WILL ARTHUR ROACH REPLACE ELSIE IN WESTMINSTER?

From my Roman Correspondent – pastor ignotus

“The man to watch is Archbishop Arthur Roach, Secretary of the Liturgy Congregation in Rome.

He is even more ambitious than Elsie (if such a thing can be imagined) and is pulling every string available to return to England and wear Elsie’s crown.

He is a Yorkshireman and has come up the usual route; bishops secretary, financial secretary, from which he suddenly resigned, secretary of the CBCEW, auxiliary bishop and then Bishop of Leeds.

He was shafted out of his home diocese when he had seemingly bankrupted it renovating their ghastly cathedral and his mansion in the Dales and got the cushy sinecure in Rome by sucking up to anyone with a bit of magenta on their cassocks.

And his friendship with ex Papal MC Marini (the first one who got fired for dressing the German Pope in a John Lewis Duvet covet once too often) who is his tennis partner.

They also holiday together in the luxury Italian island of Ischia. I’m told it’s his for the taking. Westminster priests better watch their backs as he is ruthless.

A vain, overweight bully, he keeps one part of his CV very quiet – the years he spent as a priest at the Veneral English College may well yet deny him what he so desperately seeks.

A far cry from Jordan’s shores! Or perhaps not?

Pat Says,

Roach is already 69 and will be well over 70 when Elsie resigns.

It’s hard to imagine The Vatican putting a 70+ year old man in Westminster.

Of course they did put Daly in Armagh when he was 70?

Westminster seems to be a very dysfunctional diocese with its clergy being made up of gay cliques, ex Anglican, gay and married, members of the Ordineriate, a few ssurviving Paddys and a splattering of other strange types.

In Archbishops House you have Elsie as the man of the house Sister Wragg, her blood / religious sister, Margaret, former Benedictine abbot and Bishop of Menevia Mark Jabale and the cardinal’s secretary.

The Westmminster priests never like their archbishops and knife away at them behind their backs.

Who ever gets the job is in for a miserable time.

74 thoughts on “WILL ARTHUR ROACH REPLACE ELSIE IN WESTMINSTER?

  1. In the nineties Westminster had the reputation of being the diocese which would take literally anyone.

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    1. Salt Of The Earth Type (So Who's The Pepper?) 22nd Oct 2019 — 8:30 am

      6.31

      What?

      Even you?

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      1. No not me lol. I could name names of people turned down by other dioceses first and taken on by Westminster, though.

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    2. Poster @ 8:42am, would you name names to me, confidentially of course?

      You can name your price too.

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    3. That could be said of all the dioceses in the Catholic Church 6.31 am

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      1. Lol people turned down for very good reasons.

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  2. Bishop Buckley, I was on holiday in London recently and my wife and I went to the solemn mass in Westminster Cathedral on the Sunday at 10.30am. Can I say that the atmosphere in that magnificent building, the choir, which was superb, and the overall experience was very inspiring and spiritually up lifting.
    Having attended many ceremonies over the years in our cathedral in Armagh I must say that Armagh is a poor distant cousin. Archbishop Martin should go to Westminster to see liturgy done right.

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    1. 7.46

      You experienced an emotional high from an aesthetic that resonated with your personal taste and perception of the divine; don’t confuse this with a spiritual or religious experience, for God’s sake.

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  3. The serious question isn’t who will be the next Archbishop of Westminster (Frankly, who gives a Friar Tuck?), but why anyone remotely curious about Jesus of Nazareth would even toy with the idea of becoming a Roman Catholic. I mean: seriously?
    When you read the Gospel especially, and then look at the vain, conceited peacocks that comprise the so-called ‘ministerial Church’, do you get even the faintest impression of the Nazarene?

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    1. MournemanMichael 22nd Oct 2019 — 2:45 pm

      Cracking A1 comments Magna. You’re well on form.
      Well said.
      MMM

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      1. 2.45: MMM, are you on a bar stool to make that stupid comment about Magna! Neither you nor he would ever have a smell of the Nazarene: you’ve both rejected him, you for atheism, Magna for himself!

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    2. 8.45: Not the faintest impression of the Nazarene! It may be true of some Bishops but, Magna dear, it’s an apt summing up of your own life. Never will the Nazarene shine through your miserable life. You have to be someone of a happier, peaceful and more serene disposition first. And you ain’t in possession of such!

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    3. 8.02: Magna, the man spoke honestly if his experience which was uplifting and inspiring. Surely his heart was touched deeply and in a transcendent way which is what good liturgy should do. I have similar uplifting and spiritually enriching moments at masses too and when drawn into a sense of mystery, awe and wonder, I feel nourished in my relationship with God. What’s wrong with the words “spiritually uplifting” and “inspiring” which comnentator used at 7.46? Are you just being a pedantic bitch or having a hangover?

