etc. which means married, diverse, and male and female priesthood.
      It probably won’t happen in my life time. But then I’m not expecting the Church to survive much longer in its present form. Look at the tectonic changes that have happened in Ireland in the last 30 years, and less. The Church there is increasingly irrelevant, and Ireland has found a new secular, liberal, democratic and European culture which has largely thrown off the shackles of the Roman Catholic Church and is all the better for it. Here in the UK, for so many, including Catholics, the Church is becoming an irrelevance to their lives, in large part because it is seen to be so rotten and dysfunctional – clerical sexual abuse, conniving and coverup bishops etc – and so out of step with the reality of their lives. Both in Ireland and the UK, bishops react to this by saying that it is good that the Church is being reduced to a “pure’ residue, but that is only a way of saving face, and the reality is that the Church is failing its people by retreating in to an odd, isolationist corner which reaches out to hardly anybody and fails to minister to the majority.
      Newman isn’t going to bring us a Catholic Spring, except for the Oratorians and their followers.

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      1. How old are you? Retired perhaps?

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  4. its all kicking off

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    1. it sure is!

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  5. Wormesh is only the tip of the iceberg. Priests and seminarians or former seminarians need
    to speak out and speak the truth, otherwise this culture of abusiveness will continue. It’s got nothing
    to do with Jesus Christ, the Gospel, or discipleship, but everything to do with power, control and abuse.

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  6. Interesting,
    From my account of what happened to you is somewhat different.
    Plus, you freely gave some of your belongings to us………
    For those of us still at wonersh, please stop making life more difficult!
    The world is full of problems, yes. They is right way to fix them. Here isn’t the place.
    We will prayer for you,
    Yours,
    Wonersh seminarian.

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    1. Don’t believe everything you hear in that place! If it is difficult get out before it is too late.

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    2. I have heard that Paul disrespected the rector by storming out of his conference. The truth of the matter is that he was having an attack of atrial fibrillation & needed to get air. Spin it whichever way you choose!

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      1. BY EMAIL

        When Paul gave the Rector a doctor’s note saying he needed rest after a cardio eversion for AF. The rector apparently screamed at him. “How long will this go on for?”

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    3. This account is the truth. How can you know a different account unless you were me?
      My belongings! There is some confusion there. The night I left I gave something’s away to you guys. Joe also dropped off items I remembered I had left to me. But!! As I unpacked I realised I was missing many items. Thus I asked to collect them, this request was frustrated and my entry refused. With regards to making things difficult for remaining students that is not my intention. I am merely pointing out the truth and that the truth can not be overcome. I am prepared to speak this truth anywhere required, be it an inquiry or a court of law and will do so for the good of our Church and future seminarians and their families.

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      1. There are two sides to every story Paulo. Be careful or I might say a thing or two

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      2. Clerical intimidation!

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      3. 9:28 get behind me satan. away with you, you will not take this blog. away, away, away!

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  7. Paul you are acerdit to the faith and to the church.
    A true Christian.

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    1. acerdit? what’s that

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  8. Paypal nuncio! So funny, Bp Pat.

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  9. It is no surprise me that these stories, and similar, keep cropping up concerning English seminaries.
    What do you suspect when you continue to use a seminary system that is not fit for purpose, and continues to put young men in a situation that was designed for other times ? We put our priests of the future in to Puginesque Neo Gothic buildings, isolated from the rest of the world, almost entirely male in character, living a semi-monastic / boarding school existence, with amateur and half hearted emphasis on a large aspect of the human condition, namely their emotional, psychological and mental, as well as sexual, being. And we expect that this dysfunctional, discredited, system will produce healthy, balanced and integrated men who will be good and holy priests ? Of course it doesn’t !
    Instead, it produces the kind of nonsense we have been listening to, and continues to instil an elitist, entitled and exalted clericalism which is damaging for the individuals themselves, and damaging for the church in general.
    The stories we have been hearing about bullying, harassment, particularism, favouritism and sexual antics, are indicative of a seminary system that is failing and damaging. In part this is because the quality, professionalism and experience of many of those who are supposed to be the leaders and teachers in these seminaries is sadly lacking, and no surprise in that the pool from which they are chosen is a diminishing and discredited one. The people who are supposed to be the leaders and teachers evidently have issues themselves, and perhaps the seminary is the last refuge used by bishops to house people who really can’t function in the parish world.
    I would also question the quality of education that goes on in these places. The emphasis seems to be on on dogmatic theology and history. with a smattering of moral theology, mostly outdated, thrown in for good measure.
    So, a mix of questionable quality and experience, wrong culture, and a dysfunctional clerical environment is, not unsurprisingly, going to produce the stories we have heard. And worse, it is going to produce inadequate, badly trained and ill suited priests of the future who are going to be problems to themselves and to the church.
    Have we learned nothing ?

