ALL NOT WELL AT WONERSH SEMINARY.

Fr. Teyrnon William’s, of the diocese of Menevia in Wales was responsible for pastoral formation in Wonersh Semonary and a tutor to 5-6 students. One Sunday morning at the first quarter of 2018 there was a note on the seminary’s notice board saying that he had traveled back to his home diocese in Wales to see his family doctor and would be back at the seminary a few days later. Nobody thought this was strange at that time, he had had what seemed to be a really heavy cold for several weeks. But the days went by and became weeks, no sign off or info about Fr. Teyrnon.

A few weeks later the Rector, Canon Brian Coyle, who refers to himself as “Kim il Coyle”at the end of the weekly “Rector’s conference”, had two announcements:

Fr. Teyrnon, he said, had fallen down a stairs and broken his back, and was called back to his home diocese by his bishop and wouldn’t return to the seminary.

Father Coyle, according to someone present, made this announcement with a smile and a facial expression suggesting he didn’t believe what he was saying.

People present were also told that under no circumstances were they to contact Fr Teyrnon and that any and all communication should go through the Rector who would kindly forward our greetings to the Bishop who would forward it to Fr. Teyrnon.

A few days later all information about Fr. Teyrnon was deleted both from the diocesan website. The only information today listed is a residential address which is not his true residence. http://www.menevia.org/priestsdeacons/

On google you will only find old information about the priest and mention on a few parish bulletins asking people to pray for him, so that he might get well and recover.

If an accident happened, ask some,why is there so much hush hush about it and why was all information about him removed from the www?

One Wornesh seminarian went down to the residential address in Swansea listed on the diocesan website but was told by the person who answered the door

To some It looks like Father Teyrnon is being hidden? Later on a number of Wonersh seminarians heard from two priests who are keeping in touch with the Rector, that the reason Fr. Teyrnon had to leave was that he was in a relationship with a man. Another source says he had a relationship, not just with man, but with a Wonersh seminarian?

Was there such a relationship? If there was who was seminarian X?

Did Father Teyrnon also travel to the Philippines?

The real issue at stake is not Father Teyrnon’s lifestyle but that Father Teyrnon was appointed by the rector to investigate seminarians accusations of homosexual grooming and bullying in Wonersh. If Father Teyrnon was compromised in any way, he surely would not have been a suitable person to conduct investigations into others.

Or could it have been as simple as the Rector sent Fr. Teyrnon away because he caused to much “trouble” actually supporting those who reported about grooming, bullying and abuse?

Canon Brian is regarded by some for doing the traditional catholic thing – going into silence and denial instead to investigating and acting.

Or, as some are asking, is Canon Brian afraid that other things would come to the surface about the seminary and himself if Fr. Teyrnon had been allowed to stay? The questions are many.

The second announcement at the same “rector’s conference” was about a student that had left in the middle of the night due to being bullied and sexually groomed.

The Rector got furious about this particular student and said that everything that was said about abuse and bullying was bad rumors that was destroying the good community that he, the Rector is trying to build at the seminary, and this had to stop immediately.

He went on to say that such rumors are lies, lies and lies, and that the student who left had serious mental problems that nobody at the seminary had the expertise to deal with.

He was going to talk to this student but, he never got a chance to do so before he left.

The seminarians were told, under no circumstances to contact the student because he was dangerous, manipulative and antisocial. They were also told not to even mention the student or what had happened.

During Holy Week another Clifton student was asked to leave. He had also reported abuse and bullying going at the seminary.

At breakfast the day after he left the Rector came into the refectory and looking very happy announced that the seminarian’s bishop had asked him to take time off because he has serious mental health issues which the seminary can’t help him with.

Seminarians were warned once again and under no circumstances were allowed to contact him – as with the other student he was mentally ill, manipulative and antisocial.

Another student reported abuse and bullying and other students breaking into the bar and stealing alcohol.

When reporting this he was told that he was mad, and later on that the Rector wanted to kick him out.

The bishop and his vocation director promised to send him to a different seminary to complete his formation since he had less than a year to go before his ordination, but eventually the bishop changed his mind and kicked him out instead after the Rector told him that there is no bullying or abuse going on at Wonersh.

The student were not allowed to leave immediately, but was made to stay there until half term so his departure would look better and as if it was the his own choice.

He was told by the rector that he was not allowed to sit the exams, but had show up at the exams so it looked like he was taking the exams – so it looked “nice”.

Seminarians are asking why everyone that reporting abuse and bullying at the seminary is spoken of as mentally ill, manipulative and antisocial?!

