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ALL PRIESTS AND HALF OF SEMINARIANS HAVE COVID19 IN GERMAN SEMINARY.

THOUGHTS IN COVID19 TIMES

Hold on to your dreams.

For if dreams dieLife is a broken-winged bird

That cannot fly

(Langston Hughes)

1 PETER 5:10
And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.

On the evening of March 13, the seminary had first announced that a priest, who stayed at the seminary as a guest, had contracted the virus. At the time, the community, which is dedicated to the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass, had stated that all Masses in Wigratzbad would take place without the seminarians joining.“With the powerful help of faith, hope and charity, we do not let ourselves be discouraged. In a few days, the first healed ones will be able to take over from the newly sick, to maintain the spiritual and material life of the house,” the seminary community wrote.

Since God only allows evil for the sake of a greater good, the community expressed its confidence in the Lord “who alone is able to give meaning to our temporary existence on this earth.”Since the reception of Holy Communion on the tongue had already been banned, the FSSP declared that only the celebrant would receive the Eucharist. The faithful were encouraged to do a spiritual communion.

On the next day, the French blog of the seminary, which has a German-speaking and a French-speaking section, clarified that the priest first infected was from Italy.“The whole seminary has been in strict confinement for a week, because the disease spreads rapidly. A dozen priests and seminarians are showing flu-like symptoms, forcing us to completely reorganize schedules and services. Cooks, cleaners, secretaries … we have to do everything by ourselves, but everyone is generous and adapts without difficulty.

”The community is using the quarantine to meditate on the meaning of life.“Life is short and fragile, and if one is worried about one’s health, one must be even more concerned about one’s salvation. The invisible threat of illness stimulates us to trust more in God, and to increase our prayers and penances even more,” the French blog wrote.Earlier this week, the government prohibited gatherings of any kind in churches, meaning the public is now no longer able to participate in Mass in Wigratzbad.

This year, 90 seminarians are preparing for the priesthood in Wigratzbad. The community received 30 new seminarians last fall.Meanwhile, 59 religious sisters in Italy have been tested positive for coronavirus.

Just outside of Rome, one convent of the Daughters of St. Camillus, composed of 40 sisters, was isolated. Additionally, 19 members of the Angelic Sisters of St. Paul, also located outside of Rome, were diagnosed with coronavirus.

According to reports 28 priests in Northern Italy have already died of coronavirus.“Avvenire, the Italian newspaper owned by the Italian bishops conference, attributes at least 28 of these priests’ deaths to COVID-19, and also notes two additional cases: that of Fr. Guido Mortari, who died of pneumonia before he could get tested, and Fr. Giorgio Bosini, who had a serious underlying medical condition,

“Courtney Mares wrote.

The vast majority of priests who died were over 70 years old. The youngest died at 54.

PAT SAYS

The death of any human being, especially at a younger age, or from a pandemic like Covid19 is sad.

In a place life a religious house or a seminary, where a medium sized group lives there are extra risks and dangers.

It would seem to me that these seminarians and nuns would have been better at home isolating with their families.

It is very simplistic to think that Mass or the Rosary on their own can cure Covid19.

“God helps those who help themselves”.

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112 replies on “ALL PRIESTS AND HALF OF SEMINARIANS HAVE COVID19 IN GERMAN SEMINARY.”

It’s becoming increasingly clear that iur death rate will rise and be a great tragedy for the bereaved. Our nation is grateful for the wonderful dedication of our health care and medical personnel. Their dedication is inspirational, even if It’s their chosen work. They deserve our support. It’s very sad to read about elderly religious in communities who may not have families or relatives to stay with. Their convents are their homes. This virus is lethal. Let us pray for one another. Itv s a critical time for our country, for our world and for ourselves. God be with us all. Mass and Rosary will give deep spiritual comfort. Pat, so far you have offered only cynicism. Horrible. What about Go Fund Me? It’s not working on line….I wonder why?

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Let’s hope so, Bp Pat, or put up another GoFundMe link to help finance professional help in setting up a better blog page. The webcam specialist will probably know someone who can help you.

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For excellent information and advice on Covid 19 please see Dr. John Campbells channel on YouTube. He is a medic educator. He has been uploading videos on the pandemic since late January. Things will get worse before getting better. “This too shall pass.”