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    1. “… dysfunctional, discredited, system”
      The situation is compounded by deeply dysfunctional men.

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  10. This kind of behaviour and worse has gone on in Irish seminarys

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  11. Is it only seminarians of Clifton having problems at Wonersh? What about Southwark students?

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    1. I agree that the Bishop of Clifton’s role in all this needs looking at. His dereliction of a duty of care recurs again and again. I’m no longer surprised having heard of the family of a friend of mine who along with other life-long parishioners repeatedly expressed their concern about the behaviour of a recently appointed parish priest from Africa particularly regarding financial matters. The Bishop visited, smiled and left declaring all was well. Again this is what passes for oversight in the Catholic Church: there is no objective impartial investigation of impropriety, sexual, financial or otherwise, unless forced on the Church by an outside body – and then you see the clergy squirm!

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    2. Indeed. What about the Italian speaking Seminarian X cited by Lawrence as one of his main abusers? Is he also an ex cabin boy or is that somebody else. So many of these appalling characters associated with Wonersh that it is hard to keep up, but there is a moral obligation to press on with this as it is the malaise of the Church. What would our own dear Cardinal Newman have thought of so-called divines not speaking to each other and generally behaving as little queens?

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      1. Look no further than to A&B and you’ll find X the cabin boy including the answer to your question.

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  12. Well done Paul for doing the right thing.
    However…
    Seriously folks, this is 2019, in the era of the Internet can anyone seriously be entering (de)formation in the Catholic churcb and be surprised when they are treated like shit?
    I will acknowledge that the ability the church has to persuade people that it is a respectable religious institution is formidable and if they patented the techniques would be loaded. But we also know for a fact from the glimpses that are let out-
    1. The Catholic church has a looong history of hiding criminal behaviour by its clergy
    2. Its clergy are otherwise treated very badly with none of the legal protection you would get in a job
    3. Despite holding a strict public opinion on sexual behaviour this is not followed by a huge proportion of its clergy
    4. Accounts of bad treatment in seminaries are now public.
    5. Accounts of the same treatment in religious life (I would highlight the Beyond the Pines site about Collegeville and Tom’s blog about Farnborough) are also now public.
    Come on, guys, you wouldn’t expect good service in a restaurant with consistently bad reviews….

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    1. Presumably the A & B priest used to be an air steward? To call him a “cabin boy” suggests a rather unwholesome homo-erotic connotation, which cannot be considering he successfully passed Canon Coyle’s Human Formation Programme on how not to give the impression of being a homosexual. Newman himself might have learned something from the Rector of Wonersh, and thus avoided any innuendo about his wish to be buried together with his special friend. Curious how Canon Haggerty when himself a student at Wonersh chose to carry on wearing army fatigues under the sadly mistaken understanding that such Saturday night gear would give the impression that he wasn’t like the rest of them.

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      1. Haggerty was a student at the VEC, not Wonersh.

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      2. Mr X aka cabin boy is an A&B seminarian, not a priest.

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  13. Well written leaves Rover the altarboys account in the shade.

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    1. You are of course correct @1:26 pm. Haggerty’s dress sense in combat gear was ascribed to him by an earlier poster, so presumably then refers to when he took over as Rector of Wonersh. It would fit the assumption at the time that he had been sent there to impart a more masculine heterosexual image. Actually he was and presumably is a decent bloke and thoughtful priest, so hardly surprising that he cleared off from the priesthood in the end, and his mandate to straighten out the place ended in failure.

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      1. 3:36 A more masculine heterosexual image. Pathetic. Are they a bunch of namby pambys or what ?

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  14. Pat, my source or Wormesh has just contacted me to tell me that there is a almost identical Cafe Bum Bum and Oak scandal brewing there. They are also financial abuse victims.

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  15. Gayenooth, Wormesh, …..next!

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    1. Well in the 90s Oscott was known as Tosspots or more frequently, the dating agency

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  16. Great to see some thoughtful comments here today rather than abusive one-liners. The response from a current Wonersh seminarian was predictably frankly pathetic: don’t stick your nose in our affairs even though we are being funded for supposedly a life of service to the community.

