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HUNDREDS OF ACCUSED CLERGY LEFT OFF CHURCH’S SEX ABUSE LISTS.

Jan 1, 2020 by Claudia Lauer, Meghan Hoyer, The Associated Press

Joey Covino poses for a photo Dec. 18, 2019, at his home in Saugus, Massachusetts, with a photo of himself as a 9-year-old boy. Covino was abused by Fr. Richard J. McCormick at a summer camp in Massachusetts in 1981. (AP/Elise Amendola)

Richard J. Poster served time for possessing child pornography, violated his probation by having contact with children, admitted masturbating in the bushes near a church school and in 2005 was put on a sex offender registry. And yet the former Catholic priest was only just this month added to a list of clergy members credibly accused of child sexual abuse — after The Associated Press asked why he was not included.

Victims’ advocates had long criticized the Roman Catholic Church for not making public the names of credibly accused priests. Now, despite the dioceses’ release of nearly 5,300 names, most in the last two years, critics say the lists are far from complete.

An AP analysis found more than 900 clergy members accused of child sexual abuse who were missing from lists released by the dioceses and religious orders where they served.

The AP reached that number by matching those public diocesan lists against a database of accused priests tracked by the group BishopAccountability.org and then scouring bankruptcy documents, lawsuits, settlement information, grand jury reports and media accounts.

More than a hundred of the former clergy members not listed by dioceses or religious orders had been charged with sexual crimes, including rape, solicitation and receiving or viewing child pornography.

On top of that, the AP found another nearly 400 priests and clergy members who were accused of abuse while serving in dioceses that have not yet released any names.

“No one should think, ‘Oh, the bishops are releasing their lists, there’s nothing left to do,'” said Terence McKiernan, co-founder of BishopAccountability.org, who has been tracking the abuse crisis and cataloging accused priests for almost two decades, accumulating a database of thousands of priests.

“There are a lot of holes in these lists,” he said. “There’s still a lot to do to get to actual, true transparency.”

Church officials say that absent an admission of guilt, they have to weigh releasing a name against harming the reputation of priests who may have been falsely accused. By naming accused priests, they note, they also open themselves to lawsuits from those who maintain their innocence.

Earlier this month, former priest John Tormey sued the Providence, Rhode Island, diocese, saying his reputation was irreparably harmed by his inclusion on the diocese’s credibly accused list. After the list was made public, he said he was asked to retire by the community college where he had worked for over a decade.
Some dioceses have excluded entire classes of clergy members from their lists — priests in religious orders, deceased priests who had only one allegation against them, priests ordained in foreign countries and, sometimes, deacons or seminarians ousted before they were ordained.

Others, like Poster, were excluded because of technicalities.

Poster’s name was not included when the Davenport, Iowa, diocese issued its first list of two dozen credibly accused priests in 2008. The diocese said his crime of possessing more than 270 videos and images of child pornography on his work laptop was not originally a qualifying offense in the church’s landmark charter

After he was released from prison, the diocese found Poster a job as a maintenance man at its office, but he was fired less than a year later after admitting to masturbating in the bushes on the property, which abuts a Catholic high school. Still, the diocese did not list him.

Poster went on to violate the terms of his probation, admitting he had contact with minors at a bookstore and near an elementary school, federal court records unsealed at the AP’s request show. A judge sent him back to jail for two months and imposed several other monitoring conditions.

Child pornography was added to the church’s child abuse charter in 2011 and, though the diocese promised it would update its list of perpetrators as required under a court-approved bankruptcy plan, it never included Poster.

“It was an oversight,” diocese spokesman Deacon David Montgomery told the AP.

He said the public had been kept informed about the case through press releases issued from Poster’s arrest until his removal from the priesthood in 2007.
Poster, now 54, lives in Silver Spring, Maryland, near a school and two parks. He hasn’t been accused of any wrongdoing for more than a decade and declined to comment when reached by the AP, saying he preferred to stay out of the spotlight.