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Blessing to be broadcast live by RTÉ News Now tomorrow at 5.00pm
“Pope Francis’ blessing will be an opportunity to avail ourselves of Divine Grace.
Tomorrow Friday, 27 March, at 5.00pm Irish time, the Holy Father Pope Francis will preside over an extraordinary global celebration (Statio orbis) of prayer. It will take place on the sagrato of Saint Peter’s Basilica, Rome, the platform at the top of the steps immediately in from of the façade of the church. The ceremony will consist of readings from the Scriptures, prayers of supplication, and adoration of the Blessed Sacrament; and will conclude with Pope Francis giving his Urbi et Orbi (to the City [of Rome] and to the world) blessing. During this prayer ceremony the Pope will grant to participants all over the world a plenary indulgence in the context of the Coronavirus.

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9.14: You, Magna, have nothing worthwhile to offer, but your deep poisonous hatred. That is a VIRUS we do not need now. You are beyi d uselessness. You continue to be trapped in dysfunctional behaviour. Thank God you are isolated. Your spits of virus venom would kill…..

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9.14: People need HOOE, OPTIMISM, PEACE WITHIN, HEALING, ENCOURAGEMENT….None of which you, Mag Rag could ever offer. You represent the total oppisite, darkness, poison, hatred. Grow up and come into the real world of humanity. God bless Pope Francis. God be with him.

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God gives His grace generously and directly to people.
If you wanted to give people a drink of water would you give it to them in a clean glass or a dirty bucket?
In this regard the RCC institution is the dirty bucket.
Of course I do believe in Gods grace through Sacraments also and those Sacraments belong to God and not the RCC.

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9.14: Joseph Lollard : you like the spits from Magna! Really…stand far, far away…from this giant of hatred. Pray for Mags. Pray that he be emptied of pouson and vengeance. An unwanted voice of caca at this time of crisis.

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A. It will be interesting to see in 6 months time or so if the annual death rate is substantially higher than it would normally be. Whilst there are the exceptions, by far the most likely to die are the very elderly and those with serious underlying health conditions. Many of these are likely to die in the normal course of events in the near future. CV might be a contributory cause, but for many the main cause is naturally coming to the end of their lives, or because they have a condition that may well have caused to them to die anyway. The figures, seen retrospectively, will be very interesting and I believe will give a different perspective to the apocalyptic view that is currently around.

B. So, people like the FSSP, and perhaps other traditionalist groups, prefer to not take communion because now they are asked not to receive on the tongue, and presumably believe that they should continue to have such a principled stand on not receiving in the hand, that they deny themselves communion ? Isn’t it ridiculous that groups like this get so hung up on issues that they then cut their nose off to spite their faces ? You can’t help asking what the good Lord would be saying about these people who are so stuck in their trench that they can’t see beyond their navels ?

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9.03

At last! Another voice of reason.

In retrospect, this, largely manufactured (over-dramatised) ‘crisis’ will indeed look very different.

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9.17: You, Carta continue to downplay this tragedy. Go drink yourself more stupid and sleep. You have nothing worthwhile to offer. Only the usual denial of facts and truth. Your narrative is bizarre. Try to redeem some dignity and decency for yourself.

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9.32
Remains to be seen?
Statistical projections are already available. For example, from Oct 2019 to March 2020, the death rate globally from influenza (flu) virus 250,000 – 650,000; from Covid-19, over 8000.

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11.27
Like with like?😕 I was comparing the death rates of two viruses, in the same family of viruses, in the same time period.
What is your problem?😞
Magna Carta

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There is no vaccine for covid19. There is for influenza. What about people unable to be given treatments for cancer,etc, operations postponed to due hospitalizations as a result of CV-19. What about suicides, as a result of financial issues; mental health difficulties; medical staff succumbing to the virus due to hospitals dealing with covid 19 admissions.etc.
Not all deaths occur among the elderly with underlying conditions.

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Magna Carta
True, there is no vaccine against Coronavirus as yet, which makes the comparison of death rates for the two viruses in the time period I showed all the more startling.
The other possible deaths you mentioned (from cancer owing to cancelled operations, etc) would not be directly related to Coronavirus.

