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MC ALEESE TOLD TO TONE DOWN RHETORIC ABOUT THE RC CHURCH.

Chai Brady Irish Catholic

A respected Papal biographer has called on former president Mary McAleese to “tone down the rhetoric” after she said Pope Francis hasn’t done enough to reform the Church.

Dr Austen Ivereigh, who wrote the book The Great Reformer: Francis and the Making of a Radical Pope, tackled Prof. McAleese after she made the comments on the Late Late Show last week.

“Mary McAleese is an important progressive voice, but I think she can be more helpful for the Church if she tones down the rhetoric and looks at some of the concrete changes that Francis has made, and she will be taken more seriously,” Dr Ivereigh told The Irish Catholic.

This comes after she stated the Pope hadn’t met expectations of reform in the Church, saying: “I don’t think he’s been a great reformer in the sense that he hasn’t changed anything doctrinally”.

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Dr Ivereigh said the common mistake conservative voices make about the Church is that doctrine can’t be changed, while liberals believe change can only be implemented by changing doctrine.

“She [Mary McAleese] misunderstands the nature of Church reform. Reform in the Church tradition is always pastoral, that’s to say it’s about enabling the Church to better communicate the Gospel and to enable people better to live the Gospel, so that’s the nature of Church change,” he said.

Prof McAleese, now chancellor of Trinity College Dublin, said the Pope has made positive moves by stoking up debate.

She said since the time of Pope John XXII there has been talk of changing women’s role in the Church but because the decision-makers are men, “that voice is always going to be eliminated by virtue of the structure”.

“Francis in fairness to him has appointed quite a few women to the curia but that doesn’t cut it really, you’re talking about tiny numbers,” Prof. McAleese added.

However, Dr Ivereigh said that he would understand if a person was disappointed with Francis if they were looking at the Church “through the lens of contemporary notion of equality”, but that he doesn’t believe this leads can’t lead to a true understanding.

“For Mary McAleese and for others who think like her, the test of equality would be female ordination and until that happens she’s never going to believe that change is possible…” he said.

PAT SAYS

A few years ago Mary McAleese was going around Ireland licking Episcopal and clerical ass.

Now, she is some kind of liberal?

What changed her?

Was it the coming out of her son as gay and the RCC position that all gays are intrinsically disordered?

When she did a canon law degree in Rome a few years ago many in the city thought she was a nun with a mid life crisis.

I dont like McAleese.

She is a Catholic snob with a notion of herself.

The RCC is in self destruct mode and real reform of the evil entity is not possible.

We can just look forward to the day when it has shrunk in size and importance.

At this stage I’d love to see an RCC free Ireland.

But I’ll settle for a totally disgraced and irrelevant Irish RCC.

124 replies on “MC ALEESE TOLD TO TONE DOWN RHETORIC ABOUT THE RC CHURCH.”

“Brexit and its potential impact on Northern Ireland.. Well, that’s what RTE blurb said, but I didn’t hear it..
Actually the only topic she talked about seriously was the RCC, and I thought she spoke sensibly..

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My favourite porn star is Rocco Steele. personally I feel pornography is an expression of the reality of our humanity. those who say that porn degrades the person lose sight of the fact it is undertaken with freedom and genuine benefit. sex is for procreation not recreation? this is nonsense. sex is for enjoyment. why did God create the male g-spot?

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Mary McAleese may be impatient, but Pat Buckley is positively nihilistic. Ivereigh is wrong about reform being pastoral and not doctrinal — Vatican II brought reform (change) of doctrine on the Jews and on religious freedom. Trent also reformed doctrine. Doctrines that are cruel in their effects on human beings need correction.