Seminarians are also asking why they are not allowed to keep in touch with them to show them friendship and pastoral care?

In the seminary year 2017-2018 seminarians began to believe that a handful of other students had been recruited to act as spies and report to the rector and staff.

X” was one of them. He belonged to the group that became known as “The Three “Queens”

These three had very interesting backgrounds.

It was mentioned about “X’s” reason for being a seminarian above.

The two other Queens had similar problems. “Y” had been kicked out from a seminary in his home country because of being involved in having sex with other seminarians.

“Z” had been kicked out from Oscott and his former religious order for the same reason – including having sex relations with his fellow religious brothers.

Seminarians came to believe that the Rector had found a way to have spies around the seminary and collect information.

The “Queens” claimed openly to be the Rector’s favorites.

At the same time they could continue their abuse and bullying at the seminary

Some seminarians couldn’t even go for a walk without being called into the Rector’s office, while these “Queens” could do whatever they wanted to with no consequences at all.

“X” is still at Wonersh. “Y” and “Z” were ordained.

A Clifton student was officially asked to take time off at Christmas last year (2018) with “time off” being a nice way to say that you are being kicked out.

Strangely he is still listed on the Clifton website as a student, but he hasn’t been a seminarian since December 2018.

Seminarians were told that they should not “disturb” him during his thinking process.

A seminarian writes: “In one of the posts on your blog (28th September this year) it was claimed that a student was flashing in front of other seminarians and members of the staff”.

This happened after the St. John’s day celebration in February this year. There was an argument between the mentioned “X” above and the dean, who has aspergers or some other mild autism.

Would only a few students be honored for the hard work preparing for the St. John’s day or would all the students should be honored? It became a quite wild word fight between the two down at the bar, and many other students and members of staff got involved.

A student from Clifton got so excited in the fight that he pulled down his trousers and flashed his ass to make his point.

After the incident the rector said that we should all just put this behind us and forget about it.

If someone else had done this (except for the Queens and “H” mentioned below) I’m pretty sure they have been kicked out. Has this something to do with the fact that one seminarian is the brother of a well connected in Clifton?

Fr. M was part of the staff team and had a vote but he was not often to be seen around the seminary.

Most of the week he spent somewhere in Clifton taking care of his dogs. But last winter he suddenly disappeared. There was a post on the Clifton website in the spring that he was called back to the diocese due to shortage of priests and that he was appointed parish priest somewhere in the diocese but that post was deleted only a week or so later. And not just that, everything about him was deleted except for very old info, just like it was with Fr. Teyrnon mentioned earlier.

On top of that we were told that Fr. M hurt his back! A lot of people are damaging their back at Wonersh!

So what is going on? What is the seminary and Clifton trying to hide?

The website for the seminary hasn’t been updated for over two years, the names of the missing priests are still listed.

Funny enough that wikipedia has removed Fr. Teyrnon but Fr. M. is still listed as being on the staff.

There was a fourth “Queen”, though not belonging to the magnificant group of three: “H”. He also claimed to be the Rector’s favorite and number one student, and the Rector was very open about that “H” was indeed one of his favorites.

As with the other “Queens” , “H” could do whatever he wanted, he even got the Friday off so he could travel back home, while other students were told they had to much free time if they asked for time off for a doctor’s appointment or similar.

In September this year the police showed up at the seminary and arrested “H”.

The Rector told us not to mention anything about it to anyone since this would have serious consequences for the seminary and would make very bad headlines in the media.

Most info about “H” on the internet has since been removed.

Reliable sources have said that he was arrested for pictures and movies of underage people on his computer?

H” was a student at Maynooth and involved in the sexual scandals, abuse and bullying going on there. He was asked to leave the religious order he belonged to back then. In September 2016 he came to Wonersh. There was no secret what he had done and been involved in at Maynooth, so how the Rector, and most of all, the Bishop and vocation director in Clifton, could let him in, is a big question mystery.

Right after his arrest vocations director of Clifton was removed. Where he is now is a Clifton secret.

It should also be mentioned that “H” in 2018 openly suggested that there should be more control over the student’s use of the internet and that he was willing to help the rector with this since he (“H”) is a former IT engineer ?

The rector seemed open to the idea but it was never implemented – and we should be very glad it wasn’t, that would have given “H” control over interbet security at Wonersh”.

PAT SAYS

What the hell is going on in Wonersh?

It needs a film:

CARRY ON WONERSHING 😊

113 thoughts on “ALL NOT WELL AT WONERSH SEMINARY.