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    4. 6.11

      It is the accessories: the ambience created, fuzzily, in their heads by classical choral music, by ostentatious liturgy, etc that created a purely emotional reaction dressed up in the ill-fitting clothes of supernatural experience. But take all of that away, and what remains is the Eucharist primarily.

      How come no one is ever inspired in such a climactic and memorable way by the Eucharist alone? Funny that, since we consider the Eucharist substantially, though not formally, Jesus the Nazarene returned. Why are none of these people moved in such extraordinary ways if they truly believe in the Eucharistic dogma? Why must they rely on the aesthetic trappings of liturgical and choral accoutrements for this? Perhaps it is a sign (which few would probably acknowledge) that belief in the Eucharist as the real presence of Jesus is not just as solid as it might be,

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      1. 6.27: Margaret: stop being such a pedantic bitch. You’re dancing in the head of a needle. It’s obvious you just like argument for pure notoriety. You just lI’ve to be stupidly awkward. The Eucharist as a prayer stands alone in its relevance and significance. The gift which it is and the power of its prayer is beyond description. This experience is enhanced and deepened by music, ambience and respectful silence and thoughtful and reflective words. Your experience is very limited. Just wondering what you think of the Oratory in Larne where anything goes!!!!Or, would you be fearful of the Bishop’s rebuke? I’ve visited Cathedrals all over Europe and have been brought into “true heavenly banquet” experiences because of the classical choral music and dignity of the liturgy. My belief in the REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS has been profoundly deepened by these experiences. Somehow, I think you are just an awkward auld bore….

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      2. MournemanMichael 22nd Oct 2019 — 10:37 pm

        Magna: while travelling I read the entirely ad hominem comments above. I thought to respond pointing out their apparent failure to understand or address your analysis.
        Hardly any need now after your comment at 6:27, though I doubt if that will be understood either.
        MMM

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  4. I'm A Good Person, So I Am. 22nd Oct 2019 — 9:08 am

    I think Archbishop Roach will make an excellent replacement for Cardinal Nichols. I don’t know the archbishop personally, of course, but I am a very good judge of character from a person’s appearance. Archbishop Roach has a firm jawline and strong chin, suggesting strength and steadfastness. And his broad chin makes him a man to rely upon.

    His build also suggests rocklike endurance.

    This is a man who would not have run from Gethsemane like the others.

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  5. So Many Men. So Little Time. 22nd Oct 2019 — 9:13 am

    I know he’s a bit portly, but he still looks quite dishy.

    And those eyes! There’s a mischief in them. 😍

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    1. Before ordination, Uncle Arthur had been a figure skater, but was cruelly cheated of the north-west regional championship when things went wrong at the finals in Blackpool Tower. Oh, and his portly figure is explained by his passion for Cinnabons, a massively calorific, syrup-drenched American snack that briefly caught on over here.

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  6. Is there a hint of, er, impropriety between the venerable Art and his cohort-on-vacation, Mgr Marini? (Or is this Mario a little higher up the greasy pole of clerical rank than ‘Monsignor’?)

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    1. No, there is no suggestion of impropriety at all.

      He is, like Cockroach, an archbishop.

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      1. As you say, more of Vinny minus the charm!

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  7. Rumour that Roger Taylor will be made an auxiliary in Westminster and then progress on to Archbishop via East Anglia diocese. His term at the seminary comes to a close this year. New vice rector has been appointed, who was the priest sitting in the backseat between the two nuns in yesterday’s blog, former vin Nichols secretary John o Leary.

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    1. What a load of old rubbish. It’s pointless trying to work out who the new auxiliary for Westminster – after all the last two appointed were surprises (even to themselves).

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      1. Roger Taylor is ex Anglican so it won’t be a surprise if he is appointed Auxiliary. After all, Alana Hopes in East Anglia was also Auxiliary in Westminster and ex Anglican too. What you have to remember with Elsie is that he will always ensure Auxiliaries are ‘Yes’ men who pose little or no threat. You will also notice that Auxiliaries given to our Else don’t stay long like Wilson et al

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    2. Gosh! John O’Leary as vice Rector of Alien Hall. He’s some boyo. Used to lecture there of course. He liked dancing (a lot). George Stack once nicknamed him St John Vianney by day and John Travolta by night. Very deep individual and Elsie controlled him as his Secretary. What’s happened to Nichol the ex Anglican Vice Rector. Now that’s another story …..

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      1. William nichol?