    As for Newman, I entirely agree. Few know what he stood for and it is hard to see what that was substantially. When I was a student he was said to have anticipated Vatican 2, but today he is the preserve of the Oratorians who oppose everything Vatican 2 stood for. Why did the former Provost of the Oxford Oratory leave so hastily and before the Oratorians’ big day?

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    1. Don’t be rude about the Oratorians, such manly really Catholic priests are a treasure.

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    2. I assume that you are referencing only the English Oratorians. The late Sacerdote told me that the Roman Oratorians were quite perplexed about the doings of their English colleagues and their desire for all things Trentish. I’ve only encountered the Italian Missal Of Paul VI in their church at Rome.

      It’s true that I’ve seen them walking through the area surrounding the Chiesa Nuova in their robes, but they don’t seem affectatious like the FSSP or the Blue Boys, and their habits seem rough and ready like Greek village priests.

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  17. Catholic Paramedic 11th Oct 2019 — 10:50 am

    To Anonymous 11th Oct 9:15am

    I truly suggest your get facts correct. Atrial Fibraliation is a CARDIAC ARREST. This I know because I AM A PARAMEDIC. You wouldnt even be conscious let alone be able to shout etc at another person. And getting air wont help. With out medical intervention you would be DEAD!!!!!
    So please be nice person and check what you say before you put it in the public eye.

    Sorry to go off topic but I just hate the public getting misinformed by idiots.

    As for wonnersh people STOP hiding and admit your all bullies every last one of you. And your liars.

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    1. I have AF. It is NOT a cardiac arrest. It is heart rhythmic problem regulated generally by daily meds.

      In an AF crisis the drug amaorodone is administered to put the heart back into rhythm.

      I cannot believe you could be ignorant of this and be a paramedic.

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      1. Well obviously this person is not a paramedic lol. In fact a simple Internet check would have shown that you are right Pat:
        https://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Atrial-fibrillation/
        Please will 10:50 let us know what ambulance service he supposedly works for and if I ever have heart trouble I’ll pop off to Larne for help instead. Obviously the bit of his moniker which is true is the Catholic bit – that’s right, that international criminal organisation which has the same attitude to truth as it does to holiness.

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    2. poppycock! Hundreds and thousands of people are walking around with atrial fibrillation, If you were a trained medical professional you would know the difference between ventricular and atrial fibrillation. Are you a nice person and if you have got the facts wrong are you prepared to recant?

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      1. One million people in the UK have AF.

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      2. Don’t go poppycocking @ 11:24 am.
        There’s been more than enough of it. He might be an ill informed medic.

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    3. It will come out in the wash 23rd Oct 2019 — 6:24 am

      Gustavo you were at the centre of all of this. Your guilt must be unbearable .. how do you have the rector in your pocket as you claim ? Try to contain your anger.

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  18. Some people do need to rest after cardio conversion. I only had it once and drove myself home

    Experienced patients like myself are allowed to self administer amararodone and very rarely, if ever, have to attend A&E

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  19. The same question might be asked regarding the Rector’s self-professed “emotional problems”. How long will this go on for?

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  20. Pat I have sent comments about wonersh and the key characters and those have not been posted. Are you trying to get all out in the open or hiding some things ????

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    1. I am trying to be careful about not accusing individuals of things I have no proof or credible accusations of.

      I can assure you I have no interest in hiding anything. Quite the opposite in fact.

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  21. I am a former seminarian for a UK diocese as well as being a cradle catholic.
    The healthiest thing I have ever done is leave the seminary and then eventually the Roman Catholic Church.
    I look at this blog occasionally out of morbid curiosity and the posts and the comments amaze me.
    I need to ask what would it be like for you all if you if you forgot about the church and moved focus and energy to other pursuits?
    I am relatively agnostic these days however I believe that the concept of God has long left the Catholic Church behind.

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  22. My favourite Newman story is that on one of the many occasions he was told that Fr Faber was dying he said words to the effect of ‘Again! How many times is Faber a-dying!’

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    1. And when Faber did die Newman flung himself on the corpse inconsolate.

      They were buried together.

      They obviously lived each other.

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      1. I agree that Faber was pretty fruity himself, but are you not confusing him here with Ambrose St John who was Newman’s true friend of his heart ( best leave it at that ! ).

