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MAYNOOTH – CESSPOOL OF LIBERAL THEOLOGY AND GAY SEX AND STOMPING GROUND OF PREDATOR KITTY DRURY.

ANTHONY MURPHY Lumen Fidei 2018REPRODUCED TODAY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GAYNOOTH AND JESUIT PRIOR SCANDALS.

Former seminary priest speaks out on homosexual subculture and exposes the Irish McCarrickFollowing the dark revelations of the McCarrick scandal, former seminary formator, Father David Marsden, decided it was time to go public on the real reason he resigned from Maynooth and why he remains deeply concerned about the presence of a powerful gay subculture in the national seminary.Referendum a forbidden topicThe year is 2015 and debate in Ireland is dominated by the State’s plan to change the constitution to allow pairs of the same sex to “marry” – with such a blatant assault on God’s plan for marriage one might expect the Church to be vocal in promoting the natural law – yet despite the intensity of the campaign there was silence from much of the hierarchy – priests and bishops did not speak – afraid, unsure or compromised – we do not know. But the silence was deafening.
Even in the heart of Catholic learning – the Pontifical University in Maynooth there was silence apart from one lone clerical voice supported by the small group of orthodox seminarians left in the controversial seminary.During a meeting of the seminary council and heads of faculty, months before the referendum Fr Marsden suggested that the seminary hold a Novena or Holy Hour or consider some other prayerful devotion so the seminarians and college staff could unite in prayer for a faithful outcome . Instead of support his idea was dismissed by the President – it was clear that the other priests did not want to do anything spiritual or temporal to defend the teaching of the Church.

In fact Father Marsden was left with the impression that many of the staff preferred to remain silent and not even mention the referendum never mind speak out against it. The staff dining room became a place where the referendum was never mentioned.In the run up to the same sex “marriage” referendum Father David Marsden delivered two powerful homilies in the seminary in which he spoke out strongly in defence of marriage between a man and woman and denouncing from the pulpit the perverted notion that people of the same sex could marry.It was after the second homily that he was called into the President’s office and informed that a complaint had been made against him but the identity of the individual was not revealed to him. Fr. Marsden strongly suspects it was a friend of a homosexual seminarian who made the complaint as the Mass was on a Sunday morning and therefore open to all the students from Maynooth University.Culture of fear: staff afraid to speak outIt was during this meeting that the President aired a concern that Fr. Marsden was becoming a ‘one issue person’ which implied he was becoming anxious that he was speaking out too much about the referendum and homosexuality in general. Fr. Marsden responded by saying the only reason he could be called a ‘one issue person’ in the seminary was because he was the only person saying anything about the referendum or homosexuality. The other staff members were either afraid to speak out or were homosexual themselves!Despite the opposition from the staff Father Marsden received much support and was admired by many of the seminarians. But he was also aware of an active and vocal gay subculture operating freely in the seminary. When the referendum was passed this group became emboldened and had no fear in ensuring the others knew they were gay, sexually active and in the seminary with the full knowledge and support of their bishops.Against this backdrop the seminarians were becoming concerned – the seminary in which they were training to become Catholic priests not only seemed to take a very liberal view of Catholic teaching but also encouraged a gay subculture to develop in the seminary. Exasperated and at the point of desperation one of the seminarians decided enough was enough and decided to write an anonymous letter to the Bishop’s Conference pleading with the bishops to intervene. The letter named seven active homosexual seminarians.It is understood that this letter was sent back from the bishops office to the President of the seminary Monsignor Hugh Connolly but rather than take action to investigate the claims in the letter the seminary council began a witch hunt to discover the author. In the end a completely innocent seminarian was accused based on the fact that he had reported two seminarians – one of them his close friend – when he found them in bed together. No proof was given he was simply accused and thrown out of the seminary.Notorious seminarian threatens Fr. MarsdenFather Marsden challenged one of the most notorious homosexual seminarians about his disordered lifestyle but was given an arrogant response “my bishop knows, the seminary council knows, my spiritual director knows – none of them have a problem with it so neither should you” – in other words shut up this is none of your business. It was after this encounter that Fr. Marsden knew it was now not possible to conduct proper formation in the seminary as such widespread dissent of Church’s teaching was blatant amongst the seminary council and the spiritual directors. It was at this point that he wrote a letter to Mons. Connolly tendering his resignation.

When Father Marsden tried to raise the problems he was seeing in the seminary with the Church authorities the response was to not only ignore his concerns but to ridicule him for raising them in the first place. He recalls one very high ranking cleric stating that “you see gays under the bed!” I wonder what he would think of that statement now in the wake of the McCarrick scandal.In the end Father Marsden could no longer work in the seminary and retain his integrity so he chose to resign from what he describes as “institution riddled by systemic disobedience to Church teaching”It was reported in the secular press during the summer of 2016 that the reason for his resignation was a conflict of theological outlook but this was incorrect. There certainly was a huge divergence of theological opinion with many of Fr Marsden’s friends being amazed at how long he managed to stay in the seminary. It was the issue of homosexuality which brought things to a head. The seminary has long been a ‘cesspool of liberal theology and heterodoxy’ and so those few staff members, down through the years, who maintained a fidelity to the Magisterium were often isolated and subtly persecuted.Dictatorship of blandnessFr. Marsden describes the model of formation in Maynooth as ‘a dictatorship of blandness’ meaning that any sort of vibrant or orthodox expressions of the Faith on the part of seminarians were harshly dealt with and suppressed. In fact the term that was banded about on a regular basis during staff meetings was ‘shadow formation’. This referred to students who went about studying orthodox theology from online blogs and media sites unconnected to the seminary as ‘the tripe they were getting served up by the theology faculty was in most cases utter drivel.’ Father Marsden explained ‘It is my honest assessment that the formation and academic staff in Maynooth are either liberal or homosexual and a significant number are both.’ The liturgy department seemed to be particularly infected with these two issues. One staff member was infamously called a ‘Bin man’ by a seminarian as he hated wearing a Roman Collar and was often found sitting in Pugin Hall endlessly gossiping about seminarians.However it was towards the end of our discussion that Father Marsden informed me of his most worrying discovery – the Irish version of Father McCarrick. Maynooth has long been a hotbed of dissent from Church teaching where elderly liberal theologians like Enda McDonagh retain a high degree of influence on the teaching staff. Another such priest who lived in the seminary until his death last year was a priest of Meath diocese Father Ronan Drury –

reading his obituaries and the praise heaped on him by bishops and the current President of the Seminary, Father Michael Mullaney

one might picture Father Drury as a learned and jovial priest, popular with all in the seminary which was his home for 42 years – he was Professor of Homiletics there since 1977 until his death last year. He was also editor of the liberal Furrow magazine for 40 years.The Irish McCarrick?