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It’s all about Big Mares at the end of the day and her massive ego. If they were kissing her ass and courting her, she would still be the “holy water hen“ she was previously.
I’m no fan of Kevin Farrell – no time for him in fact – but the reason McAleese is furious with him is because he basically told her “sorry honey. You can’t come in here and shout your big mouth off. Go and do that somewhere else but not in here in the Vatican. You don’t get to come into someone else’s territory and shit all over the place. There’s a great big wide world out there for you to do that – plenty of “choices” elsewhere for you pro abortion, ex catholic, former president. So off you go”.
Because he did that, McAleese is viciously spitting poison at him.
She’s a loud mouthed narcissist and an extremely self centred individual who, if she isn’t centre stage, becomes bombastic and spews the worst words in her belly.
She is, by turns, one minute and the next, mawkishly sentimental and obnoxiously furious.
I share your distaste of her, Pat and, for very different reasons, we come to the same conclusions about Big Mares Mac.
The best comment on her is Catherine Tate’s sketches about the Northern Ireland Mother who discovers she has a gay son
https://youtu.be/cOESpIz8Mjg

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Haven’t clerics been shitting all over the place destroying countless lives worldwide knowing they’d be protected?
The clergy don’t like being challenged particularly by an intelligent, assertive, strong woman.
Get used to it lads.

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10.20: Monica dear, have you nithing better to do? Have you washed the breakfast dishes and did you peel the spuds, hoover and go to mass? The kitchen sink is your domain! Stay there Minnie dear and stop defending that hag McAleese! Please.

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Well said, Monica, at 10.20. This site claims to be reforming, but when a woman speaks of reform they dump on her.

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2.20

Wow! McAleese didn’t reject her son because he’s gay, and you think this worth parodying.😕

What’s the real reason for your disdain of her? Does she make you feel insignificant?

Your post certainly is.

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6:28
Spoken like a true white male patronising disrespectful misogynistic chauvinistic anti feminist priest who wears frills, a skirt in the form of a soutane and curiously calls himself Josie. Do you secretly want to be like me lollipop? All woman.
Maybe you’re in the one cold shower a day brigade? Somehow I doubt it.

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I have literally just rolled about laughing at that Catherine Tate’s ‘Irish Mum’s son comes out’ clip on YouTube 😂
I love the Catherine Tate show, I wish she would do another series 🥰

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2.20: You are so correct about McAleese. She has conferred a mother hen attityde about herself, believing that she truky broids over her subjects. Her bombastic, annoying and hectoring style is so off putting. She should calm down, learn a little humility and respect others. She is repetituve and tiresome. She has worthwhile ideas but her disdain for men, albeit it clerical, is unacceptable. Totally.

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You don’t like women with opinions. The vulgarity of your post makes that quite clear. Get used to it. 2:20 a.m. Are you one of those US cultural warriors posting from there, or is it just that you cannot sleep?

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Reform!😂
There’s been talk of reform in the Church for the last 60 plus years.
It’s gone from bad to worse. Reform might take place if enough people took the gospel seriously.
But thats not likely to happen. Too many clerics are having such a good time having the best of both worlds. 😈🙏

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I think you’ve got your wish in the totally disgraced and irrelevant Roman Catholic Church in Ireland. It has already happened, a combination of an Ireland that has opened itself to a wider European, democratic, and diverse outlook; but, also hugely instrumental in this change has been the way the Roman Catholic Church has let itself down and been seen to be a duplicitous, untrustworthy, and coverup institution interested more in its own reputation and standing and its clerical caste. That has been so shocking to people who were prepared formerly to be loyal to it. Not now. And increasingly this will be the case, both in Ireland and in other developed and democratic countries, leaving a small rump of the Roman Catholic Church that will be increasingly traditional, conservative and regressive and populated by those who at at cultural, religious and moral war with the rest of society. Go along to any of the increasing and multiplying number of Oratories (Cong Orat) in the British Isles and you will see what I mean ! Interesting, entertaining and diverting for a little bit of light relief, but so odd and weird, and speaking only to the odd and weird.

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Odd and weird is judgmental and would be said today about anyone who goes to any church regardless of its style of liturgy or views on doctrine , recognise that you are agnostic, you haven’t prayed for years and learn to live and let live.Theres only one change you want and it’s not to the Mass or who leads the Church , you just want to be told officially that’s it’s not a sin not to go to Mass on Sunday that’s all

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I believe that Mary NcAleese would have a greater, more positive effect if she stopped lecturing and condemning in a mate only sort if way. She is an astute, clever and learned woman who has the abity to be a catalyst for relevant and necessary renewal within the Church. However, her dismissive and condescending approach is not effective not fruitful. I agree with.much of what she is verbalising but she is beginning to believe in herself too arrogantly, drowning out other voices of reason and balance. Pat, your desire for the destruction, bit by bit, of the Catholic Church, is your usual, shallow soundbyte. I am still waiting for the powwrful new embers of faith, spirituality and Christianity to spread like wild fire from Larne. Somehow, you are stuck in a time warp of cheap, unenlightening and shallow soundbytes with little of vision or creativity to offer apart from vengeance and put downs of all things Catholic. Be visionary, poetic and imaginative for once. Show us the way.