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11.49: You are right. This pandemic will have huge ripple down effects. This should not be undermined (as by Magna). Being on the ground as a priest (not now) I know many families will be challenged where there are already difficulties, separated families, children and young people who are vulnerable, people with depression, j9b losses and the financial crisis. Now that we are very restricted in our contacting and interacting we must still do whatever we can for one another. Using the CORONAVIRUS to attack the Church is spectacularly backfiring on the small band of MaggiePattieHaters. That some want Pat to return to gay sex scandals is indicative of their moral bankruptcy and shows the carelessness of their priorities at this difficult time.

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12,42

When did I use the Coronavirus pandemic to attack what you call ‘the Church’?

MAGNA CARTA

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MAKING COMMENTS HERE

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE EITHER YOUR NAME OR EMAIL ADDRESS WHEN COMMENTING.

JUST LEAVE THOSE TWO BOXES BLANK AND PRESS THE COMMENT BUTTON.

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It didn’t: I have to type ‘Magna Carta’.
Pat, this format isn’t working too well.
I have just tried to type my username, ‘Magna Carta’, but I couldn’t.

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Well I made a comment, did not fill out either box and it published? Am hoping to get help today.

I’ve been advised to switch from wordpress.com to wordpress.org for better functionality.

I am having problems publishing text and media.

I have also been advised to use a paid for THEME instead of the current free one???

.com is famous for functionality issues.

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Covid-19 day-after-day can get a bit depressing, Bp Pat. How about an update on the “Little Hitlers in Killaloe and Magherafelt” to cheer us all up.

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Pray away the virus! Check this tosh from +Keenan of Paisley – ‘ This reading reveals something amazing; that when we pray we can change God’s mind; when we pray, we can change the course of world events; when we pray, bad things that were about to happen are prevented from happening. The message to us today in this c-virus crisis is that our prayers really do work. And there have been so many prayers. Our priests are still celebrating Mass, Morning, Noon, Evening and Night Prayer in intercession for deliverance from the disease, many of you are joining them for Masses online, or praying Rosaries, Novenas and Stations of the Cross. So, keep up your prayers of Adoration and Praise, of Thanksgiving and Blessing, of Confession and Repentance. But above all, keep up your Petitions for yourselves and your Intercessions for your loved ones and others. God is encouraging us to redouble our prayers for the next phase. Remember; God hears every prayer and answers and, if prayer can move mountains it can also help wipe away a little virus.‘ Reads like Trump!

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So true! Holy Mother Church (as if living in a shoe) forgot to give the majority of her own Dawn Morning Noon Afternoon Evening and Night Prayer. Those ARE directly between you and God! If you haven’t got a Holy Office read more Scriptures and say more Our Fathers!

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A. It will be interesting to see in 6 months time or so if the annual death rate is substantially higher than it would normally be. Whilst there are the exceptions, by far the most likely to die are the very elderly and those with serious underlying health conditions. Many of these are likely to die in the normal course of events in the near future. CV might be a contributory cause, but for many the main cause is naturally coming to the end of their lives, or because they have a condition that may well have caused to them to die anyway. The figures, seen retrospectively, will be very interesting and I believe will give a different perspective to the apocalyptic view that is currently around.

B. So, people like the FSSP, and perhaps other traditionalist groups, prefer to not take communion because now they are asked not to receive on the tongue, and presumably believe that they should continue to have such a principled stand on not receiving in the hand, that they deny themselves communion ? Isn’t it ridiculous that groups like this get so hung up on issues that they then cut their nose off to spite their faces ? You can’t help asking what the good Lord would be saying about these people who are so stuck in their trench that they can’t see beyond their navels ?

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It remains to be seen.Lets hope you are right. Without a vaccine huge numbers will be at risk of contracting the virus and dying, particularly in countries like India or the African continent. Hospitals are being overwhelmed for very good reason.
Groups like the FSSP are ‘too holy’ for their own, and others good, at this point.

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In the UK it is estimated deaths will be at least double this year. Flu deaths are greatly reduced so far: some of the 40 variants probably chases flu away. The functioning of the variants probably results in resistance to other variants being low. One or more variants will probably leave people with encephalitis.

