LAWYERS ASK VINCENT NICHOLS TO STEP DOWN OVER MISHANDLING SEX ABUSE CASES

Elsie I hope you found what you were looking for up there 😊

After government-founded Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) conducted last week in London, two lawyers have written a public statement asking Cardinal Vincent Nichols – the archbishop of Westminster and successor to the controversial Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor (d. 2017) – to step down.

The two lawyers, Richard Scorer of Slater and Gordon, and David Enright of Howe and Co, have been representing almost 50 victims and survivors at the IICSA hearings concerning clerical sex abuse in the Catholic Church of England and Wales.

Cardinal Nichols had been questioned during several sessions of the IICSA last week. Evidence suggested that he had been negligent with regard to abuse victims, even going so far as to delay starting proper church investigations or to meet with victims.

As LifeSiteNews had reported last year, it was also Cardinal Nichols who for years refused to open a church investigation into the allegations of an acknowledged victim of Father Michael Hill who in 2009 had added allegations of sex abuse by Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor.

When finally two solicitous bishops from Northampton and Portsmouth — who knew the victim personally — intervened and sent the court hearing to Rome, Pope Francis shut down that investigation at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 2013.

Cardinal Nichols was questioned on this case last week and claimed that that CDF investigation had already been closed in 2011. He also was shown to have ignored a May 1 letter by both Bishop Peter Doyle and Bishop Philip Egan requesting him officially to open an investigation of this case in Westminster. He still has to answer that letter.

But this is only one of the many cases of Nichols’ mishandling sex abuse cases. According to Catholic News Agency, Nichols admitted about another case that he “did not properly handle an accusation of abuse in his archdiocese.”

As the two lawyers, Scorer and Enright state, this does not only apply to one case in Westminster. They first point to his previous position in Birmingham where he was the archbishop from 2000 to 2009: “In the inquiry’s report on the archdiocese of Birmingham, where he [Nichols] previously served as Archbishop, he was heavily criticised for his attitude to media challenges of the Archdiocese’s actions and for failing to uphold the authority of the national church safeguarding body when it came into conflict with his own Archdiocese.”

Further commenting on his actions during his time as the Archbishop of Westminster since 2009, the lawyers add that it is “apparent from the evidence of the past two weeks that Cardinal Nichols failed in Westminster also.” They sum up the hearings of the IICSA as follows: “Witnesses have described safeguarding in the Westminster diocese as ‘dysfunctional’ and ‘unsafe’. The evidence has also revealed a shocking mindset in the diocese of disdain for survivors.”

Summing up their claims, they state that the cardinal “failed in his leadership roles in both Birmingham and Westminster” and therefore “cannot credibly lead the Catholic Church” in the field of clerical sex abuse in the future. While it will take more than one person to be involved in solving the current problems, they add, the “Church needs leaders who command respect on these issues; Cardinal Nichols does not.

“It is clear to us and those we represent,” Scorer and Enright conclude, “that the time has come for him to step down.”

PAT SAYS.

Vincent Elsie Nichols is a BUSTED FLUSH!

Covered up abuse in Birmingham!

Covered up abuse in Wastminster!

Covered up the fact that CMOC was an abuser!

Tried to duck and dive through the IICSA!

Showed impatience, arrogance, conceit, contempt, etc for the crossexamening barristers.

PUT HIS FINGER UP HIS NOSE!

Of course NICHOLS SHOULD RESIGN –

AND IMMEDIATELY!

127 thoughts on “LAWYERS ASK VINCENT NICHOLS TO STEP DOWN OVER MISHANDLING SEX ABUSE CASES

  1. Tune into the miserable ordination at 10:30 🙂

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    1. MEIN KAMPF at the Pro 😊

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      1. Not so.

        Mostly it was more like a poor-quality amateur stage-show, though I’d have to exempt from that criticism the Archbishop and the man who led the congregation in the singing of the final hymn, ‘Holy God we praise Thy Name’.

        Those two both conducted themselves in a very proper and devout way.

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    2. Which Station?

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      1. Pro Cathedral web cam.

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      2. RTE, ZDF and Radio Bremen.

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    3. Pat
      Please take note of all the priests who will be absent for this ordination. Diarmuid Martin has alienated the vast majority of his priests. I have spoken to some of my Dublin colleagues who are not going to it in protest. It will be sad, empty and pathetic.

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      1. Hardly any priests at the ordination.

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      2. Of course it’s a Thursday morning but it is the feast day if the diocesan patron saint.

        Seems most people there 60+

        But that’s the way it’s going.

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      1. Are any of you watching it?
        What an awful performance. What has all that old flannel got to do with giving glory to God?

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  2. Here’s one of those lawyers – Richard Scorer, solicitor Slater & Gordon Lawyers UK – addressing an earlier Hearing of the IICSA’s investigations into the Catholic Church (the Benedictine Order sector):

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    1. Excellent and accurate statement.
      There must be mandatory reporting laws.
      The RCC must be forced to accept external and independent supervision of all dioceses and religious orders.

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  3. I wish it had been Michael.