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Ivereigh is chief apologist for Pope Francis, usually doing extreme gymnastics to place Francis in the most positive light. In his original book, he mentioned that PF was elected by a Saint Gallen mafia clique of a large number of liberally minded Bishops. He subsequently edited this out of later editions of his book. McAlesse is a lady who should say her prayers as opposed to preaching to us

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9.41

So you don’t like Pope Francis.

You don’t like Austin I.

You don’t like Mary McAleese.

You’re easily pleased, aren’t you? 😕

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Bergoglio was elected by ‘A large number of liberally minded bishops (sic) (cardinals).’ Where? At the last conclave, and all appointed by Wojtyla and Ratzinger? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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I didn’t look at the Larry Gogan canonisation, being unable to face Darcy and Prod hymns on an empty stomach but did that Dublin 4 congregation of pro-aborts troop up to receive despite being excommunicates who haven’t been to confession in years?

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Did Darcy refuse to wear a chasuble just like he did in the Graan and did he come out with his tall tale about being told as a CP novice to have custodus oculi and look at the floor when talking to women?

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Why the antipathy towards Mary McAleese? Most of it sounds highly personal, like grudge-bearing.

And does it matter WHY her outlook on the Romanist Church has changed? Surely what’s important is that it has changed.

I suspect thst most of the gripers here today are Romanist clerics, peeved and vengeful that McAleese, a mere woman, is challenging the pretensions upon which the Romanist priesthood is self-servingly built. Good for her.

And **** the Romanists! 😆

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ebony and Ivory don’t go together in perfect harmonyyyy, gas fumes from an exhaust can heighten your sexual needs 🙂

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11.07: I’m not a Romanist cleric and if I was, I would be entitled to express my annoyance at Mary Mc. She visited my Parish as President for a centenary celebration in the 80’s and she applauded the religious and priests of the Parish to a standing ovation. She joined us in the Parish hall afterwards for refreshments and literally embraced every person present. That gesture alone ensured future re-election. She spoke affirmatively and lyrically of the importance of the local church, of the role of faith communities and singled out the clergy and religious by name. She, Mary Mc, throughout her tenure always praised the Catholic Church and supported the essence of its existence. She turned horrifically, like a bitch in heat, against the Church during the marriage equality referendum. Why? We know now. She has a right to her disapproval of what she considers oppressive and harmful but her constant negativity and aggressive criticisms bear little fruition. I’d like to know what this rich, comfortable, wealthy lady is doing for her parish community or indeed what she’s doing for the poor and the homeless. Actions speak louder than words. She has assigned a role of being a God mother to the nation, a kind of matron who feels we’re all in need of her advice, protection and solace. I have little regard for this overbearing school mistress and matron. Let her actually do something useful or involve herself in laudable projects that will actually make a difference to society. Her flowery, hyperbolic language is nauseating. And furthermore, her anti Catholic rhetoric fails to impact on a society that has already made up.uts mind about Catholicism. Mary is puffing and huffing wastefully long after the war is over. What a shame!

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3.05: Brilluant. A woman who has the capacity to bring about real, meaningful change is choosing her patronising, anti-man feminism as a conduit for change. She is so disdainful of men in the Church, I’d run her from the Church were she to visit. This woman has morphed into a hectoring, one story woman. Horrible. If she finds so much wrong with her Catholic home, let her join the Anglicans. Seriously. They’d quickly put her in her place – in the cubby hole!

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3.05

I didn’t say or suggest that YOU were a Romanist cleric.

And if Mary McAleese was more…shall we say?…’receptive’ of the institutional Romanist Church back in the 1980s, weren’t most people alive at the time? Few knew then the absolute corruption and criminality among Romanist priests, especially among the Romanist episcopate.

