CCMS / DOWN AND CONNOR SCHOOL CRISIS UPDATE

THIS CATHOLIC SCHOOL CRISIS WITH VERY SINISTER MACHINATIONS IS THE BIGGEST STORY THIS BLOG HAS COVERED.

IT COULD TAKE WEEKS FOR THE STORY TO UNFOLD BUT IN THE MEANTIME PEOPLE ARE IN REAL PHYSICAL DANGER!

“Dear Bishop Pat,
Thank you for meeting me this morning at your home in Larne. Here is the email that you asked me to send to you to highlight the situation regarding my sibling who is in a current dispute along with other teachers, a situation that you have raised in recent days in your blog.
For much of their professional career my sibling has taught within the school that you speak of. For many years my sibling loved their job, the school and the area in which they have worked. Over the years I have read the cards from parents and children alike in which they have appreciated their kindness, professionalism and joy in teaching.
There was never an issue or any dispute with my sibling. They thrived in the classroom and their passion and vocation for education consumed their life.
This all changed two year ago when a negative culture emerged within the school. My sibling and other teachers were subjected to horrific practices. In the end they were called out on strike by their union. This decision to strike was a very difficult decision to make and went against the grain of every professional instinct that my sibling holds dear. In the end they followed the directive of their union. They were the first school in Northern Ireland, I believe in 25 years, to have gone on strike outside a national dispute, and this in itself reveals the seriousness of issues the union were addressing within the school.
I would like your readers to know that this issue, which I first raised with you on Wednesday in Belfast, is not about a common in house (School Matter) regarding school politics etc….
When they were on strike something happened. You know what it is Pat, but to protect my sibling I will keep the details confidential. The events that happened at first were not noticed, but after several months the truth came out.
The truth forced my sibling and other teachers onto the sick.
I cannot speak for the other teachers, but the mental impact upon my sibling has had a detrimental impact on their mental health. I don’t know what a nervous breakdown looks like but I believe my sibling has had one. What happed on that picket line has left my sibling living in fear. I stress the word FEAR. They are now a shadow of their former selves.
No one, with the exception of their union, has stopped to ask if they are ok. No one from the schools board of governors has been in contact. No one from the catholic church has been in contact.
My sibling’s Occupational Health doctor stated that this the worst situation she had ever heard in over 10 years of referrals.
My sibling is receiving counselling and therapy to deal with the aftermath of what has happened.
My sibling is meeting regularly with their GP and local practice nurse.
My sibling did nothing wrong. A great scandalous wrong had been done to them.
My sibling is being forced down to half pay and risks losing their home and is talking about food banks to make ends meet.
My sibling is being told that they don’t have to go down to half pay and could return  to the school, but they know that this will be end of them.
My sibling and the other teachers are asking for two things – For their income to be protected and for a timely transfer away from an environment that has destroyed them.
This is a scandal that I cannot sit back and watch. In life there is right and wrong. A great wrong was done and it is being compounded by CCMS and the Board Of Governors.
Bishop Treanor, you have the power to end this. You have the power to do the right thing. In the name of Jesus I beg for you to intervene and to end this once and for all. The situation for my sibling cannot continue. End this the proper way for them and the other teachers involved”.

PAT SAYS

I want my readers to fully understand that this dispute is not a run of the mill school problem.

In my 49 years in the church I have never come across such a massive injustice and scandal.

Its like a chapter from Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. Quite literally spies are involved!!! I mean that!

There are “ghosts” in this situation. People working in the dark corridors of power – people who do not want their names mentioned or photographs displayed.

Here are the moral questions these “holy ghosts” should be asking:

  1. Is it morally right that these teachers are being cut down to half pay?
  2. Is it morally right that in this day and age teachers should be going to food banks to feed their children?
  3. Is it morally right that they could lose their homes?
  4. Is it morally right that their professional reputations should be destroyed?
  5. Is it morally right that they are suffering from PTSD – Post Traumatic Strees Disorder and in trauma therapy?

Hey you “Holy Ghosts; Yes, I’m talking to you. You know who you are! There are two ways to sort out this massive scandal – the right way and the wrong way.

If you have any Christian charity you will do the right thing.

And finally, can I ask you to read and reread the Edmund Rice Schools Trust charter (taken from the world wide webb)

Nurturing faith, Christian spirituality and Gospel-based values;
Promoting partnership;
Excelling in teaching and learning;
Creating a caring school community;
Inspiring transformational leadership.