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Reading the blog makes it evident just how much superstitious claptrap is bound up with Roman Catholicism vis a vis evil and suffering in the world. I don’t know who wrote the article about the German seminary (Was it Courtney Wares? It isn’t clear.), but he or she says that God allows evil to bring about a ‘greater good’. This is ‘the end justifies the means’ argument, and it should come as no surprise that it may have originated with the Italian diplomat and scoundrel, Machiavelli.

So God is no better than Machiavelli? And seriously, good is dependent on evil?

Moreover, what happens post-Apocalypse? Will God destroy the Devil now that he is no longer dependent on Lucifer, and his minions, to help him bring about good?

As for human suffering, the author speaks of the need in these times for doubled prayers and penances. Again, seriously? So God is exceptionally flint-hearted and cannot be moved unless people make themselves suffer?

Roman Catholic superstitious nonsense.

Magna Carta

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It’s funny, while I don’t agree with this view I was thinking it was good that at least here is a go at trying to reconcile a major disease with the theology of a good and all-wise God?
My own opinion is that these kinds of events are the proof that there isn’t a god of the type above, however I find at least an attempt to reconcile the two things better than the pious platitudes which have been said so far. The other problem is of course that praying in this situation is a false positive because there is no way of proving what effect if any, praying has on the virus.
What I find most dangerous is the idea mentioned yesterday that praying changes God’s mind. When people still die from the virus this is setting up those who pray for an accusation of lacking faith and thus trapping them further in the faith trap.

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Absolutely agree Magna. The whole farrago of RC mumbo jumbo to “ward off evil”; “beseech the Deity “; ” atone for our/others sins” is such a monstrous scam that it’s very magnitude makes it seem an unquestionable truth. And the RCC capitalises financially on ” believers ” to perpetuate their role as the only path to “salvation!” And all this bullshit is indoctrinated into innocent children.
Oh aye, and the RCC clergy line their pockets while maintaining their status as well.
MMM

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1.39: MOURNFUL PEGGY – Magna’s half sister is peddling his vile, obnoxious, crappy anti Catholicism again! The enclosure of isolation is turning Peggy from the Mournes into an irritant. Peggy, look at your empty atheism. It justifies your privilege of talking the talk.but not walking the walk….Now, out you go and try to contribute to someone in need. Oh, I forgot – you’re an OAP.. Try tiddlywinks! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😉😁😉🎎🎎🎎🎎🎎🎎🎎🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻..Go play your fiddle somewhere else.. 🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻..

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1.34: Magna, read and reread your own wirds. You are vitriolic and poisonous every opportunity you get. You try to undermine the awfulness of this pandemic by contradicting the professional medics. You spill and spit out only hatred. That’s your daily offering in criticising, analysing and condemning. There’s not a decent fibre in your body. STFU….forever.

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2.31
Are you the Romanist moocher who posted at 12.42?
That parasite accused me specifically of using Covid-19 to attack what he called ‘the Church’. I invited him to provide evidence for his accusation.
If you are indeed he, you haven’t provided one shred of evidence in your latest post for that accusation-cum-lie.
Everytime a Romanist scrounger lies about me (and it is done frequently here), you diminish yourselves, and your faith, more and more.
You remote God.
Well done, you spongers. 😀
MAGNA CARTA

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3.05: Thousands dying of CORONAVIRUS and this plonk Carta is dancing on the head of a needle about facts and statistics. You utter gombeen. You, trollope Mags are deliriously mad. A rare specimen of ugliness.

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3.05: Are you, Magna Rahrah, looking for a clatter across the mouth? Go into permanent isolation but make sure your rocks are warm.

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Many thousands more die of flu every year, but this FACT does not make the news. So plonkers like you are now tearing out their hair and shrieking: OMG! 😱 THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!
Well dearie, it has. Not Coronavirus; it’s ‘novel’. But deaths from the family of viruses it belongs to have, seasonally, and in much higher numbers.
‘If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs…’ 😕

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We are all very concerned about the projected death rate from CV Anything under twenty-thousand in the UK would be a ‘good result’, said the Chief Medical Officer the other day. I’ve been thinking, however, about how we get upset and anxious about some things, and not so about other things that are arguably even worse. So, for example, in England and Wales last year almost 25 per cent of pregnancies were terminated, admittedly some early, and some late. In 2018 that was just over 200,000 abortions.