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    1. I would rather it be Michael than Frank.
      Lord save us all

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      1. In my humble opinion, we have lost two good men in Conor Gannon and Michael Byrne. I know people will disagree with
        me but they were the only capable candidates we had this past decade. We are left with seminarians who are complete basket cases – pastorally, academically and emotionally.

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      2. I agree that Michael has bags of charm and charisma. I also think he has a lot more honesty than virtually the entire body of clergy. I know Pat says he lied to him, and I do not dispute that, but if he did, maybe he had his reasons given the pressure he was under. Should you be reading this, Michael, you have a lot of well-wishers. In the toxic climate of the Church day, you might perform a bigger service by telling your story publically, though I daresay there are plenty who want to keep you quiet. God bless you.

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      3. Michael had no obligation to speak to me at all. But I was quite happy to talk to him and having discovered the real M to portray what I found on here.

        He was honest about his sexuality from an early age, to all.

        But is it feasible to be a practising gay priest in a church that describes such people as intrinsically disordered.

        By the way, I have talked to another actor in the summer of 2016 gaynooth and we are meeting soon.

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      4. You make a valid point at 11:22 am, Pat, about the feasibility of ordaining an unapologetic openly gay man to the priesthood in the vicious climate that operates today. It has only just come to my attention that Bishop John Arnold of Salford celebrated a Mass last month at Holy Name, Manchester for LGBTQ Catholics and families and friends – and good for him! Needless to say protesters were bussed in to cause disruption, the usual odious sites reported how Latin Mass has been replaced by Gay Mass, and the local SSPX held Masses of reparation. What I am trying to say then is whatever pranks Michael and his chums got up to during the famous summer of love – and frankly I have forgotten now what was supposed to have happened back in 2016 which I doubt was worse than a typical Rugby Club night out – so much of the RCC’s internal dysfunction and cognitive dissonance gets focused on Michael Byrne. He is not the problem: the Church which both uses him and blames him is the problem. Michael, like so many clergy – remember Michael is in major orders – has become another of the Church’s guilty secrets. What to do with Michael Byrne is a question which concerns the whole Church, and, just as with so many issues, it is not going to get answered by the likes of Elsie Nichols. ( And yes of course, I am aware that Elsie has no jurisdiction over Michael, but she certainly has plenty of – shall we charitably say? – equally colourful characters under her own watch – or lack of it. Does anybody know how Carmel gets on with the gays? In the old days at Westminster the queens and the sisterhood loathed each other. )

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      5. 12:12
        Excellent comment. Th
        “so much of the RCC’s internal dysfunction and cognitive dissonance gets focused on Michael Byrne. He is not the problem: the Church which both uses him and blames him is the problem.”
        Wow 👏

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    2. Anonymous at 12.12

      And there you have it: the allusion to clerical pretence, ‘remember Michael is in major orders’.

      So what? Is this supposed to impress people? To dispose them sympathetically, sentimentally, to a man who should never have been admitted to the diaconate, and who hasn’t so far had the humility and the courage to apologise publicly to the Church for the wilful damage he caused? To the behaviour on his and others’ part that you indulgently called ‘pranks’?

      Grow the hell up, you utter fool!

      Neither Byrne, nor Sean Jones, should have been allowed anywhere near so-called ‘Major Orders’.

      I suspect that you are a Romanist, so your outlook on this comes as no surprise at all. Perhaps you know Byrne, er, better than most; hence your strong defence of him.

      But you are right about one thing: Byrne isn’t the deeper problem; it is the Strumpet that…JC!…found such men as he and Jones suitable for ordination.

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      1. Good heavens, Magna, you have certainly reverted to type! My pointing out that Michael is in major orders was to remind us that he is part of the corrupt system which ordained him. How he deals with that as well as how the Church deals with one of its own errant clerics will determine whether anything positive can still come out of this mess. Had you read my comment at 12:12 with a clear head you would surely have seen that no way could I be considered a Romanist or friend to the clergy. That you then tell me to grow up and call me an utter fool reflects your own troubled mind.

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      2. Magna – I think you are jealous of him. He embodies everything you crave and long for in your own life. He is good looking, smart and charismatic. He commands adoration and attention.
        You don’t command anything. No one cares about you. No one gives a damn what you have to say. You are a forgotten seminarian from a forgotten past. Old, bitter and washed up… that’s Magna Carta!

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    3. 5.32
      Goodness gracious me (even Good heavens!)! Did Magna misunderstand the nature of that sycophantic drivel you call ‘a post’? How remiss of him!
      Perhaps he misunderstood, too, your use of the word ‘prank’ to denote the behaviour of Byrne, and his fellow queers, in that wonderfully heady ‘summer of love’. You know: the kind of prankish, good-humoured, high spirits that led to other seminarians’ dismissal. Decent guys, by every account I’ve heard.
      And Magna never strays from type. Didn’t you know this? It is just that such slimy (Aren’t I an ever so good guy?) posts as yours tend, well, to piss him off, really. And I’ll tell you something else for free: he doesn’t need to be pissed in order to land himself in that state.
      Oh, you’re the sweetest, aren’t you?
      You oily so-and-so.😆

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    4. 5.37

      In charity, I sometimes reflect before deciding whether to respond to posts like yours. In all honesty, they are their own, singular embarrassment, being so poorly thought out; and my coming down on the commentor for such infantile remarks and contradiction might seem cruel.

