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THE SAD CASE OF THE THURLES SEMINARY SUICIDE!

THIS WEEK I HEARD FROM A FORMER SEMINARIAN OF ST. PATRICK’S COLLEGE, THURLES WHO HAS WRITTEN TO THE GDPR OFFICER OF CASHEL AND EMLY DIOCESE REQUESTION HIS DATA.

He received the following reply:

We have reviewed the documentation transferred to the Archdiocesan office on the closure of St. Patrick’s College and it does not contain any personal data relating to you. We will delete the copy passport which you sent to us and will not retain a copy on file.

If you are not satisfied with this response, you may refer the matter to the Data Protection Commission, 21 Fitzwilliam Square South, Dublin 2, D02 RD28.

The ex seminarian is indeed referring his case to the Data Protection Commissioner.

He finds it difficult to believe that, having spent two years in the seminary, there is no record of his time there.

He is particularly confused because during his time there he made several statements to the Gardai on happenings there!

He is also deeply concerned because, during his time there a fellow seminarian, Michael Deegan RIP, committed suicide in 1994 in St Patrick’s College, Thurles.

The ex seminarian had heard from Michael that he was being bullied and stalked by homosexuals within the seminary.

These people were putting gay pornography under Michael’s door during the night.

The ex seminarian brought the pornography to the college authorities.

Nothing was ever done and poor Michael took his own life.

In the case of Thurles and Michael Deegan he was being sexually stalked and harassed in his first year – when our English priest friend say the abusive material on his bed and took him to complain to Father Fogarty. That was 1991. He died in his third year when he was 20 going on 21.

PRIESTS RAPED DEAF BOYS

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Once again, filthy, verminous, Romanist, paedophile priest-pimps.

As King Henry II said of another Romanist pimp, Thomas Becket:

‘What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household who allow their lord to be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric!’

Imagine a world free of the Romanist, child-preying PIMP.

What a TRULY beautiful thought!

(Just musin’, like.😆)

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+Pat wrote, at the end of his post: PRIESTS RAPED DEAF BOYS
https://youtu.be/BiqSfz79tPM
Did you you watch the full nine minutes of that video, MC?
The first four minutes are a news-report, with comment, on yet another case of the RCC still moving paedophile-priests about.
But the really important content is in the next five minutes – that interview with Tom Doyle.
The RCC’s biggest problem is NOT – repeat NOT – paedophile priests.
No. The RCC’s really big problem is the Papacy and the Bishops.
Think about it.
Overall only a small proportion of the Roman priesthood are, or ever were, paedophile perverts.
But it’s clear that the Papacy and the entire Hierarchy, along with the Orders, have all – the whole damned lot of them – been actively collaborating in the various criminal conspiracies which left the perverts free and at large to continue with their crimes against children.

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JL, I make no distinction morally between those Romanists who rape or sodomise (or otherwise sexually assualt) children or adolescents, and the Romanists who facilitate and/or enable these atrocious crimes through standing by the legal perpetrators, refusing to report them to the police, and collaborating in their relocation (where, almost inevitably, the legal perpetrators continue to prey sexually on the vulberable). Morally speaking, they all are child abusers; they all are paedophiles, even if legally this is not the case.

In moral terms, someone who approves the murder of another is as culpable (is as much a murderer) as the one who carried it out. Likewise a Romanist who protects a fellow Romanist who has sexually assualted children, adolescents, or adults.

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The Catholic Church is full from the top down with unconscionable psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists who are masters of camouflage, deceit, diversion and manipulation.
They will try to destroy anyone who attempts to expose them or stand in their way.

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@6:19 am, The fact that 7% of priests in Australia were paedophiles is not a “small proportion”. That percentage is staggering.

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Yes 9:09. And that official 7% figure in Australia is probably much higher as many clerical sex-abuse victims never come forward.