Of the 900 unlisted accused clergy members, more than a tenth had been charged with a sex-related crime — a higher percentage than those named publicly by dioceses and orders, the AP found.

Dioceses varied widely in what they considered a credible accusation. Like Poster, some of the priests criminally charged with child pornography weren’t listed because some dioceses said a victim needed to report a complaint. In addition to Poster, the AP review found 15 other priests charged with possessing, distributing or creating child pornography who were not included on any list.

Other dioceses created exceptions for a host of other reasons, ranging from cases being deemed not credible by a board of lay church people to the clergy members in question having since died and thus being unable to defend themselves.

“If your goal is protecting kids and healing victims, your lists will be as broad and detailed as possible. If your goal is protecting your reputation and institution, it will be narrow and vague. And that’s the choice most bishops are making,” said David Clohessy, the former executive director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, who now heads the group’s St. Louis chapter.
The largest exceptions were made for the nearly 400 priests in religious orders who, while they serve in diocesan schools and parishes, don’t report abuse

Judge Timothy Feeley, left, addresses former Fr. Richard J. McCormick, 74, Aug. 10, 2015, in Salem Superior Court in Boston. (AP Pool/The Boston Herald/Faith Ninivaggi)

Richard J. McCormick, a Salesian priest who worked at parishes, schools and religious camps in dioceses in Florida, New York, Massachusetts, Indiana and Louisiana, has been accused of molesting or having inappropriate contact with children from three states. In 2009, his order settled the first three civil claims against him. Yet he does not appear on any list of credibly accused clergy members.

McCormick finally faced criminal charges after one of his victims spotted the priest’s name on a very different list — one posted in 2011 by a Boston lawyer, Mitchell Garabedian, who represents church sexual abuse victims.

Thirty years had gone by, but Joey Covino said he immediately recognized a photo of McCormick as the priest who had molested him over two summers at a Salesian camp, a woodsy retreat for underprivileged boys in Ipswich, Massachusetts. Covino’s boyhood had revolved around church, where he served as an altar boy, played in a Catholic Little League and where his mother — raising four children on her own — gratefully accepted assistance from friendly priests.

When she sent Covino and his brothers back to the free camp for a second year, “I was petrified — petrified — and I couldn’t say anything. I couldn’t even ask my brothers to see if it had happened to them,” said Covino, now 49 and a police officer in Revere, Massachusetts. “I’ve always told myself I should have done something. I should have fought back.”

Covino said the entirety of his adult life had been altered by McCormick’s abuse — failed relationships, his decisions to join the military and later the police, nightmares that plagued him. His decision to come forward led to McCormick being convicted of rape in 2014 and sentenced to up to 10 years. The priest since has pleaded guilty to assaulting another boy.

The Salesians, based in New Rochelle, New York, have never posted a list of credibly accused priests.

“Our men who have been credibly accused and have had accusations have been listed in the various dioceses that we serve,” said Father Steve Ryan, vice provincial of the order.
Ryan said he was certain McCormick’s name appeared on several lists, including Boston’s.

Boston Cardinal Sean O’Malley arrives to the Santa Maria alla Vittoria church March 10, 2013, in Rome to celebrate Mass. (AP/Domenico Stinellis)

But when Boston posted its list in 2011, Archbishop Sean Patrick O’Malley wrote that he was not including priests from religious orders or visiting clerics because the diocese “does not determine the outcome in such cases; that is the responsibility of the priest’s order or diocese.”

O’Malley since has called on religious orders to post their own lists, spokesman Terry Donilon said.

The AP found the Boston archdiocese has the most accused priests left off its list, with almost 80 not included. Nearly three-quarters, like McCormick, were priests from religious orders. Another dozen died before allegations were received — another exclusion cited by the archdiocese.