      But I did say only ‘sometimes’.😆

      If Byrne commands anyone’s attention it is, unquestionably, yours. Being the narcissist he is, Byrne couldn’t have written a more obsequious self-appraisal. You’re obviously smitten with the man. Are you one of his clerical sugar-daddies?😆

      And speaking of commanding attention, this ‘forgotten seminarian from a forgotten past’, ‘old, bitter and washed-up’, and for whom no one gives a damn’, certainly commanded YOUR attention.

      And how!

      The utter idiocy expressed here from time to time is truly boggling.😅

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      1. I am 100% sure Byrne was not involved in any seminarian being dismissed from Maynooth. Can you please state who he got dismissed? You are purposely misappropriating information to suite your shallow view of him. That is not true at all. If you are attacking someone, you should at least take the time to get your facts right. It’s all hot air with you Magna.

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      2. The difference Magna. I know him. You know the blog version of him – the skewed, distorted, one-sided view that you so blissfully and ignorantly like dwell in.

        Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.

        You are a joke 😆

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    5. 7.18
      Wow! I’m beginning to understand why Jesus uttered that exasperated , exclamatory remark about his disciples: ‘O faithless and perverse generation! How long am I to be with you and bear with you’? ( Lk 9: 41)
      They were slow-learning; that’s why. Like you.
      I did not say that Byrne directly had any seminarian dismissed from seminary (and I did not say he hadn’t 😆). I was referring to the kind of behaviour in which he, er, indulged himself. Of course, by doing so he contributed to a culture of moral laxity that led to the dismissals. In this respect, he is very much responsible for them.
      I appreciate that Byrne wouldn’t have the courage, never mind moral integrity, to admit any of this, but then, he hasn’t shown much of either to date, has he?
      At least he’s consistent.😆

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    6. 11.14
      Your opinion isn’t humble, just utterly, unfathomably stupid.

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      1. ‘Magna Carta’

        He has held himself with more integrity than you ever will. That is a fact. The irony in all your statements is laughable 😂. You have no moral authority, zero, nil.

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    7. 9.43

      Of course I haven’t.😆

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  4. Conor McCarthy, lately CC Larne gives his vocation story.
    https://www.icatholic.ie/fr-conor-mccarthy-answering-call-priesthood/

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    1. Conor Mc Carthy, formerly CC Larne, has left the ministry. Why can’t you just leave him alone and let him get on with his life? What a load of nonsense……trying to renew gossip and innuendo about him. Give the lad a break.

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      1. He could pop in and join his erstwhile brother priests on retreat in Larne. But for the grace of God go them all. While Conor is probably having to work hard to keep body and soul together, like the rest of the world, the priests on retreat will be enjoying peace and quiet and good food and wine and company in pleasant surroundings. Oh, and it’s not holiday, of course, but it’s work, so it won’t come off their already generous holiday allowance and allocation. And, I have no doubt that it’s considered a legitimate parish expense, as well ! They don’t know they’re born !

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      2. If its like the old days the evening bar will be the highlight of the day.

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      3. Though I certainly do not think anybody should be hounded, I do respectfully disagree with your judgment at 7:32 am that the “lad” should be given a break – what is it with “the lads” in seminaries? he is a grown man. Conor was supported and funded through many years of training, and was used by the system as a poster boy, so surely it is fair enough to raise at least an eyebrow. No doubt it did good to his ego though not to his soul to be presented as the model of priesthood as demonstrated in the clip posted at 12:45 pm, but why is it that we are treated to hype when a guy selflessly offers himself for ordination, but are denied explanation or answers when, as is so often the case now, it all goes arse over tit? Not only are priests infantalized but the laity too. Back in England’s leafy shires and dreaming spires, there has never been but a word concerning the disappearance of the previous Provost of the Oxford Oratory, Daniel Seward, though he has been since reported giving Bible classes in the York Oratory-in-formation. Are we regarded as too stupid to understand why Daniel, having been a very prominent spokesman for tradition and the hardest of lines to taken against miscreants who fell foul of the official line on divorce or contraception ( funnily enough I never heard him express himself on homosexuality, but maybe he did in other ways ), disappears over-night without a word? Or why he resurfaces at York but is kept in the background not even appearing in parish photos, whereas at Oxford he was never out of the limelight? The fact that Daniel was a popular, intelligent and charming parish priest makes his sudden escape on a one-way ticket on the next National Express bus heading north to live in relative obscurity even more surprising. But naturally nobody thought to reassure the faithful – just cough up for the next refurbishing of the Oratory House.

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      4. Just like Fr Darcy, he had envisaged getting married.

        https://www.irishcatholic.com/it-is-god-who-brought-me-here/

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      5. Thank you Anon@11:52 am for posting that link on Conor McCarthy. What a load of bull! This is exactly the kind of stuff which is churned out shamelessly when it comes to ordination: propaganda with no basis in reality, but, at best, wishful thinking. We were meant to simper and swoon at Conor’s devotion, his wonderful confidence and sense of being utterly at ease with himself, as well as natch’ – wait for it! – the brushing away of a tear at the thought that he had been destined to marry a nice girl and have lots of Catholic kiddies. For sure, let’s wish Conor all the best, but let’s not brush all the questions his ordination raised under the carpet. Michael Byrne on the other hand has always been entirely upfront about his sexuality, and is a Deacon, so what do we now do with him? Pretend he has gone away? Discuss.