  1. Lilly the Pink 1st Dec 2019 — 9:53 pm

    Girls, grow up. 😳 This is the stuff of a panto!😂

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    1. Yes lol. Staring the trio that like to preform as woman fr Gerry and pals. Lovely little act they preform at the seminary talent show. Pretending to be women or gays. sadly it’s not a panto it’s a horror show ..

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      1. I’ve seen a recording of that talent show. Funny and awkward but I guess In light of what is being said slightly disturbing

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      2. Anyone having a recording of the this “show” , pls share or upload on youtube. It was awful to watch three priests at the seminary pretending to be girls.

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    2. Lilly the Pink aka FR Jerry Ewing ? is the star of the Panto.
      But which character is he portraying ?
      Write your guesses below lol

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      1. That’ll be an extra 50 quid, dearie.

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  2. I hope Wonersh goes the way of its junior seminary at Mark Cross, which later became a ballet school before becoming a jihadi training camp and then derelict.
    https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/st-josephs-seminary-jameah-islamiyah-school-mark-cross-sussex-july-2012.72405/

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  3. Henry left Maynooth in 2014.

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    1. Not Hugh Connolly. 2nd Dec 2019 — 7:36 am

      God left Maynooth in 1795

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  4. Joseph Lollard 1st Dec 2019 — 11:11 pm

    Hello Bishop.
    What’s the source of that report, please?

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    1. What business is that of yours? Do you think Pat is going to reveal his sources to you?
      You post a lot here about corruption in the CC. So this blog is quite compatible with your narrative. No?
      Notwithstanding all your anti-Catholic bile, you appear to become overly and anxiously concerned at the mention of criminal behaviour in seminaries. Strange?

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    2. “Joseph Lollard” wrote the following on 27th November 2019, 4:24 am:
      “In the Harvard Divinity Bulletin Fr Orsi’s article is sub-titled, ‘Modern Catholic sexuality is a dark and troubled landscape’.
      Certainly no other body of Mainstream Christians has tolerated depravity to such an extent as as (sic) the RCC.”

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      1. Based on the timing of “Joseph Lollard’s” posts, he goes to bed very late – e.g. 26th November 2019, 1:49 am – and rises very early – e.g. 27th November 2019, 4:24 am.
        He doesn’t need much sleep for an “old” man…Less than 3 hours according to the above dates and times. Very peculiar?

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    3. It sounds like one of your Anglican theological colleges, Joe.
      “In the early Sixties, the principal of Ripon College, Cuddesdon, was Robert Runcie, later Archbishop of Canterbury. Runcie is a man of immense personal kindness as well as charm, and a supporter of women’s ordination; yet the regime he ran could have been guaranteed to break up families. At Cuddesdon in the early Sixties, students’ wives were kept at a greater distance than their dogs. Women were only allowed in the college once a week, for tea on Saturday, and all students, whether married or not, were expected to attend services at seven each morning and 10 at night. Preparing for ministry was something which men did together, and from which women were, at best, a distraction.
      Of course, in some colleges, preparing for ministry was not the only thing men did together. The first thing that I saw in the gatehouse at Westcott was a postcard from the Rt Rev Derek Rawcliffe, an elderly retired bishop who “came out” on television earlier this spring, thanking the students and faculty of the college for their support. Homosexuality is the last great shibboleth in the Church of England: the cause that divides the liberals from everyone else, and which splits theological colleges from each other. In some colleges, notably St Stephen’s House in Oxford (which refused to allow me in to watch them), camp has, at times, been the defining characteristic of the place. The early novels of AN Wilson, in which screamingly camp ordinands get up to pranks such as summoning the devil, are based on his experiences at a theological college; and gay friends assure me that they are hardly exaggerated at all. At St Stephen’s, during one period, all the ordinands were known by girls’ names. Dr David Hope, made his reputation cleaning up St Stephen’s in the Seventies. For his pains, he acquired the nickname Ena the Cruel.”

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      1. Lilly the Pink 2nd Dec 2019 — 11:10 am

        10:14
        Your stupid comments are very peculiar.😣

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      2. Most of the former St Stephens girls ended up in RC dioceses like Westminster, Northampton, Birmingham, Salford, East Anglia and such places.

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    4. You are exhibiting very inconsistent and bizarre patterns here Joe.
      Is this blog affecting your sleep?

