DIARMUID MARTIN SHOULD MAKE PARTING PUBLIC STATEMENT.

IN 8 WEEKS TIME DIARMUID MARTIN TURNS 75 AND WILL OFFER HIS RESIGNATION AS ARCHBISHOP OF DUBLIN.I THINK ITS VERY IMPORTANT THAT HE MAKES A PARTING PUBLIN STATEMENT ABOUT IRISH SEMINARIANS, SEMINARIES AND SEMINARY STAFF.He should address the following points:1. He could call for the urgent closure of Maynooth.2. He should announce his total lack of confidence in Fathers Mullaney and Collins.3. He should repeat his lack of confidence in The Irish College Rome.4. He should say whether sexually active seminarians should be retained in seminary.5. He should say if he supports the Church’s universal law of celibacy.

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109 thoughts on “DIARMUID MARTIN SHOULD MAKE PARTING PUBLIC STATEMENT.

  1. He could also address all the priests in secret relationships in his diocese.

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    1. Diddies McGonagle 11th Feb 2020 — 11:36 am

      Bishop Pat, God only knows what will come out next

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    2. I’ve put my tissue from yesterday to good use this evening 🙂

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  2. Well juxtaposed like that, the comparison is bloody hilarious. Another pompous self-important institution shown up to be ridiculous. Cp the antics of the British Royal Family: with the exception of HM herself, the whole lot have been an absolute shower. Add to that politicians, generals, Headmasters and various other old toss-pots. Good for David, I say! For some childish reason, I’m reminded of Catherine Tate’s proud Belfast Mum: “Have you heard about our John? He’s a gay man now.” The old order changes, and good riddance to those old farts who waged terror for far too long. Back in the sixties, priests used to wear top hats in the Manchester Whit walks.

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  3. Pat you have two hopes – some hope and no hope.

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  4. Where is Sean Jones jockstrap pic? And Gannon angel wings?

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      1. @1:22pm “Oops we couldn’t find that image”?

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  5. Fr Mullaney’s famous pro LGBT rectors talk. ‘we want you to be free and inclusive ‘.

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    1. isn’t his 3 year contract up in August?

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  6. Dermo’s problem is that he is long on analysis but short on action. He has criticised Maynooth severely, saying it has low academic standards, that its day is done, it has strange goings on, is like Downton Abbey (though he thinks the art is rubbish), he won’t send Dublin sems there and he doubts whether it meets the basic criteria of a Pontifical University.
    Maynooth laughs off Dermo’s criticisms, knowing that he won’t actually do anything, despite being a Trustee and Visitor of the college, and despite being the Ordinary of the diocese in which Maynooth is located.
    Dermo will huff and puff but he won’t blow the house down.

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  7. 1960’s seminarian: gentleman-esque, in a a socially superior way. Totally unsuited to Christo-centric discipleship.
    20? seminarian: ungentlemanly, with a self-fetish and self-superiority. Totally unsuited to Christo-centric discipleship.
    Will it EVER be got right?😕

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  8. Jessica Fletcher 🚨 10th Feb 2020 — 11:23 pm

    The majority of the seminarians I know and have met are false, fictitious and nauseatinglynarcissistic.
    If you want ‘posing’ and ‘attention,’ dressing-up as a priest, but not behaving like one, then go join the theatre or get yourself sectioned in a psychiatric institution.
    The damage some of these unhinged, self-imaged fruitcakes will and are causing to the faithful is blasphemous and sadistic.
    Just look at Paul Farrer from Middlesborough. He has has managed, singlehandedly, fully compromise Fr Fieldhouse from st Luke’s, Arch Malcolm, Precious Preston (who was dragged out of Liverpool Archdiocese and thrown into prison at Osssycotty) and, the WHOLE of the Middlesborough, Liverpool and possibly Birmingham Safeguarding departments. Including ruining numerous sincere Vocations and, almost the death of a vulnerable adult with learning difficulties.
    But yes, it’s business as usual in hope all will all fade away….. WELL, THIS IS JUST THE ‘WARM-UP’ BEFORE THE ENSEMBLE BEGINS ! ! ! and it is going to be a beautiful piece, I can tell you 😊

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    1. Thank God! I’m almost out of lube

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  9. Pat, would any of your gentle readers happen to have, perhaps hidden and forgotten in the leaves of a long since abandoned breviary or prayer book, one of Fanny’s wee holy prayer cards that she designed and printed to mark her elevation to the dignities of lector, acolyte, candidacy? They would be worth an small fortune on eBay. You’re talking in the realms of a penny black stamp; or a pair of Polly the Pryer’s pastel panties.