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      2. Wasn’t it one of his other boyfriends, sorry, chaste friends, he was buried with?
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/2435907/Vatican-orders-Cardinal-Newman-to-be-parted-from-priest-friend-in-shared-grave.html
        And I always thought there was an ongoing queeny bitch fest between him and Faber, and hence between Birmingham and Brompton?

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      3. Indeed. I stand corrected. It was Ambrose St. John.

        Faber was the famous hymn writer.

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  23. Hi Pat. What do Priests in An Irish Diocese do all day apart from celebrate Mass. I am just curious.

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    1. 12.26: Today so far: have visited 2 schools re: programmes for first communion and confirmation: met with parish teams who run the programmes: visited 4 housebound and very sick elderly: this evening I meet 2 families to prepare funerals for loved ones for Monday morning. Tomorrow I have 9.30 mass a wedding at 1pm and vigil mass for Sunday at 6pm. I am on my own and sometimes I’m lucky to get the help of an 84 year old retired P.P. This is a recurring weekly pattern as there is a huge elderly population in parish. So, Mr. smarty boots, would you like to come and clean my house and cook??? Look past this blog for the true reality in parishes. I trust in God for strength for each day.

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    2. Well, there’s all the public toilets for a start.

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  24. Pat have you been warned off by the cardinal. You need to take these on front and centre like the old days of Maynooth where you were not Afraid if anyone

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    1. I have had no contact with anybody. The cardinal has no jurisdiction over me and would be told where to go!

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      1. 12.49: And you Buckkey should be told in straight language to go f**k off. You queen of queens. You bitch of all bitches. You, behaving like an auld biddy behind lace curtains, wearing frilly albs and shirts and playing god with everyone’s life. Go and have a good look in the mirror of your soul.

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      2. Goodness 4:33 is terribly upset, and at half an hour before gin! What’s the matter Father, frightened your own little secret will come out?

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  25. Have you investigated Fr Rory in London yet!?? Come on Pat

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    1. do you think Pat is some kind of wizard? if you want to know about Rory Coyle go and ask him yourself! be a man/woman!

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      1. Ok Rory il see you later

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    2. 4:33pm
      Another charmer!

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  26. Pat, have you made contact with the seminary and asked for a reply, as is their right.

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    1. If they wish, I will them the fullest right of reply.

      Both the staff and seminarians watch this blog.

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  27. Something strange Pat you seem not want to investigate Westminster? Have you been warned off Pat. In the past you published everything even if you had to change a name. It seems now you don’t publish anything from west minister are you afraid of the cardinal???

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    1. 😥 Yes. I scared stiff of Elsie and Carmel.

      I am very interested and will publish anything I get on Westminster.

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  28. Giovanni was a nice Italian boy in wonersh is he still there? I believe he was training for Southwark diocese, he lent me some shampoo when I stayed there …..

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    1. Ah yes … the communal showers. And he speaks Italian? Well …. we’ll better not jump to conclusions

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      1. Yes Giovanni will be ordained deacon this winter and priest at summer. Lovely Italian boy.

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    2. Did Giovanni have a room at Wonersh?

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      1. 5:28
        There’s the problem. Far too many boys have been ordained.

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      2. He has, actually Fr Mark Higgin’s old room, now a priest causing troubles in Southwark parishes.

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      3. “Lovely Italian boy” ?Sounds a somewhat loaded accolade!

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  29. What was the name of the seminarian who was a teacher. He wore glasses and had curly hair.

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    1. Is that paul brite?

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  30. Is the Peruvian seminarian with the eye still there?

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    1. West minister diocese

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      1. Dirty boi

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  31. Someone said Paul be careful.
    Is that a threat ? Which reinforces my account of how This played out.
    I do not fear you anymore. Hence I’ve used my name, which you haven’t! Let me stress something again.
    I do not fear you.
    My Name is Paul Brite, I am from Clifton, I was emotionally and spiritually abused and exspelled from St John’s Seminary, wonersh. Because I stood up for one of the little ones. If I could go back in time I would 100% do exactly the same again, even though it cost me greatly. It was the right path.
    I will tell this truth in all corners of the universe if needed. How the younger guy was treated after harassment is a outrage and every Catholic needs to know that this is what can happen.
    The beauty of having dyslexia is that the university provides aids to record lectures. Be sure of your recall of events as the evidence will expose any lies!

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    1. Paul, I can’t find any record of you at all. nothing on social media, or the diocesan/seminary page. no internet search says anything about you in Clifton diocese. how old are you?