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who is the SDLP councillor displaying a body picture on Grindr, acts as an ultra conservative catholic, but sends pics of his wotsits. wonders never cease

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Not me folks! Just this eejit again with propensity for lurid comment.
Just so you know.
MMM

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How sad. I would not expect much from the data commissioners office. I’m a former Irish seminarian.
I experienced harassment for months from a much older seminarian who the authorities in the seminary knew to be actively homosexual. They were also made fully aware of my situation. They subsequently ordained him.
A closed unaccountable power based system is bound to end up corrupt. It is now chronically toxic.
Bishops take responsibility. Be men, if not men of God. Be men.

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I bet some of these little scumbag bullies are now priests.
My fist is clenching at the thoughts of what they put that poor lad through.
Sociopaths and Narcissists don’t attempt suicide or suffer from suicidal ideation. But they do drive other people to same and are adept at turning everything upside down by presenting themselves as victims. Emotional blackmail is their forte.

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You have to play hardball with these psycho fuckers. Any other approach doesn’t work. They have NO fear of God because they don’t believe in Him.

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I’ve had dealings with the data commissioners office. A complete waste of time. What they can do and what they will do aren’t necessarily the same.

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The theme of stalking homosexual gangs in seminaries repeats itself over and over from seminary to seminary. Those sems who were the victims are the outsiders, those labelled as malcontents and liars. The victims are to this day ‘victims’ living in silence. The unfaithful, aggressive and highly protected groups of homosexuals moved forward to ordination and quick promotion – hence files moved or destroyed as an urgent means of rewriting history. I opened my mouth about this behaviour once and it was he worst mistake I made, I am ashamed to say that I simply suffered in silence after that. Was I sexually assaulted? Probably, came with the territory sadly! To this day I am labelled as not trustworthy etc, all because I gently spoke to authority figure about the torture of another seminarian. This chap was tortured! Sadly I have survived by putting my head down and watching those aggressive men move and thrive. D&C is a prime example, all those in key positions; how my friends did you get appointed? Very sad situation my Church is in! I moved forward in dignity serving as best I could dealing with my own history and past. I have spoken to professionals in recent years and I can conclude that seminary was intrusive, abusive, left one voiceless and open to psychological power abusing deans wielding the sword of expulsion etc. I spent 15 years getting over the traumatic experience of seminary and am now beginning healing within me! Seminary systems need closed and another way found to genuinely train priests.

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6.14
Probably? You said you were sexually assualted…’probably’? Because it ‘came with the territory’? Are you a fantasist? If you were sexually assualted, then you wouldn’t be in any doubt about it. Which, clearly, you are.
And you lived in silence about a seminarian who was ‘tortured’? How was he tortured? And why are you keeping quiet about this? To protect your, er, sacred priesthood? Your self-perceived status and your privileges?
Maybe I’m leaping to the wrong conclusion here, but are you a moral coward?

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You’re on the ball here Magna. I too had the same questions in mind as I read 6:14’s comment.
MMM

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Tis the season …. Thing is even if we sort out the clergy something else will take it’s place. In terms of child protection Let’s not loose Baby Jesus in the shopping centre or the loansharks palace this Christmas Ho Hi Ho

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The Roman Catholic Church, especially in countries like Ireland and the UK, needs to take a close look and a lesson from what happened to the Labour Party in the recent UK elections. People who are tribally connected to something like a political party, almost as an act of faith, have deserted the Labour Party and gone elsewhere. This has been the case in Scotland for the last number of years, where Labour, usually the dominant party, has been decimated. The point I am making is that institutions, political parties, churches, organisations, who are dominant at any particular time, cannot automatically count of people remaining faithful for ever. The question of trust is paramount, and when that trust goes, then the people will go. That is happening to the RC Church in our countries. The Church has lost credibility, integrity and trust, and people see this and are beginning to move away. Yes, indigenous church goers are being replaced by recent arrivals, but they too in pretty short order will sense the rot at the heart of the Church in our countries and will move away in time also. The RCC in these countries, and in many others, is facing an existential danger, in great part because of the sick malaise that is at its heart, namely clericalism, unaccountability, coverup, looking after their own needs, and ignoring that people who support them. The abuse crisis is just the most obvious sign of the malaise, but its causes go much deeper and hint at grave dysfunction at the heart of the RCC. Our current leaders appear incapable at charting a way forward, in great part because they do not have the intellectual or imaginative vision to see a way forward, coming as they do and being as they are products of the system imbued with a clericalist mentality, and a sense of the Church as a particular model. They exacerbate the malaise by their inaction and their blindness. Just like the Labour Party, the RCC is going to find that its core supporters will get fed up with their antics and look elsewhere. It is already happening. Suddenly it will implode one day. The rot starts slowly and you barely see it happening, and then suddenly it engulfs you. You have been warmed.

