EMAIL FROM VICTIM OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE.
Dear pat, I don’t know if you can view this RTE news video on the shameful take over of the Catholic scandal and an attempt to sweep it under the carpet.
I began my life in St Patrick’s orphanage in dublin and was turned into an orphan by the McQuaid/deValera alliance and never saw my natural parents again, in spite of the fact that my natural father was paying the nuns for my upkeep until he could do so no longer!
This should be made known to ireland, as I can’t believe that there won’t be protests about it.
I have long since given up a Christianity the the clerics themselves don’t believe in.
Kind regards Xxxxxxx.
10 ways institutional abuse details are still being kept secret
Updated / Monday, 2 Mar 2020 08:24
“The McAleese Committe archive contains all State records concerning the Magdalene Laundries and likely contains some information relating to the as-yet unidentified burial sites of many women who died while incarcerated” Photo credit: IFI
By Maeve O’Rourke
Opinion: why is the State’s insistence on secrecy around the institutional abuse which happened in Ireland stronger than ever?
It is over 20 years since Taoiseach Bertie Ahern’s 1999 State apology to survivors of Ireland’s Industrial and Reformatory Schools. Explaining his motivations for the apology some years later, Ahern told the Ryan Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse that “the reality is we were dealing with a group of victims who were decent honourable people, who had suffered and deserved the State’s [sic] best apology the State could give”.
This is a truism worth reflecting on: victims/survivors of institutional abuse in Ireland are decent honourable people who deserve decent honourable treatment by the State. In other words, victims/survivors of institutional abuse are equal citizens who have the same constitutional and human rights as everyone else.
It is only by recognising and respecting those rights now that the State can demonstrate remorse for, and capacity for change from, its previous pattern of abuse. This is a principle that should have underpinned all responses since 1999 to our terrible legacy of unlawful family separation and systematic cruelty and exploitation in institutions nationwide.
From RTÉ Archives, RTÉ News reports on Taoiseach Bertie Ahern apologising on behalf of the state and its citizens to the victims of institutional child abuse on May 11th 1999
Censorship of survivors and archives
But while rightly establishing some statutory investigations and financial payment schemes, the State has at the same time exercised its legal powers for the last two decades over the evidence contained in witness testimonies and the archives of church and official bodies to censor survivors and keep personal information from many.
Survivors have been treated as though they cannot be trusted with the evidence of their own past. Public access to non-sensitive documents such as administrative files, inspection and financial registers, and burial location records, has also been prohibited.
The church authorities in turn have felt no obligation to establish public archives that are readily searchable and accessible.In this way, survivors’ access to the courts and Garda complaints mechanisms has been gravely hampered. The ability of many to piece together their own history – including such fundamental aspects as their own identity and health conditions – has been denied. In addition, society’s opportunity to properly engage with our recent past and dismantle the similar systems that prevail at present is significantly curtailed.
Why we need an independent national repository
Now is the time for political leaders in Ireland to announce the creation of an independent national repository which gives survivors and relatives of the deceased all existing personal records. The national repository should also provide public access to testimony voluntarily deposited, archival records and other material evidence of our shared history.
This was the primary recommendation of the Clann Project, an evidence-gathering initiative of which I am a co-director with Claire McGettrick, upon publishing our Principal Submissions to the Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation. These submissions to the Commission of Investigation drew on 79 witness statements drafted by the international law firm Hogan Lovells LLP.
The Government should heed the clear and carefully-devised Set of general recommendations for truth commissions and archives published by the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the promotion of truth, justice, reparation and guarantees of non-recurrence in 2013.
The human rights abuses described by survivors are among the most serious recognised by the international community
Canada offers an example of how to construct national archives of institutional abuse records, as Dr James Gallen of Dublin City Universityfrequently argues. The Canadian National Center for Truth and Reconciliation, established recently at the University of Manitoba, houses millions of digitised records taken from government sources, Indian Residential Schools and the religious bodies involved in managing them, survivor statements (given voluntarily to the archive) and other community events and hearings conducted by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission over the past decade. The National Center’s policies and activities are overseen by a Governing Circle including survivors and their ancestors and a majority of whose members must identify as Aboriginal.
Ireland’s human rights record
The State’s ever-expanding censorship of testamentary and archival evidence is unlikely to fully survive future litigation. Putting survivors through the intense stress and delays of litigating for access to basic information will be yet another incalculable failure on all of our part.