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      2. John O’Leary was a signatory to the petition of 15th June, 2108 of selfless priests to promote Humanae Vitae. He was in curious company including a number of individuals whose antics have been raised at various times on this blog such as two mitred Abbots, Mark Hargreaves of Prinknash, and Cuthbert Brogan still gloriously reigning at Farnborough, as well as that scourge of masturbators, Father Francis Marsden. A curious individual indeed, and it figures that he has been appointed to Allen Hall. Seminary life suits him well.

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      3. He was never Vice Rector and is still working there.

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      4. Any word on the whereabouts of the Rt Rev Mgr Millicent Phrillynickers, MA Cantab, PhD, STD, JCD, FRCO, Dip Psych? Now he would be good in Vestmeenster in the top job and he’s only 83.

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      5. John O’Leary at one stage was very easy on the eye. When he went to Elsie as Secretary he gained weight and lost his good looks. He was loved by Fag hag Sr Clement. Sadly, he is straight as a dye.
        Y

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      6. Presumably he is approved of also by Mother Wragg as they are both squeezed together at the back of Elsie’s Vauxhall. Were they all off for a weekend in the caravan? Just the weather for it.

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  8. Cockroach wrecked Leeds, got a cushy non job in Rome and expects to come back as reigning Archbishop! I hope not. Let’s stick with Nursie.

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  9. Archbishop Paul Gallagher, 65, is the leading Vatican Diplomat. From Liverpool, down-to-earth and he actually likes and cares about priests. He is however, probably too valuable to Rome. Yet to be a cardinal…

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  10. Archbishop Paul Gallagher, leading Vatican Diplomat, 65. From Liverpool, down-to-earth. He actually likes priests and cares about them.
    He is, however, probably too valuable to Rome. Likely to be a cardinal in Rome.

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  11. Bunty / Nursey isn’t going any further. He couldn’t keep an eye of the one issue that is paramount these days, safeguarding, in his own diocese. All the reports, some commissioned by him when he realised that IICSA was going to be taking a forensic look-see, said that safeguarding in Birmingham was lamentable and wanting, as did IICSA when it looked. Bunty tried to blame the safeguarding lady, and got rid of her, in the hope of transferring the responsibility and blame for this, but it hasn’t worked. He is in charge, and he should have kept a responsible eye on things, and his failure to do so has not been overlooked and forgotten. Also, Birmingham has a terrible track record when it comes to safeguarding and abusing priests, and I don’t think that we need another Birmingham retread like Vin to come south and find out in a few years that trouble has followed. Longley is too much of a risk, personally, and given his Birmingham antecedents. As to Roache, this is a joke. He will not have equipped himself that well in Rome for them to think that he must, simply must, be moved back to the top job in England. There are other, more age appropriate, candidates that will be in the frame for Westminster. Stock of Leeds, Wilson of Southwark etc., a generation younger than Longley and Roache. And don’t anybody suggest Fatso + Robert of Newcastle Cong Orat, please !
    On another subject, does anybody know what is going on in Liverpool? They seem to be having a bad time up there with naughty priests, some egregiously so, with a clutch of them imprisoned, remanded, arrested, charged with abuse. + Pat, perhaps you should start asking some questions there ?

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    1. There is a connection with wonersh?

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    2. Liverpool is wrecked at the at the moment. The guy in charge has ruined the place – and individuals!
      Watch this Space!

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  12. I wouldn’t rule out Mark Davis of Shrewsbury for Westminister. Wouldn’t that be scary.

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  13. Mark Davies would be a good appointment for Westminster to bring back the diocese from the Anglican wardrobe.

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    1. Dark Mavis and Egan in Portsmouth are both regarded as pariahs by their Liberal fellow bishops.

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      1. Quite so. Cormac is said to have remarked re their appointments that this is what happens when you take your eye off the ball.

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    2. Mark Davies hasn’t done anything of note in his time as Bishop just because he likes old fashioned hymns people think he’s traditional he’s not he can’t even say Mass in Latin he’s says very inflammatory things about gays even though he is surrounded to a man by gay priests if he was so trad he would pick better company

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      1. It sounds like he’s a fairy-daddy.

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  14. Roger Taylor is a rector of a seminary. He leaves Allen hall this year. He needs a big appointment. He is a YES man. He is former Anglican. So therefore fits aux role perfect. However when the Allen hall scandal becomes known, he will be moved.

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  15. Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin did nothing to help clear the young men’s names.

    “Archbishop Martin talks about fostering vocations and looking after seminarians and his priests. This young man gave four years of his life to the seminary and was hung out to dry, the Archbishop did a Pontius Pilate,” said the source.