Kitty DruryHowever Fr Marsden discovered a much darker and secretive side to Fr Drury – known also by his nickname “Kitty” – needless to say he was a notorious figure among the gay subculture in the college. His behaviour was such an open secret among the students that even the normally cautious Mons. Connolly felt it necessary to inform Fr Marsden that a credible allegation of molestation had been made against Fr Drury by an individual – the complaint was regarding inappropriate touching by Fr Drury of this person. Later, a priest also confided in Fr Marsden alleging that Drury had molested him as a young and vulnerable first year seminarian.

How many more people did Fr Drury molest, were other complaints made against him and what did the authorities do with the complaints. At the very least Monsignor Connolly should have suspended this homosexual predator.

The Catholic Voice would like to encourage any of his victims to come forward with the possibility of speaking in confidence about any abuse they experienced during their time in the seminary. Please use the contact email: info@catholicvoice.ie and we will listen to you in the strictest confidence.A place like Maynooth is a playground for the likes of Fr Drury where he had daily one to one access to young male students. The question for the authorities is who knew, was his bishop informed and if Mons. Connolly was concerned about his behaviour what did he do to protect seminarians.Why was Fr Drury allowed to continue living there with open access to vulnerable young men. It is evident from Father Marsden’s testimony that an active and secretive homosexual sub culture is being allowed to thrive in the seminary with the approval of the ecclesial authorities – some of whom Fr Marsden suspects are also same sex attracted themselves.At the time of going to press numerous attempts were made to contact the various bishop trustees of the college but none felt it important enough to return our calls. The current President of Maynooth was also contacted but he refused to answer any questions about Fr Drury’s deviant behaviour. The circle of secrecy protects it’s own.But the faithful will not accept cowardice or silence and demand an open and transparent investigation into the various scandals which have afflicted Maynooth for at least 30 years – were payments made, who authorised the culture of cover up and secrecy.The only sure way to end the disease in Maynooth is to send the remaining small number of seminarians to the Irish College in Rome and to close the seminary for a year or more until such an investigation is carried out and the recommendations from it fully implemented. The long suffering faithful and those seminarians who have been abused and persecuted deserve such transparency or alternatively the seminary should simply close. It is no longer fit for purpose and certainly not a place to send our future priests for formation and parents should do all in their power to dissuade sons from going there. This is a defining moment for the Church in Ireland and decent Catholics should not rest until every bishop stands up and takes direct action to purge the filth from the Church.PAT SAYSThe Gaynooth gay scandal is not new.It has built up over decades.Ledwith with played his part seducing seminarians.

But Ronan Kitty Drury was a big player and seduced many over the years.

Prior is rumoured to be one of his victims?

Any half decent looking young guy entering Maynooth now is sure to have a priest or seminarian’s hand in his jeans within hours or days.

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264 replies on “MAYNOOTH – CESSPOOL OF LIBERAL THEOLOGY AND GAY SEX AND STOMPING GROUND OF PREDATOR KITTY DRURY.”

I would sincerely doubt that that sociopathic narcissist, Prior, was abused by Drury, Pat. Drury and Prior appeared to be very friendly during my time in Maynooth. Prior certainly did not in any way appear to be Drury’s “victim”.

I think Fr Marsden was told porkies by Prior. If Prior was Drury’s purported victim.

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The only way to know would be for Fr Marsden to confirm which priest it was who told him he was abused by Drury.

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abuse is abuse, whether that abuse is emotional, physical, sexual or otherwise. I worked last year in a diocesan ‘catholic’ secondary school where I received the most horrendous abuse from some staff. when I reported it to the chaplain and bishops representative I was told ‘maybe you’re not cut out to be a teacher’. This from a man who emotionally and physically abused students at the same school when he was a teacher and principal and now acts as chaplain. When I phoned the bishops secetary and asked for an ‘urgent’ meeting, I was ignored three times. I witnessed homophobia, racism, and anti-christian rhetoric throughout the school. I was told by a senior teacher that she would ‘pull the plug’ on my job If I relayed my concerns to any external forces.
I could recount several stories of my abuse at that school. it may seem insignificant to many, but it was torture. An educational inspector wanted to represent me to the board of management, but I needed to keep the peace and keep my position. I’m now in a much happier place and wake up feeling well and content. but that school experience had an enormous effect on my faith. my self esteem and confidence.

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Absolutely no way was Polly the Pryer “abused” by Kitty.
Drury was a harmless old queer with a coterie. To think of him in terms of McCarrick though is risible. No doubt there is/are an Irish McCarrick/McCarricks – but they are barking up the wrong tree with Kitty Drury.
Equally laughable is the idea that “Fanny” was abused by Ledwith.
Ledwith had no interest in any type of fanny whatsoever – including Fanny Mullaney.
His roving eye sought out very pretty boys and Fanny was always a plain jane. She was frumpy even in her student days.
Prying Polly might like to introduce a narrative that she was possibly “abused” but it would be a total red herring and a distraction from the REAL story that is all about Polly and her antics. Kitty never abused Polly. Total fake news.