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Try the CofE. Their particular church model conforms better to your wishes. Or is it that you think the Catholic Church is the True Church, so becoming an Anglican is out of the question?

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Certain ‘priests’ were commenting here the other day that you had to ‘play the game’ to get through Maynooth or you were out.
That says it all really that apparent candidates for the priesthood were prepared to sacrifice their consciences in order to ‘play the game’. It’s no wonder these so-called ‘good priests’ look the other way when confronted with evil.
The end never justifies the means.
It’s better to have a clear conscience and live in truth in the real world than to ‘play the game’.

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I wonder if those ‘certain priests’ will tell us the ‘nature of the game’, ‘the rules of the game’, and whether the faculty were ‘involved in the game playing’ .If so to what extent and how many? This carry on is totally outrageous. It is an appalling outrage, young men aspiring to serve God, have their lives destroyed as a result of going into a supposedly catholic seminary. It’s sounds more like a sewer.’By their friut’s you will know them.’

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Bishop Pat, any news on the grapevine, about the publication of the report into the Bill Kennelly case,( Fr. John Shines nephew), and who knew what, when, and why it took so long for this case to come into the public domain.
Seems like major foot dragging is occurring. Concerns Waterford diocese.

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No news of that report. Some will want it hidden permanently.

Did you know that Phonsie was recently sunning himself in San Jose, California?

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Some will most definitely want it permanently hidden. One to watch.
Didn’t know his lordship was in San Jose. They get about, don’t they. What was the occasion, or was it a holiday in the sun? Wonder if the one cold shower a day, in San Jose, was sufficiently cold!

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The usual explanation of the RCC about people falling away from the Church is to focus on consumerism, and how that has tempted people to move away. In part this is true. But, let us not use it as a full reason, because @ 9:34 hints at some very real reasons why the Church needs to be watchful. There is a complacency in the RCC about what is really happening, and it consoles itself with false explanations that lay the reason at the failure in faith of the people and their being enticed by things of the world. That’s very much a partial explanation. The other, more sinister, explanation is what is happening at the heart of the RCC and in particular in its clerical hierarchy, structure, organisation and model. That has a malaise at its heart, with the result that people no longer have implicit trust in it, and begin to see it in a more critical light, and eventually look elsewhere. The RCC only has itself to blame for this. No longer are people willing to follow blindly some kind of muscular christianity model of faith which is delivered to them as a complete package with a threat that if they dissent they are excluded. That bullying attitude of power and coercion is no longer acceptable to people. Add to that the distrust, the lack of integrity, the abusive malaise in the clerical culture and ranks, and it is no surprise that people look elsewhere. If I can work this out for myself, why can’t our leaders ? You never really hear them talk about this stuff. Instead, you hear appeals to stay close to the discredited model that they see as the truth, with implicit threats of exclusion if you do not or dare to question what they are up to, or to see faith from a different perspective. It’s a recipe for disaster. People simply won’t put up with that any longer, and will rebel, revolt, turn away……

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There is nothing ‘muscular’ about the modern Catholic church. It has been completely feminized. You are caught in a time warp there buddy.
Men are disappearing from the pews because modern liturgies are so saccharine.

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True 11:27.

10:55’s post is the usual watery drivel spoken by a liberal one step away from atheism.