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      1. Joseph Lollard 2nd Dec 2019 — 4:58 pm

        Walter Mitty 2nd Dec 2019 — 12:27 pm
        ___________________________________________
        Thanks for your concern, Walter.
        I’m eight weeks off eighty and just hanging around, ‘Waiting for God’.
        An effectively inoperable gastric problem has me near-housebound and sleeping most of the twenty-four hours.
        When I’m awake then I’m awake; but it’s all very unpredictable.
        +Pat’s blog is a great help.
        Every day it’s telling me that there’s many people worse-off than myself. At least I still have my sanity.

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    5. “Lilly the Pink” – please advise as to how my comments are “stupid” and “peculiar”.

      Don’t be infantile and puerile, please.

      Back your banal assertions with cogent reasons.

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      1. Been drinking too many preprandials Joe?…Must be the cause of the gastric problems?

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      2. Lilly the Pink 2nd Dec 2019 — 11:04 pm

        12:31pm
        Have you nothing to occupy your time other than monitoring times and dates of posters comments?
        Then you attempt to sound pseudo- intellectual, like many of your pompous clerical colleagues.
        Pray the night office and stop being nasty. It’s not Christian.

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    6. Is it not obvious ! It’s come from someone who was present at the time. To report Comments made by the Rector surely that person had to have been there? Unless I’m confused ?

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      1. “Bullshitter of 2019” award goes to…Joseph Lollard!😂😂😂

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    7. The Church of Ireland Gazette.

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  5. Dark times at Wonersh it seems.

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  6. Henry was in a Romantic relationship with Michael Byrne.

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    1. Hahahahaha not true.

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    2. Dear drunk Maynooth ex-seminarian at 4:32 AM,
      These false allegations are not helpful when dealing with real abuse issues in Wonersh. These immature comments that try to implicate Byrne in everything are tiresome and disturbing. If you have evidence to back up your words by all means share it. My guess is that you are a disgruntled seminarian reject with severe mental health issues. I bet Byrne even calls/called you a friend, which makes your constant focus on him all the more insidious and regrettable. I hope the pain you are in heals and that God forgives you for this deplorable nasty behaviour.

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      1. You are hiding in Mullaney’s Wadrop.

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  7. As you rightly say 0953-its a pantomime!
    “He is behind you!”
    Mind you don’t break your back over there in Norway!
    Irrespective of your terrible grammar and innuendo some of the facts are correct. We all relate to the disappearances and bullying at St John’s. Some others are going the same way and need your prayers.

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  8. There were two ordinations to the priesthood from Wonersh recently. John Promise, a Nigerian, ordained for Portsmouth diocese and Simon Davis, ex Oscott, ordained for Northampton diocese.
    The respective bishops and the seminary would not have accepted them for ordination if your assertions about their backgrounds were accurate. They will be under scrutiny now and the people who promoted them may be asked to explain themselves. Well done shyster!
    This all sounds like sour grapes from a sad little loser!

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    1. Maybe sour grapes yes, but has made claims that can be checked. .

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  9. Fr Michael Fountain is pp at Corsham!

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    1. corsham has an excellent Panto this year. Staring Fr Micheal and pals 🙂

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  10. Recent reports that Liam Ring the safeguarding officer in Clifton diocese has just left. Lynne Murray the CEO is advertising for a replacement. Good luck with THAT!

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  11. When I get my hands on my Seminary documents courtesy of GDPR I will bring one current Irish Bishop, his predecessor and senior retired members of an garda siochana to Court for cover ups of a serious nature.

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  12. Fly on Th Wall 2nd Dec 2019 — 8:15 am

    Ya could not make it up hi. Yep get the film folk on board. Keep diggingggggg hi

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  13. Does Clifton diocese still have a “Ride for vocations”?
    https://cliftondiocese.com/vocations/priesthood/

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  14. Fr Kevin Dring was much loved by his parishioners at Hove. He was assigned to Womersh a couple of years ago and is Director of Human Formation. He is a fine person and I cannot imagine he would be in the least satisfied with what you have described. His Bishop and the newley appointed Archbishop of Southwark are in an excellent position to intervene. I hope they investiigate and take appropriate action.

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    1. Spineless

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    2. Jury is out on this comment !

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    3. Pat. FR Kevin Dring was Cormac’s secretary. The worm holes keep appearing. Let us wonder if this one goes anywhere !