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1:01, May I suggest you write to the nuncio and inform him of this. he may do something, he may not. but at least you will have a record of this.

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Prior and Ronan Drury were the best of buddies. That’s a bullshit story Pat. Kitty Drury did not abuse Fanny or Paul Prior.

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I know which school the teacher is referring to. It’s in NI. When I was a sem I had to help the chair of the college’s board of management with paperwork and saw the relentless hounding of a teacher of languages in the school, who was blamed for poor A level performance by pupils, even though the language in question is a difficult one.

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Well now on the UTV…..its all kicking off with accusations wafting all over the place so it is. Kitty and the piped piper won’t be up for a golden cleric just yet, and there’s talk of a wee fella from down below active on the auld Grindr again. and what’s with that Maggie Carta one with the ET face and Anthea Turner wig – I don’t know about you but I’m off to make a hot one. stay with us…..for the Father Buckley Mysteries

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there are no ‘catholic’ schools in Ireland. they pretend to be catholic schools. they are just catholic in name but not by nature.

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I was thinking +Pat, when I was reading this post, about the names for different places/corridors in Maynooth, when I was there in the 80s/ 90s, Handbag Alley, The Maternity Ward, Drury Lane (yes, pertinent to your post) to name but a few.

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Foxrock was the name given to the area on the Senior Dean’s corridor occupied by deacons of the more musical/delicate type, and on the other side of the Senior Dean’s rooms was the even posher Castleknock, in which deacons had full power and televisions in the rooms and they listened to BBC Radio 4 on Long Wave.

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Colleen Daly used to visit in his chauffeur driven car. And kitty would be out walking up and down with some bishops, Michaela, Josepha, JoJo, the original Amy et al

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I agree that the so-called and exotic places listed by 10:58 were made up by him. I was there in the 80s and 90s and the nicknames for the seminary residential areas were innocuous and long-standing, eg Sanctum, Top Pat’s, Middle New House, Foxrock, Mid-St Mary’s.

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Willie Wonka and the Oompa Loopas, and who can forget Gina, Dale Haze and the Champions in New House. Or When Gina became Susan McCann in Humanity and up the house she was a great singer and is great at the sung mass

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The two fat ladies in Keoghs window most afternoons then back up to supper and on to evening prayer bloated

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Then there was the students in the 80s/90s, given female versions of their names, Connie, Gertrude, Sheila Shay, Cherry Daisy and couples like Cagney and Lacey.

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The deans Nellie A, Franky D, Dervla M, Stephanie F, Desiree H, not to be confused with the student Desdemona M

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He was horrible, cold, calculating deeply ambitious snob concerned entirely with his own needs and comforts and he didn’t believe a thing.

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11:02
Oh..he was a Mons, on the International Theological Commission, once hotly tipped for Arch of Dublin.
Now, he’s flogging DVDs in America as a new age guru. That’s our Gaynooth, former faculty for you.

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Doesn’t it tell you much about the pure dysfunction of Maynooth?
1. A priest tells another priest he was abused by a senior priest but yet did not report this senior priest and allowed him to continue his predations (if this story is true);
2. The Rector allows a senior priest continue to have access to seminarians despite a credible allegation of molestation being made against this senior priest;
3. The Rector informs a priest about this predator priest but doesn’t deem it necessary to inform seminarians – who must be deemed vulnerable people within a seminary environment.

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It is feasible that Drury and Ledwith could be the originators of a Maynooth sex ring.
That seminary needs to be doused with exorcised water and salt.

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This is all a figment of the collective imagination of right-wing Catholics who don’t care whose reputation they decimate and who, for some reason, are extreme homophobes.

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As for Prof Ronan Drury’s alleged sexual molestation of seminarians, it is necessary to remember that these allegations remain unproven. Anthony Murphy, however, takes them at face value, and then goes on to write about Drury as if their veracity were a fait accompli. Frankly, this is outrageous, a denial of moral justice to the man.
In my time at Maynooth, I was never, in any way, sexually pestered by Drury, or by any other priest there. And yet, I was one of the finer-featured seminarians: blondish hair, bue-eyed, slim. I was described as having ‘boyish good looks’. It wasn’t unwanted attention from Ronan Drury, or from any other priest, that was problematic for me, but sexual interest from seminarians.
If these unsubstantiated allegations against Prof Drury are true, then all I can say is that he must have made a dramatic volte face sexually in his older years, as there wasn’t even the faintest rumour of sexual impropriety by him on the college grapevine when I was there; and that grapevine was nothing if not active…and universally inquisitive.

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For the first time I agree with you MC.

Certain vicious characters are spinning stories about a dead man in order to deflect attention from themselves.

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Tell me something
Why didn’t the true author of the letter step forward when he witnessed an innocent seminarian take the blame?
It shows the spineless person he is.

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I hope former (and present) formation formation staff and priests at Wonersh will step forward and tell the world about all the sex scandals and abuse going on there too.

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Connolly, Collins, Fanny, Pryer, Marsden – all part of the same sordid and miserable mess that is Gaynooth. It needs to be shut down.
Pryer “abused” by Drury? Ballocks!!! Drury the Irish McCarrick? Horse shite!!!
All meant to distract from the real Irish McCarricks to scapegoat an old biddie like Kitty who, very conveniently, is now dead!

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Recently retired Knockbridge Parish priest, Fr Gerard McGinnity, has revealed how he is thinking of writing a book about his life and his role in highlighting problems at St Patrick’s Seminary, Maynooth, days after Archbishop Diarmuid Martin revealed he is to send trainee priests from his diocese to the Irish College in Rome.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/regionals/argus/news/retired-priest-recalls-his-maynooth-battle-34951494.html

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8.39

I’d have more admiration for Fr McGinnity had he not, apparently, kindly bent over while Tomás Cardinal ÓFiaich shafted him into signing a letter of resignation.

Oppression is one thing, but cooperating with an oppressor is quite another. Why, it even has a name!

‘Stockholm Syndrome’.