Ireland’s international human rights reputation is also at stake, as critical reports and urgent recommendations by independent treaty monitoring bodies and human rights experts continue to pile up. As Dr Carole Holohan wrote for Amnesty International Ireland following the Ryan Report’s publication, and as I have written with colleagues in the Clann Project report and previously in the Justice for Magdalenes’ report on the Magdalene Laundries, the human rights abuses described by survivors of Ireland’s institutions and adoption system are among the most serious recognised by the international community.
Forced disappearance, torture, inhuman and degrading treatment, widespread arbitrary detention and systematic violations of the right to respect for family and private life all require the State to investigate in a manner that includes victims/survivors. The State has obligations to allow access to judicial complaints mechanisms and to ensure that victims/survivors have the means of obtaining redress including as full rehabilitation as possible.
From RTÉ News, Sharon Tobin reports on Clann Project’s finding that the State’s insistence on secrecy around adoptions causes human rights violations
These things all depend on the State producing the evidence it holds and forcing the production of privately held records. An independent national repository is an essential way of showing that Irish society and the State mean to treat people differently than we did before.
10 ways in which institutional abuse information is still kept secret
(1) The Retention of Records Bill 2019, which Minister for Education Joe McHugh recently introduced in the Dáil, proposes to withhold from public inspection every document gathered or made by the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, Residential Institutions Redress Board and Residential Institutions Redress Review Committee for no less than the next 75 years. This includes all survivor testimony and all administrative records and other evidence of the operation of Industrial and Reformatory Schools. The Bill does not provide for survivors to be given a copy of their own testimony or asked whether they wish their testimony to form part of the national historical record during their lifetime.
(2) Almost no prosecutions appear to have arisen from the investigations of the Ryan Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, as the advocacy group Reclaiming Self has highlighted. The Government’s explanation to the United Nations Committee Against Torture is that “the provisions governing the Ryan Commission’s work precluded the disclosure of the names of persons identified as perpetrators, hence this information was not available to An Garda Síochána for the purposes of initiating criminal investigations.”
From RTÉ Radio 1’s Drivetime, a report on the publication of the Reclaiming Self report into the treatment of institutional abuse survivors
(3) Under the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2002, it is a criminal offence for survivors to “publish any information concerning an application or an award made under this Act that refers to any other person (including an applicant), relevant person or institution by name or which could reasonably lead to the identification of any other person (including an applicant), a relevant person or an institution referred to in an application made under this Act.” Not only does this legislative provision appear to prohibit survivors from writing or speaking publicly about their experiences of seeking redress, but Reclaiming Self states that some survivors have interpreted it as preventing them from reporting their abusers to the Gardaí.
(4) The ongoing Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation is refusing to provide survivors or the family members of the deceased with any of the personal information that it holds concerning them. In one letter to a survivor seeking her own records, the Commission saidthat its refusal was “in order to safeguard the effective operation of the Commission and the future cooperation of witnesses”.
Meanwhile, as reported by Conall O’Fatharta of the Irish Examiner recently, the Commission said that it was refusing to inform families of the whereabouts of their relatives’ graves because underpinning legislation makes it “an offence for anyone, including a member of the Commission, to disclose or publish any evidence given or the contents of any document produced” and as a result “we cannot inform the families”.
From RTÉ Archives, a 1999 report from RTÉ Radio 1’s Morning Ireland after the State apology about if the commission of inquiry has the powers to investigate what really happened
(5) The Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation is refusing to provide survivors with a transcript of their own evidence to the Commission.
(6) The Mother and Baby Homes Commission has decided to reject all survivor requests for public hearings, while the evidence that it gathers in private will be sealed for at least several decades according to its underpinning legislation and current High Court case law caselaw.
(7) According to its grounding legislation, the archive of the Mother and Baby Homes Commission will not be available for future use in civil or criminal proceedings.
(8) Regarding the Magdalene Laundries, the Department of An Taoiseach has repeatedly refused to release any of the contents of the McAleese Committee archive claiming that it is holding the archive “for safe keeping” and “not…for the purposes of the FOI Act”.
The ability of many to piece together their own history – including such fundamental aspects as their own identity and health conditions – has been denied.