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  15. Okay, let’s get real about these seminaries (they all seem to be of interest !) and the whole business of vocations.
    Firstly, the current seminary system is not fit for purpose. We have rehearsed this theme on this blog many times. It is quite clear. Male dominated. Isolationist. Semi-monastic. Unsuitable buildings. Clerical culture. Questionable quality of staff and teaching. Lamentable formation, particularly human and emotional development. An odd theology of elitist priesthood. Etc. etc. etc. Not to mention the many high jinks that staff and seminarians seem to get up to with one another and with others. Somebody needs to take a hard and harsh look at the seminaries that we have, and take some action
    Then, would you seriously invite a young man (and yes, he has to be a man) to become a priest ? To be honest, I think diocese could be done under the misrepresentation of goods act ! What they are enticing young men in to is a clerical culture of priesthood that is dysfunctional and unhealthy, both for the individuals concerned and for those with whom they will have contact as priests. These young men may be full of good will and a desire to do good and be of service, but what they are led in to is a self-perpetuating culture that should have a health warning written all over it.
    Yes, there is something seriously, systemically, theological and humanly wrong with our seminaries and with priesthood as currently envisioned and practiced. Time for radical change. And we know what that means, don’t we ? Again, rehearsed many times on this blog. And I speak as someone who is a priest and who knows that whole business from the inside. And before anybody goes off on one at me, remember I am honest enough to say it as I see it.

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    1. 9:54
      Thanks. Good comment.

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    2. You have entertained us too much. So, so repetitive. And everyone knows your an old nun lol.

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    3. 9.54: I agree with your every sentiment. Having been ordained in late 70’s after a reasonably good formation back then, theologically, academically, philosophically etc….I quickly realised that the real learning only came when attempting to live out the ideal of priesthood which I had embraced. I discovered that I was spiritually impoverished with just a little by way of relevant spiritual formation, had very little knowledge of the dynamics of celibacy and sexual and emotional growth. I learned through my mistakes and from the wonderful witness of many great parishioners. The culture we live in, the changing nature of faith, religion and parish have all been radically transformed to the extent of making the present living of priesthood almost an irrelevancy. Having to redefine and rediscover meaningful, relevant priesthood is very challenging. So much needs to change: kill clericalism in all its forms: allow women be deacons and priests: allow a married priesthood: acknowledge and affirm the sanctity of all the baptised and be courageous (Spirit filled) to let all recognised gifts be placed at the service of the community: more humility and more visionary service. Each priest can do only so much but the vision, thinking, theology and spirituality of priesthood needs a radical rethink. In my early 70’s, I feel sometimes that i just want to hide away, escape, relive and reimagine my life but having given many years to the Church I still feel the need to belong and that I continue to maintain a sense of usefulness as I endeavour to imitate Christ, failing frequently, not the laws of a broken Church, which in my remaining lifetime will become more broken. “Lord, to whom shall we go..?”..

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      1. You sound like a priest that’s made an honest go of your service. I don’t agree with all you’ve said, but want to thank you for your service and honesty. That’s all you were asked to give and you did. Freely. Thank you. Shame so many are not the same ..

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      2. Sounds like you’ve had a reasonable living out of it. You were ordained, voluntarily at the age of at least 25, there was no conscription and you could have given up the free house etc at any time but you didn’t. So less of the “poor me”.

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      3. Good post @ 6:48pm..
        Thanks for your honesty. It’s refreshing. I wish you well.

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  16. 8.51: You’re still on your bar stool pedestal, MMM!! If you concerned yourself with as much diligence to the well being of needy and struggling people in your community (inspired by your good without god ethos) as you do to catholic issues, you might contribute more meaningfully to a better world. Get a grip, you fool.

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    1. To the obvious nasty drunk Cleric, clearly on a day off, stop attacking people on here such as old Joe Lollard and now switched attention to MMM.

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      1. @11:48: Nobody is “attacking” ‘old Joe Lollard’.

        His tedious and tendentious comments are just being mirrored back to him.

        Joe Lollard likes to forensically scrutinize other’s posts. Can his comments not also be subjected to like analysis?

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      2. MournemanMichael 2nd Dec 2019 — 2:42 pm

        Thank you Anon @11:48. That idiot you refer to as having a day off is clearly unable to distinguish between my customary comment style and some other individual thinking to “impersonate ” by using MMM. Perceptive regulars recognise the difference. I disregard such rants as of no value and ignore them.
        MMM

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      3. 11.48: I’m not a cleric. I follow this bl9g. I work hard all day long. Occasionally I make comments on this blog which I’m entitled to do. I’m also free to comments on MMM’s crap when appropriate. Ok – Stuff it.

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  17. All the trouble at wonersh started with Joe M making advances towards Lawrence . Fun fact .. Both Clifton

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    1. All the troubles here at Wonersh started when Archbishop (now Emiritus) Peter Smith appointed can. Brian Coyle rector.