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125 thoughts on “CCMS / DOWN AND CONNOR SCHOOL CRISIS UPDATE

  1. I worked in a ‘catholic school’ for a year and was subjected to the most horrendous verbal abuse from both students and teachers. I made three attempts to inform the bishop of the Diocese, who is patron, but he would not reply to my messages, despite telling his secretary it was urgent that I speak with him. I informed a member of the board who is a priest who told me ‘maybe it’s you and not the school’. Now, I’m all open for self evaluation and critiquing my teaching etc, but this was a ridiculous situation. I can’t go into much detail right now. I can do next year.

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    1. We await your update in 12 months 😊

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      1. 5 months from now. I have had much support from those I have told about this with one priest telling me I should bypass Ireland and take it direct to the Congregation for catholic education

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    2. I can confirm I know this individual and I am aware of the disturbing nature of this experience. This story is truly horrendous and a resigning matter for the bishop of this Diocese – no question about it. I personally stand over this story. I call upon this bishop to submit his resignation to Pope Francis. RTE prime time investigates would have a field day.

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      1. I have heard a similar story. it might be doing the rounds. were talking a western diocese, right?. things get around in Catholic education.

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      2. shame on that bishop, shame on him. telling a bishops secretary that a teachers call is urgent should warrant a bishop to contact that teacher immediately. it could be a child protection issue for god sake. I for one would love to know this bishop and I would bombard him with letters. though being an Irish bishop he probably has no conscience and lives the good life

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      3. irish bishop don’t want to know ya unless you’re a ‘big shot’ with money and a cheque book

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  2. Pat, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. What a dirty, sordid lot !!

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    1. now that’s no way to speak about teachers. its a lovely profession and they work so hard

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      1. 7:25, what a horrible comment to make!!! get behind me satan!

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    2. Teachers are the bedrock of our society. shaping the minds and future of our young people. how very dare you describe them as a duty sordid lot. if anything you are dirty and sordid and should repent for your words. teachers are dedicated to their vocation. people think its a 9-3 job but let me assure you sir/mam that teachers work incredibly social hours and not for you to describe them as sordid. get a life you idiot

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      1. 12.30am: Teachers are nit the bedrock of society! What an over inflated opinion you have of teachers! Parents are bedrocks. You are the idiot here because I think the “sordid lot” is attributed to the bishops and all things catholic I believe and not to teachers…..where is your intelligence?

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  3. Bishop Pat, any reply from Rev. Treanor or the CCMS?

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    1. Treanor’s secretary acknowledged receipt of letter.

      Nothing from CCMS.

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  4. I too have a family member involved in this crisis and I reiterate what has been posted above! however, unfortunately I don’t believe your platform is going to have any influence in this matter !!!!
    Something needs done to highlight this injustice . We’re is the pastoral care for these teachers ? Why are we putting up with the incompetence of CCCMS who are employing principals that are creating havoc in the education of our children .

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    1. its hard to know how to react to this story as it doesn’t say what the issue is. a few teachers went on strike to highlight a problem etc etc etc. nothing new here, disputes happen all the time and people make themselves ill over nothing

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      1. It was not a problem.

        It was a human rights disgrace.

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    2. This platform is only the beginning.

      This is going to become a national if not international story.

      As Father Michael Keane of the Knock Marriage Bureau used to say:

      “ON TO MOSCOW”.

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      1. 8:57
        There’s no end of human rights abuses in this country covered up by ‘the powers that be’.

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      2. Fly on Th Wall 18th Oct 2019 — 8:59 pm

        The Knock & nudge bureau-Now there’s a memory hi I believe it was set so that lonely Farmers in the west of Ireland (No disrespect intended) could find a wife. Is it still going hi. What about what used to be known as CMAC
        Marriage Prep courses but. Sure twould make a corkscrew curl G night hi

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    3. The present and future action is, and will not, be confined to this blog.
      Other actions are being undertaken and other, bigger platforms are coming.

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      1. Hello fly hi at 8:59PM.

        Begorra fly knock & nudge & grab a dolly shot it’s last cupids arrow is now no more.
        CMAC is calling itself Accord doing the prepin for those intending.
        I suppose the lonely hearts take to the WWW.
        The times they are a changin’.