MMM, I as a believer am not qualified to speak about the belief systems of atheism or lack thereof – atheism always appears somewhat confusing to me because atheists say they don’t believe in anything but their own thought processes; the fact that purely material beings do not have the ability to self-reflect never dawns on them and that because the human intellect therefore must be immaterial and immortal because of its powers of self reflection is a bit too much for their stunted reasoning abilities to consider – therefore why do you qua atheist consider yourself qualified to comment on Church issues?

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@ 1224 and his post of the Latin Mass – Really ! Look at all those young men. Old fogies before their time, prancing around in birettas with colour pompoms, and dressed up like pantomime dames. Really ! That is not where the Church needs to be. It’s a minority interest sport designed to divert attention from the real issues facing the Church, and hauling in very questionable, young, suggestive, and frankly not sufficiently manly and robust types. It provides a little bit of light entertainment, that’s all.

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An excellent comment @10:55. Comments like yours and @ 9:34 should be compulsory reading for all bishops. But reading it wouldn’t be enough. As you and 9:34 point out, there’s too much vested interest in continuing in the safety of what they have and the limitations of what they understand from their own outdated training.
MMM

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12;18
Child rape and molestation plus covering up of such crimes is not simply a Church issue.
Its a very serious issue of public concern.

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MMM, Atheism is the most narrow minded and limited ideology there ever was and ever will be. Why? Because atheists willfully close their finite reason in on itself and absolutize it.

Atheism is extremely dangerous because a battle of individual absolutized reasons then ensue. Who wins in such a desert bereft of any objective moral order? Usually a strong, charismatic demagogue who rules with an iron fist. The demagogue becomes a god. Just look at Kim Jong-un in North Korea for a live example.

Any good that is contained in secularism is Christian in origin. You had the benefit of being brought up in a Christian country and received a good catholic education. Billions of others around the world have not been so lucky.

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I disagree. I am a 100% believer. As we face life and go through life we are invariably required to ask about meaning. Different people, for all kinds of different reasons, will opt for a meaning to their life according to their own insights and experiences. It’s not my perspective, but, atheism is a valid perspective.

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@12:18, are you confused about atheism or humanism?
Yes there are strident atheists like Dawkins who appear to try to “logically prove” the irrelevance and futility of religious belief. But I suspect many quiet atheists simply find no reason to follow a deity based faith belief. For humanists, like myself, we do not seek to “disprove” religious belief. It’s just that we can not find any logical rational reason to believe and follow handed down religious beliefs many of us now perceive as what we have been seduced into in impressionable childhood, subsequently maintained and perpetuated by combinations of family/community ethos and vested interests of “propagators of the faith” in the form of the ministers, priests, and all the other hierarchies whose interests lie in promoting both their beliefs, and their consequent contingent status.
I have no “need” to disprove religion. Those who wish to have me “believe” need to offer some form of proof of it’s foundations and value beyond their own personal beliefs and lauding it as a panacea to be followed regardless of its authenticity.
And in response to someone above inferring I have no right to comment on faith matters: is that really the best you can do to justify your own belief system? I’m entitled to express my perception and welcome intelligent feedback, even that critical of my position. It gets me thinking, while other more limited comments just reveal to me the poverty of thought therein expressed.
MMM

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Instead of philosophising and reminiscing about your time in a seminary in the 1940s, stick to what you’re good at, MMM, which is necking pints of Guinness and asking for “pics”!

