POLITICIAN WANTS CATHOLIC CHURCHES TO ERECT SIGNS OUTSIDE THEIR CHURCHES WARNING THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE DANGEROUS FOR CHILDREN.

By K Thor Jensen Newsweek.

Melbourne City Council member Nic Frances Gilley has introduced a proposal to require Catholic churches to comply with the province of Victoria’s new mandatory abuse reporting laws or have signs posted outside warning parents that the houses of worship might pose a danger to children.

NIC GILLEY

The Age reports that Gilley is requesting the state “write to all churches and places of worship requesting assurances that all staff and associates will abide by the law of mandatory reporting,” and if they do not provide those assurances the state should erect appropriate signage.

In September, Victoria passed the Children Legislation Amendment Act 2019, which added religious leaders to the list of individuals who are legally mandated to report child abuse to the authorities when they learn about it. That list already included police, teachers, nurses, midwives and other occupations.

Many Catholic leaders are protesting the law because it includes abuse admitted within the space of the confessional. In July, the Vatican’s Apostolic Penitentiary released a statement pushing back against it, saying that “Any political action or legislative initiative aimed at breaking the inviolability of the sacramental seal would constitute an unacceptable offence against the (freedom of the Church).”

Gilley said it was the government’s responsibility to “clearly advise people of the risks of using such institutions.”

Councilor Gilley has a personal stake in this conversation. He was an Anglican priest for 23 years, rising to the position of executive director of the Brotherhood of St Laurence. He left the church in 2008, penning an open letter in which he revealed that he was sexually abused as a child.

Melbourne’s Lord Mayor Sally Capp supports the resolution. She told Radio 3AW “Our main aim is to make sure we have safe places, particularly for children, throughout our city.”

In August, Melbourne’s Catholic Archbishop Peter Comensoli told ABC Radio that he would choose to go to jail rather than break the “seal” of the confessional booth. He would encourage a person who confessed to child abuse to report themselves to police but would not take action on anything said inside.

Mother of two sexual assault victims Chrissie Foster had stern words for church leadership, telling The Age, “Archbishop Comensoli says quite proudly that he’d rather go to jail than break the seal of confession. He’s chosen to protect paedophiles instead of children. That’s business as usual for the church.”

Sexual assault in the church is a charged issue in Victoria. In 2018, Cardinal George Pell was convicted of five charges of sexual assault on two boys, becoming the most senior official of the church to be jailed for abuse. His conviction helped survivors push for more stringent reporting laws.
The council will vote on Gilley’s proposal Tuesday.

PATS SAYS

If the law of the land says that priests have to report sexual abuse in confession – then that’s what they have to do or go to court and jail.

The Australian law of the land operates in Australia, not RCC canon law.

It’s the church’s own fault for mishandling of clerical sexual abuse.

The Catholic Church and the term Paedophilia have now come to mean the same thing

There should also be obligatory sign posts outside Catholic seminaries saying

THIS INSTITUTION IS A SEXUAL, PHYSICAL AND MORAL DANGER TO YOUNG MEN.

The RCC is now regarded as a sexual and corruption mafia.

81 thoughts on “POLITICIAN WANTS CATHOLIC CHURCHES TO ERECT SIGNS OUTSIDE THEIR CHURCHES WARNING THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE DANGEROUS FOR CHILDREN.

  1. HURRAH FOR GILLEY’S PROPOSAL!
    Why are the Romanists so opposed to this? Can’t you guess? These Christ-betrayers are at the heart of the moral filth infecting the Roman Catholic Church.
    The more Romanists in prison for disobeying laws that protect the most vulnerable in society, the better I say.
    Who is your concern? Christ-betraying Romanists? Or innocent children?

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  2. Sensible chap. The only problem is the church isn’t safe for anyone.

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  3. And at St John’s Seminary, Wonersh, they should erect signs
    “DANGER! Enter at your own risk”
    Actually, every seminary should be forced to erect such sign.

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  4. Fr. Brian Darcy is on RTE. Pat you could have been him. Humble and and loved by Irish people. You have a Church that no one in their right mind has any interest in.
    God Bless

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    1. Ask the Passionists who live, have lived, with Darcy about his “humility” 😊

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    2. So Many Men. So Little Time. 15th Oct 2019 — 2:01 pm

      Fr DArcy is a fish! 😍

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      1. I’ve never understood why Fr Darcy didn’t follow his dream and got married.