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    1. Your mention of a breviary reminds me that John-Paul Sheridan (now on the staff) was awarded the Tom Clancy Sincerity Prize for a poem in 3D.
      JPS observed that he was rarely invited to tea by other students but, when one of his tears fell on the thin leaves of his breviary in Joe’s Oratory, he realised that he was lonely but not alone.

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  10. Bishop Pat, I hope you don’t think I’m rude asking you this, but I’m curious about the ecclesiology of independent churches.
    Do you believe that you hold a greater claim to the episcopacy than other bishops, or, alternately do you believe there is some kind of hierarchy that you fit into ,made up of both independent bishops and institutional bishops?
    Finally, in light of your answer to my question, where would you place yourself alongside Bishop Sean Manchester of the Old Catholic Church and Bishop Richard Williamson, Bishop of Broadstairs?

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    1. Of course you are not rude. Very pertinent questions.
      I see the episcopate as a development of the role of overseer or senior elder in the ancient Christian community. It took on very regrettable aspects of social grandeur in the middle ages and indeed was woefully abused in Rome itself. The independent epicopacy is itself very open to abuse. In the end its all about service and ministry with the bishop being the leader of the community. The current Roman episcopate is about wealthy bachelors (sometimes) living in palaces and wielding power. I am a bishop with no power.

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  11. Pat that’s Fintan’s seminarian, David Dysky. Pat did Fintan make any reply to your concerns or Iggy. Don’t bother contacting Michael Collins he is too busy planning his exit strategy to leave Priesthood. The Donal O’Neill strategy, pretend to be holy and loyal to Maynooth then disappear with a new identity.

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    1. No answer.

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      1. Did you phone him. Fintan is either in denial or cover up like the David Dysky and Aidan O’Brien abuse case. The Public Interest demands Fintan to address his Diocese and come clean.

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    2. Paul T, beware

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  12. Guys remember the fight between Michael Byrne and Daniel Shields in the Gun Chapel practice with Liam Tracy. Byrne phoned Mullaney on his personal mobile, Mullaney came running out of his office and tackled Daniel over his failure to do what Byrne instructed. The above example is one of many occasions where Byrne controlled and summoned Michael Mullaney.

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    1. What on earth will Fanny do when she is landed back in the bog of Ballycahill Co Tipp and no kittens to tickle and play with anymore?

      She is not rated as a Canon Lawyer and her homilies at the Christmas Carol Service last December revealed, without doubt, that she is a theological nincompoop. In fact, some of the bishops are furious with her.

      Her role in Maynooth will soon come to an end. Perhaps she will open a cattery to occupy herself?

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  13. DM should call for a Garda Probe into the allegations of sexual abuse.

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    1. The Laundries, Industrial schools had a redress scheme. The Survivors of Maynooth out of baisc humanity require redress especially for their recovery.

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    2. Who has actually made these allegations to the police? Nobody? If not, why not? We are told of one victim who now seems very confident of his sexuality and no qualms about going public. So if what is claimed happened to him at Maynooth did happen, then surely he is bound to report it. I think seminary life is pretty dysfunctional, but we are constantly being fired up to deal with an apparent imploding scandal somewhere, and then nothing happens. Now why is that?

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  14. Pat please contact the following, Tom Surlis, Eamon Martin, DM, the Papal Nuncio, Irish Indo, Irish Times and have words with Fintan. Fintan failed yet agian to make a pubic statement on the exposed events. where is Paul Prior hiding this time.

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    1. You might as well shite out the window as contact any of those.

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  15. Pat what action has Tom Surlis undertaken. Surlis is under severe threat from the abuse network. They are attempting to gather dirt on Tom then blackmail him. It’s amazing the length this Canon lawyer will go to protect the network and his kittens.

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  16. Both pictures seem rather extreme examples to choose from. There has to be some sort of happy medium, Bp Pat. Perhaps Fr Sugar Ray Kelly could be a satisfactory compromise.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.4131244.1578258062!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg

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    1. A-hah, hah, hah 😅

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  17. Why is Michael Byrne dressed as a Sailor Boy.