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I go to a church that is inner city and very ethnically, culturally and racially diverse. It is full. The recent incomers, who are very welcome, bring colour and joy to the parish. For them, I know, the RCC parish is a comfort blanket and very familiar to them. Nothing wrong with that. But, they do know that all is not well, and they know that the model is not perfect. They too, in time, will question what is happening, and they too will make decisions about whether they want to continue been a part of a discredited church and support dysfunctional and untrustworthy clergy. It’s already happening. I wonder do any bishops read this blog and take note of the sorts of sensible and considered things that people are saying about THEIR church ? There is some nonsense on this blog, and some unnecessary salacious stuff, but there is also some serious consideration given to what is happening in our church. And, what I pick up is that people are not happy, and it has to do with leadership, with the clerical culture, with the discounting of different and varied groups of people, including women and those whose lived relationships don’t match perfectly the received wisdom of catholic teaching. In addition, people are horrified to the core of their faith by the sins that have been committed by those in whom they have put implicit trust and faith. This means that all is changing in these years, and yet there is little understanding of this, I think, amongst those who are supposed to be our leaders in the faith. Except more intransigence and denial. I’ve tried to engage with the Archbishop in my diocese, but all he seems to want to say is that I must be angry. He just doesn’t want to engage with me about what I and others see as very serious lacking in the church and in the leadership of people like him. He just wants us to keep quiet and not raise issues that are painful. He’s on a hiding to nothing, and will be in for a shock in years to come. It’s sad.

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Well, you need to listen to her, I would suggest. She’s on the ball. You sound as though you still live in the age of denial and coverup.

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11.34: I cannot disagree with your incisive, balanced comment. As a priest for almost 40 years I saw the turning of events many, many years ago but never thought they would evolve to the extent of almost making my life seem irrelevant apart from special times of celebration and ritual. I am always inviting parishioners to come forward and “own” their parish community, endeavouring to be as inclusive as possible for and towards everyone. It is only by dialoguing together at parish level to initiate a welcoming and inclusive outreach and recognise the gifted among us that we will become the true community of Christ. The larger pucture is overwhelming and almost irreparable in its present brokenness. Yet, something new may emerge in time through the power of the Holy Spirit that will be entirely different. I hope. For now my energy and focus is to give of my best to the people in my parish and work collaboratively with them to create a caring, Christian, welcoming parish. I despair quietly at the leadership of the Church: I am deeply upset for the many that walk away: I have total sympathy for them. Can you engage with your local parish and bring about greater change, renewal and newness of service for your own community? It is a start. It may not be a popular thing to say but – many, many priests genuinely feel totally demoralised with the present crisis of leadership and feel drained of creative, imaginative and spiritual vision which we had in the earlier years of ministry. Only that I sought professional therapy and spiritual guidance I’d have left long ago. Now, I see the importance of discerning positively where best to focus my renewed commitment and energy. I don’t wish to spend my life shouting (my views and disgust are known many times over) against the system where my work, life, faith and vision may be smashed to the point of no rerturn.

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12:48: A well considered comment from one trying to “make the best of a bad job.” Indeed you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.
MMM

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You have commented to this effect several times but you seem not to see that your position is that of an indentured servant. You despair of the hierarchy, but you are forced to concentrate on your own parish and comment anonymously here. You are unable to do anything about the horrendous situation in the church because you are the servant of the institution, kidding yourself that you are making a difference in your parish, when in reality you are one of all these supposedly good priests who aide and abet the church’s corruption and cover up. You make me sick.

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Anonymous You didn’t leave long ago because the free house and watching ITV4 dramas in the afternoon over a plate of Hobnobs have their own attraction.

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The Thurlas case raises lots of questions. What about duty of care to seminarians? Was there any accountability to anyone in this sad case? Did the seminary faculty know of the harassment? Were the Gardai involved at any point? etc….

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At the moment there’s a legal case involving Wonesh , there’s a legal case involving the Liverpool vocations director and when Fr Marsden left Oscott their comment said nothing could be said because of a legal case

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Oh no 1:05 pm. You would love people to ‘move on’, which will not happen until justice is served.

You can try to rubbish this blog and its commentators all you like. Won’t work.

Of course, based on your comment you miss the irony in the fact that you have taken the time to post a comment here, on this ‘rubbish blog’.