The non-statutory McAleese Committee returned all religious-owned records at the end of its work. Its archive contains all State records concerning the Magdalene Laundries, including administrative and financial files, and likely also contains some information relating to the as-yet unidentified burial sites of many women who died while incarcerated.
(9) There is no statutory right for adopted people (whether lawfully or unlawfully separated from their family) or people who were placed in informal or illegal care arrangements as children to access their early life files. As noted by the Clann Project, this is at odds with the legal position in Northern Ireland, England and Wales, Scotland, Germany, Spain, Austria and the Netherlands, among other jurisdictions.
(10) There is no explicit statutory right of access to personal records for relatives of children or adults who died in State or institutional care, many of whom still lie in unmarked graves.
The views expressed here are those of the author and do not represent or reflect the views of RTÉ
106 replies on “IRISH GOVERNMENT SEALS ABUSE INFORMATION FOR 70 YEARS”
What’s the point of having information if those to whom it pertains can’t access it in an appropriate manner hi For how long was the fact that the world is not flat before the cover was lifted on the truth. If governments think we can’t handle the information then it’s they who need to wise up but
@10:55am Hi Sean. Where’s Magwa these days?
are you a pp, curate, pastor, vicar or what these days?
Fly on Th Wall:
Because knowledge/information is power. Power, truth, justice. Get the picture. Hope this helps
So the Republic of Ireland State CONTINUES to collude with the dirty institutional Romanist Church, to protect it, and to propagandise implicitlt about its innate goodness.
Thank F**k I live in the ‘Black North’.
Just watch Sinn Fein do absolutely nothing to help survivors.
11.07: And, Maggie, aren’t we so, so, so, so, delightfully glad that you, bitch majeure live in the Black North! Go and scratch your faux a**e…and faux a***r. Your rage is USELESS. Achieves nothing, nothing, nothing.
2pm. Well it certainly gets you going!
To be fair you do need something better in ur life!
it all comes down to money, money, and yes you guessed it….MONEY!
The Church is the House of Satan now .The light has long since gone from it .To stay as part of the institution is to support all the wrong it has done , and is doing .
So you’ve left then “A Priest”?
2.02 and 2.38
So you two are complicit in this satanic institution, the Romanist Church?
At least the other guy has shown self-insight, and moral decency.
Meantime, you two can continue to sponge off the people you so ungraciously exploit in the name of Christ.
Truth is, ‘Fathers’, as a distinct demographic, you people are more despised than were the Nazis. Think on that, ‘Fathers’.
3.33: Poor auld Mags the Rag, hungover as usual. The slug and worms must certainly enjoy nibbling at you under the rocks..Aren’t you just a desperately hateful, angry, little farthole? All the energy wasted on spewing out hateful, repetitive “parasite” prose. Well, well, Mags, if you got paid for the frequent, repeat usage of your ugly commentary, you’d be a millionaire…But Magsy, you ain’t rational or normal. More a simpleton and a morally skewed fool. As the Americans say, trailer trash. Stink, Stink, Stink 🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴😘😘🤔🤔😘😘🌰🌰🌰
Did you say something? 😅
3.51: Your problem Rags Hater is you have no capacity to LISTEN. Drink is steadily destroying your faculties.
Well, you are heads and shoulders above most of my detractors here, since you did manage to say something terribly intelligent and insightful about me; so well done.
Yes, I have absolutely no capacity to listen…to utter balderdash, especially should it come from a Romanist priest.
8.24: Magna, you are easily pushed into stupud, infantile behaviour and reveal your utter dysfunctionality – it’s all so sad.
Where to now for the celebrity priest, Fr Ray Kelly, Bp Pat? Do they have an Irish version of ‘Celebrity Mastermind’ on RTE.
7:20- Giving dance lessons?
I think it’s a moral outrage that information that’s relevant for a person’s life history is being concealed. The truth is that both the State and Church agencies (medical, social, canonical, judiciary etc…) inspired over the decades to act in a self serving way hoping to eliminate a conscious memory if the horrors which happened in our institutions. The church’s religious orders and hierarchy are guilty of reprehensible and inhumane treatment of children and vulnerable people (abuses observed by many through high failings as people passed by). The state agencies consigned these people to such places without any proper supervision. I believe that all victims/survivors are, in justice, entitled to all relevant information.