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    2. 12.25
      Nothing to discuss, really. Byrne should already be laicised. The fact that he isn’t is living proof that the institutional Church has learned nothing, wants to learn nothing (and damn well will not learn anything) from the sexual hypocrisy/abuse/criminality among the clergy. Not just clericalism, but the beast on a very high horse.
      The fact that Byrne remains a deacon is effectively two fingers raised aloft, and directly in the face of every other Catholic.

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      1. Magna, no one cares what you think. You are obsessed with the idea of Byrne. He is not the problem, the Church is.

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      2. Far response to mine, Magna. I’d say we’re both right, but maybe I am more susceptible to Michael’s charms, and have always been a sucker for redemption!

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      3. Magna has a thing for byrne
        😂😂😂

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      4. 1.28: The reject from the past speaketh again from his hugh pedestal of moral virtue. Mags, had you been ordained, you’d have faced rejection, dismissal at some stage. Get over your hateful vengeance. Your every word is laced with it. Poor Mags.

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      5. Bishop Pat asked his blog readers some time ago “is Michael Byrne a modern day saint?”

        I did not agree with Pat at the time, but I agree with him now. This guy has the power to shake the Church and transform it. He is able to capture the hearts and minds of so many people.

        He has the ‘IT’ factor. Saints challenged the people of their time and the same can be said of saint “Gorgeous”. His very name alone invokes deep theological discussion. Will he be the one to bring the Irish Church into the 21st century?

        It is oddly fascinating….

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    3. I wish Conor McCarthy well in whatever he is doing. However, it does take a bit of imagination to believe that when he was making that video on the eve of ordination that he did not have, or others did not have, some reservations about his suitability. So, why did they not explore it, even if it did mean he didn’t get ordained ? Well, because they are all in denial, and lacking in good psychological and emotional insight. It says volumes about the way we train our priests.

      On training, Conor, and all the other seminarians, are in receipt of very generous education at no expense to themselves. Most other professions, indeed most students at university level, incur quite considerable personal debts for their education, to be paid back over their careers. They have to invest personally in their education. The likes of Conor and Gorgeous and all the others who have left are able to leave with no debt and yet in receipt of valuable education and degrees. I’m not sure why there isn’t some mechanism whereby the Church – which means us who put the money in – can reclaim some of this investment, which they take with them to a new career and life. It seems only fair. And, would bring our seminarians in to line with the realities of life as experienced by everyone else.

      Clergy who get in to ‘difficulty’ are frequently given very generous opportunities to ‘find’ themselves and their vocation, often at great expense. I know priests who go away to ‘centres’ to do various courses and have counselling etc, which costs tens of thousands. In the real world, that is not available to people. Firms and companies just move you on if you are not able or willing to do the job they want you to do. It’s up to you then to sort yourself out.

      So, seminarians, clergy, the clerical world is cosseted and protected from any of the realities of life that the rest of us have to live through. I’m not sure they understand how fortunate they are. If they had to face some of these harsh facts of life, maybe they would think twice about what they do and how they do it ?

      I suppose they think the ‘sacrifice’ of celibacy is their payback ? Well, it would be if they weren’t cheating and took it seriously. I might look a bit more kindly on them if that were the case. But, for the most part celibacy for clergy is a sham. So, I’m not so inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt on other matters.

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      1. 1.57
        Their belief in being a gift to the laity leads them to a sense of privilege, entitlement, expectation…and to the self-assured arrogance that helps hold all three uncompromisingly in place.
        Clericalism (in a way, the word is a misnomer, because it doesn’t apply just to clergy) infects even the most junior seminarian…and it begins with that stupid, utterly unfounded, nonsensensical phrase ‘VOCATION to the priesthood’.
        The fatuous idea that priests are men set apart, because they are called by God from their communities, plants the seed of clerical favourtism and specialness in even those still at high school, but thinking of entering seminary.

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  5. Richard Scorer is a legend and has done more than the entire hierarchy to help people put their destroyed lives back together.
    That’s where moral leadership is found, outside unholy mother church and people who think a Taize service and collection for Br Kevin can somehow make up for the torture the church has subjected people to.
    Pat I love the picture of Elsie, I bet he’s furious 😂
    What’s the matter Elsie, don’t you like it when people do things you don’t like? That is a tiny taste of what being abused feels like, now feck off to your caravan.

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    1. 3.57: No one ever suggested that Taize Masses, attended by hundreds and donating generously to Br. Kevin’s Day Care Centre for the homeless will ever undo the hurt, damage and harm caused to survivors of sexual abuse. What such events achieve is a reforming and a renewing of personal and community faith, somewhat like the early Christian community who gathered in small groups, read the word, shared the Eucharist and cared for all in need by sharing resources. Isn’t this a very commendable ideal to strive for and to live out, all in imitation of Christ. The more of these small Christian groups reimagining the early Christian church we build, the better will be the people of God. Your cynicism is an illness. You should bin it and share with us some imagination and originality about creating a new kind of humble church! Now this would require a poetic creativity, intelligence, a rightful heart and a visionary mind!!