Mary McAleese was entitled to change her opinion of this instution as report after report of its innate moral rotteness first trickled through to public consciousness, before becoming a torrent that swept away most of the trust it had arrogantly come to expect from Catholics and others over the centuries.

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Mary wasn’t President of Ireland in the 80s.
You don’t like a woman who has strong theological and ecclesiological reformist opinions.

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Magna at 11.07: Howcwrong you are. Thereare luterally thousands who have no time for the ec presudent who is wasting ger energy on lost causes. The “We in Church” movementnl8vevher butsheis tiresomely repetitive, stuck in a groove, playing the same tune. Boring, condescending, repetitive, unimaginative, overly expressive and utterly meaningless. Thecwirld has moved past her. Wish that she would advocate so passionately for the vulnerable and homeless! Her son’s life absorbs her too much. FFS, she should cop on. No one of substance is listening to this pretend critic.

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3:11
Sounds like many clerics in the Rcc. Boring condescending repetitive unimaginative…etc.
You must have insider knowledge.

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It strikes me that most comments here are from lay people not clergy. Trolls like “Magna Carta” see “Romanist” priests under every bed and around every corner. That speaks volumes about where the poor lost soul(s) is (are) “at”.

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Pat, as a keen unionist you are no doubt a dedicated royal watcher. Did you notice that it was revealed during the week that Meghan returned to Canada and rejoined her baby there. This must have meant the baby had been left behind in Canada when his parents returned to England. Has there ever been a more dysfunctional crew than the British royal family?

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1.31: She may be no dope but she has little of importance to do since leaving the Aras. She will soon tire of traipsing around the country pontificating to everyone with her every word full of ”I’ll be your saviour”, ” I know it all” attitude. She hasn’t as yet effected any real change in her Church. Why? She’s a hectoring bore. And I have yet to hear of her doing anything worthwhile in any parish she may belong to.

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2.58
Mary McAleese shows her love for the church by her energy to reform it. You, on the other hand, have no shame about your homophobia and name-calling.

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4.16: Mary NcAleese is not showing much love, tolerance disrespect by constantly sneering at the Church leaders. She was happy to kiss their rings in the not too distant past. She has a right to criticise and ask questions but her utterances are too negative, crass at times and show a complete disregard for any principle of just or fair commentary. Let her go down to Br. Kevin in Church St. and she mught be humbled out of her smugness and comfort.

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2.58: Very, very funny. Mammy Mac has her apron strings tied to her son’s pocket…ha, ha, ha…she’s an intolerably, overbearing Irish mammy.

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6:25
Church leaders don’t show much love,tolerance, respect, for clerical abuse victims/ survivors, worldwide.
Their apologetic utterances are shallow, to say the least. They showed disregard for the gospel imperative not to harm children. They also show total disregard for the principle of no forgiveness without justice. Let them visit survivors and the families of victims prematurely deceased as a consequence of clerical abuse. Let them publicly repent to Almighty God, for crimes committed by the Institutional church.

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Mary McAleese seems to have the Irish monopoly on ‘Christian Feminism.
Over here, in London Archbishop Sarah Mullally, married (to a man) and with children is often in the media attending public events etc,in and she sits in the House of Lords.
If Ireland is now a more open and less misogynist society why isn’t Bishop Pat Storey given more prominence?
Has she ever been interviewed on The Late Late Show?

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Why should a Planter bishop be on Irish tv screens? The days of the so-called Church of Ireland/Ascendency ruling over us are long gone.

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Sorry to sicken your happiness Pat but on UTV on Tuesday at 10.45pm Eamonn Mallie will interview a humble priest called Fr Brian D’arcy. I thought Eamonn had more cop on tbh. One question asked of the celebrity cleric is if he fell in love with a woman during his Priesthood and after a very slight hesitation he answered Yes!! Abother question put to the bashful D’arcy is why stay in the church who tried to silence you? Brian tells us the vast majority of people wanted him to remain within so they could have a voice. Now Pat, if that doesn’t make you want to puke then I don’t know what will.

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4.22: Hey you, writing this trashy comment makes me want to puke – preferably all over you. Woukd you FFS go and find something more useful to do than childishly and stupidly criticise Brian Darcy.