I’m not sure I follow all the legal ins and outs of this business, but I do get a sense that underlying all off the excuses and reasons for non-disclosure, nicely packaged up in legalese, is an institutional and national reluctance to face the full glare of the horrible reality of what went on, perpetrated by State and Church. I think one lesson we have learned from the abuse crisis is that transparency and honesty, no matter how uncomfortable in the first instance, is the best way forward for all. Coverup and obfuscation, in the interests of trying to protect interest groups, especially the authorities and institutions, is a recipe for disaster and for on going problems. It seems that the State is reverting to type. just as the Church still drags its feet in this area, and only gives up information kicking and screaming. It’s depressing, and so disappointing. I can guarantee you that powerful and influential individuals in State and Church will have made decisions about these things with the interests of the establishment in both institutions at the heart of their decisions making – namely, priests, bishops, cardinals, politicians and senior civil servants.
The truth will set you free but the truth costs money. So, stuff the truth!
8.25: Excellent comments. I agree with you 100% . A very reasoned, intelligent comment. Magna, take note of how to be a balanced, informed critic.
I think you’ll find that the same poster expressed support for me farther down the blog.
(Just sayin’ quietly, like. To spare your blushes. 😎)
Should it be Irish Hooverment hi. Information in 70 years is no good to anyone. If people think they may be affected by this information shouldn’t they be granted special access but
The disgraced rector of the Irish College, Rome – Mgr. Ciaran O’Carroll has been asked to step down.
Diarmuid Martin has thus appointed him as Vicar for priests in the Archdiocese. Does Diarmuid have any sense at all? Thanks for leaving us with this puppet!!! Ciaran is widely disliked by the majority of the clergy here. He handled the Irish college issues appallingly. The man is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Ciaran you are NOT welcome back here.
As per Dublin Diocesan email, Ciaran O’Carroll has been appointed vicar for priests in Dublin.
Why is he leaving the Irish college in the middle of the year? What went down?
Can we see a copy of that email, please?
Yes. I will send it soon.
I sent that email to you.
Got it. Will publish tomorrow on a blog about Ciara.
That’ll be nice, Bp Pat, I always have a look at 11 pm. It sends me to sleep.
The bishops have turfed him out on his backside 🤣. Diarmuid is trying to save his reputation.
Fanny will be next for the chop. Watch that space. Her heretical homily finished her off. Bishops angry and embarrassed by it according to sources close. Gay Maynooth cast in a bad light again after the Grindr sex scandals and “strange goings on”. Fanny will be packing her hope chest and vanity case and waddling back to the Bog.
Ciaran O’Carroll will not be getting that bishops hat that he longs for +Pat. He is leaving Rome in disgrace. Demoted to vicar.
Oh how the mighty have fallen!
Remind us of what he has been up to. What’s he presided over during his time at the Irish College ? I thought the place was populated by Third World students and priests renting rooms there, rather than training Irish seminarians, who spend their time out and about the bars, restaurants and trattorie of Rome, not to mention the more interesting places when you can find diverting fun ! Perhaps the place needs to be closed, and sold off. I’m sure a nice hotel chain would love to buy it and its grounds.
Dear Archbishop Martin,
The sting of a dying wasp!!! Why couldn’t you just leave? Thanks for leaving us with that absolute bollocks.
Sincerely, the entire clergy of Dublin.
How dare you come back to Dublin and take a role which is intended as a “caring” role for priests. You ONLY care for yourself and your own reputation. Did you “care” for the seminarians you fecked over? Did you support Conor Gannon when he begged and pleaded with you to correct the false stories circulating about him? No, you are spineless.
Good luck in the new job
Stay friends with Ciaran Mcdermott he will be your only one in the Diocese.
Machiavellianism is alive and active in the church! It is not clericalism or homosexuality that is the cause of sex abuse in the church-these are red herrings and distractions to divert from the truth.
Machiavellianism is recognised by ruthless self advancement, disregard for all others and “love of money”(the root of all evil.
I certainly know many clergy with these worrying tendencies. One boasts about, being the “Curate Crusher”. absolutely destroying parishioners who opposed him. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover it was he who stabbed Brian Coyle in the back! Time will tell. “et tu Brute?”
It is effective immediately. What happened for a rector to leave suddenly during the school year?
There is a scandal here.
Will he not have to self-isolate on his return? I wonder.