        Bye bye fly hi.

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  5. ”PEOPLE ARE IN REAL PHYSICAL DANGER”

    this is a very serious comment and I can only assume that being the responsible citizen you are, you have reported this to the police?

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    1. 7:55pm. Has it not crossed your mind the ADULTS involved may have informed the authorities?

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    2. have you, Pat?

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    3. Fly On Th Wall 19th Oct 2019 — 7:18 pm

      8.59 Glad you’re still alive and kicking May the wind behind you be your own hi

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  6. MournemanMichael 18th Oct 2019 — 7:58 pm

    +Pat I can’t comment on rights or wrongs or moral issues here. How can I, or anybody, without any facts concerning the issues?
    You’ve only given what in essence are opinions, and that factually whatever has happened has caused illness resulting in pay cuts etc. Such pay cuts seem a common occurrence in long term illness in the public sector so nothing unusual here regardless of cause of the illness.
    I’m certainly not unsympathetic in cases of poor or bullying management for I’ve seen plenty of it, but not knowing the issues here makes valid comment speculative.
    At this early stage I question the adviseability of you blogging it.
    MMM

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    1. I have reason for restraint. This story will develop.

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  7. 7:48 pm
    This platform may bring pressure to bear on the matter to help facilitate a resolution.
    Pastoral care! Pastoral care, in my experience, depends on who you are and what the issue involved.
    If the issue involves scandal involving a cleric, forget about pastoral care.

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    1. This platform is only beginning.

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  8. Sadly Pat you have only been given one side of the story. ask why the concerned teacher didn’t go straight to the national papers. because they would dig deeper. don’t be fooled. don’t take things for granted. don’t make unnecessary journeys and don’t take risks on treacherous roads.

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    1. 8:02
      Teresa, do you know the story? If so, how?

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    2. is that you Teresa Mannion 😉

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      1. I love that video. she mentions ‘the town of crossmolina’. Josephus ‘Albus’ Merrick comes from there.

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    3. This involves SIX TEACHERS, not one.
      None of these teachers have any problem involving the media.
      They have tried to settle it quietly first.

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      1. MournemanMichael 19th Oct 2019 — 12:43 am

        That six teachers are involved suggests a structural issue above them as the crux. That’s a speculative comment. We await developments.
        MMM

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    4. Dont make unnecessary journeys.

      Dont take risks on treacherous roads.

      Am I being threatened?

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      1. no, I was referring to teresa mansion. I wish you no harm. I follow your blog daily x

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      2. 12:43 am
        A structural issue above them as the crux of the problem! What sort of structural issue would impact on people’s human rights putting them in real physical danger ? Faulty roofing?

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  9. Thank you for these very honest posts. I also have a family member who works at this school. To answer your questions I think that it’s totally unacceptable that these teachers would have to have their pay cut. Why should they they suffer when they have done nothing wrong? I don’t think anyone can understand what those particular teachers have faced. I know they are not the only ones in the school that have experienced unwarranted behaviours but to have been subjected to surveillance on top is unacceptable.

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    1. Two reports have been published on this dispute – a general report in August and a report on surveillance in July. Both reports exonerate the teachers.

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  10. Are republicans (the IRA, for example) involved here? Smearing the reputations of these striking teachers? With the full knowledge, and support, of the CCMS, including Bishop Noel Treanor?

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    1. I always vote SDLP.

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      1. I have never voted SDLP. It’s the political wing of the RCC.

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      2. well I am a nun, what did you expect! 😉

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      3. MournemanMichael 19th Oct 2019 — 1:29 am

        And I invariably vote “against” the Tories. While I agree with some, a little, of the Tory promotion of reward for individual enterpreneurial efforts in a market economy, I despise current Tory “weakest are dispensable” social mandate and legislation and demonisation of the weak and vulnerable. So previously elsewhere I’ve mostly voted Labour in agreement with their social policies, even though I disagree with some of their stances.
        Here, in N. Ire. my sentiments are towards republicanism and an eventual united Ireland. But I do recognise the concerns of the long settled Unionist community now having to face up to an inevitability of demographic changes forcing them into a minority stance and uncomfortable acquiescence to the majority perspective. But irrespective of that, their previous gerrymandered dominance carries no requirement for its perpetual continuation.
        I do have conflicting feelings of reservation about Siin Fein’s refusal to sit in Westminster at this key historical juncture. While admiring their principles, I just wonder about the tactics at such a key moment. From that perspective of their abstinence from Westminster involvement, I’m more inclined to vote SDLP to ensure meaningful votes where it counts, even in a Westminster chamber for which I have little respect, but am obliged to accept as having control in the meanwhile.
        One MP, I do have respect for is Sylvia Hermon, a woman of intelligence and principled promotion of her perspectives, even though my own future aspirations may differ.
        MMM