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No, I wouldn’t want you to vomit over me. There’s nothing worse than an alcoholics sick. Wouldn’t want to stand near you either as there’s nothing worse than the smell of alcoholics pores.

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Patsy McGarry has just posted this minute on social media that Evert American preacher’s talks in Ireland have all been cancelled.

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Click to access Pastoral-Letter-Jan-2020.pdf

Bishop Cullinan’s pastoral letter, available on the diocese’s website contains the following claim:

‘There is now a new culture which is trying to undo the truths of the entire Judeo-Christian system from the ground up by redefining the meaning of personhood, of marriage, of the family and classifying people on the basis of their sexual preference…’

The writer speaks about a cultural war and, by extension, cultural warriors. We have seen where this approach has landed the church in the US.

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5:57
Let him address the abusive culture and it’s consequences in his diocese, as well as in the wider Rcc.

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What is so wrong about classifying people by their gender preference? Nobody chooses their birth gender. Isn’t it likely that the proliferation of people identifying as LGBTQ is a natural evolution of the species in order to lessen the prospect of over-population?

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Oh dear, poor +Phonsie has had to make a climb down yet again. It’s embarrassing Pat. We still talk about and recall the public showdown and argument you had face to face with him in the church in Tramore.

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I see D’arcy’s mate Donegan (another headline grabbing seeker) has the Shinners praising him today. At a funeral at Holy Cross he called drug dealers parasites and the scourge of his community. He’s perfectly correct in what he says is our Gary. If he’s worried about the folks of Holy Cross then why in the name of God is he living out in leafy Crossgar with our wee Brian?

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Pat I feel sorry for poor Brian Darcy. He has said today that morale is low among RTE staff after the deaths of Gay, Marian and Larry.

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You bet! It has been the biggest cliff-hanger since waiting for Ben and Callum to get back together. So is that place squeaky clean after all?

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Anonymous, 12th Jan 2020, 7:12 pm wrote, “Must have been a false alarm about Allen Hall, Bp Pat. I imagine lots of readers were looking forward to it too..
. . . . . . .
Either that or, being forewarned, someone was able to obtain a super-injunction.

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7.12pm Injunction by Elsie. Too many Catholic high flying QC’s in London. Thats the talk among clergy here today and phonelines were red hot.

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If that is so, it’s all bound to come out in the wash sooner or later. Just hang on and wait for it all to unravel. Clearly Elsie never learns that trying to put the lid back on the pot never works when it comes to the sins of the clergy. Unlike Wonersh and Oscott, we never seem to get a picture of who’s who at Allen Hall. So which girl has let the school down this time – i.e. got caught?

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They cleaned up Alice Hall in the last number of years so that’s why you don’t know hear much on what’s going on or who the main players are at today. This scandal goes way back to the time when Sems shagged each other and other staff members too. I believe POD was the worst to turn a blind eye and his successors including Barltrop.

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6.39: Sorry for your troubles. Don’t touch booze. Never did but I’d still vomit over you. Get over your Brian Darcy hate obsession.

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Well 8.16pm, you and Magna share the same alcoholic gene, you ever heard of it? It’s common. The other alcoholic trait is denial, you’ve just shown it love. Away back to your port and brandy, the smithwicks and the stout ye old soak.

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8.16: Sorry love, but Magna is the only boozer in my family. I can’t bear the stuff. He won’t stop drinking and his Mumsy has tried everything to help him. We’re now estranged because I kicked him out. Don’t know where he is, don’t care…

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Austin Ivereigh is a smart and shrewd cookie. His guarded language is very telling given what Ireland and Rome already know about her beloved Justin way before he chose to “come out”. Many stories can be revealed about our Justin Mr squeaky clean (not)! So Austin says pipe down Mary not for Romes sake but for your own. Only the very safe can talk about wrong and right Mary and you are not safe. Pipe down or you will be disgraced and it won’t be Romes doing but your own son’s.

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Right and wrong does not apply to the clerical brotherhood who consider themselves
ontologically changed through ordination which confers on them entitlement to do what they like.

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Snitches, really? Can you point out where one Roman bishop or priest has released a scandal on this site????

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6.39: Do you live with an alcoholic or are you a secret one? You seem familiar with the vomit or sick of alcoholics. Just sayin’ like…

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