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  5. This is where putting the interests, reputation and status of the institutional Church and clergy has led as a result of a systemic policy of cover up. Good priests, who kept their mouths shut out of loyalty to the Institution for whatever reasons, might end up in prison before too long. Safety of children is paramount. The institutional Church cannot be trusted. A sad state of affairs.

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    1. Or rather ‘good’ priests who may not have abused children themselves but in effect have facilitated it.

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      1. 10.14

        Yes, the so-called ‘good’ priests have all have facilitated child-sexual abuse, because they all put Church law above divine law.

        Be wary of the ‘holy’ men, the Romanists. Self-serving as ever, they will attempt to spin Gilley’s proposal as impending martyrdom for priests.

        It must never be forgotten that these men protected serial paedophiles among their number…and they are prepared to go on doing so in defiance of the Law. This fact (and it must be repeated, again and again) should make it easier to tolerate the imprisonment of nen who are, in reality, nothing more than paedophile protectors/enablers.

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  6. It is a sign of the times reflecting a huge seismic shift in perceptions about the Cathiolic Church. The church’s response to the abuse scandals worldwide is anything but morally good, right and acceptable. Had the Church as an institution embraced the Christ-vision of caring for the little ones and the most vulnerable, as a paramount vietue and principle, we would not be listening to requests for putting such signs on church doors and gates! And by the Christ-vision I mean a zero tolerance for any deviant abuser, report to civil authorities, an immediate laicization of perpetrators, criminal investigation where necessary, an immediate resignation of any Bishop who covered up and his ministry to be one of penance, if not a prison sentence where complicit endangerment and facilitation are proven. I say this in earnest and seriousness because such radical action may be the beginning of a rebuilding of some new Catholic Christian community. After 30 years of ministry I wonder at times why I am still in ministry. Only that I have a deep faith, a deep trust in God (often in great darkness), a belief in the essence of the gospel message and an appreciation of the opportunities given to me to make some difference to people’s lives, I would be in greater despair….Each morning I awake asking “why, Lord? why?”.. But I quickly gather myself together and wonder about the thousands whose faith, trust, self belief, personal lives have all been broken because of sexual abuse and simply pray for them. Having that horrible experience of sexual abuse as a teenager, I know something of their daily realities but it is the Church’s leadership that troubles me most, angrily with deep despair. If ever such a sign was made mandatory, I’ll come to Larne!

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    1. If by ‘come to Larne’ you mean leave the RC church and join the oratory or another denomination in Protestant Larne, what are you waiting for? In Australia it is obvious neither side will back down so those signs will be going up!
      It is also obvious that the hierarchy will take it as another opportunity to claim persecution, conveniently forgetting that as you rightly say, this is their own creation.
      You may choose to differ but I am clear that I would rather be on Gilley’s side when it comes to facing human or divine justice.

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      1. 10:29
        GOD has NO favourites.

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      2. 10.29: It was a bit tongue in cheek for me to say I’d come to Larne! I’d end up a worse cynic and descend into a deep despair were I to follow any outfit in Larne. I will seek to renew myself and the parish I work in as best as God enables me to do so…

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      3. You might be surprised at the very ordinary nice people who attend Larne

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    2. Not only has the Church brought all this upon itself, it has been pretty brutal about taking the so-called moral high ground and abusing its power when in a position to do so.

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      1. And 8:38 is revealed to be just another hand-wringer.

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      2. 10:39 God actually does have favourites – those who prevent scandalon coming to the little ones.

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  7. Hi Pat,

    ARe you my friend?

    Love from,
    Mullaney

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    1. Of course I am Mulley.

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      1. You love Mullaney, you love puck, you love trolly dolly…. do you love me?
        -George-us

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    2. 2:00
      Those who prevent scandal coming to little ones are following the gospel imperative, doing what is morally and legally right, as well as exemplifying humanity. That’s what the Lord expects, desires and wills. That doesn’t make them favourites of God. From a Christian perspective, it illustrates discipleship, to be expected of genuine followers of Jesus Christ.

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  8. No no just no

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  9. Pat what’s the news in wonersh you build us up and then leave us with questions.

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    1. What do you expect, a matinee every afternoon?