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      1. Have you seen this excellent search facility?

        https://www.achurchnearyou.com/

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      2. 9.31
        Those are sideshows, essentially a diversion from the bigger picture…the corruption at the heart, and right through the body, of the institutional Church.
        Such intermissionary events as Taize services won’t affect the bigger picture in one way or another; but they do allow those at the heart of the corruption to point a grateful finger… away from themselves, while rapturising about renewal and growth.

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      3. No. It isn’t, because it’s a deflection. I think if you read that original comment that was given as an example of Pat ignoring the good the church does. Until the church shows some evidence at all levels that it will not continue without awareness and being changed by the harm it has done, people like me will continue not to let people like you forget it.
        St Benedict told his monks to keep the fear of death always before their eyes, and currently the Catholic church must not forget the harm it has done nor be allowed to divert in any way.

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  6. There’s a sense in which this enquiry had only one direction to go after all the hearings and evidence.That Cardinal Nichols has to do the go parable thing and resign. While a huge personal, ignominious public fall may hurt deeply, it is the morally right decision out of acknowledging the abuse, hurt and betrayal of survivors. While it is gravely sinful to have in any way endangered others through negligence, lack of transparency and reckless decisions, the Cardinal must find the courage to do the right thing. It is not a time of gloating over someone’s personal failure or disastrous negligence, but a time to hope that survivors may at last see justice being done. The continued presence of Cardinal Nichols will only add unnecessary pain to survivors. Truth wins out but truth with justice is an even better rest. I do not know much about Cardinal Nichols but I know that there are good initiatives and pastoral projects he engaged in but which will now bear the memory of his mishandling of proper child safeguarding policies and procedures.

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  7. He puts forth His hand in strength and scatters the proud hearted.
    He casts the mighty from their thrones and raises up the lowly.

    Let us see some humility! Let us see some compunction! Let us see some honesty!

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  8. In any other organisation, the Chairman of the Board and Board members would call in their CEO, aka + Nichols, and tell him to resign. They would do so not out of animosity to the individual, but because they would have seen that his continuance is doing damage to the business and how it is performing. The dynamics are somewhat different in the Church, but still the same principles apply, namely the continuance of + Nichols will do damage all around, most importantly to the abuse victims / survivors for whom + Nichols is a constant reminder of a clergy and a Church that has prevaricated, covered up, lied, and is in some ways at the very heart of clerical abuse, as well as continuing to do damage to us, the Church, by his arrogance and his contempt which was clearly manifested in his testimony at IICSA. You could see the bubble above his head, thinking “Who are they to be daring to question me, Cardinal Nichols, a Prince of the Church”. It was written all over his face. The optics were not good. So, he has to go. Someone needs to tell him. Hopefully, Francis through his Nuncio will be giving him that message.

    The removal of + Nichols would be a start. But, only a start. On this blog we have for a long time talked about radical change to the Church, particularly the clerical priesthood culture and much around it that is at the heart of the abuse scandal., because men who consider themselves special, set apart, untouchable, unaccountable and unimpeachable, has allowed these men to engage in wicked activity with impunity. Until now. We need to root that out, and re-establish a ministry of priesthood that is truly about humble service.

    The first step, however, is for + Nichols to go. Then we can get on with the rest We know that you read this blog, + Nichols, so please listen to what we are saying.

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    1. 09:18 I thought you’d be happier in Anglicanism where your wish list already exists. However, I was wrong.
      Presbyterianism or Congregationalism sounds more up your aisle. You really are more URC than RC!

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      1. Your range is pretty limited at 12:13 pm. Were I say living in the UK and expressed concern or even outrage about the running of the NHS, education system or public transport, it might or might not be true that I would be happier living in France or Germany or Shangri-la. However, I am not drawing comparisons but addressing the deficiencies and wrongs of the system where I am actually living. I realize this is difficult for you to grasp, so consider another example. If I were living next door to a house where criminal activity was known to be taking place – let’s say people trafficking for example – would you advise me to change address or report the abuse to the proper authorities. As your type is only too familiar, I have no hopes that you’ll get this distinction, so up yours with the seventh candle!

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      2. Yes, as the Apostle says, “the Lord loves a cheerful giver”. It’s much better to be a happy, outward looking Protestant than a miserable, inward looking Catholic, very concerned about intra Catholic matters. Many Tablet readers who opine about new ways of “being Church” have been utter failures in evangelising their own families or, if Religious, in attracting postulants and novices.

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  9. Dermo – do you promise to be celibate?
    Frank – YES!
    Everyone – hahahahahhaha

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    1. Hi Mullaney

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      1. Pat why does mullaney not like Frank.

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      2. I dont know very much about Frank and the alleged issues.

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  10. Fly On Th Wall 14th Nov 2019 — 9:52 am

    Another holy show. The verdict is in but what clout does it have
    As for the ordination in Dublin it’s a sad affair based on what’s reported on here

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  11. Frank reported the gays with robotic germanic efficiency and became an outcast from the Dublin diocese.