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Fr Marsden needs to get over his inordinate obsession with homosexuality and how people express themselves and live their sexual lives. There is something pretty sick about making this the focus of your interest, and it is clearly an issue, as it is in most cases with people who have this kind of focus, that Marsden has himself about his own sexuality. It’s classic. So, pipe down Fr Marsden, and keep out of other peoples’ business. By the way, have you managed to find yourself a new job yet ? After getting sacked / losing your two previous jobs – Maynooth and Oscott ? I would encourage any prospective employer to look in to your background very closely before taking you on.
There’s another nut like Marsden around, I see, at the St Luke’s Centre in Manchester, where I think dioceses and orders send prospective candidates for assessment etc. – Fr Gerard Fieldhouse-Byrne. I remember being at a retreat he gave a few years ago and had to sit through various talks that obsessed about masturbation and its sinfulness and how if a priest masturbated that this was a clear indication of his unsuitability to be a priest ! I remember sitting there wondering when Byrne last masturbated, because I doubt if he could even see or find his dick in the folds of lard that he was carrying ! Another obsessive inflicting his sick obsessions on others. Yuk !

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Quite right @8:46. The ones who give far and away the greatest cause for concern are priests such as Marsden himself and the Director of St Luke’s. How on earth can someone supposedly trained in psychology and therapy be banging on about masturbation? I would guess every institution predominantly male has had their Kitties who are mostly harmless. Though unacceptable today – like many things such as thrashing kids – it used to be par for the course for these old pussy cats to give lads a friendly pat without someone calling the cops. I would say that real abuse is facilitated by set ups such as St Luke’s, Courage and even more sinister groups claiming say that homosexuality can be cured, or masturbation is a grave disorder. By the way you can get a look at the freaks’ gallery at St Luke’s and decide for yourself.

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You want to meet the nun there a friend of mine had an interview with her she just started talking about prayer and then straight into masturbation ! What century are they living in? If you ask weird questions you will get lies

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@8:46 am. This isn’t about sexual orientation or habits.

It’s about abuse, vicious lies and cover-ups. Let’s keep things specific. Okay?

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10:24
It’s about that, plus far more.
It’s about a poisonous toxic culture of abusivess within the Church that begins in seminary.
The cover-ups go right to the top! Okay!

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Marsden I hear has sent a letter of protest to the Vatican over the appointment of the new bishop of Northamptons suitability. They probably never heard of the place for starters.

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10.12
Predatory PERSONS have caused trouble in the priesthood.
Don’t be like those homosexually obsessed idiots, Murphy and Marsden and others, by pinning the trouble on homosexuality itself. This is a distraction.
PEOPLE cause such trouble, not abstractions.
Homosexuality, like its counterpart, is not a person: it cannot sin.

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12:54
Don’t be silly, in denial, refusing to acknowledge the obvious. Look at the reports on sexual abuse both here and in the USA.
Predatory behaviour, by men, could also be said of heterosexual priests.
Regarding CSA in the Church;
Look at the age profile of victims of abuse. The vast majority were teenage boys, 13 to 17 yrs, abused by priests!!! Morally corrupt predatory, predominantly homosexual abusive men, who wore clerical collars.

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1.26
I’M in denial?😕
Dear God! You’re probably a fan of The Vortex, aren’t you? And, in particular, that rug-wearing, ex😅queen, Michael Voris?
Explain to me how a sexual orientation can choose to sin.
If a sexual orientation is, in your bizarre world view, responsible for the sexual exploitation of others, then there is no such thing as personal choice in the matter, and no such thing as personal sin either. You do understand this, don’t you?😕
I am really looking forward to your reply.

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1:53

Predatory persons, many being morally corrupt active homosexual men, have caused mayhem in the Priesthood.
I’m NOT a fan of the Michael Voris. The FACTS speak for themselves. Check them out.

You explain, how come the vast numbers of victims of clerical CSA were teenage boys? Not teenage girls.
Of course, personal choice is central to the matter.
Human beings, mainly men, (women also abuse), with a predilection for sex with young teenage boys, chose to betray trust, sexually groom, exploit, and sexually abuse.
What sexual orientation do you think these abusers were likely to have being?

What are the issues in Maynooth all about? What are the issues in other seminaries all about?
What dynamics are fueling what’s gone on and going on in seminaries?
It’s known, in the public domain, for 35 years or more, seminaries in America are pink palaces.

Why are straight seminarians harassed ( not the only ones) and hounded from seminaries?
This is going on for years, while sexually active gay seminarians, while in seminary, ordained,
possibly because some of them were ‘playing the game’ with some of the faculty.
(Ordained in their image and likeness).

Sin, moral corruption, sexual exploitation, as well as institutional sin, are undoubtedly central to the problems.
I couldn’t careless about sexual orientation, however facts cannot be ignored for clericalist or theological
or sexual political reasons.
Unsuitable characters regardless of their sexual orientation need to be asked to leave seminary.

People’s lives have and are been destroyed, while complete low-lifes in the Priesthood protected.
The spiritual abuse, alone, perpetrated by these low life characters, is terrible.

Life is NOT a dress rehearsal.

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4.01
Yes, morally unsuitable people should be required to leave seminary…whether they are gay or straight. But you were drawing attention to homosexual orientation and were linking it, de facto, with ephebophilia. THAT is unadulterated homophobia. There is no scientific evidence that all homosexual men are motivated by their orientation to seek romantic or sexual satisfaction with teenaged boys, just as there is no such evidence for heterosexual men’s seeking similar satisfaction with teenaged girls.
Do you ordinarily speak of men who prey on teenaged girls as being heterosexual? Do you call attention to their sexuality in this way, with the subtext’s being that heterosexuality is the issue here rather than a selfishly motivated individual? I’d wager you don’t.
All along in our conversation you have deliberately linked homosexuality with certain types of predatory behaviour. Yes, some homosexual men are interested in post-pubescent teenaged boys, but then a fair proportion of heterosexual men, too, are interested in post-pubescent teenaged girls (though few would be honest enough to admit that they find them attractive).
You have mellowed somewhat your opinion since we started our conversation, and that is good to know. Because your line of argument was unjustly linking ALL homosexual men with behaviour that has rightly appalled you.