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  10. Pat, was everything sorted out between you and Father Eamon Murray of Northampton Diocese. Many people speak highly of him, yet questions keep being raised. I think people would like to be reassured as he is still in some kind of ministry though retired.

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    1. Eamon and I had a disagreement which we sorted out amicably.

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  11. I'm A Good Person, So I Am. 15th Oct 2019 — 1:15 pm

    I would prefer a hundred paedophiles to go free than to violate the sacredness of canon law by reporting them to police.
    God demands our sacrifices.

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    1. Nice touch of sarcasm … I hope!

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      1. I'm A Good Person, So I Am. 15th Oct 2019 — 2:39 pm

        I am not a sarcastic person.
        It is better that a hundred people are allowed to suffer that that one jot of the law is broken.

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  12. getting back to the topic, the depravity of the RCC in Australia, David Shoesmith MP has the right idea.

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  13. I hope that some Romanists ARE prosecuted for breaking this law and sent to prison, and it can’t happen soon enough. If it does, the Romanists will no doubt whine that they are marytrs and heroes, but the subtext will make clear the grounds for these claims: by further protecting paedophiles.
    This is a PR battle the Romanists can’t win, especially with their vile and long history of paedophile-protection.
    If the Romanists resist this law (and they have already started with that bullish remark by Comensoli, and the denouncement by the Apostolic Penitentiary), they will only institutionalise, in Australia at least, their reputation as paedophile protectors/ enablers. It makes absolutely hilarious the suggestion the other day by Cardinal Turkson that the Church needs to exit the child-sexual abuse criminality and to stop saying ‘sorry’ for its crimes.
    The problem, however, is finding out which Romanists have not divulged to police details about someone who confessed to paedophilia. How are the police to know. I think Nic Gilley is aware of this problem: he knows that the Romanists will continue to protect/enable paedophiles under the guise of respecting the so-called ‘Seal of the Confessional’, so he has decided to publicly name and shame the institutional Church for its intended law-breaking and for wilfully continuing to place children, and others, in great danger.

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  14. Magna Carta insists that Roman Catholic priests are Christ Betrayers. In that case, he will not attend Mass or receive the sacraments from them. Will he tell us how he follows Christ? It would interest others of us who are disillusioned with the Church.

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    1. Learn to meditate. Get Universalis on your iPhone. Build a decent library of good spiritual classics… Martin Laird, Thomas Merton, John of the Cross. WCCM have a great website and many small groups.

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      1. Thomas Merton took his own life, so I’ll pass, thanks.

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    2. 2.41

      Behind your post is the presumption that the sacraments are the property of the Christ-betrayers; they are not.

      The nature of the sacraments are not changed through their being administered by the Christ-betrayers.

      And your presumption that one cannot follow Christ without attending these sacraments is equally nonsensical: God is not confined to the sacramental boundaries of the Roman Catholic Church, nor is grace doled out by the Christ-betrayers, but by Christ himself. And he is everywhere.

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      1. MC is right. One can have a perfectly good relationship with God without the Sacraments.

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      2. 10:03pm
        Bullshit!

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    3. 2.41: A good question for the right honourable Lady Magna Carta. I doubt if “it” would have the courage of its convictions to not attend mass or to tell a priest to his face publicly in front of a congregation that he is a “Christ betrayer” or a “potential paedophile/ abuser or paedophile protector”. This would require real, true courage which this coward does not possess. And, were “it” to do as I envisage, I know who would be flung out of the Church first – the mad, demented, coward Magna. So, La La Carta, show the TRUE COURAGE OF YOUR CONVICTIONS and head to the nearest Church….Let us know the outcome, you nasty piece of humanity.

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      1. 4.04

        Seriously, ‘Father’?

        I’d like to think that you’re intelligent enough to have made that comment tongue in cheek, since it is stupefyingly shot through with contradictions; but I don’t think you are and that you did.

        Where to start? You doubt I have the courage not to attend Mass. Well, if you’d read my post at 4.00, without that dense red mist in front of your eyes impairing your vision, you would have remembered what I said about the availability of grace: it is not confined to the sacraments of the Roman Cathoilc Church. The Mass is simply one conduit of grace, but it isn’t the only one; nor are all of these others available only in this church. So why would I need courage not to attend Mass?