McCormick also is not on the New York archdiocese’s list or lists posted by the Archdiocese of Gary, Indiana, and the Diocese of St. Petersburg, Florida — both places where he faced accusations. The archdiocese in New Orleans, where McCormick served in 1991, added his name to its list of credibly accused priests only after an inquiry from the AP.
Priests named on any list were excluded from the AP’s undercount analysis, even if they were not named on lists in the other dioceses where they served.

Because the AP counted only priests left off all lists, critics say the number of 900 unnamed priests represents just a tiny portion of the true scope of the underreporting problem.

Other priests excluded from the credibly accused lists were left off because of findings from the diocesan investigations process.

Review boards — independent panels in each diocese staffed with lay people to review allegations of abuse — make the initial recommendation on whether an allegation is credible. The standards those boards use to investigate claims and the process itself often is so shrouded from public view that some victims say they weren’t allowed to attend when their allegations were discussed.

Dozens of priests whose accusers received payouts or legal settlements were left off credibly accused lists because review boards deemed the accusations not substantiated or because bishops or even the Vatican later overturned the board’s findings on appeal. The standards for Vatican appeals are even more secretive.

“You can’t put much stock in the lists that the church voluntarily provides because they cannot be trusted to police themselves.”
— Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro

In 2006, the Chicago Archdiocese’s review board investigated a claim from two brothers who alleged a priest named Robert Stepek had abused them. The board found “reasonable cause to suspect that sexual abuse of minors occurred,” but Stepek was restored to good standing in 2013 after a Vatican court said it was “unable to find evidence strong enough.” The court found Stepek engaged in inappropriate behavior for a priest, however, and he remained without an assignment under restrictions until his death in 2016.

The AP found about 45 accused clergy members who did not appear on the Archdiocese of Philadelphia’s list of credibly accused priests. The archdiocese said they were excluded for a variety of reasons, including deciding that about a dozen priests found unsuitable for ministry by a review board due to conduct involving minors did not do anything that rose to the level of abuse.

A spokesman said the archdiocese has a thorough and transparent investigation process, but declined to comment on any of the individual cases of priests not named on its list.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro told the AP that he had to fight church leaders to release a groundbreaking 2018 grand jury report that named more than 300 predator priests and cataloged clergy abuse over seven decades in six of the state’s dioceses, not including Philadelphia.
Several bishops played a direct role in covering up the abuse in Pennsylvania, Shapiro said.

“You can’t put much stock in the lists that the church voluntarily provides because they cannot be trusted to police themselves,” he said.

In Buffalo, New York, Bishop Richard Malone resigned under pressure earlier this month after his executive assistant leaked internal church documents to a reporter after becoming concerned the bishop had intentionally omitted dozens of names from its list of credibly accused priests.

Buffalo’s list has more than doubled to 105 clergy members since those documents were released. Still, the AP found nearly three dozen accused priests who remain unnamed by the diocese.

The number of new claims being reported to law enforcement and church officials over the last two years has increased, spurred in part by revelations of abuse from high-ranking church officials such as former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick and by the Pennsylvania grand jury report and the more than 20 other state investigations launched in its wake.

The AP found more than 130 priests who were accused in the last two years whose names do not appear on any lists.

Another 37 unlisted priests were accused under New York’s Child Victims Act, which recently opened a window for victims to file civil lawsuits regardless of the statute of limitations, a trend being echoed across the country.

Anne Burke, now chief justice of the Illinois Supreme Court, was part of the Catholic Church’s inaugural National Review Board, a commission formed to help implement the church’s 2002 child abuse charter.

“We gave our report and recommendations over 15 years ago. They never followed through. That was the final nail in the coffin as far as we were concerned in terms of the bishops ever being able to pull themselves away … from the bureaucracy and be transparent,” Burke said. “That is why we are here again today, and it’s worse.”
Many advocates say the church has a long way to go toward being transparent and are determined to see that it becomes far more open about problem priests.