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    1. He reported the gays, did he? Was he forgetting anybody?

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      1. He forgot himself and Chris Derwin. He did live with Chris for a year.

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  12. Pat

    The Pro-Cathedral is empty. Where all the priests on this special feast for Dublin? All they have is old canons filling the back seats.

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    1. Those canons should be fired.

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    2. Its a sad state of affairs when Dublin takes the cast off’s from Germany. Where are our irish men?

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      1. Only women and old men go to the New Mass, so hardly fertile ground for vocations.

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  13. Does finding Conor McCarthy “hot” make me a bad person? 🤔

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    1. Not at all MMM. I agree with you……..he’s quite hot! I would!!!

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      1. He’s a married man.

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    2. MAGNA'S MUMSY..😣😣😣 14th Nov 2019 — 3:25 pm

      12.21: Pat, this isn’t the real MMM – you know that, yet you print this crackpot’s silly, pubescent nonsense.

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  14. Anonymous, at 11.04am, wrote, “Conor was supported and funded through many years of training”, but that’s also the case for teachers, policemen, doctors, nurses and so on.
    But in all those professions it’s accepted that sometimes people realise that they’re not cut out for the job and must move on to another line of work.

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    1. Teachers are funded? I think not! Teachers are not paid during training!

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    2. Valid point Joseph. But teachers, cops and nurses are not presented as saints and heroes just by dint of their job title, nor do they claim divine election. Also they have to fund their college training and don’t take six years over it while tanning their arse by the seminary swimming pool.

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      1. I went through Maynooth as a lay student and then a 2 year masters in teaching. I didn’t get any help from the state as my parents income was 1,100 over the threshold. I had to work to fund myself and work very long hours. In Maynooth its very hard to find accommodation and for the first year I couched surfed, second year I was lucky to get into digs and third year I just had to commute for over an hour everyday. there were seminarians in some of my classes, but they didn’t like to mix with us. they would sit at one side of the lecture hall. They had their breakfast, lunch and dinner handed up to them. education all paid for and a warm place to rest to their head and no waiting in the cold and rain for buses. there were so many empty rooms in the seminary that could have been rented out to lay students.

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      2. 1.57: Whatever happened since the 70’s when, as a seminarian, I had to work every God given hour of holidays, often foregoing Christmas day with my family, to fund my training. I couldn’t afford to pay fully for 7 years but I made significant contributions then. Thus I had to work every midterm, every day of summer, Christmas and Easter breaks – hospitals, supermarkets, farms, pubs, food deliveries…..It seems seminarians today, few that there are, don’t have such challenges. What a pity and what a shame….

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      3. Because of family poverty I started Summer, Christmas and Easter work aged 12 as a page boy in the Gresham, Dublin – £2.06 per week – 1964.
        After that it was every holiday until I was ordained a deacon in 1975.
        It was the best thing I ever did – knocks all the corners off of you and dispels and Grace’s or airs.

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      4. Joseph Lollard 14th Nov 2019 — 5:37 pm

        That’s very true, but only because of the way the RCC runs seminaries, with the Diocesan Bishop selecting his seminarians, and then paying their fees.
        Many other Christian denominations do things differently.
        The student has to raise the fees himself.
        He’s likely to have help from his family but usually he’ll raise the bulk of the money from his home-church and from churches where he’s helped out – leading Bible-studies, occasionally preaching, etc – as a layman, and from laypeople who’ve been impressed by his talents and dedication.
        Here’s last year’s schedule of fees for a Theological College in London – https://assets.website-files.com/5b914b949f1f94209df2c7b5/5bbf33d04f024b2b5c2284dc_Fees%20Information%202018-19%20(1).pdf

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    3. Declare an interest, Joe, are you an ex-priest or a Maynooth reject?

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      1. Joseph Lollard 14th Nov 2019 — 6:47 pm

        No. I’m neither.

        I’m a Bible-believing non-RC Christian, born January 1940.

        I used to be a Roman Catholic – Catholic boarding school, sister a nun, PTAA etc -but old-style, pre-V2.

        Then one Sunday morning in the summer of 2005 a series of chances but me into a CofE church one Sunday morning. There was a Bible on every seat and the elderly preacher spoke in a calm unexciting voice to a very boring, elderly, congregation on a passage from Revelation, chapter 2.

        And suddenly the Holy Spirit hit me over the head, the same as he did Saul of Tarsus. Inside 20 minutes I was free from the Pope of Rome, along with all his works and pomps.

        It’s odd though that you suspect I’m a former priest or seminarian.

        About 12 or 13 years ago I had a minor stroke and the neurologist looking at my brain-scans told me I shouldn’t be surprised if people sometimes thought I was mad.

        What has happened though is that, without me even talking about religion, strangers will sometimes ask me am a vicar or similar, and Jews have asked me what synagogue I belong to.

        That’s absolutely true. I am not making it up.

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      2. Joseph Lollard 14th Nov 2019 — 6:54 pm

        Sorry. A typo in my previous post.