Now, I am not suggesting that we should do nothing about CV or not have a concern for the many people who will die from it. I just wonder why we accept with little discussion or reflection 200,000 abortions each and every year ? I don’t think of myself as hard line on abortion, and I have a great compassion for women who find themselves in very difficult circumstances such that they consider abortion as a possible solution. I understand all the arguments about women’s rights, about autonomy etc. I just still feel uncomfortable with this rate of abortions. But we never bother about it as a nation, really. But, a one off possible 20,000 death rate, mostly, if not exclusively older people, many with underlying health conditions, is something that we are greatly exercised over, and will take drastic steps to minimise.

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The difference of course is that medical terminations are initiated by humans and deaths from Covid-19 are not. I don’t think they can really be compared.

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2.58
So the UK’s Chief Medical Officer is expecting deaths from Covid-19 to exceed 20,000??
If he did, he is going to have a very red face when this Coronavirus lunacy is over.

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Elsie has just sent a letter to retired clergy that Westminster can no longer guarantee pension rights under these extreme circumstances. Tells them to rely on the NHS and social security instead. Says dioceses can no longer fund this. Scary.

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Tells them to rely on the NHS?
So these spongers have always received private (expensive, and fast-tracked) medical treatment while Catholic plebs joined NHS queues?
Rams and ewes, (aka ‘The Sheep’), may I present your shepherds?
The ones who have been fleecing you for decades.😕

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Funny how one of the richest and most powerful organisations in the world claims not to have access to ready cash. Are the tenants in the church’s properties in London not paying their rent?

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Can you prove otherwise. Show us the letter hasn’t been sent. I know 5 retired Priests who’ve received these letters today and literally shitting themselves. Interesting the same letter stresses not to be communicated to the media.

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7.29 How can I prove that something hasn’t been sent? Surely you’re the one that has to prove that it has been?

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Well, how else do you expect to be treated by a feudal, medieval, grey economy that wants to keep control over you by keeping you tied to them even in retirement ? Retired clergy receive grants from the diocese, which is like charity, and hardly enforceable in law. Whereas, a proper pension from the State or a pension provider has the rigour and force of law behind it. I feel for these priests who have given loyal service, and have not been able to provide independent pension provision for themselves or to save money, or probably to even buy a property (most will be living in Church properties). I’m afraid Nichols will have to do better than this. His cashflow from the parishes might have dried up, his investments stalled, but the diocese will have considerable reserves which they, like everybody else, is going to have to harness. If he treats the retired priests with the contempt and lack of care which this report suggests, then he is going to have problems with his active priests who will be thinking about how they can avoid being reliant completely in old age and retirement on the likes of Nichols and Westminster. Any trust they have in him will quickly evaporate (and it appear they don’t have much trust in him currently and many detest him for him habitual ambition, hauteur and contempt of them). I bet his house in Chiswick will still be available to him, and he will continue to live in some degree of gentility and comfort when he retires soon. Perhaps he should put that nice property on the market and use the several million £s to tide over the retired clergy during this period ? Will he ? Of course not ! But watch that space. Just remembered ! What happened to that big drive they had a couple of years ago to help pay for retired clergy ? Where has that gone ?

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CMOC lived in total luxury in Chiswick in retirement. Elsie will do the same. The property belonged to Chiswick parish in the past belonging to Mgr Curry and his Curate Daley. Both pastors have moved on to better places, funny that.

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Anon@ 7.05. I like your accurate description of how the RCC treats its staff. Yes staff, for that’s effectively what they are. And you are spot on in calling out the RCC common practices. My best hope is that currently practising clergy would pay heed to this to take action to secure a decent retirement .
MMM

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5.18: Lollard The Brave: you represent the pessimists, the selfish, the naysayers, the mockers, the haters, the reckless begrudgers, the fools…What uplifting words has your puny brain to offer? Stay in your trailer trash.