Attorney Jeff Anderson, left, points to a chart of sexual abuse perpetrators during a Aug. 14, 2019, news conference in New York, accompanied by sexual abuse victims Birdie Farrell, center, and Joseph Carramano. (AP/Richard Drew)

Attorney Jeff Anderson, known for suing dioceses for information on accused clergy, has released almost 30 various rosters of clergy he has received allegations against or whose names appear in church documents.

“We feel a fierce public imperative to continue to release our lists because those released by dioceses contain only a fraction of the true report,” Anderson said. “And they lead people to believe they are coming clean when they are not.”

It was a list that Anderson’s law firm released in the Archdiocese of New York that led 34-year-old Joe Caramanno to file a complaint, decades after he said he was abused.

Caramanno had been hospitalized for an anxiety disorder when he was a teenager and part of his return to high school involved mandated meetings with a priest who controlled his medication. It was during those sessions that Caramanno said Monsignor John Paddack fondled him.

Caramanno, now a teacher, said it wasn’t until he saw Paddack’s name on Anderson’s list that he felt he could come forward. “I needed the validation that it wasn’t just me. It made it more real,” he said.

The archdiocese’s official list of credibly accused priests, released a few months after Anderson’s, contains only half the names and does not include Paddack, who has stepped down during the ongoing investigation.

“It makes me wonder if I hadn’t come forward … would he still be an active priest?” said Caramanno, who has filed a lawsuit against the archdiocese under New York’s Child Victims Act.

“What matters is one question: Did or does this credibly accused predator have access to my flock ever? Even for a few hours. If the answer is yes, then that bishop needs to put that predator on his list.”
— David Clohessy

An archdiocese spokesman said a request for comment had been relayed to Paddack, but the priest did not respond.
Victims and advocates say the church should be transparent about investigations when allegations are received, arguing that trust in the church can be restored only if bishops are completely forthcoming.

Several dioceses have chosen to include priests under investigation on their lists, removing them if the allegations are determined to be unsubstantiated, but many others do not disclose investigations or include those names.

“Every cleric no matter where they came from or were ordained or went to school or who signs their paycheck … all of that is hair-splitting and irrelevant,” said Clohessy, of the group SNAP. “What matters is one question: Did or does this credibly accused predator have access to my flock ever? Even for a few hours. If the answer is yes, then that bishop needs to put that predator on his list.”

[AP reporters Ryan J. Foley, Adam Geller and Matt Sedensky and researcher Randy Herschaft contributed to this report.]

PAT SAYS

The RC hierarchy keep promising to be totally transparent on abuse – and keep breaking their promises.

For them, their church and it’s so called reputation is the number one concern.

What’s a few hundred abused children compared to their institution’s great history?

Civil authorities everywhere need to realise that the RCC simply cannot be trusted when it comes to children and vulnerable adults.

And vulnerable adults include seminarians too!

States should have state agencies to police RCC safeguarding issues and the RCC should pay the bill for these agencies.

146 replies on “HUNDREDS OF ACCUSED CLERGY LEFT OFF CHURCH’S SEX ABUSE LISTS.”

+Pat: I’ve read this post, and accept the central thrust of the narrative, namely the long standing well recognised covering up mechanisms of the RC church. However I think that the blog, as it reads, is disjointed and confusing. For example, at it’s start, it refers to Richard J McCormick, but then goes on to refer to a Richard J Poster ( is this the same person as McCormick?) without reference to whom ‘Poster’,( previously not mentioned), may be. Is he the person previously referred to as Richard J McCormick? And this R. J Poster is subsequently extensively referred to with no reference to who/where he is.
I’ve previously said to you, and now repeat, that rather than immediately ‘rush into print’, your ‘mission for change’ would be better served by more impartially substantiated and objective clarity.
Regardless, take this as an acknowledgment of, and thanks for the value of your revelations.
MMM

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MMM has fairly put you in your place, Pat! Aren’t you the lucky onethat he keeps you on your toes with pointed remarks and passive-aggressive critiques?