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  11. What jumped out at me is surveillance. That is very unusual coming from a catholic school if im correct. Bullying is common in any school but in this day and age, it should be reported outside Bling Treanor.

    I take it that board of management chairman is a priest? if that is the case, why is he doing all these mentioned in the above.

    Problem is this – full facts not known yet here in this forum bit of one sided story. Every story has two sides. Hope this would be solved. Bullying and threats have no place especially coming from the top- board of management.

    Is any of the parents aware of this re shortage of teachers as teachers gone sick etc.

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  12. Bp Pat, I am none the wiser, but could the “sibling” be… well, let’s just say, a friend of Amy? I wonder.

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  13. If they are going to half pay then their Union should top up. In addition, they would likely receive Injury benefit to top up their pay, so no need for food banks. Injury benefit makes up the difference.

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  14. If this is as bad as you say – expose the whole dam lot of wrongdoers now!

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    1. I will. But I must respect the wishes of the teachers.

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      1. 10.25: This is about the most sensible thing you’ve said so far. Pat, does the school in question know you are talking about them on the blog? What about data protection regulations? Surely they are being breached? Also, do the 6 teachers know they are the subject of your blog? Just curious.

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      2. Everyone knows it’s being dealt with on the blog.

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  15. Pat, MMM makes a valid observation at 7.58. Without the full story it is inappropriate to be making wild, speculative judgments. In some public spheres it is not uncommon for salary reduction in the event of poor performance, lack of co-eperative respinsibility and absenteeism. Having worked on school boards for almost 40 years, some problems are very complex and the dynamics can be fraught with tension, mistrust and fear. If it is a bullying or abuse, then that is contemptible and must be reported. If people are in real physical danger, why aren’t you or the relative of a teacher going to the PSNI? Pat, you have the capacity to embellish this story. You should not do this. Let the truth be communicated. Then we can offer perspectives and comments. That you are encouraging an onslaught of speculative commentary is inadvisable and inexcusable. You are only hearing one side of a story. Sadly, you will use this story to manufacture anti Catholic bias and venom. If there is any internal investigation or mediation in process, your intrusion is unhelpful and may very well prejudice any investigation. It’s been my experience in some instances where teachers unions were inflexible, unhelpful and too tolerant of very incompetent principals and teachers. There is a bigger picture that I feel is not being told. I may be wrong….but I’m observant and wise enough to appreciate the complexity of dynamics within schools. I could write a book about some of my experiences.

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    1. 9:25.
      No need to manufacture anti-catholic bias and venom.
      Plenty of clergy and hierarchs are extremely competent manufacturers of ill feeling towards catholics.

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      1. 9.25pm

        Interesting when you said this comment- is that true re plenty of clergy and bishops/cardinals ill feeling towards fellow catholics?? Then why fellow catholics have to put withall of this as they should be leaving in droves if they heard that. If true then what’s the point of being catholic?

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      2. There is no point in being Roman Catholic except being a slave to the hierarchy and clergy 😥

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    2. The police have been informed.

      This story is so dramatic no embellishment is needed.

      Watch this space.

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      1. 9.29: If the teachers have been exonerated, why all the secrecy? Why this “watch this story” approach if the reports are published? Is there a possibility that people were bound to confidentiality clauses if they have been exonerated? What’s really going on?

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      2. Is this the La Salle story or the Keady one?
        Anyhow, for all your dramatics we are none the wiser and I bet we never will be.

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      3. 9.29: Informed of what and by whom? We need more information. I would be very surprised if any teacher(s) gave permission to outsiders to speak in their name. Teachers have powerful unions to adjudicate on and fight for their rights. No abuse of any kind in any work place should be allowed or tolerated. It should be exposed publicly but with all relevant narratives.

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      4. And that is what’s happening in this case.

        But the time scale of revelations must be decided by the teachers.