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    1. Shame on him!

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  16. Fly On Th Wall 22nd Oct 2019 — 4:36 pm

    Tis not a job but a masquerade ball and to salute the relics of old decency hi Age is not discrimination but why do they give all if not most of the top jobs to thauldfellas. It would never happen on civvy street. The whole thing needs to be restructured without losing the dish as well as the dishwater but. Masons Templars ……..

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  17. Not forgetting John Arnold of Salford

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    1. John Arnold and cockroche both hung round the long corridor at Westminster Cathedral like flies round shite when the CBEW gathered. Next thing we know they are announced as Auxiliaries in Westminster

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  18. Surely the ‘Bucko Buckley’ is in with a shout?
    Now that would be scrapping the bottom of the barrel, but then what would his big congregation in Larne do for a replacement leader!

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  19. That is indeed heartening to know from the poster at 6:37 pm that a young man could enter Allen Hall aged 18 and come out “straight as a dye”. I think actually you mean “die” unless there is some touch of irony my poor brain cannot register, but it does my heart good to hear that seminary life can be so supportive of a man described by his own bishop as “John Travolta by night”. I wonder what George Stack meant by that.

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    1. If your brain cannot decipher proper English then you’ve had a poor education indeed.

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      1. So toxic at 7:30pm, and so certain in ignorance. I suggested the poster at 6:37pm was making a joke which I didn’t get as he emphasizes the Y. The expression “straight as a dye” does not exist, as dye is an impregnation of colour: the word is “die”, that is a metal stamp. Magna is good on this sort of distinction, so perhaps he would be kind enough to back me up. Meanwhile I suggest you “chill out”!

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    2. 7.29
      On point.👍

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      1. He’s good on anything that involves mere cutting and pasting from Wiki. ut on anything that requires judgement or appraisal or evaluation, he’s as lost as a Jesuit in Holy Week.

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    3. He means, straight as a rainbow.

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      1. So he was making a clever joke – i appreciate your prompt!

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  20. Hammersmith Harry 22nd Oct 2019 — 7:32 pm

    I understand from sources up North that the bishop of Lancaster , Paul Swarbrick, is doing a fine job and is popular with priests and people.
    Although only there a year or two it wouldn’t be unheard of for a man in his position to be elevated to the principal metropolitan See. After all Cardinal Hinsley was called out of retirement to the Seat of Westminster.

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    1. Nice man but not an arse licker, so doubt it. Oh and he’s heterosexual. Barrier.

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      1. Are we still talking about Dark Mavis?

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      2. They’d need to be a good rimmer to get the job.

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  21. Well.
    Knowing the way promotion really works in the church you are all wrong. I can’t think that a bishop’s popularity with priest or people would help him – in fact it would hinder him.
    The next Archbishop is obvious – and he’s named above. Brogan would looove being a cardinal!

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    1. Farnborough Abbey has lost four of its dishy young men lately.

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      1. Oh, dear me! Whatever could have happened?

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      2. 9.09: Pat, you know this is not the real MMM: You should not print comments of fools. Please….

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      3. Have the Europeans departed Farnborough?

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      4. Lol the young men are always a distinct type and it’s not unusual for a number to depart at once.

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  22. Vatican Watcher 22nd Oct 2019 — 9:11 pm

    I could bet a king’s ransom that Paul Gallagher will succeed Elsie

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  23. MournemanMichael 22nd Oct 2019 — 10:42 pm

    Anon @ 9:20.
    I just ignore that eejit, but thank you anyway.
    MMM

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  24. In the above comments about the Eucharist, I do wish people would speak to each other a little more calmly. After all, we are all trying to follow the same Christ. There are people who are led by emotion to contemplate Christ, and there are people who are perfectly satisfied with contemplating Christ simply present under the appearance of bread and wine. We differ in the way we appreciate things, but surely if we looked at each others point of view with respect, it would lead us all nearer to Christ.

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  25. Who resurrected Bishop John Arnold? It’s a few years now since he sailed into the sunset of forgotten ex-auxiliaries. +Bishop Marcus Stock…Westminster? Who came first —Stock or Greta Thunberg? They are so similar in their painful intensity. Then again it is good to be childlike !

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  26. MournemanMichael 23rd Oct 2019 — 12:43 pm

    If the significance of religion, and the RC church in particular, is exemplified in the type of comments above from apparent clerics, then I’m glad I’m well out of it. The gossipy tittle tattle childish and derogatory nickname calling certainly shows up the underbelly of clericalism.
    MMM

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    1. And those of us who follow the Nazarene will be saying, “Thank ~Christ you’re gone!”

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