        It was Revelation, chapter 3; not chapter 2.

        Apologies.

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      3. I’m a nurse, and I am definitely both an angel and a hero 😇
        40 of us started training in my year, only 14 qualified at the end and since then at least two have let their registration lapse and one has got struck off. This isn’t unusual, the training was funded by the state and then we got a bursary to subsist on as well.
        In reality we all did shifts on the wards as nursing assistants to get more money.
        I have been told that if a diocesan priest does five years after ordination he is considered to have repaid his education. Is this true?

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  15. Pat, that profile is back on Grindr again pretending to be you and saying you are a chaplain to gay community. I have reported it to Grindr as a fake profile but some people will think it’s you

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    1. That goes up regularly. I’m not bothered about it and if it sends anyone my way I will help them.

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  16. Brendan Marshall, like Byrne and Gannon was also thrown under the bus.
    My advice lads, get together as a group and let the truth about the Church be known.

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  17. – Vincent Elsie Garnett Nichols –

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    1. Elsie’s a Lancashire lass, Bp Pat, and may have to consider early retirement. The Isle of Capri, perhaps, like Gracie Fields before her.

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  18. 2.46: Young teacher. Really? If your comment as written is testament to your quality of learning, articulation and grammar, God help the young students in your classes. It’s a comment an ex seminarian would write!! Honestly……snowflakes….

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    1. I received a first class degree in undergrad and a 2:1 in my masters. You are just a very nasty person

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      1. Congratulations on your excellent result.

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      2. 4.52

        Yes, very well done.

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      3. How could a seminary have lay students living in its bedrooms and still be a seminary? Maynooth was destroyed by the admission of lay students.

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      4. Maynooth was destroyed by promiscuous priests and seminarians.

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      5. 4.52: You should still learn proper grammar and construction of sentences…..

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      6. This is not a grammar or language blog.

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      7. Canon Matt Hep 14th Nov 2019 — 5:46 pm

        Fair play and thank you for raising very interesting points. I often thought seminarians could have occupied the upstairs rooms that are used for paying guests. Congratulations on your excellent results 🙂

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  19. Lollipop Josie 14th Nov 2019 — 3:22 pm

    12.32: Magna, I guess you would burn every CATHOLIC at the stake: YOU’D THROW ALL CHRISTIANS TO THE LIONS, YEAH!!! Aren’t you very clever. Those who come to the “sideshows” as you cynically call them are solid, good, faithful and genuine people. They too need sustenance and dare I say, what YOU’D offer would be stones instead of bread, scorpions instead of fish!!! Away with you, Magsy the Satan!

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    1. 3.22
      Aren’t you overreacting, a little?😅

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      1. 4.31: NO…..to your question.

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  20. 3.19: Indeed Pat, that was our generation…hard work: pay your way: take nothing for granted. Nothing like cleaning elderly men in the county home after toilet visits to knock the edges of you or work from 6am to 5pm in fields of beet during the roasting summer heat to earn an old half crown!! Glad I did all those hard, manual tasks…..

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    1. 3.37
      One of the summer jobs Magna had while a student/seminarian involved clearing sewage pipes in a factory.
      Sewage…in summer?
      JMJ!😨

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      1. Is that an analogy for a summer of homosexual activities Magna 😉
        I bet you did clean them pipes

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    2. It’s actually 2019 now if you haven’t yet noticed, not the 70’s. These old trips down memory lane and nostalgia don’t interest those of us who live in the present real world.

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      1. Canon Hep suggested that seminarians could occupy the upstairs rooms used by paying guests. They used to be, I lived there in First Divine back when there were 400 seminarians and the Vatican II New Pentecost hadn’t yet done all its damage.

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    3. 5.44

      No! 😅

      But brilliant, all the same.👍

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  21. If only the Irish clergy would take a leaf out of the book of their mainland brethren and sign this open letter deprecating the idolotry and sacrilege in the Vatican. Will you, Bishop Pat?

    https://www.contrarecentiasacrilegia.org/

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    1. 5.22
      You aren’t knowledgeable of the political history of the island of Ireland, are you? Calling upon Irish clergy to follow the example of ‘their MAINLAND brethern’ will not go down well, presuming you meant ‘Great Britain’ when you said ‘mainland’.
      I read that letter; well, parts of it, since it went on quite a bit. I notice that all (or virtually all) the signatories are members of the intelligentsia-clergy; no hoi-polloi here. No Joe and Jane Bloggs. Of course, why would there be, when disobedient halfwits, like you and Cardinal Burke, couldn’t care tuppence for their opinion.
      Please send me a copy of the letter; I can’t promise I’ll sign it, but I can promise that I’ll find good use for it…when I run out of toilet paper.

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      1. Looking at the list I saw lots of European signatures. So I’m presuming 5:22 meant mainland Europe

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      2. MC at 7.20
        Noticed that an article on Cardinal Burke was deleted on this blog. Is your friend Pat pally with Cardinal Burke?
        He freaked me out with his magna cappa dress which i never seen it before until 2 years ago. That was when i went into a church in Cork for a quick prayer. LO and Behold, Cardinal Burke in his all flowery red magga cappa dress that was when i got freaked. After that i made a decision not to see C Burke in that dress. It was something like out of ancient age ages ago as i felt transported back to 1700 ad. It made me see RED.
        That comment got me banned in conservative catholic forum. Im a modernist and liberal in my views.