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      1. Where does Amy ex of Southwark now reside? Nasty character.

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    2. Is this refering to the blog from the a few weeks ago?
      Sounds like the events at wonersh are continuously unraveling……
      What next?
      Who is Joe M is there something I’ve missed?
      Following ….

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      1. Joseph megaher very quiet seminarian. Just got caught up with the activity there. Seen others getting away with things. Had too much to drink and made a pass.

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    3. Well are you sure about that? Jo M used to have a girlfriend!
      I never took him as bi! Although I thought it was strange him frequenting the gym as a spectator when Lawrence Doyle was exercising. So it sort of makes sense. He is not the most good looking of blokes and I find it hard to believe that any other man, especially one like Lawrence, who is straight as a dye, would find him attractive. Jo does have some anger issues and these could be the consequence of his sexual repression and his projected piety.

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      1. You meant straight as a dyke

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      2. Straight, gay or bi it doesn’t matter as such they all aim for chastity and eventually celibacy. Point is, whether he like guys or not, he should make a pass. Likewise to say no to such pass, is the right thing, whether he is gay or not.

        Plus, wasnt Lawrence Ex RN, in shape young lad. My knowledge of the navy is pretty limited but officers tend to have some perks. Think about it, if he was gay, and actively seeking why would he go to the church? As a sailor he is well off, he has an uniform and in shape. Ideal for dating…..

        You all seem to focus on the wrong thing. Sexuality isnt the issue as such. The issues is the bullying, harassment, sleeping around, and so on…

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  18. Not even a pretence of safeguarding for Clifton seminarians now. Keep your arses well covered lads!

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    1. straight as a dyke in your dreams gringo!

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  19. Jo Lollard works as a night carer.

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    1. LOL!!!🤣🤣🤣

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    2. Lollard is the one who needs night care 12:26 pm. God bless him, at his age!

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  20. Update regarding the Scottish Paul Coyle of Dublin ?

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    1. Ask kevin 😉

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  21. Junior, have you anything constructive to offer other than nastiness?

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  22. Amy McDonald lives in a very expensive apartment almost opposite St George’s Cathedral! You are correct a very nasty character

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    1. Still alive then? She was supposed to be at death’s door years ago. Has Newman possibly worked another miracle?

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      1. No she made a miraculous recovery and turns up now to the opening of an envelope. A right bitch she was. I think someone had loads of dirt on her and she retired well before her time. Evil nasty person.

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    2. A nasty queen more like. Amy ran Oscott and resided in Rome for many a year and there are many stories of her time there and her acquaintances. If you crossed her then you would very quickly know about it. Would stab not only the back but front as well.

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    3. Who is she?

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      1. Ex Arch of Southwark. Amy ice queen McDonald.

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  23. Simon Davies is ex norbitene, ex oscott seminarian. He was ordained by Alan Hopes in the summer. Why do these men move from seminary to seminary????

    He is now a priest in East Anglia… might be worth a story on his own. If anyone is interested in the link between Liverpool and him.

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  24. Is the strange Italian Giovanni still there? Any mileage in the link with him and the Fr Tyron?

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  25. I’m suprised Coyle is still there. Anything on the relationship of him and one Viper in Westminster?

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    1. Viper was an Anglican exchange student at the VEC when the chimney sweep ex-Rector of Wonersh was also a student in the VEC.

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      1. Chris liked shopping in the Safeway on Wood Green High Rd. Sometimes he even shopped alone.

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      2. Viper is a mega madam. Ex vocations director for Elsie and well known flamboyant presence on the Lourdes pilgrimage. She wanted to join the SPR but was rejected.

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  26. Pat I strongly think Joe Lolliard is a rector from London.

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    1. More like a former Gaynooth formator. That logorrhoea is very recognisable.

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  27. Buckley look in the mirror.

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  28. All this scandal in our church. The seminary system ! Where to begin.
    I hope all involved know that we all sin and all can be forgiven. With honesty and contrition.
    If living in fear or desperate, remember Jesus loves and is merciful.
    The truth is the way out.. as the saying goes take your medicine like a man.
    And set yourself free from fear etc in trust of God’s mercy .
    I would respect any honest man that came clean.

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    1. I agree “Be not afraid”
      For me the biggest scandal at Wonersh was the report of the Rector FR Jerry Ewing making a homily, where he managed to make an enuendo about having had plenty of bottoms. During the mass ! That shows ethos imo.