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12.51: The time of Mum’s posting – at 2.05am might be a clue to his criticising Pat and being passive aggressive. He probably just came home after his night at the bar stool.

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12.52 & 2.29
Are you two part of the cabal that made fools of yourselves recently? When you thought you could pull the wool over everyone’s eyes by having one of your semi-literate lot pose as the child of a deceased GP?
I think you are.
And you’re still smarting over that juvenile debacle, aren’t you?
But I’m not gloating. 😯
Really.😆

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3.12: Magna, you’re being utterly ridiculous and stupid in your comments. Your effort to try to embarrass contributors makes you look like a gobshite. Get a grip.

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I hope one day to be famous enough in Ireland to get Darcy to do my funeral. It’s the Irish version of a Twitter blue tick.

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I never knew. I am not Irish but occasionally listened to her RTE podcasts. I think she was also a presenter on BBC2 Newsnight many years ago.

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She was never on Newsnight or on any mainland tv shows. Are you thinking of Martha Kearney? She’s from Ulster and therefore eligible to be on the BBC.

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Mary, Mary quite contrary McAleese explains why she remains a Catholic. It’s because it’s the biggest global NGO apparently.

“What is interesting is how McAleese put aside the imbroglio and stayed committed to the church. In 1975, with David Norris, she founded the Campaign for Homosexual Law Reform and has spoken out against homophobia since. But her son, Justin, could not marry his husband in the church he was brought up in. I tell her it’s hard to understand how she has continued to support an institution she could wage such a polemic against. She takes a bite of croissant and pauses for a thoughtful moment.

“1.2 billion people’” she says. “The church is a hugely, hugely influential institution. It’s also the biggest NGO in the world.

“I’ll stay with it. It’s a deliberate choice. I could leave, I’m free to leave. I choose to stay because I don’t see church as the hierarchy and the curia and the institutional governance structure – which in my view is in serious need of reform. It comes out of an old imperial structure, and like all old empires they’re out of touch with life now. Pope John XXIII started the process, it’s somewhat glacial.”

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/television/mary-mcaleese-on-family-faith-and-the-good-fight-38822030.html

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I am sure they would like her to leave, but its good that she stays to keep the pooves in check. Bp Pat can’t do it all by himself.

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At 1:29 p.m.
Mary has made it abundantly clear that her spiritual home is the RCC. Because she doesn’t see things the way you do you’d like to consign her elsewhere. Ergo, your view of the Catholic i.e. universal Church is too narrow.

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You’re not being fair to Mary here. It would have been better and more truthful if you had refrained from commenting and misrepresenting what she said and let her words speak for themselves. She comes across as a person of integrity.

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She’s so overbearing and bombastic. It’s a well-established fact that domineering mothers produce gay sons, who spend their adult lives seeking out the type of healthy strong masculinity they never saw at home when growing up.

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Why did the old moaner live in a monastery in Rome? With all the public pensions from her various affirmative action appointments you’d think she would pay the going rate in some commercial enterprise.

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It’s an equally well-established fact that domineering mothers produce 20 times more straight sons than gay sons.

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Is David Norris a Protestant? If so, why is he allowed to receive Holy Communion at Mass when even catechumans are not and neither are the divorced remarrieds allowed to?

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It seems the Clogher men will not stand up to Darcy when he tries to muscle in on their parishes for funerals etc. He should be told to stay out. I heard he’s now in a place called Crossgar but he is forever around the highways and byways of Fermanagh.

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And when Brexit is rolled out it may not be very long before it is a lovely part of Ireland in every sense again.

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Pat did you hear about the two aerials who got married? The church service was awful but the reception was brilliant.

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11.30 you the jealous man appears again.
Most christian people who know Brian love him.he can go to whatever part of Ireland he wishes.
You certainly have no christian values.

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Sorry to disappoint you 3.03pm but if you think I’m jealous of Brian Darcy lol you are very much mistaken. I am entitled to express an opinion on this blog even of you don’t like it. Some Christian values you have! A typical Cathbot.