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7.49: Marge: give yourself a good hand rub: you are all pissed up with rage, jealousy andvgatred. Nothing good resides in your fractured dysfunctional life. Give yourself a little pleasure, that’s assuming you have “one”…!! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🐃🐃🐃🐃🐃🐃🎃🎃🎃🎃😅🐴🐴🐴…prick!!

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8.39
Nothing good resides in my fractured…What was the rest?…dysfunctional life?
Right now there’s a superb single malt.😉
MAGNA CARTA

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And you represent…what? A lying, self-aggrandising, self-pampered, mammon-worshipping, Christ-betraying, kiddie-fiddling, kiddie-fiddlers-protecting WHORE.
Happy t’know you’re one o’ the good guys. 😊

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I have always found that gaying away the pray is more effective than the other way round… Unless one bumps into a priest of course

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Very appropriate description of +Vincent. His Eminence has started the ball rolling. Heard from a retired priest friend in Hertfordshire who got a letter today from His Eminence. Basically saying you’re fucked and you’re on your own. Harsh but sad.

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Also, overheard at No 11 bus stop:
– Whose that frustrated old queer?
– Oh, that’s just… Mrs Alf Garnett.

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“All priests and half of seminarians have Covid-19 in German seminary.”
That’s probably not all they’ve had, Bp Pat, the gay whores.

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7.58: You horrible nasty creep. We’re you to be struck with this CORONAVIRUS I doubt if I could be sad for you. People like you give humanity a bad name. You, hater, deserve all that karma can bring.

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7.58: And you I presume are a straight whore….the type of so called hethero who will take anything that can satisfy his filthy desires…the type that chase men. Oh yes, whore!

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It is a simple matter to prove this letter either way. Will someone take a snap of it and email it to Bishop Buckley?
I agree that church correspondence does not normally say that it is not for publication, however it is obvious that it isn’t for publication!

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Latest from Pink News. First nurse in New York to die of Covid-19, Kious Kelly. He had an underlying health pronlem asthma. He was 48. poor man.

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Pat, I hope you were listening Taoiseach Vradakar tonight. Now is the time for all of us to stand together in solidarity in our kindness of sentiment, care and concern. As he spoke I could feel a darker cloud hang over us, darker than the grey sky of today. Surely, a thoughtful, reflective blog is now required to offer support and comfort, prayers that will sustain us in hope. There are many, many people much more fearful tonight. I have 2 retired priests – both 85 – and they have been great workers up to recently. Now I am concerned about them. I cannot now visit 3 very sick family members as their immune systems are low. Many elderly cannot now be visited with Holy Communion. You too will feel the effects of the new restrictive measures. Pat, can I plead with you to suspend narratives that are cynical, condemnatory and unkind. Can we for once be united in a common purpose to support, help and show kindness at this time. None of us know the direction of the unfolding of this virus. I wish you God’s blessings.

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The comment by this viper at 10.20 sums up this blog. A forum for delivering hatred in bucketfulls from this piece of crap, Pat’s puppet.

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“Corona virus death toll could reach up to 1.7 million in US, according to worst case scenarios.”
Beyond deaths, pandemic could greatly overburden US health system. Independent 15 March 2020.

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Shame on you Pat: you have lost all respect and integrity in continuing to allow Magna pour out his horrible nastiness on any person. It seems to me that you, Pat, depend on him for ratings. Shameful and sad. Are you not capable of human or Christ like goodness of heart at this juncture of our history. My neighbouring parish for which I also have a responsibility has a CORONA VIRUS death. The family are distraught and I could only offer them comfort over the phone. We will undoubtedly have many similar moments soon. This virus brings layers of grief than the normal flu related death. These families do not deserve the belittlement and pain of idiots and boors like Magna. Pat, respect yourself and your blog at this time.

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11.11
Dear Rev Fr Moocher, when a bribe of £500 doesn’t work, I suppose there’s no alternative but to get down on your knees and supplicate.
Manage to scrounge any money from the grateful grief of that family? I’d bet you did, you parasite.
Those layers of pain you spoke of: you’re one of them, you scrounger. 😀

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11.11: You may as well talk to the wall. Pat is glorying in the nastiness he manufactures. Himself and Magna – Satan’s Whores of Babylon. Irredeemable crapheads. Hell bound.

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