        The coming days and weeks will put every detail of this crisis in the public arena.

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    3. MournemanMichael 18th Oct 2019 — 11:08 pm

      Thank you for a wise and measured comment Anon@9:25: not because you agree with what I said, but for further identifying the key issues.
      MMM

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      1. 2:39
        It is bigger than both of those.
        You will be the wiser.

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      2. 11:08 pm
        MMM, the poster at 9:25pm didn’t identify the key issues in this case, but made general
        remarks on the type of issues that occur from his\her experience on school boards.
        In my opinion, Bishop Pat is right to highlight this issue , particularly if people are in physical
        danger, or if their human rights have been violated. ( I have on reason to doubt Bishop Pats integrity on the matter). There’s been far too much covering up of all sorts of injustices/ human rights violations, by those in positions of power. Many people, literally, have no one to turn to due to so much corruption in so many arms of the State.

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  16. No confidentiality have been signed.
    The resistance to the injustice is being coordinated.

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  17. Nothing surprises me, as I know one Catholic comprehensive in central England where at least nine teachers were subjected to sustained bullying. Eventually the LEA did step in to remove the Principal and entire governing body. NB it took the secular authority to act in a toxic environment where Catholic values were supposedly promoted and trumpeted by the Head.

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    1. 11.21pm

      From your experience in England, it implies that any religion have no place in education except for in their area which they are in whether it be a protestant, catholic, hindu et al. Education school should be strictly reserved for education only and keep out religion. So that boundaries would be very clear to us.

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      1. Religion Teacher 19th Oct 2019 — 12:02 am

        religious education IS EDUCATION. we have a duty, indeed a responsibility, to teach children about ALL faiths. you’re one of those fools who think religion in schools is all about catechism. its not!!!!!

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    2. Increasingly ,in a whole range of issues and matters concerning the Roman Catholic Church in particular, secular authorities are beginning to take an interest and to act, on the basis that the RC Church has proven itself incapable of ordering its own affairs and regulating itself. We have seen this in the matter of safeguarding and the clerical sexual abuse scandal, and we see it also in education.
      The direction of movement in so many secular constituencies is to view the RC Church as no longer benign and to see it as an object of suspicion and wrongdoing in so many matters. In the UK the IICSA inquiry has not finished with the RC Church and will drill down even further in to the criminal dysfunction that lurks within the ranks of bishops and clergy.
      It will be interesting to see if secular authorise take an interest in some of the dysfunctional antics that are reported as taking place in seminaries, both in the UK and elsewhere. We have heard about odd goings on and inadequate leadership in some English seminaries; there is a long history of dysfunction in Maynooth; in the USA various seminaries have been put under the spotlight; there is documented abuse and manipulation of seminararians by powerful church figures like McCarrick and O’Brien for their own warped purposes. It is only a matter of time before secular authorities, even the police, take an interest in these matters and decide that the RC Church is incapable of dealing with things and managing themselves. That will be a good step and will help to ensure safety for all, which cannot be said to be the case at the moment. Would you send a young man in to a seminary, knowing what you know ?

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      1. Good post @ 9:14am.
        I would NOT send a young man to a seminary. There needs to be an independent investigation into abuses in seminary’s.

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      2. And, in addition, seminary training is not fit for purpose in providing the priests of the future – semi monastic, isolated, little pastoral connection, all male, inadequate personal and human development, bad theology, and poor leadership and mentoring. As well as all the odd shenanigans we know go on between students themselves, and between staff and students.Need I say more ? Surely, bishops should know this, and should take responsibility to ensure that their parishes are provided with priests who are properly trained and formed. The Counter Reformation / Council of Trent model, which essentially is still in existence, is not the model to provide the healthy, integrated and grounded priests we need for the future. Some of the more sane religious orders have begun to train men in the community with a more much grounded experience, although some have retrenched and moved back to the old traditional model. I know which model produces the best priests and religious.

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  18. Another bishop in the news as i thought it was Waterford whispers.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/waterford-bishop-alphonsus-cullinan-yoga-mindfulness-4857160-Oct2019/.

    Please note that its Education again.

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    1. Catholic Parent 19th Oct 2019 — 12:45 am

      Dear Deaf user. please be aware that a Catholic Bishop has a right to write a letter to a catholic school and if that school does not wish to be catholic then it may choose to do so, with parents consent. A Catholic bishop has a right to speak to a catholic people, in a catholic school, practising a catholic faith, outlining a pastoral response to an issue that’s been raised. End of.