What did Ciara expect? She was not good enough to even be the chair of history in Maynooth. Charlatan!!!
The dublin clergy are disgusted by this
Dermo “me car was stolen” Martin has had the last laugh.
11.49: Wrong, absolutely wrong. Were you stopped in your career by Dermo?
No. I currently serve a parish in Dublin. I am sharing the general feeling that other priests have shared with me. This is NOT good for Dublin priests.
A new archbishop will come along in the next year or two, so Ciaran’s role will probably be short. A new man will have a clear out and put in his own people. So, don’t worry. He won’t be around for too long.
Did Archbishop Martin select his new house in Dublin yet?
Somewhere near the airport I bet….malahide, swords, donaghmede, portmarnock.
12.38: Wrong……Valencia Island is his chose place…failing this, Malta..
.. or Craggy.
+Pat, shall you and I go investigate this one? You can do the talking, I’ll do the shouting. I think we would make a great team! 😊
You as Fr Dowling and me as Sister Steve – the only Nun who can hotwire a car and bypass the electricity for the single Mother on benefits 💖
What we need is for people to make a noise; turn a few ‘tables. Raise a few voices; approach a few foyers.
‘’A Criminal offence for any victims to publish details of their abuse !’’
+Pat, that legal bill is inflammatory in its own right: to the cor of every victim. However, it is at the same time, an admission of sorts.
Is it possible that part of the healing process for these victims of abuse, in particular, is a common ground? A place to come together and share their hurts and pains. When two-or-three are gathered, I am in the midst!
Is it possible the Irish government have passed this bill because they were involved, on an administrative level, with these instructions? If this being the case: this is immoral and possibly constitutes a degree of complicity in law.
‘’Praise Him upon the loud cymbals: praise Him upon the high sounding cymbals.’’
—— The joyful noise God desires does not draw attention to the noise-maker or disrupt others… A joyful noise begins within a pure heart and radiates upward, finding expression in ways that honour God and His creation. When joy overflows — our actions reflect that joy.
According to Maeve O’Rourke’s report, ‘the State’s (Republic of Ireland’s) ever-expanding censorship of testamentary and archival evidence is unlikely to fully survive future litigation.’
O’Rourke’s prediction is a toss of a coin. But what is certain is that the State has the money to tie up these matters in litigation, indefinitely; the survivors have not. If O’Rourke’s prediction is reliable, then many (perhaps most, or even all these survivors) will be dead before any resolution, saving the State, and the satanic institutional Romanist Church, various small fortunes.
It is interesting that parties in the Dail (Republic of Ireland House of Commons) that would be considered radically socialist, like Sinn Fein, are disturbingly quiet on all of this. A group that presents itself to the public as a party for the people seems ready to abandon (perhaps already has abandoned) a vulnerable and exploited part of that public who have been ‘shat upon’, over successive generations, by the Irish State and by the satanic institutional Romanist Church. But then, what do the little people matter to Sinn Fein; they have bigger fish to fry.
It’s part of a recognisable political pattern worldwide, that parties, like Sinn Fein, traditionally associated with the radical left, ditch the very radicalism that won them votes when they take their seats in various parliaments. They turn native: become respectable, and polite. Or, in Sinn Fein’s case, all middle class, and SDLP.
As for Romanist priest-pimps in Ireland, listen very, very carefully. You may hear one or two of them protest this massive injustice by the Irish State, in collusion with the strumpet they each serve, the Romanist Church. But here’s a caveat: don’t hold your breath while listening for any of these ‘good’ priests to make such protest, because you’re likely to die first.
Magna, in Liverpool they are all ‘good’ priests (some genuinely so). However, nobody knows anything; nobody thinks that their impetus will be of any help and so forth. I am afraid it is NOT good enough — you cannot be a true follower of Christ, while at the same time, sit back and let the foxes attack the lambs! You are ALL complicit by your inaction!
Writing articulate — although very kind and supportive: acknowledging the situation under a vail of semantics — Lenten reflections is NOT taking Action. Come on guys, where is fire in your bellies? You are priests! Let your love for the Lord light up the world — for goodness sake: Break the Mould! Are you, or at you not, head over heels in-love with the Lord?
Could YOU be the reason the younger generation are unwilling to step foot in a church or even entertain the concept of Jesus of Nazareth? The future of our faith is in your delicate and nimble hands (unfortunately!).
—— Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: ‘’These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.‘’ Mark 7:6
You are like warm.
That’s exactly it. The priests who protest on here that they try their best make me sick. I used to look at our parish priest and think what a prick he was, with nothing but self interest in mind. I have seen nothing to change my mind about that in the decades since, and this applies to all priests.
There are no exception.
Three parasites together.
Oh! If only I were there…with a huge bowling ball. 😄
4.31: Your brain needs to be removed from your arse, Maggie! Perhaps you should quickly find the heaviest bowling ball and shove it up your “ass” that it might reconfigure your brain back into its rightful place!! Ha, Ha, Mr. Hater! 😁😁😁😁😁😁🐱🐱🐱🐱🐺🐺🐺🐺🐆..miaow, miaow, miaow…
Who’s the geezer to the left of Pell in the little lacey number?
The woman on the left is Fr. Gerard Deighan the latin mass queen from dublin. He trained Fr. Marsden (badly) how to say the latin mass.
Says it all really
8:56 They seem to enjoy dressing up in frocks frills and lace
He’s one of the gay knitting and crochet latin circle.. Pure thick as well, absolute moron
It is equally interesting that the Dublin archdiocesan priests commenting here today are doing so, not on the massive injustice by the Irish State against survivors of institutional abuse BY that state, and by the satanic institutional Romanist Church they each willingly and cowardly serve, but by… 😲
Oh, my! By the appointment to the archdiocese of another Romanist priest-pimp they don’t like.😨
Good to know your priorities are in exemplary order, you self-serving, spongers and parasites.
Useless, the lot of you.
Utterly useless. 😅
What were the priorities when it came to child sexual abuse, abuse of vulnerable adults, and its systemic cover-up? The glory of God and good of the church? Like hell.
I don’t often agree with you, MC, but on this occasion I think you’ve got a very good point ! The blog theme today is essentially about transparency versus cover-up, and all the priests on here can do is complain about one of their own who has got thrown out of one job and launched in to another, where he might have some influence over them as vicar for priests. Again, they show themselves to be supremely interested in – yes, you’ve got it – themselves !
And, to those priests who come on here and complain about the Church, remember that you are an implicit and vital support upholding the Church and all it does. If you think that it is doing wrong, then you have a moral duty to do something about it, rather than just being tacit and trying to avoid upsetting your own comfort and security. It would be nice to see some priests with real balls and some courage to call out what has happened and continues to happen in their name. But, I don’t see too many prepared to take a stand, prepared to jeopardise their affluent and comfortable lives. Says it all…..
There are far too many moral cowards in the priesthood and hierarchy.
Most wouldn’t say boo to a goose. They could have united and challenged the rot but will not do so out of sheer fear and self interest. No excuse for inaction.
Good post at 6.02
More significant than the silence of the Romanist priest-pimps are the Romanist episcopal pimps.
We all know by now that the subordinate priest-pimps are too self-interested to risk losing their comfortable, financially parasitical livelihoods and homes to risk distressing their bishops by speaking out against the current banditry by the Irish State. But if their bishops took the lead here, as self-proclaimed ‘Successors of the Apostles’, the priest-pimps, though moral cowards, would follow sheepishly 😅 behind them.
Who’s willing to bet that no Irish bishop will speak out against this draconian censorship of documents that could help survivors of institutional abuse, by both the Irish State and the Romanist Church? (This includes bishops in ALL northern dioceses.)
It wouldn’t be a gamble at all, would it? 😕
6.02: MAGNA CARTA using “anonymous”….crazy idiot.
Don’t forget the seminarian-pimpettes.
Poster at 6.02
From what the halfwit at 7.36 has said about us (that you really are I), you may begin to believe me when I say that I am often, and falsely, accused of posting on this blog under ‘Anonymous’.
“Magna” I wouldn’t believe the Lord’s Prayer from your lying lips. You’re a seminary reject and you’ve never got over getting booted out.
Were I a seminary reject, I should consider the rejection an unequalled honour (given the appalling notoriety of Romanist priesthood) rather than something to be permanently pissed off about.
To belong to such a club of self-serving, self-pampered, self-aggrandising, workshy, financially parasitical, Christ-betraying, kiddie-fiddling moral reprobates (and more 😃) is nothing to aspire to. Really. 😨
10.09: REJECTION type comment again from Magna the Rejected One. What a horrible life you must have given your parents after being flung out. Drunken dope.