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Relatives can invite whoever they wish to preside over a funeral service.
Thank god we haven’t arrived at a dictatorship yet. 11.30
People own their parishes…not the clergy who come and go.
Grow up you weasel.

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3.03pm & 3.07pm One and the same person no doubt. Speaks of Christian values one minute and calls people ‘weasel’ the next. Sounds a fully paid up member of The Graan Brian fan club society or Grannies.

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3.29 I didn’t mention the word christian in my post about who presides over a funeral.
If you have a preference for a funeral officiator shouldn’t be any problem in any parish.

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Since when did a Requiem Mass become just a Service? I thought only Protestants/Puritans held Services.

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Yes the Merc with (the now fixed) big end is often seen sailing up and down the A4. Last seen flying around the Arney area.

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Brian was checking out venues in the Arney area for the reception when the cruel ban on married priests is lifted.

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I hear Brian has chosen two best men when the cruel ban on married priests is lifted – Nathan Carter in Enniskillen and our wee Daniel from Donegal. Awk it will be lovely it will. No venue arranged yet.

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Mary seems to bother a lot of the clergy. Threatened by an intelligent, assertive, straight talking woman?
More than likely.

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The higher-up the hierarchy involved covering up, the worse the ordeal; but if covering up is committed by those who are tasked with candidate psychological assessing and clearance – well, you get the picture.
It is said that a picture paints a thousand words. We must never jump to conclusions: everything must be based on facts and evidence.

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what? this isn’t a Muslim blog? Jaysus, I thought that image on here of Ali-Pati Al MaBuckley standing outside that great big Mosque in Rome was a dead give away. my bad 😦

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Poster at 5.55, so I’m a twat for demanding of Christians that they provide evidence for their claims that there exists a deity, ever-loving, all powerful, all forgiving… with the bloody, violent, intolerant and pogromatic history that has distinguished Christianity as the antithesis of its profession?

Aye. Right.

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I celebrated a Funeral at a Church in a nearby Diocese early last year at the request of the family. A week later I received a very polite letter from the PP there to return the fee that he insisted was his, as the deceased was buried from his Church and I used his equipment. I gladly dropped off 2 lumps of charcoal, a few grains of incense, a bottle
of holy water, 40 communion wafers, half a bottle of altar wine, a toilet roll and £5 to cover the electricity. Not heard from him since, not even a thank you!

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Total liar. Such a far fetched tale. I see you conveniently omit the name of this place. Your story about Lourdes also lies and no promised photo evidence thus far.

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5.38
I have explained Lourdes – legal action is pending and one of the Clergy involved was not in a good place and this would send him over the edge. He contacted me. He is a good man and I should not have mentioned the photos until I did more homework. I am not a liar.
Re the incident above. The name isn’t important, but is well know amongst local Clergy. You seem to be on here most days and have nothing positive to say about any contributor. You seem hellbent on causing trouble and appear to be a very sad individual. My true story was an attempt to make some people smile, that’s all. God bless you.

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what do you mean pretend? I’ve been dead a long time and I know things! I’ve haunted some very reputable establishments while you were a young fella in the cot. and I know people! it was only yesterday I was welcoming Derek Acorah. Poor fella was shocked to know there’s an afterlife.

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6.29: You’re right Pat. Mary Mc attended every catholic party and garden fete allovervthe country. She praised the Catholic Church for so many things: she embraced every cleric, high and low, religious men and women during her tenure as president. She spoke the Catholic language, spoke at parish events, never raised a comment of concern or unease about the Church’s teachings, rarely referred to any controversies within the Church. Having once admired her and supported her, I have now lost my respect . She is capable of effecting necessary changes within her Church but chooses to act like a patronising granny, behaving in a dismissive manner of almost everyone in any leadership role in the Church. She often spoke eloquently about the wonderfully, courageous women religious she encountered, women who were great leaders – now it seems they no longer exist in her lexicon of heroines! She should step into the every day life of her parish and make a positive contribution toward the upbuilding of her community. She is feted all too often to replay the same old tune and It’s a little screechy at this stage.