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5:09
Regarding evidence, the numbers, age ranges, profiles of victims, profiles of abusers, speak for themselves.
Ephebophilia is not considered a pathology by psychologists.
Yes, I consider men who target teenage girls, as heterosexual predators.(They are legion). You lose the wager!
You avoided dealing with my questions related to seminaries. Why?
Do heterosexual seminarians sleep with women while studying for priesthood, or bring women back to the seminary overnight? Are heterosexual seminarians creating toxic dynamics in seminary?
Maybe clerics, having been hothoused in a homosocial environment for six or seven years,
leave seminary with a sexual orientation unique to clerics!
By the way, don’t patronize, with your mellowing good to know bullshit. My views have not changed.
I’m on the side of victims/ survivors, regardless, everytime.
I reckon, that’s the side Jesus would take.

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4.26
Was Jesus an adulterer because he showed mercy to the woman caught in adultery?
(I’m good, aren’t it?😉)

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6.39

You keep trying to move the goalposts. It would be fascinating…were you a narcissistically aggressive, highly competitive five-year-old.

Your thesis all along was pinning ephebophillic behaviour by priests on homosexuality, which is why you linked the words ‘predatory’ and ‘homosexual’ not just in the same sentence, but in a single phrase. You couldn’t be farther from scientific truth with this one, and not just because I did not say that ephebophilia was a pathology. So your information to the contrary was a tilt at a very silly windmill.

And I have exposed the nonsense you, so far, have been trying so very hard not to deny unequivocally. (By the way, I didn’t lose any wager, for I shouldn’t have wagered anything on a predictable outcome…and you have been wrong from the outset, but too egotistical to admit it.)

So let me spell this out for you, as syllabically sparse as possible.

HOMOSEXUALITY DOES NOT DISPOSE ALL MEN TO ABUSING TEENAGED BOYS SEXUALLY.

FACT.

It doesn’t matter what figures you quote, or what seminary questions you ask: these, all, are red herrings. It won’t alter the simple, scientific fact that homosexuality is not responsible for the abuses you’ve been pretending to have a near coronary over.

You, almost movingly, say that you are on-side with the victims of sexual abuse. Yet, you yourself would make victims of morally innocent gay priests, who have never harmed anyone in their ministry, much less vulnerable teenaged boys.

I shan’t tell you what I really think of people like you, because Bishop Pat probably wouldn’t publish my comment.

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8:41pm

The one constantly moving the goalposts is YOU.
Let me spell it out for you, instead of you reading into comments your own interpretations, while obsessively and narcissistically needing to be right about everything, as well as being so precious about homosexuality, for whatever reason(s).

WHERE did I say homosexuality disposes all men to abuse teenage boys? I DIDN’T. What’s your problem?
Read my original comment at 10:12, again.

Where’s your scientific evidence? Produce the ‘science’.
You are conveniently sidestepping and avoiding the moral corruption in seminaries. Why?
It’s got everything to do with what’s going on in the wider Church.

Sadly, all priests are being tarnished by this outrageous corrupt immoral criminal behaviour, not just innocent gay priests.
My primary concern is with victims/survivors, who were/are powerless in these abusive rotten criminal situations.

By the way, I couldn’t give a stuff about what you think of people like me or what abusive comments you might make. There’s no end of abusiveness in all its forms from ‘religious’ types.

Deal with your unresolved issues.

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9.48
If I have any unresolved issues, then you are first, foremost, and exclusively it.
And there is no point in trying to resolve… an intrinsic idiot.😅
By the way, seek professionsal help with your ‘id’: it is doing you silent damage, on several levels.

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10:45pm

Is that the best you can come up with?
I hit a nerve, didn’t I.
I’m no idiot.
Deal with your unresolved issues. I could guess what they are, but will say no more.
Don’t be projecting aspects of your self.
I’ve dealt with victims/survivors in the past. I’m aware of the wounding issues.
They are not pleasant, to say the very least.

Mind yourself.

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11:34 pm
That’s the best retort you can muster, calling those who disagree with you, idiots! 😂
Pathetic, 😥 as well as infantile.🍼 You’re a bit of a clever clogs👞👞 chancer, aren’t you. Indeed.😊
Where’s your ‘scientific evidence’ ? 🌈 BULLSHIT. 🐄 💩😷
Deal with your unresolved issues.( It ain’t me.😅).
Again, mind yourself.🙏✌

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I am very wise to a certain psychopathic narcissist who will do anything to deflect attention from himself. He better be very careful because he could soon find himself in the slammer for identity fraud.

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1.01: I am saddened that the school authorities or elsewhere would not listen to your story of abuse and that it seemed part of the culture. It is totally unacceptable and I am surprised that some of your fellow teachers did not support you. Very cowardly and morally wrong. My niece stood up to a bullying principal and after a year of constant harrassment of her (because she stood up to him) she, along with her colleagues had principal removed, but sadly the said principal had literally destroyed staff morale and the confidence of parents. I advised her to keep a record of all bullying moments and erratic behaviour. It was used against the principal. The other sadness is that sometimes in these situations the teacher’s unions defend the bullying teacher, which has been my experience in a few schools. All abuse is wrong and unacceptable.

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Maybe incidental but not irrelevant. Ambitious school managers know how to play the Catholic card by colluding with the clergy, and their abusive behaviour then had to be stopped by the civil authorities. As for the clerical bodybuilder … we’ll see how that works out.

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@10:18. It is irrelevant to today’s story. This is about intra- clerical abuse, cover-ups, lies and plausible deniability.

Specificity is very important and we can’t allow ourselves to be sidetracked by “incidental” stories.