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Another classic derailment technique, to make out that the problem is caused by the target, and say it is because they are unsuitable and rejected. This argument is typically used by most psychopathic people who made it through seminary by ‘playing the game’ and heavily features projection of their own unstable personality onto others.
When you are wise to this technique it is so obvious that it is hilarious, viz.
‘The seminary system is broken and allows sociopaths without conscience to get through while those who want to be celibate are harassed out of the door’
‘You think that because you are an unstable reject.’
It is very obvious that this is not a response to the proposition and in fact is a complete non sequitur.

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Getting a wee bit uncomfortable @1:05pm? There’s no forgiveness without justice. Your comment is a superficial, shallow, ignorant abusive remark, but typical of those in denial, refusing to acknowledge clerical and hierarchical corruption. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

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From: The Munster Express Newspaper online edition.
Ex-priest sent forward for trial
Published on Friday, December 13th, 2019 at 2:56 pm
“A former Catholic priest has been sent forward for trial accused of possessing child pornography.Oliver O’ Grady appeared in Waterford District Court last Tuesday December 3rd. He is accused of possessing a video of an underage girl being sexually abused, found at an address in Waterford in 2015.
Mr O’ Grady worked as a Catholic priest in California in the 1970s before returning to Ireland in the early 2000s. Mr O’ Grady appeared in Waterford District Court last Tuesday, December 3rd, before Judge Staunton, who referred his case to the next sitting of Waterford Circuit Court.
Judge Staunton directed Mr O’ Grady that if he wishes to rely on alibi evidence for the trial, he must give notice within fourteen days. Barrister for Mr O’ Grady, Andrew Walsh, told the Judge that O’ Grady would not be making an application for bail, but he did make a request for legal aid on behalf of his client, with the appointment of Solicitor Tracy Horan and one Junior Council to the case.
Mr Walsh also told the Judge that the Book of Evidence for the case had “parts of pages missing text.” Judge Staunton requested that this matter “be attended to as a matter of extreme urgency.” O’ Grady was remanded in custody to Midlands Prison to await trial. He will appear in Waterford Circuit Court on this matter on January 14th 2020.”
For full story see The Munster Express newspaper

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I wonder what Mr. O’ Grady was doing in Waterford and if Mr. O Grady had ‘friends’ or former ‘
colleagues’ in the locality to support him.

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In my 70 years of experience I have noticed two types of human being. Those that are inclined to live moral lives and those who are not. In the case of the Church I do not think it matters whether a man’s inclinations are to homosexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality or paedophilia. As someone noted previously the issue is whether the person is celibate or not. The real issue is whether these men prey upon other innocent men, be they 12, 22 or 2 years old. I know men who have joined the church to gain access to such people (eg Lawrence Doyle at Wonersh).
Sexual incontinence is rarely considered to be immoral these days not only in the world but also in the church.
If the church is serious about the sanctity of marriage, the need for celibacy and chastity, there is a mismatch between its teaching and its practice. The church need to exclude dangerous men who intend to discover and pervert other virgin men. It seems that the paedos are characterised by being loners who so not engage with human formators. Homosexuals operate as gangs. Come on Church hierarchy-get a grip.
If it considered inappropriate for promiscuous men to be accepted for seminary or the priesthood then
In a 2018 article for the Catholic World Report, Professor William Kilpatrick slammed the “looming scandal” of “the Church’s facilitation of an Islamic takeover of much of the Western and non-Western world.”
“For years now, Catholic leaders — the pope, bishops, priests, Catholic media, and Catholic educators — have covered up the large gap that divides Islam and Christianity,” he observed.
“Instead they have poured all their energies into emphasizing the similarities between the two faiths, while simultaneously decrying ‘Islamophobia’ — a term which seems to refer to any criticism of Islam,” he added.
Kilpatrick warned that “bishops whose sense of sin is limited to man-made climate change and the building of border walls are less likely to notice the approach of other types of evil.”
Looking forward, he also forecast: “It is probable that clerics who saw no danger in the rise of homosexual networks in the Church will also see no danger in the spread of a supposedly ‘peaceful’ fellow religion — even though that religion has a long history of subjugating other cultures and religion.”
“By the time that they do notice the danger, a great deal of — possibly irreversible — damage will have been done,” Kilpatrick added.