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      1. At 12.45 a.m.
        It’s not as simple as you are attempting to make it. There are plenty of practices in use in Christian churches today which had their origins outside of Christianity.

        Saint John Henry Cardinal Newman wrote in his 1878 “Essay on the Development of Doctrine” : ‘The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holy days and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the east, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.’

        It is also reasonable to assume that most, if not all of the other bishops in Ireland are embarrassed at Phonsie’s forays into the public domain. One needs to remember only the debacle of the vaccination some time ago.

        The tone of your reaction to the earlier commentator is most objectionable.

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    2. Culllinan just keeps wading in up to his neck in any matter, mostly where he has not got a clue. The man is an idiot. He would be a joke is it were not for the sinister threatening side to him. He knows, and principals and teachers know, that he can cause trouble for them. That’s terrible, for him to be pushing his weight around like this. But, the time is increasingly coming when people will not be bullied like this and will not listen to twats like him. He is going to find himself isolated and irrelevant as society moves beyond the likes of him and the Catholic Church. It cannot come soon enough.

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      1. He is already isolated and irrelevant. What an idiot. Everytime he opens his mouth he makes a fool of himself. He hasn’t a clue about education or helping pupils by giving them life skills. What a plonker.

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  19. 7.49: Pat, the dramatics of your responses await a crescendo of a finale? It seems to me that we are getting just one side of a story. If as you say the teachers were exonerated, why are they remaining silent and not making any public noises? Teachers have very strong, powerful unions who are not afraid to speak about any grievances, wrongs or injustices committed against their members. There is a part of this story that we still need to hear about before making sweeping conclusive judgments. If you have that information you owe it in justice to share it and I would be very surprised, indeed shocked, if the teachers are letting you be their spokesperson.

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    1. 9:54 AM
      Is he courting media attention or what?

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    2. All unions in the UK are shadows of their former selves, so, though it is essential to belong to a teachers’ union, schools can use all kinds of underhand strategies to bully – and they do! Remember too that “Catholicity” is a weapon to use against teachers viz dismissals of gay teachers in USA, which would not be possible in a state school.

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      1. Very well said.

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  20. Anyone watching the rugby?

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    1. No. They are all girls here.

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  21. Just read that now, what an idiot.

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    1. Phonsie

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      1. Phonsie the plonker Amy should muzzle him. Everytime he opens his mouth it’s a disaster. I wonder if he’s on the spectrum.

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  22. Had to change channel from watching the rugby 🏉😢.
    RTÉ news app has Phonsie story; ‘Bishop at a stretch to cut out yoga during class time’.
    It’s a cringe making article.

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    1. At 10:52am, the Archbishop of Armagh has no authority whatsoever over the Bishop of Waterford and Lismore. Each bishop, in his own diocese, is ultimately answerable only to the Pope.

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      1. 6:25 pm
        Bishops only answerable to the Pope.
        Is this not part of the problem concerning covering up of all kinds of issues and lack of accountability?

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  23. Was a former pupil of this school. suffered brutality at the hands of so called Christian brothers. School has a long history of brutality and bullying. Sad that it has now extended to teachers being bullied as well

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  24. I am told that the majority of head teachers in Belfast belong to one of the new movements. If this is true how is this influencing their behaviour and is it an issue in this instance?

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    1. Can you tell us what this new movement is and how it thinks and works?

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      1. The Neocatechumenal Way, which operates by demanding unquestioning obedience to their catechists, who claim to be divinely inspired.

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  25. De la salle school ?

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  26. The perspiring prayer 19th Oct 2019 — 4:44 pm

    Phonsie, if you’re reading this can you tell me if I go into the sauna and say the rosary is that then a bikram rosary?
    I getting hot and holy all over Phonsie boy.

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    1. Arthur Fonzarelli aka Fonzie 19th Oct 2019 — 6:52 pm

      4:44
      Wrongamundo, ….take a cold shower a daye…. WHOA!

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  27. Elsie won’t be happy with the ‘way’ being mentioned. It’s was his recommendation for Armagh to solve the vocational crisis in Ireland.