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MARY MC ALEESE
Mary only became a “radical” Catholic when her son came out as gay and the church said NO!

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Better late than never, Bp Pat. I imagine you were the same before… well, let’s just say, the church let you go.

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8.15: Of course covering up abuse is ‘dishonourable’. No one could disagree with that. But hypocrisy and double standards are also dishonourable from whoever that person may be, including Mary Mc.

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So very true. Mary was ‘One of them’ abd switched over night.
Never did have time for her, she’s a hypocrite when it suits her!

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‘a hypocrite when it suits’… a very catholic phenomenon. Plenty of company being one of them.

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Years ago our parish priest used to tell a story of taking offertory envelopes which belonged to the next parish to the presbytery there and ringing the door bell. Getting no answer he started putting them through the letter box. After a few they stopped making the noise of landing on the doormat so he looked through the letter box and saw the parish priest of the next parish with hands outstretched to catch the envelopes.
Eventually I started going to mass at the next parish after that.

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8:20
True.
Particularly from clergy and members of the hierarchy who claim to be ontological changed through ordaination.

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In the interests of openness, transparency and accountability let’s have a list in the public domain of credibly accused clergy abusers of children and vulnerable adults along with those who covered up for them.
Maybe then we can begin to take the church seriously.

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The last number of posts evince an antipathy to an articulate and free-spirited woman. Mary McEvoy incurred the wrath of the late irascible Jim McEvoy for receiving Communion at Christ Church Cathedral, an event which led to the late Des Connell’s using the word ‘sham’ to describe the sacramental practice of the CofI.
She threatens a lot of people, who would prefer women to be seen and not heard, as this thread illustrates.

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And what’s your point, Pat, at 6:59 pm.?
So what if it took her personal life’s circumstances to cause her to rethink what she had been taught about human sexuality?
Give her the credit for being sufficiently reflective to accommodate new realities.
Judging by some posts she has disturbed some of the comfortable church members – a definition of the action of a true prophet.

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She’s a counter balance to the condescending pompous patriarchal voices we’ve had to put up with for yonks.

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Speaking about Brian Darcy, that Ray Kelly is on the RTE dancing show just now and he was absolutely hideous and his marks reflected it. Someone only gave him a 2. What an ibex and show man wearing that white glittery number. Awful.

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8.21: May West…that shiukd be Shirley Bassey…aka…the other Waterford Cleric from Francis Brennan fame…the pair of them, Frs. Kelly and Bassey would serve up a hot dish..

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I don’t always agree with you Pat but on this occasion I just have to. That performance by Fr Ray Kelly was atrocious. It was like watching a sack of spuds being trailed around the dance floor. How could you even show your face in public after that? Total nincompoop

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Still not sure why Tom Deenihan signed off on this, maybe he thought it would bring good publicity as well as personal fulfilment for Fr Ray.

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9:36
How is a man appointed Bishop if he doesn’t practice what he preaches?
Who appoints and on what basis or criteria?

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Maybe his management style is to let the local team handle it instead of jumping in and micromanaging?

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Hi Pat maybe you should go on That dancing thing. I’ve seen a few vicars on thenglish one. Putting a R C padre on in Ireland is that not extracting peeeee Sure where are they expected to find a female partner of thopposite sex . Long live mrs doubtfire hi

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im not supposed to say this for professional reasons, and on account of me being a full time spirit, but Ray Kelly won’t win this years dancing with the stars. bit of insight for ye there. don’t mention it

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Good night hi fly.
Begorra fly I doubt if the padre was forced to go on the show so if peeee was extracted it was self inflicted.
Bye bye fly hi.

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Good post 8.05 I suspect you are a woman like myself.
Anyone can change his/ her outlook…I certainly do like Mary Mc A

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