        And then there is your hypocrisy. (And boy does it reek!) You criticise me for making such remarks as ‘Christ-betrayers’ anonymously…while you express criticism of me, er, anonymously. Yes, you really do write to impress, don’t you?

        And you call me ‘coward’ for lacking the courage to tell priests (any priest) face to face, in front of their congregations, that they are Christ-betrayers, and potential child-abusers…while you fail to tell ME this face to face. I can’ tell you how impressed I am with YOUR courage.

        You’re in a glasshouse, ‘Father’, and you’ve broken many panes today with those wildly flung stones.

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      2. 4:04. An example of projected nastiness.

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      3. It does not take any courage at all not to attend Mass. You can find God through prayer.
        “There are many in the church but not with God. There are many outside the church who are with God” StAugustine.

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      4. Dear Father 4:04
        Frankly I wouldn’t go to the nearest church to do this, but I would definitely do it at yours. So when you get the balls to publish your Name and the name of your church with what masses you are celebrating this weekend I will personally pop round and do what you ask.
        But you won’t, will you? You make me sick.
        BTW good one Magna 😘

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      5. MournemanMichael 15th Oct 2019 — 7:07 pm

        An excellent comment and challenge @ 6:59. Of course he won’t respond by publishing his credentials.
        Even if I was a churchgoer, I wouldn’t want to go anywhere near his church , if indeed he is a cleric, for the vitriol in his comment at 4:04 is truly repulsive.
        MMM

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      6. 6:59 M.Carta posting anonymously. Unmistakable ‘style.’

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    4. 6.59

      👍

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      1. 7.31: How are you Magna? You seem all too willing to accept the support of the mountain mourner. Be careful with the company you keep. If you depend on this blog and its contributors for meaningful affirmation, you are deluded. Look to your own inner heart and soul. There you’ll hopefully discover your God-likeness, beauty and uniqueness, unless of course you betray all of this by your behaviour. May you resist the tempters.

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      2. Lollipop Josie 15th Oct 2019 — 9:43 pm

        7.31😉😉😉😉😉🐃🐃🐃🐃🤣🍄🤣🍄…Magna and MMM – a bromance. Imagine the fun. OMG….

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    5. 4.17

      Could you provide me with a citation for that remark by Augustine? I’ve tried to find one.

      Thanks.

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      1. MAGNA'S MUMSY..😣😣😣 15th Oct 2019 — 9:41 pm

        7.49: Has Wikipedia failed you Magna??

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    6. 8.17

      That introductory solicitation (‘How are you Magna?’) was fake, wasn’t it? It was a decent, if clichéd gambit, but fake, all the same. Cos you don’t give the proverbial how I am, do you?

      If you knew how often MMM has criticised me (and even called for my banning from this blog), you wouldn’t have posted that vacuous remark about the two of us.

      And I have indeed looked into my soul, many times, and found it wanting…for the Lord. But I have not found him in ANY of your priests.

      Hence the cynicism. (Do forgive my unvarnished honesty.)

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    7. 8.08

      Magna Carta never (I say ‘NEVER’) posts under ‘Anonymous’.

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    8. 10.03
      No bs from me. Why do you say that?

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  15. Hi Pat, I think Fr Mullaney is Bisexual now. Top and a Bottom.

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  16. At this point there is only one option left to the church, since its leaders seem to be incapable of actually dealing with the protracted image disaster formed by their own inability to manage their personnel. It is the last ditch resort of every dodgy business whose reputation is mud and account books a train wreck – REBRAND!
    Simply call it by a different name, change it legally, and everyone will be taken in and believe the bullshit about good priests and works of charity.
    Problem solved!

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  17. 4.03: Wonderful intelligence at work! Just wonderful! How many hours did you spend penning this piece of crap? The laptop analysers, critics and problem solvers – why don’t you advertise your services? You might make a fortune. I’ll be your manager.

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    1. 4:46
      I would refer you to the text of my earlier comment.
      Kind regards
      Son of God mobile phones Ltd

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  18. Meath diocese took up practically half of the Joe Duffy show today on the radio. The presenter said the station got in touch with the catholic communications office to find out if the rule is still in place not to have a eulogy at funeral. They are allowed in many dioceses. However, in Meath there appears to have been some inconsistency. Some parishes enforced the rule and some didn’t.