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    1. I shouldn’t have thought the NeoCats were Elsie’s cup of tea at all. Hard to know though where he stands on anything. He was dressed up like a Harrods Christmas tree at the London Oratory the other night for another Newman circus, though I should think he loathes the place.

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      1. + Vinny bends with the wind, depending on its advantage to him. He might not like all the old fogey Oratorian nonsense, but he will have calculated that it was in his interests to show willing. + Vinny does nothing that does not profit + Vinny.

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  28. Pat, will you be celebrating Mission Sunday in your Church this weekend. And if so, how will be look like?

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    1. No I won’t. I’m actually welcoming an international Methodist clergyman tomorrow to concelebrate with us and share.

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  29. Is fonse still in the running for Dublin?

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  30. Wexford Willie 19th Oct 2019 — 5:47 pm

    To The Fonse,
    Stop making a complete arse of yourself and being such an embarrassment to catholics.

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  31. @6.37 Sure isn’t that a mission of a sort… let us know how you get on please.

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  32. Much hetero upsey going on In that school or all homo?

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    1. No. It’s a hetero/ estrogen problem.

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  33. Bishop Bling will not intervene in this school. Neither will his mandarin Gerard Fox. The parish priest is a social climbing phoney who will do nothing to try and resolve the issues. They are as useful as a fart in a space suit. They don’t give two damns about what’s going on. Apart from the bullying of the staff, the children in this inner city school are from one of the most socially deprived areas in the North and their education is bound to be affected, further depriving them of advancement. Does the management of this school think it is ethical to destroy teachers mental health and have children as collateral damage. Meanwhile bishop bling would call this a Catholic school. Christian brothers in my day at this school would routinely beat pupils with straps, dusters and their fists. I thought those days had gone but instead, psychological torture is being meted out to the teachers. What hope have the kids got? Shame on the egotists who are behind this

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    1. A great comment.

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    2. Ah! So it must be St Mary’s Parish (former CB school gives it away and the “social climbing priest”? Timo! Bingo!

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  34. How can someone who doesn’t believe in the real presence concelebrate with you Pat? You get nuttier by the day!

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    1. How do you know he doesn’t believe in the Real Presence? I have not asked him that question.

      Every Christian minister who visits The Oratory cincelebrates.

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      1. Ex Priest Archdiocese of Glasgow 19th Oct 2019 — 9:13 pm

        Hi Pat. All gone quiet up in Glasgow. Any news? I quit there 20 years back after constantly being sexually harassed by gay Priests. Some of the stories I could tell you! Many obsessed with gay sex.

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      2. No Glasgow news recently. I hope life has been good to you these last 20. I would be interested in your stories. Take care. Pat.

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      3. 9.02: Pat, by their very theology they don’t believe in the Real Presence. He can join you for prayer but you should not confuse his theology with yours. If an Hindu guru turned up and asked to bless the bread and wine would you allow that to happen? The Eucharist as catholics understand it is a SACRED teaching. It should not be experimented with. Ever. But then, the Oratory’s beliefs blow with the wind!

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      4. MournemanMichael 19th Oct 2019 — 10:52 pm

        While I can respect that individuals have beliefs, and that they are entitled to hold them, in no way can I “respect “, by which I mean to give credence to, certain beliefs.
        The ‘real presence’ via a priest’s transubstantiating words is one of them. It’s an utterly ridiculous concept without a shred of evidence.
        MMM

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    2. There is evidence for transubstantiation, MMM, but you don’t believe it.
      Your incredulity does not negate the objectvity of the evidence .

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      1. MournemanMichael 20th Oct 2019 — 2:36 pm

        I’m always willing to consider objective factual evidence Magna.
        MMM

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  35. Any updates?

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    1. Not at the moment. I will keep blog readers informed as I can.

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  36. Will the leader of the church of the flying spaghetti monster also concelebrate if he turns up? You really are the church if the make-Up.

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  37. By your own admission you invite people whose beliefs are unknown to you to concelebrate Mass???? I rest my case.

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  38. I am aware of the bullying that is ongoing in this primary school in North Belfast. I would fully support the teachers but what about the staff that don’t have any choice but to continue working under the bullying conditions EVERY DAY!!! It is causing MANY people to dread going to work in the morning to a job that they previously loved and the children being subjected to inadequate education by multiple sub teachers. The staff and especially the children deserve better just because it is an inner city school does not mean lower standards can be accepted!

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