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9.48: Not at all a ‘deflection’ since I was empathising with a teacher who experienced abuse. My point at 9.38, which, if you are intelligent, was simply to state that ALL abuse, by whoever commits it is morally repugnant and totally unacceptable. We speak about priest abusers and rightly condemn their behaviour but I simply was saying to the teacher that it is very difficult sometimes to remove a bullying, abusive teacher/principal as their unions are powerfully strong in defending teachers rights and very difficult to get appropriate responses from the Patrons, including Bishops. I know. I had horrendous experiences in 2 schools as Chairperson and chaplain.

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The teacher should make GDPR requests to the school, diocese, CCMS, EA and the parish in which the school is located.

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10:32
So, be specific. Name, names.
Otherwise it’s round the houses….off we go….
Who are the Irish McCarricks?

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A sample of the STANDARDS to be found in Gaynooth.
Where’s the Christianity to be found in Gaynooth other than in the library. Toxic.

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True.
The Irish Church is imploding, but these little toe rags want their jollies while poisoning the Priesthood with their toxicity and grubby secrets.

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Interesting points to note :

Fr. Marsden refers to his own homilies as “powerful”. Please bear in mind that no student has actually said this, he said it about himself in the newspaper.

He also states that the conservative students “looked up to him as a role model”. Once again he says this about himself.

It is clear to me who the self-centred egotistical narcissist is in this scenario. He clearly views himself as some sort of Messiah. I also think Fr. Marsden was the letter writer. He let Conan take the blame for his deeds. What a sick and twisted individual…

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Here is my theory. I ask you to think about it.

Father Marsden wrote the letter about the students and sent it anonymously to the Bishops. He had access to private and confidential reports and psychological assessments. He singled out every person who was open about their sexuality in these reports. He personally set out to get all these men kicked out, not because they were ”active” as he alluded to but because they identified as homosexual. He stated numerous times that homosexual men, even if celibate, have no place in the priesthood.

Fr. Marsden is the immature culprit in all of this. He then went to Osccot and tried the same thing. Once again it backfired on him. He sees it as his personal mission to rid the Church of homosexuals. In his mind they are all deviants. In my humble opinion, I think his behaviour must be related his own ambiguous sexuality. That is my theory.

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11:49
Your theory, peppered with amateur psycho-babble.
Marsden is saying what the Rcc teaches.
Problem is nowadays Church teaching has become ambiguous.
Shoot the messenger when the message is unacceptable.

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I was a student of Marsden in Maynooth. I found him to be nice on appearance but on a deeper level totally strange. Mad into the Latin Mass, mad into masturbation in Human growth and super mad into if you liked men! I remember clearly in one class, where he told us that we should never baptise a baby of a same sex couple. It was horrifying … I remember Fr. C McD confronting him about it and he again said no!! What theology is that?

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I don’t think you can take anything Marsden says seriously, Bp Pat, he could easily be a huge girl like Michael Voris.

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Fr. David Marsden and Rev. Byrne clashed because he was the only seminarian brave enough to stand up to him and his extreme fundamental views. We all wanted to challenge David, believe me. I am happy that Rev. Byrne was the catalyst to him quitting. Poetic 😂😂😂

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If the choice is between a church with Marsden or a church with Ledwith, Byrne, Puck, Rory, Kitty, Trolley Dolley, Cagney & Lacey, Prior, the former PP of Pomeroy, McCarrick, Zanchetta, Coccopalmerio, McCamley, Horny Andy, “Nighty-night, baby, I love you”, McCabe, Duffy and Barros, I’ll go with Marsden, thanks very much.

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1.39
Off you go, then. Into the wilderness with Marsden.
There should be plenty of locusts and honey to keep you both nourished…so you can continue raving to each other.
Might, though, find camel skins hard to come by.

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Marsden vs Gorgeous was always entertaining. Two guys that hated each other. Gorgeous always got the better of him in debates. David’s fragile ego could not handle it. Our Gorgeous was no push over.

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Marsden in a formation class – “If a gay couple brings a child for baptism you are to turn them away.”
Byrne – “WHAT! Is there something wrong with you?”
Marsden’s face dropped. I will never forget it. 🤣

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MB hasn’t been ordained. There is still some justice left in this sorry world.
God bless Fr Marsden.

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4:47
He has been ordained. He has been ordained a deacon which is further than you will ever get you disgruntled reject 😂

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Good for Gorgeous! Michael definitely has something about him, which enabled him to stand up for himself with types such as Marsden.

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Marsden loved Michael Jack. He always wanted his attention. He vicariously lived through him. On the family day in Maynooth he did not leave his family alone. He sat with Michael’s good looking dad. David Marsden also played on the bouncy castle with kids. Does anyone remember that??? It was sick. The man has issues.

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@9:34
Yes!!! I remember. The bouncy castle incident should have been a child protection issue. Marsden tried to play with Byrne’s blonde nephew on the bouncy castle. Byrne’s sister quickly intervened and took him away from his grasp.

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11.49
Good post.
I agree with you about Marsden.
That Murphy fell for this nonsense calls into serious question any credentials he might have claimed for journalism.

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Kitty Drury was a waspish queen, with a huge apartment in Long Corridor. He loved the Downton Abbey side of Maynooth and he was a consummate parish dodger.

Like his fellow parish dodger, Prior, he hailed from Co. Cavan but, fearing a bog parish, Kitty lifted her skirts and made the move to the more congenial Meath diocese.

Kitty had immense self-belief and little insight. Despite never serving in a parish he insisted on celebrating the Christmas Midnight Mass in his native parish of Mullagh every year, even leaving his hospital bed one year to do so.

Despite being Maynooth’s last ever Professor of Homiletics (and for far too long) he published in the Furrow articles and surveys decrying low preaching standards, even though he was chiefly responsible for that.

Kitty used to teach IV Divines how to celebrate Mass. A table was set up in his classroom in Loftus and the priest-to-be would be kitted out in a fiddleback. Kitty loved grabbing their arms to extend them, or would grab their chest from behind, saying they needed to stand up straighter, or open their lungs. He only did this to the hot sems; the fats and fems were untouched.