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    1. He is so cute. He floats my boat.

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  18. Is Diarmuid celibate?

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  19. And I hope, Patsy, that Diarmuid Martin will ignore you. Simple as. He doesn’t need your busybody interference from an auld queen. The Archbishop is intelligent to make the right noises when appropriate but not be guuded by your stupid judgments.

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  20. DM knows a lot of secrets. He must be either, thoroughly sick of the fruit of his ministry, or worried about the coming illumination and judgement. You are right Pat-this would be a good time for him the clean the slate and make amends. Proposed statement would give him that opportunity hi?

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  21. Tuppence Worth 11th Feb 2020 — 9:11 am

    I think Dairmuid should say nothing and do the Coddle Waddle off into the sunny sunset of Rome.
    If he mouths off on the departure it will only bee seen as the sting of a dying wasp.

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  22. As to your points:
    1. Yes, he should call for the closure of Maynooth. It has shown itself to be wholly inadequate in forming seminarians to be our future priests, and is a hot bed of salacious and questionable behaviours, which the Church formally and publicly says that it condemns.
    2. Mullaney and Collins have presided over 1. and have by doing so shown themselves incapable of good governance and leadership. Yes, they should go.
    3. The Irish College in Rome barely educates / forms Irish seminarians anymore – there are so few of them to go there these days – and is essentially a B & B or AirBnB for third world seminarians and priests looking for somewhere to live while they do studies in Rome. The building should be passed on to those who would make good use of it, or sold so that the money could be spent on developing more forward looking and appropriate ways of training future priests.
    4. The Church has a clear teaching about sex and sexuality, and in essence it says that any sexual activity outside of marriage is morally wrong. In addition, it continues to place a mandatory requirement of celibacy on seminarians and priests. So, if it believes in these things (and it reiterates them often) then it needs to be true to its word and say clearly that sexually / homosexually active seminarians (and priests) should desist or be moved on. I have no problem with any sexual orientation, but if somebody is a seminarian or a priest, and isimplicitly and publicly saying that they accept the Church’s teaching about sexual activity, then it is not unreasonable for them to be required to live in practice this teaching. If the Church wants to change its teaching, then fine, but if it has a teaching then it should be observed. It’s called honesty and integrity.
    5. Like many Church apparatchiks, + D Martin is scared of his own shadow and so careful not to contradict Church teaching, otherwise he will lose his job and his position and all the nice things that go with it. So, don’t expect any statement before he resigns. After that, with less to lose, he may well say something that is in contrast to the Church’s public teaching. All these people, in private, will tell you one thing. But, in public, they are always looking after their own interests and play the game of keeping quiet and not contradicting Church teaching. Until they are safe and can afford to do so. Sounds pretty cynical and lacking in integrity and honesty to me.

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    1. Sorry to disappoint you at 9.14 a.m. Your absolutist view of what you believe the church should teach suggests you are an adolescent dealing only in black and white categories, or else you are a hypocrite.
      Later on today, the Holy Father will give permission for the ordination of married deacons in the Amazon region.
      This means, if you were not already aware, that the link between priesthood and celibacy is not an essential one but rather, a limited historical one (for about half of the last 2,000 years).

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  23. I think this blog is not only going down into the sewer/gutter but down the plug hole.

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  24. Pat, there is a greater chance of Coddle Martin, after he retires, going to serve in a shanty town in Latin America, or going as curate to Jobstown, than there is of him doing anything remotely like you have suggested. So that’s a great big massive ZERO. Coddle will waddle off into cosy retirement and he won’t give a rat’s ass about Dublin, Gaynooth, or anywhere else, except where he will be comfortable and well looked after.

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  25. Very good article. There has been a known culture of grooming at seminaries all over the land and an apparent willingness to take advantage of vulnerable young men and then to recruit them into the continuing lineage of their ‘type’ for onward promotion to the top, where secrets can be kept and reputations preserved.
    e.g One now deceased Cardinal said to a seminarian, ‘It is OK for you to have sex with me, it is God’s way of testing you to see if you are holy enough to become a priest. If you agree to have sex, God will approve..’
    This has been allowed if not condoned for too long and any measures to redress the church’s problems with paedophilia has to start with seminaries.
    Truth & Transparency have to be the watch words going forward and a return to personal accountability.
    In this regard, whistle-blowing on inappropriate behaviour has to be enshrined in law and adopted by the church without equivocation and there may also be a requirement for each tutorial to be digitally audio and visually recorded to ensure compliance?
    This would be the minimum standard to ensure compliance and a reasonably practicable solution in the circumstances.