What kind of arrogant man has a Wikipedia page published about them? Does he think he is that important +Pat? 😂
Bishop Buckley doesn’t have a page, but you are mentioned and described as ‘controversial’ on the Wikipedia page of St John’s College Waterford. 😁
”The controversial Bishop Pat Buckley studied there from 1973 to 1976 and was ordained from there on June 6, 1976, by the Bishop of Waterford and Lismore Dr. Michael Russell”
How come, so many priests are ever, so dysfunctional? ( just, wonderin, like)😮
Would you like to enlighten us? 😝
This article was not there this morning. You have them rattled pat. They know you had the story before it was released.
6.24: No one gives a toss what Pat may have revealed. I don’t. There are far more relevant issues to be concerned about, as in the contents for today’s blog. I have already made comments.
5.08: There are many things wrong and not good for the Dublin priests but this is not the forum for discussing those matters. You should know by now that once you beging to share these concerns you get ripped apart, mocked and ridiculed. You invite the hate filled words of nutters like Mad Magna and of Pat himself. He particularly enjoys throwing us to the wolves. So, may I suggest that the priests of the Dublin Diocese meet together and reflect more openly, discerningly, courageously and honestly in this matter. As for the subject matter of today, I believe all pressure should be placed on church and state bodies to share, give and reveal personal information to all who ask for them. This is a human rights issue but we’ll find that supposed legal advice (at a cost of millions) suggests otherwise. Anither grave, unforgivable injustice. Regardless of what Mad Magna rants repeatedly, I certainly will continue to frequently speak against injustices and wrongs (as I do) and support charities who work with victims/survivors of abuse. Mags, in a strange, twisted way, gives us some intimation of how children and vulnerable people were mentally and verbally abused as this is his trademark on this blog. Can we just envision a person (like Magna) let fly at an innocent child in a dark corridor and create uncontrollable fear, panic and anxiety? I can (thanks to Magna). Sadly, his approach is purely self serving, motivated by an experience of rejection and other dysfunctional behaviours. Thankfully his hatred is not contagious. I prefer the “do whatever you can” approach (in charity, justice and compassion) than the constant splurging of vicious nonsense, as per Mags. It yields better fruits.
I can confirm that the Dublin clergy will be officially challenging Diarmuid Martin about this appalling decision. We are no longer going to be subject to bad decision after bad decision by a bishop who has no regard for the care of his clergy. We have many priests that are vulnerable for one reason or another and Ciaran O’Carroll is not the man for the job. We need someone who is pastoral and not someone who is a self serving glorified wannabe bishop and academic!
Archbishop Martin could have appointed someone pastoral like
Fr. Liam Rigney
Mgr. Paul Callan
anyone but self-serving conniving O’Carroll.
The ACP are already on it!
There are many other options other than Ciaran O Carrol, as someone said more pastoral, like Declan Blake, Liam Rigney, Michael Carey, Larry Behan.
The A team ?
Yes, i agree. Any of these are better than Mgr. Ciaran.
Fr. Gareth Byrne
Fr. Kevin Bartley
Fr. Eamonn Bourke
Fr. Paul Churchill
Fr. Kieran Dunne
Fr. Joseph Jones
Fr. Gerry Cocoran
Fr. Paul Kenny
Fr. Donal Roche
Donal Roche would have been perfect for the role. Highly respected, pastoral and human.
are they all Gay ? three of them are anyway.
7 56: Are you having a laugh? You obviously know little about the Dublin priests! Not one of those you name would be suitable. Politics, machinations, manouverings, Machiavellian……
I do hope that you are not a Romanist priest, though my impression is that you are. I know that the standard of education these men receive nowadays, and the intelligence they reveal, is frequently jaw-dropping for its bemusing sub-mediocrity, but your post… 😢 What can I say about it that wouldn’t sound implausible, even though truthful? 😕
The thing is: Where did you learn such appalling English, and literary style? This can’t have come naturally to you, because Mother Nature does have standards to uphold.
And if you are one of these parasites, do you really believe that Jesus is even vaguely pleased with your linking the words ‘openly, discerningly, courageously and honestly’ in relation to any symposium the Dublin clerical sub-strain of the parasite might hold to discuss the topic of today’s blog? I’m asking the question seriously, not facetiously. Where is the display of YOUR openness and courage, priest, in posting anonymously? Oh, I see! You’ve started as you intend to continue, right?