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      1. in his forties. he found fault with everything in seminary. just one of those people! he found it difficult to integrate with younger seminarians and he was always incredibly serious and overtly pious. in the real world he would never have made it as a cleric. I wish him well.

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  32. Well well well,
    All these stories are just one sided. How do we know if the expelled aren’t just teaming up on some folly revenge plan?
    Perhaps those remaining have a stance,

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    1. This dangerous attitude is exactly what the majority of seminarians expelled from seminary are met with from those who are not just blind but don’t wanna see all the abuse and bullying going behind the seminary walls. In their eyes bishops, priests, rectors and those students still in seminary formations are holy, perfect and do any wrong. “You were expelled therefor you must have done something!”
      In the majority of cases the church meet the victims with victim blaiming. “So you were raped by a priest? Sorry to hear that, he shouldn’t have done so. But you most likely tempted him. He is sn innocent priest, you are a seminarian tempting him, you are to be blamed! And you tried to run away from the abuse without the abusing priest’s permision? Disobidience! You must obey the priest!”
      A few stories have came from Wonersh the last couple of weeks, and I’m sure this is just the beginning; both when it comes to horror – but true – stories from ex-seminarians as well as seminarians at Wonersh.

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      1. This dangerous attitude is exactly what the majority of seminarians expelled from seminary are met with from those who are not just blind but don’t wanna see all the abuse and bullying going on behind the seminary walls. In their eyes bishops, priests, rectors and those students still in seminary formations are holy, perfect and don’t do any wrong. “You were expelled therefor you must have done something!”
        In the majority of cases the church meet the victims with victim blaiming. “So you were raped by a priest? Sorry to hear that, he shouldn’t have done so. But you most likely tempted him. He is an innocent priest, you are a seminarian tempting him, you are to be blamed! And you tried to run away from the abuse without the abusing priest’s permision? Disobidience! You must obey the priest!”
        A few stories have came out from Wonersh the last couple of weeks, and I’m sure this is just the beginning; both when it comes to horror – but true – stories from ex-seminarians as well as seminarians at Wonersh.

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      2. ‘Holy, perfect and do no wrong. To quote Jim Royle of ‘The Royle Family’…’my arse’!

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  33. What do we know about Fr Davies?
    East anglia
    Oscott
    Norbintine
    Special connection with a certain msgnr in Cambridge?

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    1. Hartnett connection and the public lavs there is a story PAt

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  34. You can expect to get grief Paul but be strong. Remember the resurrection! I know that you are a most honest and genuine person and many of the clergy in Clifton diocese support you.
    “Who are my mother, my sister, my brother? He who hears the word of God and puts it into practice.”
    “There is no greater love than to lay down your life for your brother.”
    The high priests crucified Christ. Lets pray that these guys repent and convert and obtain God’s mercy.
    God Bless you.

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    1. Jessica Fletcher 11th Oct 2019 — 6:48 pm

      ‘Remember the resurrection!’
      ‘There is no greater love than to lay down your life for your brother’
      ‘high priests crucified Christ’

      You sound very morbid. has someone been murdered?

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      1. Do you read the bible Jessica? The destruction of vocations is allegorically crucifixion.

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      2. Jessica Flecture !!!
        Welcome to the blog …
        Brian Coyle & Jerri Ewing. Rector & Vice Rector.

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  35. 6.30PM poster, Fr Mark Higgins now ministering as chaplain to a major hospital in London. I hear he is giving wonderful pastoral care to patients and staff. I am a priest of Southwark who has been negative in the past to this man. Thank you Fr Mark for all you are doing.

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  36. Fr Mark csused a lot of troubles, harm and frustration when he was working in parishes, so that’s wonderful to hear if it’s true that hospital chaplaincy is his true vocation and that he gives good pastoral care to patients snd staff.

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    1. Father Mark Higgins … Faith movement … ordained recently yet says the Old Mass … Latin …. lace … caused trouble in parishes…. All red flags, I’d say. And he used to inhabit what is now Giovanni’s Room ( come on ! ) so what was he like at Wonersh? Surprise us!

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      1. I’ll tell you what he was like at Wonersh: A guy that got furious and raged at people for taking a banana or an apple from the fruit bowl passed around the table. He was obsessed with it, such fruits reminded him about forbidden thoughts and should be banned from the seminary.

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  37. how come you never actively seek priests for the oratory? I’m sure you’d get a few who would be interested.

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  38. What’s the name of the seminarian in wonersh with the charismatic renewal parents ?