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  26. I am going to make my coddle today in honour of the useless I always hated been AB of Dublin Coddle Dermo. A total waste of space. Dermo should in his retirement do a course first on Empathy. LOL. Then one on why I cant stand my Priests in Dublin. My coddle should take a few hours.

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    1. 12.06: And you Rev. Fr. should go back to English classes, you dimwit idiot. I suspect you are the type who kept your mouth shut at diocesan gatherings and nodded “yes, sir, thank you my Lord!”. You moronic hypocrite.

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  27. Ah so thats what a post formation Maynooth seminarian looks like!

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    1. With hotties like that how come Maynooth is so short of numbers?

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    2. I presume he entered as a devout christian straight man, underwent formation and exited as a worldly gay man. Have you any before pictures Pat.

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    3. Wow that diet and exercise program they put him on during formation has really paid off.

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      1. Indeed, I’d say the seminary did a pretty good job on him. I wish I’d emerged looking like that!

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    4. I can’t see you saying filthy romanist scum to that Magna!!!!!!!!

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      1. 1.51
        Please note that I have not left the room. 😡

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      2. 4:13, I thought I could smell ya 🤢

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    1. The King has gone to great pains to remove all traces of himself from the internet. He has exercised his right to be forgotten on many occasions.

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      1. Who is The King?

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    2. WTF are these links that lead nowhere?

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      1. ‘WTF are these links that lead nowhere’
        what is life? what is anything? where are going? what is our purpose?

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  28. There has been one heck of a ruckus at Diocese of Middlesborough and the Safeguarding Commission Chair has walked out, apparel after having a massive row with Terry Drainpipe, and they are now advertising the role for new applicants online. One name keeps popping up in these rows, FarrardayCage!
    Apparently, the Commission in Middlesborough has been kept in the dark over sunny Spain, as well!
    https://middlesbrough-diocese.org.uk/11815-2/

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    1. The clerical world gets weirder and weirder. Do I infer correctly there has been trouble at mill in Valladolid. Is that still considered to be a major seminary? It’s loaded with cash going back to Philip II, which I imagine is tied up to its original purpose, so what to do with the place? Is Faraday-Cage part of St Luke’s Manchester? Why the hell would anybody go near any of these people and places? Questions which never get answered.

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  29. MAGNA'S MUMSY..😣😣😣 11th Feb 2020 — 5:44 pm

    Oh how the brave love to hide behind laptop anonymity and spew out their shit! Moral Cowards.

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    1. and what’s your name exactly?

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    2. Apropos to what? And what’s your real name, Lottie?

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  30. We all need to stop this

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  31. The Catholic Church has become incapable of making moral judgments. Instead it hides behind its self-assured certainty on one issue:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/11/rhode-island-richard-bucci-priest-abortion

    Do we want to be part of an organization which thinks abuse of children outside the womb doesn’t really matter as long as we prioritize the rights of a cluster of cells which in up to 25% of cases can result in a miscarriage? I am NOT arguing about abortion, but pointing to the obscenity of an organization which uses its opposition to abortion as a moral trump card. Vile.

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    1. The priest was absolutely wrong about paedophilia not killing anyone. He needs a kick in the ass. Likewise do you at 7:51pm with your nonsense that the child in the womb is “a clump of cells”.

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      1. NB @8:20pm you deliberately change my wording, and show yourself complicit in Catholic propaganda. How do you dispute my comment that a foetus in its early stages of development is a cluster of cells? How do you distinguish a miscarriage from a child? Perhaps you don’t; whereas I would. On what grounds then do you think I need a kick in the ass? Who is speaking nonsense?

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      2. At 9:20pm, you’re too stupid to realise that you’re simply pushing abortionist propaganda. According to the “clump of cells” argument that’s all any of us are no matter what stage of development. Science proves that unique human life Is present from the moment of conception.