If you parasites weren’t despised, you’d be comedic heroes.
A parting shot: I couldn’t tear anything, or anyone, apart here had you people long ago walked in Christ’s footsteps rather than your own.
Roman priests are not educated at seminaries, they are simply formed. Education takes place a colleges or university. The STB and STL are not nationally recognised qualifications (God’s own exam) – If one applied to a university holding either or both these qualifications, it would be a case of individual consideration.
Italy extends Covid-19 measures nationwide. Public Masses suspended in Italy until April 3rd.
8.08: Marge, as per my 7.27 comment. Thank you for your smarmy reply. I am a priest and I am grateful to God for the life given to me and like many priests I am trying my utmost to live in God’s expectations of me, albeit with great difficulties. I am as clever as you in hiding my name. It is known where and when relevant. Why shouuld I give you my name or to anyone on this blog? Pat is the only recogniseable priest as he owns this blog. Even you are “anonymous”, hypocrite. You most certainly are not courageous, open or honest. You do not have a monopoly on TRUTH. Your behaviour IS your responsibility and personally, from the evidence of your ugly narratives, I wouldn’t allow you speak to anyone in so vulgar or bullying a manner. Ever. Many of us try to make you realise the nastiness of your words which you vehemently deny. Such resistance is a bully’s tactic. As for your judgments – they flow off me like water off a ducks’ back. Somehow, Marge dear, you seem to despise many, many people. Hate speech is in your DNA. When commentators see through you, as happens frequently, you go into a volcanic rage of anger, mockery and ugliness. Your words reveal a very nasty person behind the multiple personae represented by Magna Carta. As for walking in Christ’s footsteps, I wouldn’t be so presumptuous to compare my ways to Christ but I keep HIS IDEALS before me. If you should ever desire to help me walk with Christ (in humility of course) and show me THE WAY, I’d welcome you with open arms. But……that requires courage and faith and … LOVE. Magna, my words hit raw nerves with you…which is why you return an ignorant reply. THE TRUTH HURTS YOU AS IT HURTS ME. Incidentally, my English is perfect. I could write my comments in Latin or Italian or French if you wish or as Gaeilge!!
Maybe you need to live His ideals!
Your comments, from a supposedly professional Christian, are anything but Christian.
No wonder there’s such an abusive culture in the Rcc.
He is not a tough guy he thinks he is. He was crying about his mother and father recently looking for sympathy. Ignore the prick!
9.13: Yes indeed, there are many on this blog who proclaim to be Christian but whose words betray CHRIST, chief among them is Magna. Sad.
In all seriousness, I impore you to spare the native speakers of those other languages you mentioned your atrocious command of speech. And not just for their sake, but for yours, too.
I can visualise you as a type of Officer Crabtree, in the comedic series, ‘Allo, ‘Allo! Forever expressing yourself badly…and to everyone else’s wry amusement. 😕
10.22: May I suggest Magna that you take a serious REALITY CHECK. You’re blindness to your own pathetic prose and your constant stream of hate speech render you morally reprehensible. You are so blind to your own impoverished language: it’s brilliant but only in its expression of vulgarity; hate, stupidity and repetitiveness. Try to enkighten and inspire and spare us your shite.
9:03pm – Both you and “Magna Carta” are every bit as bad as each other. The “Carta” composite has the edge on you as regards intelligence (if you could call it that) but both of you are equally tiresome and ‘yawnful’. Pity you are both not locked in “Magna”’s fetid, detritus strewn lair.
10.53: You are right. I believe Pat s should ensure that silly, boring, ridiculous, repeat tit for tat contributors be banned. The sentiments are the same between Magna and his enemies. Always off topic.
Fr. it seems to me Magna hit the raw nerves in you. Are you simply projecting onto Magna?
9.25: Monica, how did you escape from scrubbing floors to write so intelligent a comment?
10.37: A brilliant response to Mouthy Scrubber Monica…😄😄😄😄😄🤣🤣🤣🤣😅🐽🐽😎😎…poor Monique..
A-hah hah hah 😅😅😅
Priceless! (And not an implausible situation either, given the rising sludge of kiddie-fiddling by these professional perverts. 😕)