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    1. 4.00: To my mind Mr. Big man Magna is one of the greatest Christ-betrayers. He hasn’t an iota of self respect, little if any respect for those who disagrees with him, resorts to horrible vitriol when the truth is spoken about him, has an arrogance that’s breathtakig and demeans all before him. Try as he may, he is no icon of virtue as he would like us believe. He requested a commentator to remove the deserved mist from his eyes….!! Surely it’s time for this nasty man, Magna, to remove the gin bottles from his cupboards!! Perhaps in a more sober (self aware) moment he might actually see his true self. Magna, the TRUTH hurts you deeply.

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      1. 9.08
        (More loud laughter 😅) Well, if the truth does hurt me deeply, the pain is alleviated by hilarious posts like yours.
        Keep ’em coming. 😅

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  19. Pat, why is it that when anonymous posters post comments, they are attacked for doing so and for not revealing their (real) names, yet people like MMM and Magna want us to believe that they are upfront with their identities, to say nothing of course about their nasty, offensive, vitriol comments at times? MMM and Magna are as anonymous as all the others who post as anonymous. Clerics are not the only ones who post on this blog. Sadly, there are too many vicious comments thrown about from all sides.

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    1. Pseudonymous is the word for MMM and MC’s approach.

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      1. 8.05

        And ‘Wrong!’ is the word for your post.

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      2. Lollipop Josie 15th Oct 2019 — 9:38 pm

        8.05: Correct. They ‘re a pair of sissies, scratching each other’s backs. Neither of them give a toss about anyone, one is permanently engaged in anger and faux outrage (Magna), the other forever preaching “good without GOD” philosophy but has yet to tell us of his Mourne legacies, if any.

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    2. 7.57
      (Loud Laughter😅) When did I say that I was upfront about my identity?

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      1. 9.40: Past your bedtime Mags! And please, pray to God for a kind heart and for the gift of recognising truth about your wee self.

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      2. 9:38
        Lollipop, the biggest sucker of them all, is back!
        Cages rattled joe? Defending all things Catholic with faux outrage…
        Say your office like a good lad. Stop being abusive.

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  20. 1.57: By hand wringer you mean someone who just observes and turns the other way!! I wonder sometimes about people like you: you easily accuse others of complicity, yet in the wider society, in the face of child poverty, homelessness, poverty, inequalities, child neglect (of which there is much), white collar crime, direct privision centres (a scar on our nation), drug pushers destroying lives, what do you actually do other than identify the problems? Are you pro active in fighting for justice and equality for the marginalised? Are you involved in outreach programmes at night feeding the homeless on cold streets? Are you part of any significant charities making a real difference to those trapped in poverty? Just wondering because throwaway remarks like ‘hand wringers’ usually fall easily from the mouths of those who sit on the sidelines, which I suspect you do!!

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    1. Haha you are funny – it’s fascinating the things people say when they can’t see you and know nothing about you.
      I’m actually in Larne as we speak. You see, daddy-o, some people put their money where their mouth is instead of hand-wringing and talking about action which by their own admission they have no intention of taking.

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  21. 7.07: Look to thine own heart MMM. You post nastily at times, intolerant of Catholics mostly, smug and arrogant. But your ilk rarely see their flaws. Come down from the mountains Mourney Mike!!!

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  22. 6.59: Another big, big man bully. Coward. I’d crack you with one chop!

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  23. I want to be Mourneful’s Best Man.

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  24. Miss Nancy Moon 15th Oct 2019 — 10:26 pm

    10.09: I want to be Mags bridesmaid. I’d push her down the altar steps. Oh what fun we’d have.

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  25. 4: pm. Presuming what is behind my post is a presumption. I did not say that the sacraments are the property of Christ Betrayers. I said that a person will not receive the sacraments from a person they believe is betraying Christ. I also did not say that one cannot follow Christ without receiving the sacraments from a priest. To say so would indeed be nonsensical.
    I asked you how you follow Christ. Your answer was to insult me.

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  26. Magna Carta still hasn’t told us how he follows Christ.

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    1. None of your business, brian.

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  27. 8: 55 I’d like it to be my business, though. We can all learn from each other in this battle to follow Christ.

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    1. 10:19 Respect boundaries, brian.

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  28. 10:19 Okay. I get it. Thanks.

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  29. 10: 59 Sorry, I meant to reply to 10: 21.

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