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    2. 7 51: You’re not arguing about abortion?? Really! You ignorant person. What were you before you entered the world!! Just a clump of cells? Glad your mother didn’t think that as you wouldn’t be writing such nonsense, lies and scientific untruths. You’d have been dumped in a bucket in some hospital-screaming!! How blind and ignorant of you, abortionist, killer of babies.

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      1. @9:22 and @9:36 you both refute yourselves, so who is “stupid” or “ignorant”? As, I thought, though without hope or expectation, I had made clear, the argument is neither for nor against abortion, but about the Church’s manipulation of what -it thinks -is a moral absolute to exculpate itself from other crimes against humanity. Though Magna would, I think, disagree with me regarding abortion, he is probably one of the few posters intelligent enough to argue the point which you two clowns cannot grasp.

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    1. You managed to be ageist, inaccurate and peevish in about 10 words!
      7.51

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  32. Great to see so many pro-aborts got kicked out in the General Election. Did you know, Pat, that Zappone’s missus was an ex-nun who somehow got a job in the 1970s in St Patrick’s College, Drumcondra, where she trained teachers for Catholic schools?

    https://gript.ie/many-of-the-most-strident-voices-for-abortion-have-lost-seats-in-election-2020/

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    1. SF are pro abortion and they got the highest share of the vote?

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      1. well in theory they are pro abortion. Peader Toibín left the party because he was pro life and there are a number of others who vote along party lines.

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  33. O wasn’t it a windy, I appreciate my woolly blanket and electric pretend coal fire. There is a song so long its been good to know you. Maybe dear old dermo could give us a bar or two. Isn’t there allot of anonymous peoples on here. its like Forsale signs on the high street-a wee hot whisk cloves and lemon I think. Toodle PiP

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  34. Roman Catholic Diocesan ‘Independent Investigation.’ 😂😂

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    1. Fintan and Iggy.

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  35. The age profile of the two abused seminarians was 18 and 19.

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    1. 10.52
      Produce evidence for this.

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    2. The above seminarians need a sense of closure. Pat If possible you could act as a advocate and discuss this horrific issue with their parents. Pat I’m sure their parents would be welcome a house call. Please phone them before calling in, I will forward the house addresses by private email. Please give my best,

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      1. Pat you are Pastoral to David and Aidan. Thank you.

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      2. My only wish for them is that they are well safe and happy.

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      3. You must be joking at 3:00am. Those two lads and their families – the last person on earth they want anywhere next or near them is Pat Buckley.

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      4. Pat could you please hold a Vigil and mass for the two lads and their families. Maybe if invited they would go to, this would help them.

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      5. I will offer Mass for them next Sunday at 12 noon on The Oratory.

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      6. Pat please record the Mass and upload.

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      7. Please record the Mass and upload to the Blog. Pat let the World see a community of Unity agianst Maynooth abuse.

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    3. Scary just passed puberty. How much did Fintan pay for the psychiatric care of the two lads.

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  36. 10.16: You obviously don’t like when you are found out in telling the big lie about a clump of cells!! Let me repeat: you are stupid, ignorant and unlearned. Go back to biology classes. Abortion is the killing of an UNBORN HUMAN BEING. Simple as.

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    1. You are stating a point of view which begs a great many questions.

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  37. Pat organise a Mass and candle light service for the Maynooth victims and survivors. This could be a good public event.

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    1. Eamon Martin and Fintan Monaghan might go.

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    2. A good pastoral idea and it may help stop the network. Pat invite the media, local gov and the Hierarchy.

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    3. Pat go all out in the homily.

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  38. Publish the special Mass for Maynooth abuse survivors . Sunday 12 noon inform the media and Government.

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    1. Please invite all including Seminary Council.

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  39. One or two malcontents with an axe to grind whipping up a storm in a teacup.

    If a seminarian discerns that leaving the seminary is the way for him to go then his time there has been a success. The seminary has served its purpose.

    Others commenting from a position of ignorance but happy to jump on a bandwagon. The two sems who left were not for the same diocese.

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  40. This Sunday we pray for an end to Maynooth Abusers. We pray that the predators will surrender themselves to the Gardai or PSNI . We pray also for a redress scheme for the survivors. Recognition for those who were raped, beaten, pathologically tortured and forced to submit to a select few.

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    1. Hypocritical abuse of prayer at 3:17.

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