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  29. He has just “disappeared”, Bp Pat, which is normal practice, although falling downstairs backward is an unusual add-on extra.

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  30. Pat, the crackpot Looney bins who get high on clerical gossip are intriguing. They, the various commentators, seem to be queenie types sitting behind lace curtains, crocheting, gossiping and are sexually thrilled by it all. The feminine name calling is absurd and it typifies very clearly that many are frustrated bats, looking for titillation in the sordid, perverted details of their fantasies. Lads/queens – for God’s sake, grow a pair of man balls! And the same applies to you, Bucko.

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    1. Don’t listen to her ravings, Bp Pat.

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      1. He’s terribly butch. He gets it from his mother.

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  31. I hope this thread on Wonersh will run for a few more days, Bp Pat, for some light relief.

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    1. Wonersh is an unrepresentative population of drug-crazed Muscle Marys, Men Who Love Too Much Cologne and sad bitches with cold sores.

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  32. Once mighty US Church is heading for penury status because of clerical abuse:

    https://apnews.com/621efb9528384f278c71a97308404531

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    1. The lawyer wants one-third of any payout. That’s outrageous.

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  33. Pat, big new job for Msgr. Joe Mc Guinness of Clogher. It was announced at weekend masses in his parish- he’s got some job in Maynooth with the bishops. He said he was surprised but deep down he is delighted because he hates being in a parish and having to mix with real people!!! Clogher is well rid of him.

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    1. McGuinness is a dead loss and Maynooth/bishops are welcome to him. Clogher is rejoicing to get rid of this waste of space. When he was teaching in Enniskillen before Priesthood he could never make a decision as he was so indecisive that it caused great frustration. When Administrator of Clogher he made the most awful decision of cutting Masses in all the wrong places. Total disaster and liability. Sounds like the sort of person the Irish dim Bishops want to work with. You couldn’t make it up.

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      1. Timmy’s Wife 3rd Dec 2019 — 11:47 am

        My Timmy wanted that job. He’s inconsolable. He’s took to the bed and I can’t rouse him.

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  34. The Roman Catholic Religious Order called the Institute of Charity aka Rosminians has its house next door to the Wonersh Seminary outside Guildford Surrey
    I draw blog readers attention to the BBC One Documentary documentary “Abused: Breaking the Silence” told the extraordinary story of how the internet helped expose a culture of violence and abuse at two Catholic prep schools in England and Africa that went back at least 50 years. Account followed account. Rory Johnston, a former pupil of the school in Soni, alleged serious and repetitive sexual abuse at the hands of Fr Bernard Collins I.C.
    Fr. Collins now resides at Derryswood next to the Wonersh Seminary. I understand he is not the only Rosminian priest accused of abuse residing there.
    Has the Diocese of Arundel and Brighton granted faculties to these clergy? If so are there restrictions? For how long did the diocese know of the criminal behaviour of these preists? For many years the Rossminians were in charge of the Bexhill on Sea parish within the Arundel and Brighton diocese- Who was there from the order and were there ever complaints?
    The questions can go on and on. My point is the that we may have further negligent conduct on the part of the Arundel and Brighton diocese.
    If people do try and follow this up I wish you well. I have had years of stonewalling from this diocese. Admit nothing. Say nothing is in reality the true episcopal motto!
    On the matter of Henry Balkwill surely someone who reads this blog must have further information to finally confirm the rumours of his arrest and the issues surrounding that arrest.

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  35. A little more food for thought. Last I heard was Rector Kim jong-un Coyle was extremely concerned about Clifton’s Tom Lawes. Lawes apparently vandalised the bar in his time at Wonersh and got blind drunk during a selection day, but Kim Jong-un was more worried about Lawes’ traditional standpoint and views rather than his misdemeanors. But Lawes has played a blinder.
    Stuart Ford of Clifton, formally best friends with Lawes has fallen by the wayside. Lawes reported his bestie Ford for harrasment. Ford has since been benched/ put on ice and told to leave the seminary for now!
    Ford now lives with the former VD of Clifton as he works on his… Wait for it… Yes you’ve guessed it. His deep pyscholgical issues diagnosed by Rocket man Kim Jong himself. Coyle refers to himself as Kim Jung-un Coyle, would Sigmund coyle not be a better choice.
    Anyway, so Lawes who has a father in a senior position in Portsmouth Diocese is due to be ordained and survived Kim Jong’s discernment by throwing his friend under the bus. Ford hopes to return to Wonersh after his transformation whilst living with the VD. Anyone that believes Kim Jong-un Coyle will be allowing Ford’s return has not been following very carefully. Ladies and Gentlemen please put your hands together and applaud the brilliance on Fr Kim Jung-un Coyle and the embarrassment of a Diocese, Clifton. What a fine mess they’ve managed to muster up. It’s not a panto, it’s not a horror show it’s an utter disgrace and embarrassment..the story at wonersh just keeps on coming..