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  22. Bishop Pat,
    Tell us about requirements for ordination in in the Oratory society

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    1. Tha Oratory is quite different. We do not get very many applicants. We discern a vocation as a congregation, not only me.

      We look for deep faith a prayer life, mental and physical.health, a very good knowledge of theology and scripture.

      All our priests must be self financing.

      We have wonderful priests.

      We’ve also made our fair share of mistakes and musjudgements.

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      1. 9.46: Pat, glad to hear you have some good priests and that you have made mistakes and misjudgment. Could you outline these for us? Just curious how you discern who is suitable, who isn’t: how do you resolve conflicts: self financing – how? Who decides where a priest should minister and what procedures are followed in such a decision? What about Garda/PSNI vetting and is any community aware of the presence of an Oratory Priest?

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    2. Isn’t it that you have to be a discontent from another church? My question would be “what safeguarding practices do they have to undergo and also I presume that DBS checks are the norm. (Will my comment be published? I wonder).

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      1. DBS checks are of course the norm.

        We have had and do have people with bad experiences of other churches.

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  23. Hi Pat
    How is Fr. Sean Jones from Kerry?

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    1. Jocktastic!

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  24. Quite simply all or most of bishops in UK should resign en masse cos they knew it all the time. However they choose to keep silent themselves until someone exposed their cover ups. That includes Nicholas, Longley ,CMOC.
    Heard a story re Brighton diocese where CMOC was then a bishop as he nominated his friend to be bishop not the Vatican as it went ahead. That was a decade ago i think.
    Remember the quote uttered by ‘philosopher Edmond Burke, ->’The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
    Would the good priests stand up and shout from their rooftops at the Vatican and their bishops? If they do nothing then the Vatican will triumph but not to lay people.
    As if the veil opened up a bit for me as im starting to see that RCC is an evil organisation. More like bit of organised criminal cos cover up, an ex mafia hitman admits that he killed JP1 (not surprised cos im rem well back we sort of said it’s murder with 33 days in office). Pope Paul VI an homosexual which i find it to believe it but his face and appearance seemed to me a homosexual but im not an expert.
    Interestingly i stumbled across a website stating that papal coats of arms of dictator pope PF are of masonic origin, same thing applies to JPII, PPVI. It made us wonder whether the Vatican is ‘the whore babylon cos of seven hills.

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  25. 7.20: Magna, would you not feel at home with such erudite academics or would you feel inferior in their company???? A brilliant line up of intellectuals!

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  26. Joe Lollard at 6,47pm and 6.54pm
    Interesting that you walked out of RCC that quick. It has taken baby steps for me withdraw and weany myself off from RCC as its only starting. Whats more interesting was that you as pre V 2 not a modernist (which the trads dont like). Pope Francis aka dictator pope called them’ frigid’.
    Well i believe in God, Jesus but not the RCC cos there was one black priest whom i spoke to as he said to me ‘ RCC will let you down many times so they cant be trusted but you trust god or Jesus alone.
    Here in this blog, you would see the other side of RCC as other side of spectrum hidden from the unsuspecting public. Now we the public know re the hidden side of the RCC which was very useful. It makes sense re the turmoil going on inside the church which i didnt understand it at first.But now i realise and think RCC church is growing and getting more open for the gays as it replaces the empty vacuum left off by priests quitting or laciised or got married.
    Is the RCC dying????

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    1. Bishop Farrell of Ossory is cutting the number of Masses in his diocese by 1/3.
      https://www.irishcatholic.com/bishop-warns-married-priests-are-not-the-answer-to-crisis-of-faith/

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  27. I scroll past ALL of Magna’s comments.

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    1. Good advice to all. So will I now after wading through that bucketful of bile and rant yesterday.

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  28. Richard Scorer of Slater and Gordon, and David Enright of Howe and Co. are worthy advocates for victims of clerical sex abuse, They are to congratulated for their fortitude and endurance as the Roman Church plays the long game; Wear down the victims, their advocates and those who oppose their criminality. The endless stream of cash at the disposal of Imperial HQ is crucial to this cynical strategy.
    It will take more than public letters from this legal pair to remove Nichols. The Cardinal presents as one who practices what psychologists describe as ‘Frame Control’- no other reality but his own and we are compelled to view our world and our truth through his lens. It will simply not suffice. In possession of such a distorted reality- i suspect he has pretensions on the Papacy- it may take an order from the Pope to have him removed under the usual ‘health reasons’ canons. Whether such an order will be relayed to Nichols is another matter. We may get an Armagh type of scenario- coadjutor appointed and for Nichols like Brady to ‘save face’
    I eagerly await the IICSA reports on these matters. It will make for heady reading

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  29. We have never been told why Henry Balkwill left Maynooth to reappear in Wonersh. What is the story here? Was he part of the summer of love? Come on all you Gaynooths spill the beans!

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    1. Is it correct to say that Balkwill was arrested in September?

      Any truth to this assertion?

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