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    1. Maybe Joseph Gulliford, seminarian for Southwalk?

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      1. Yes that’s him. I think he is decent man. I’ve met him a few times:

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  39. Anyone remember dear Kathy Hatcher cleaner at Wonersh? Wonderful for going into your room and dusting inside the envelopes of your private mail!

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    1. She was doing her job very throughly

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  40. It’s the two toms for me tom Kent from a and b and Tom lawes from Clifton. I would love to mount either Pat

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    1. Pat, why on earth do you permit such comments as from the disgusting pervert at 10:38pm???

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      1. There the new gorgeous and co. Everyone needs some candy

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  41. +Pat, do hope you enjoyed your recent travels. This blog on Wonersh might be a little out of your grasp. Happy to help with breakdown of who is who?

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  42. I’m sure pat is very able himself

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  43. +Pat I commented a few days ago on the showers in wonersh. At the same visit I witnessed the rector undress in front of seminarians and guests in the ref. After Sunday meal he removed a black clerical bib then a white shirt to leave a vest on I thought it was very unusual for a professional

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  44. Dr pia Matthews should be ashamed of herself for not standing up for the innocent

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  45. 10:42 butt out

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  46. I can tell you for favours and information you earn protection at st John’s.
    Some just love the attention….

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  47. I want to speak out, but I am trapped. If I do I will be a target if I dont I am a fraud .
    Unfortunately the rector made me act in ways I didnt want too.
    Yes I am spineless… but I am now trying to fix my fault.
    Sorry paul,
    Hope you can forgive me for the hurt I did to you .

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  48. The 3 sister would sing to each other in the showers,
    JP use to wear a womens shower grown and walk to the shower with just that.

    X would often have tea with his puppet master.

    Funny these three, clearly the worst kept secret.

    The wicked three always together,

    Poor x all alone now his buddies boys have gone, unfortunately still makes are lives hell.

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  49. Giovanni? Is he X

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    1. Looking at their names, the only thing X and Giovanni have is both their first name starts with a “G”.

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  50. What about the big boy from Liverpool? Is he still there.
    What about the polish boy Tomas

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    1. Big boy PM is still here.
      Tomasz was ordained in July.

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  51. Who’s the bald Spanish dude?
    Very flirty, I think he is Spanish, somewhat built, nice chest on him. He said he was a trainee priest.
    Hung like a horse, didnt think priest could have relationship?
    My sister in law said that the this blog has information about St John’s, she goes to the Roman church, I dont believe in that rubbish, who needs to be a priest to dress as a girl and sleep as men?? I get the hottest priest anyway.
    Anyone know his name be helpful? He said it was tom but defo spainish and tom isn’t a spainish name.

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  52. Gustavo?

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  53. You’re talking about the now famous X and his name is not Tom but Gustavo. Originally from Argentina and has a house or condo in Ibiza but also talks alot about his Italian roots. Openly claimes to be Can. Brians golden boy and favorite. He must be very lonely here at Wonersh being the only Queen left out of the three after the two others were ordained.

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    1. Giovanni is x my friend

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      1. Either you are Gustavo or someone else here at Wonersh trying to defend him.
        Giovanni was on “Extended Pastoral Placement” and thus for most of the year not present at the seminary when the three Queens, X part of them, came to power and almost destroyed the seminarian who’s post on here was removed.

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  54. Anonymous is intrigued to note that the Wonersh Youtube video hasn’t been taken down yet. He wonders whether the account admin might possibly be one of those who has recently left, taking the credentials with him :O

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  55. The people must stand against the evil 12th Oct 2019 — 5:23 pm

    Don’t worry,
    The Church will protect them, the safeguarding team know the truth and dont care.
    They job, is to protect the bishop and his cronies.
    If they wanted to protect us, they would of protected our seminarians, how is it that we have had so many fallen? Why has Clifton felt this blow?
    The bishop isn’t defending them, the safeguarding team is protecting us.
    Seriously, some of what has happened shouldn’t be in the churches hand, it should be dealt by proper authorities.
    Pedos and abuser, harassment and groomers, those who blackmail and threaten. Sounds like it should be dealt with by trained and qualified personnel. Instead secret meetings are held and secret investigations made to hide the truth.
    Shame on you.
    Time for a change,
    If you want change, email the Clifton diocese demand for the official accounts on this.
    It’s our boys in there.
    Demand them to speak the truth.
    Email them write to them

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