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  36. Pat please open the comments for Kevin Connolly, a lot of people are waiting to comment. Thank you.

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    1. Yes Pat, please hurry. The vultures are circling and they can’t circle all day you know!

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  37. Pat, this blog is very bad. Think of the poor people that you are painting in such a bad light. Without knowing any truth. Shame on you.

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    1. FR Matt Anscombe. Vocations director bragged and advertised his Clifton students as the magnificent 7.

      18 months on where are the magnificent ! And their VD.

      The PRIDE before the fall from the top.

      VR. Anscombe replaced as VD.
      1. Lawes. Due to be ordained
      2. Ford. Suspended after harrassing Lawes.
      3. Corrigan. All good there.
      4. Balkwell. VD and seminary golden boy, arressed 2 months ago and expelled.
      5. Meigh. VD golden boy, at the center of Lawrence’s demise in 4th year.
      6. Bright. Expelled for supporting Lawrence’s complaint.
      7. Lawrence Doyle. Left in middle of the night for believed own safety after being advised to by clergy. Expelled for doing so with no explanation to date of what really happened from seminary or Clifton.

      FR Anscombe and the diocese of Clifton. St Luke’s who screen these guys, and the seminary staff. Take a bow, outstanding job.

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      1. Oh dear! Abbreviations! It took me a bit to realize how VD is being used here. I thought it indicated God’s judgement against the unrighteous clergy. Not unlike Felix Unger.

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    2. FR Matt Anscombe. Vocations director bragged and advertised his Clifton students as the magnificent 7.
      18 months on where are the magnificent ! And their VD.
      The PRIDE before the fall from the top.
      VR. Anscombe replaced as VD.
      1. Lawes. Due to be ordained
      2. Ford. Suspended after harrassing Lawes.
      3. Corrigan. All good there.
      4. Balkwell. VD and seminary golden boy, arressed 2 months ago and expelled.
      5. Meigh. VD golden boy, at the center of Lawrence’s demise in 4th year.
      6. Bright. Expelled for supporting Lawrence’s complaint.
      7. Lawrence Doyle. Left in middle of the night for believed own safety after being advised to by clergy. Expelled for doing so with no explanation to date of what really happened from seminary or Clifton.
      FR Anscombe and the diocese of Clifton. St Luke’s who screen these guys, and the seminary staff. Take a bow, outstanding job.

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    3. Joe. I see your point.. but what I see is Pat giving the opportunity for the truth.
      The church hides and lies it seems ! We have all read and seen enough to all know that by now.
      Any lies on this blog are if course bad, so I guess the old saying.

      Read between the lines or no smoke without fire might be worth considering whilst reading pat’s blog.

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  38. Pat, why can’t we leave comments on the Kevin Connolly item?

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  39. reader in the knowledge 3rd Dec 2019 — 12:27 pm

    Bakwel was not arrested. he was questioned by the police for financial irregularities regarding his dead father’s estate. he then had a brakedown and threatened to kill himself and was hospitalised by the polic. he is still sectioned

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    1. The Wallstreeter 3rd Dec 2019 — 2:53 pm

      That’s BS. Why did the rector order us to keep quiet about it then? Unless the seminary visinvolved in the financial irregularities? After all, we all know thatbHenry was can. Brian’s and mgr. Jerry’s golden boy and favorite. (Sorry Gustavo, but that’s the hard truth).

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  40. Someone is blowing a smokescreen here!
    The story at St Nics is that no one to contact Henry who was arrested at Wonersh and that the diocese is supporting him and cooperating with ongoing police investigations.

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  41. Straight, gay or bi it doesn’t matter as such they all aim for chastity and eventually celibacy. Point is, whether he like guys or not, he should make a pass. Likewise to say no to such pass, is the right thing, whether he is gay or not.
    Plus, wasnt Lawrence Ex RN, in shape young lad. My knowledge of the navy is pretty limited but officers tend to have some perks. Think about it, if he was gay, and actively seeking why would he go to the church? As a sailor he is well off, he has an uniform and in shape. Ideal for dating…..
    You all seem to focus on the wrong thing. Sexuality isnt the issue as such. The issues is the bullying, harassment, sleeping around, and so on…

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