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1.16
And yet, my memories of him are completely the opposite of yours. Funny that.
Are you still smarting from his refusal to grab from behind YOUR arms, and YOUR chest?
Maybe you weren’t a ‘hot’ seminarian.😕

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Magna, you didn’t make it to IV Div (😂) so didn’t experience Kitty’s Mass role plays, so kindly STFU.

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You’ll probably find Ronan had a perfectly good reason for opting for Meath. Maybe he went to school in Finian’s.
Don’t be so parochial at 1:16!

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Fr. Marsden would bring a select group of seminary students to Latin Mass in Dublin on a Saturday. Fr. Gerard Deighan would cook them breakfast afterwards. Marsden overstepped student/teacher boundaries to promote his biased agenda to vulnerable young men. Fr. Gerard Deighan thought him how to say the latin Mass. Fr. Marsden’s latin is atrocious, his liturgical knowledge and gestures are comical.

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Michael Fanny Mullaney lectured in canon law in my time (I sound ancient). He was petty, rude and prone to throwing little temper tantrums during class. On such incident will be my abiding memory of him; a small petty man, from humble beginnings, trying to be big.
However as I get older, and my own life has evolved, I have a sort of understanding towards him; I am unable to say sympathy. Michael Mullaney, for those who have encountered him, is clearly a gay man, having to live off (quite comfortably) an institution that says he is disordered. One can only imagine the frustration and resentments that have to exist at the core of his person. It spills out into him snapping at students he knows cannot do anything about it; in that he is abusive. It is however a behaviour born out of repression, denial and frustration. Lets be honest he’d not have amounted to much without the cover of the RCC institution. In that sense he is totally dependent on the institution for his ‘status’.
I remember, in the run up to the married referendum, Michael was preaching at holycross abbey one Sunday evening; he was’explaining’ to us that it was an important issue for catholics as gay couples present children for baptism. My elderly mother said to me afterwards ‘I think the lady doth protest too much’. We had a chuckle; incidentally I think it was one of the last occasions I attended a catholic mass.

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I always found Father Mullaney to be a very nice man. He was always very courteous and professional. I studied there as a lay student doing Theology & Arts. In fact, I found all the staff there to be very approachable.

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Lay students, who should not have been in Maynooth in the first place, had a very different relationship with the Maynooth priests than did the seminarians.

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3:54, and WHY should lay students not have undertaken a degree in Maynooth? are seminarians THAT special?

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4:57
The women were a distraction!😅
No, I’m wrong. 😆
The men were a bigger distraction!!😂

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the infamous jockstrap. where is it now? it belongs in an ecclesiastical museum. its a part of Irish history!

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“Magna Carta” is indulging in sexual fantasies again about being “blond, slim,
blue-eyed” and a “hot” seminarian. Very telling about whoever writes the “Magna Carta” shtuff 😉

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3.15: Let us allow Mags to be kind to himself and fantasize about his boyish blond, slimline, good looks while inseminary. It’s the only pleasure he has in life even if untrue and utterly delusional. Lions in their hunger would run from this creep!! How can any person be so narcissist when those of us who sojourned (sadly) with him as a student held a 9 day Novena of Thanksgiving when he was f****d out. God is just after all.

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3.15
I agree with you: it is indeed very telling…of the truth about me.😆
Now can you handle Magna’s truth He was certainly handsome, but unaffectedly so. And he remains so…according to the prudentially honest judgements of reliable others.
Now say cheese. 😉

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David Marsden is a member of the Sacred Heart Congregation. Rev Paul Coyle of Dublin was a member of this group in his early days.

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Marsden appeals to Archbishop Vigano! And attends the post-Tridentine Mass in Harrington Street! What was someone like that doing in a formation role in, not one, but two seminaries?

Did Marsden pursue his theology and philosophy in Milltown?

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Fr David Marsden is an honest priest faithful to his vows, Church and Scripture.

Homosexuals are destroying the Church from within and this is exactly what they want.

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He is trying to stop the appointment of Oakley to Northampton because he fired him. The timing of all of this is to scupper Oakley.

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4.56
I’ve just read Marsden’s letter. Thanks for the link.
The man definitely has issues, not least a serious discriminatory and homophobic outlook on gay candidates for seminary training. Marsden appears to be a single-issue priest.
He isn’t just opposed to admiting gay men to seminary; he seems to hate the very idea of having a gay man about the place…any place. There is no discernible love in Marsden for these men; certainly, there is no discernible respect for them.
Marsden’s attitude to them is highly pharisaical, in that he would probably claim justification for this, and for his nasty conduct towards them, by citing Pope Emeritus Benedict’s 2005 ban on admitting gay candidates to seminary. However, no ban, whatever its merits or demerits morally, can justify such hardness of heart.
Fr Marsden, in my opinion, is a less than exemplary priest and would make not just a poor spiritual formator, but one that risked malforming young men in his charge.
He is now no longer in a position to wreak such havoc. And may it ever remain so.

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He may have caught… well, let’s just say, a non-specific NSU, which has turned him so bitter.

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Mmmm. Sounds like single issue nutter. He needs to get over it. Poor man, obsessed by the issue of homosexuals in the priesthood. Maybe he needs to have the same level of concern for straight priests / seminarians who are sagging about. I don’t have any sense that he’s worried about that. Just the gays ! I’d say he’s conflicted himself about his own sexuality. Self loathing. Classic. Ignore him.

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7:48 pm
LOL Ha ha ha.
The single issue nutters seem more like those obsessed with their homosexuality. Right girls. Right.