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The sem should ask St Patrick’s College, Thursles what records they have. The college still exists. I was shouted down on this blog a few weeks ago by an angry man who said it was pointless asking seminaries, as the diocese had records. Clearly in this case they do not and the refusal was carefully worded, referring to records sent to the diocese. The seminaries did not send their entire persnnel record on a student to dioceses, just annual or half-year reports.

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You are wrong whomever you are 3:06 pm. My diocese had my entire personnel record on file.
You are right in calling me angry. I am filled with a burning righteous anger at what is going on in the Church.

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@3:06, My diocese demanded and received all my personnel record from Maynooth for me. I would not trust to approach Maynooth directly.

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2.37: It is quite obvious that you haven’t studied psychology, sociology or history and that you haven’t read any studies on clerical sexual abuse. Your analysis is far too simplistic and is purely a personal opinion but bears no relation to the reality of the scandal or reality of paedophilia in the priesthood, which is a gravely moral disorder and cancer. The second part of your comment re: Muslims and Christians is not relevant on the issue of the blog today.

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2.00pm: Tough if you don’t accept my bona fide on the years of ministry and service which I’ve given. I am no hero or saint but I know one thing – that I have achieved a great deal through my 40 years plus of ministry. I am not surprised at your ignorant comment and cynicism. The hatred you hold in your heart prevents you from seeing goodness in the many dedicated priests among us. No one person can solve all the myriad of problems and that is why I try to discern those with special gifts and involve them in all relevant and fruitful ways. My legacy in parishes is well appreciated, as is that of many others. I guessed a comment like yours and it’s not the first time that you’ve screeched cynical, hateful tones against clerics. Go vomit on someone else’s comments, armchair critic!

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5.37: You should just ignore the cleric haters. They usually have a nasty cynicism about them that’s best ignored. They add nothing to meaningful debate. This blog givesvthem a forum to dish out their venom. As Jesus says – ” Pray for those who persecute and hate you…”.

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The topic of today’s blog is the death of a young man in an Irish catholic seminary.
The young man was known to have been harassed by fellow students.
8:02pm believes clerics are the ones persecuted.
Thousands of survivors of clerical abuse worldwide have come forward. But 8:02pm considers clerics the ones persecuted. The abuse of power is rampant in the Rcc, but 8:02pm feels clerics are persecuted. Pathetic.
As well as so many moral cowards in the Priesthood, there’s also many morally arrested individuals masquerading as Priests and Bishops.
“If you remain in my word you will become my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free”.
( Jn.8.31-33.)

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2.00: So what if the commentator has said similar before. Isn’t he entitled to express his views and without your type of hate filled nonsense? I would bet you are the cohort of those who just love making noises but who do absolutely nothing to make things better. Your lot make me sick.

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9.03: Learn to read properly and not interpret what only you want to hear. I refute your conclusions. Yes, clerics are persecuted and ridiculed..Their faith and commitment is thrashed apart here frequently. But forget about me: I am able to seek the help I need and thankfully I have paid for men to seek counselling out of their abuse. Tell us without twisted cynicism what you are doing for those who need support. Give us your panacae for righting all wrongs. Oh, I forgot, this effort requires intelligence and vision and and an ability to be rational.

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11:40pm
You and your colleagues are compromised. It’s that simple. The public are becoming more aware of the culture of corruption in the institutional church from the top, down. Clerics and Bishops are responsible for destroying countless lives both in Ireland and across the globe, all for the glory of God? The Bishops don’t give and didn’t give a damn. How dare you question me about what I’m doing or have done to support people. Last week, an African woman disclosed to me, she was raped by clergy as an adult. You are not persecuted by long shot. The answer is not going to be found in debate. The answer lies in metanoia, conversion to the Gospel and Jesus Christ.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we here about similar cases from Wonersh in the future unless the madness and coverups going on there stops immediately.

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