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A comment made at 4:20pm ‘As a seminarian, I found Fanny to be an entitled snob, a prissy madam and a nasty bitch.’
Yes, yes and yes. However, thought he is snobbish, he is from a normal, ordinary background. In fact his mother used to work on the checkouts in Dunnes Stores in Thurles. I had made the observation that I thought his horrible, inexcusably behaviour towards seminary students stems from his frustrations of having to live as a closeted gay man, leading a catholic seminary. It would explain why ‘orthodox’ students find him problematic.
He should do the honorable thing, but he won’t. Why would he? Gone would be the prestige, the butler served dining room, the titles, the ability to makes students lives a misery, just because he can.
What is he? A man with a doctorate in the internal rules of a private organisation. He is no more impressive than someone who has memorised the rules of ‘dungeons and dragons ‘, or someone who knows the rules of the GAA inside out.
A prissy madam and a nasty bitch, sure. We have all seen and expirenced that side of him. He is totally the wrong person and personality to be in charge of a seminary; he is living with his own closeted deamons; from what i recall the deamons are winning. The man is a pure careerist devoid of any religious sentiment or sense of spirituality. Again the conflict at the core of his person, a gay man having to pretend that being gay is not ok, must be unbearable. However the fact that it has made in a nasty old madam, makes his position in maynooth grossly inappropriate and dangerous for seminary student’s.

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This is interesting because he’s not the only one with that psychology. Abbot Cuthbert Brogan for one, he’s terrified of people finding out he’s gay and is in the habit of telling novices to act butch; the only difference is there’s an element of trauma in him.

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O for god sake, of course its inappropriate for fanny to be around seminary student’s. But it ireland what do you expect? We all heard the rumours about fa nny mullaney. But who knows the truth except mullaney and that Thurles seminarian.

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O the Thurles allegation, but that seminarian did have a drink problem to be fair. I don’t think he would be the most reliable.

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What you have in Gaynooth is dysfunctional and immature men allowed to play roles and given power over peoples’ lives that is dangerous and highly inappropriate. I include Marsden in that – along with the ilk of Cowboy Connolly, Fanny and The Extractor Collins. Throw Little Miss Prying Polly nSJ into the mix and you have a toxic explosive. These people are dangerous DANGEROUS!

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7:44, thank you for your response. I will look into it now that I know it is possible. Thanks

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why would you need to ask a priest or BISHOP? go to the person responsible for data and ask them to delete. or easier, email the parish with a scanned copy of your passport and request they delete all your data immediately.

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Just had a quick scan over the comments today. It appears certain aspirants to the priesthood/priests here place little value on Church teaching, scripture, prayer (as indicated by the sheer venom), celibacy, attending adoration (again indicated by the poison levels) and virtue.

I then thought to myself why do you want/did want to become priests? What is it about the priesthood that attracts you? Do you think God called you to be a priest? Do you know what a priest is actually meant to be? Did some of you enter the priesthood to change the Church? Are some of you sorry you became priests? If so, why? Does trying to imitate Jesus not inspire you anymore?

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8:23
Are you judgemental by nature or is it something you have honed with practice?
Suggestion: read and think about the parable in Luke 18:9-14 every day until next Sunday.
Then ask your questions again in a week’s time.

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8:23 pm,

I agree with you. Fr David Marsden is a rarity. A priest who actually takes his vocation seriously.

Based on the commentary here today, it’s no wonder there are only 20 seminarians in Maynooth.

8:48 pm, that’s a cop out answer if ever I saw one.

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8.59
And what ‘vocation’ is this? To represent a priesthood in MARSDEN’S image?
This is narcissism.

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David Marsden refers to heterosexual seminarians as “normal”. This show the level of his depravity. Ive never met a normal seminarian…gay or straight.

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Opus Dei spokesperson alert at 8:59!
Your support for Marsden, and by implication, for Viganò places you in the anti-Francis camp and to the right of Franco.

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Your bang on @ 8:23pm.
Why are so many of these individuals attracted to priesthood in an institution which considers homosexual acting out intrinsically disordered. It makes no sense, not to mention some of the appalling comments from so called priests or aspiring priests.

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Now hi a barber shop is for haircuts and a pub is for drink. A seminary is for……The amount of anger and frustration on here would float a septic tank. The church has lost spirituality. The people are lost in space. All need to start looking for Jesus. The whole place is starting to look like the colosseum. How long is it stood there and still not finished but

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The whole bloody system is wired to the moon. These guys are from an alternative solar system and think we are all stupid

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Pat

Do you still support Marsden? He hates people like you. Please reply. Your blog was more interesting when you engaged with your followers.

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I do not know whether I support Marsden or ever did. But there is a massive problem in seminaries. We need a massive review of all issues

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‘We need a massive review of all issues’
whose the ‘we’? you’re not a Roman Catholic, Pat

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Has the cesspool or cesspit of Gaynooth produced Irish McCarrick’s?
No one brave enough to answer that one. Moral cowards in soutanes!
Meanwhile the rot continues…..

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Are you a US culture warrior at 8.55? Not much argument in ‘haha.. lol…right…..girls.’
Let’s hope you are. A lost cause could do with someone of your intellect.

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Imagine Pat , Maynooth failed to lead a commission into the allegations of substance abuse within the seminary and use of Poppers. The Poppers were sold by Michael Byrne in varied strengths. Pat it went crazy, Byrne gave out free samples openly on the Corridor. Byrne would say ‘hey Bro just try it and feel good’.

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In my time, the main popper was predator from diocese of Clogher, Thank god he isn’t priest now.

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Pat remember the case of the Maynooth seminarian admitted to the Mater Public for a small bleed in the Bowel linning. That Seminarian is now a Priest Fr Xxxx Xxxxx

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Pat, during the introductory week in Seminary we all signed a legal document in which cannot sue smeiamry council and must obey all deciosns they make . Pat with respect, Michael Mullaney and Hugh Connolly are above the law of the land, they planned this legal doc to prevent them be sued. Hugh however never planned for Drury case to be exposed. Pat I pray one day those Maynooth abusers and senior seminarian abusers who are still in Maynooth will one day face the Courts and issue and public apology to their victims.

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