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ENGLISH / IRISH BISHOPS READY TO DUMP ON PRIESTS?

I had a call from an English priest today to say that his diocese are writing to priests and quizzing them about their savings, assets and benefits.

The priest is quite certain that his diocese is doing this so that they can deduct monies from priest’s salaries and the pensions of retired priests.

We were told on the Blog the other day that Elsie Nichols has sent an even more scary letter to his priests.

There seems to be a plan afoot in England, and possibly Ireland, to find reasons to give serving and retired priests less money.

There is also a suggestion that some bishops are going to stop paying Private Health Insurance for priests.

Furthermore, there is talk about removing retirement homes outside the diocese for retired priests and forcing those priests to live in diocesan presbyteries with serving priests.

There will also be a cut back on paid sabbaticals.

There are two kinds of RC bishop – bishops who take the care of their priests very seriously – and those bishops who bully their priests and treat them with contempt.

Funnily enough, the scary John Charles McQuaid showed great care for priests – especially priests in trouble.

THE CURRENT IRISH BISHOP AND THEIR ATTITUDE TO PRIESTS:

  1. Amy Martin, Armagh – good to priests who toe the line. Nasty to others.
  2. Diarmuid Martin – Dublin priests greatly dislike him.
  3. Kieran O’Reilly – Cashel – ????????
  4. Neary of Tuam – Harmless enough apparently?
  5. Brennan – Ferns – Harmless culchie apparently.
  6. Deenihan – Meath – Self centred.
  7. Ray Browne – Kerry – Fussy culchie.
  8. Crean – Cloyne – as useful as tits on a bull.
  9. Phonsie – Moody Opus Dei.
  10. Doran – Elphin – Believes that homosexuality and Downs Syndrome come from the same gene.
  11. Duffy – Clogher – Harmless culchie.
  12. Duffy – Ardagh – Afraid of his own shadow.
  13. Duignan – Clonfert – New. ?????
  14. Farrell – Ossory – another tits on a bull man.
  15. Flemming – Killala – sneak.
  16. Gavin – Cork – Safe man.
  17. Kelly – Galway – under the spell of the older clergy. Weak.
  18.  Leahy – Limerick – Harmless.
  19. Mc Guckian SJ – Raphoe – safe man. In over his head.
  20. McKeown – Derry – Clown.
  21. Monahan – Killaloe – repressed little twirp.
  22. Nulty – Kildare – Big Girl. Can’t stop running around.
  23. Router – Armagh – Harmless culchie, I think.
  24. Treanor – Down and Connor – autistic, Big Spender. Door knobs and expensive wine.

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72 replies on “ENGLISH / IRISH BISHOPS READY TO DUMP ON PRIESTS?”

I really could not care less about the ‘plight’ of retired Romanist priests.

They have private health insurance??? Says a lot about their exceptionalism and privilege, because most of their former parishioners could not afford such insurance; for them there was nothing but ever-lengthening NHS queues. But not for ‘Father’.

I won’t say exactly what I think of these parasites, scroungers, and moochers, but the first word of the phrase rhymes with ‘luck’.

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Pat, as a retired man myself I would be worried. It’s hard for a man like myself but I know so many people having it hard. When I see what the bishops are at Its bad all together because they are being hard on us. Sorry.

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This is not new. Elsie started culling clergy years ago. Pushing them into shared Presbyteries, making them rely on State benefits. Heartless minx. Now the other heartless clerics wearing funny hats on their heads have grasped Elsie’s idea and think it’s a good chance to save cash. They are culling.

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I suppose the Chiswick pad will be classed as a shared presbytery when + Vin moves in ? Him and the nun ? And maybe a priest secretary for the sake of decency ? Or will he move in a couple of retired priests he’s turfed out of the retirement lodging and put on short rations ?

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Hold on a minute! Shared presbyteries generally do not mean a tower block on a sink estate, but usually a very nice and comfortable large house with every amenity and comfort built in – all provided for these “Jack Hacketts” for nothing. By state benefits, you mean the state pension, which is what a lot of us have to live on anyway – and pay the gas bill out of it. Get stuffed, Father – you are at last sharing the lives of your people!

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10.35: You, begrudger, go and get stuffed too. Your type are nauseatingly sick, tiresome and boring. When would you like clerics to be marched to the public square for stoning? Utter moron.

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That’s right, Father @5:49 – call me the tribune of the plebs! We’re finally “begrudging” your sense of entitlement and parasitical life-style.

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Do I detect cracks emerging within the fraternity? Will there be a falling out within the respective ‘ diocesan families ‘ ‘? Tell the diocese to f*** o** and mind their own business about savings, assets and benefits.

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Pat. My brother who is a Priest in Lancaster, UK has been looked after well by his Bishop. Priests there have been told to take
£1k a month from the Parish account to cover living expenses, plus the same amount as last year they received from Easter offerings. I think that is the amount Parishioner’s gave to last year’s Easter offertory collection that goes to clergy in his Diocese. This will really help him, so good news there at least.

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A thousand a month for pocket money + Easter and Christmas offerings is pretty good going. I don’t believe that Father has to worry about paying Council Tax, utilities and travel out of this, let alone household maintenance costs or even food – which can be sneaked under the wire of parish expenses. I’m not impugning your brother’s personal integrity, Liam, as clearly he just stands here as a generic type, but anybody with experience of clergy life-style knows how the system works to Father’s advantage – particularly with a tame parish council. Petrol “expenses” can usually be turned into a nice little earner.

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Is this in addition to his state pension of £175.00 per week, so he could be receiving £21,100.00 per year? What a greedy man.

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I suppose that they will be asking priests to give them a copy of their tax return, which should be confidential. So, I question whether they have a legal right to do this, and somebody should challenge it as an intrusive invasion of personal privacy.

I would ask the bishop and the vicar general to publish their own tax returns before they ask for anybody else to do so. I’m sure that the likes of Nichols and others will have very nice pots of money stored away in investments etc.

Isn’t there are line in the bible about the labourer being worthy of his hire ?

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8:11 am
Exactly. Lead from the front by publishing their own tax returns, savings, assets and benefits.
There are lots of lines in the Bible conveniently ignored, such as the one about, children, harm and millstones.

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Anybody want to do a list of characters and their traits for the English, Welsh and Scottish bishops ? For example:

Westminster / Nichols – ambitious, cruel, autocratic, unloved…
Southward / Wilson – untested, not a bundle of fun….
Birmingham / Longley – nice, kind, but pretty ineffective….
Liverpool / McMahon – bumptious, over confident….
Cardiff / Stack – dunno, but definitely not Welsh !…
Edinburgh / Cushley – Roman, prissy, quietly ruthless…

….Others ?

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Longley is a nice man, but I am pretty disappointed in him. He has handed a major parish, All Souls’, Coventry over to the Ordinariate. You might well ask what the history of the “Anglican patrimony” is in that parish which had paid for by the Catholic poor precisely to reverse the Anglican experiment. A few weeks ago before lockdown, the appalling Keith Newton turned up and gave over his sermon to talking about himself and how unfair it was that he wasn’t a bishop, even though he dresses as one. Just what Coventry needs! Thanks for that, Norah.

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Maybe Newton isn’t a bishop because he’s married ?! If he wants to belong to the RCC for whatever reasons he has, then he has to accept the rules of the RCC, and one of them is that there are no married bishops. Tough ! If he wants to be a bishop, then he should go back to the Anglican Church with his wife and he can get a “real” pointy hat there ! I’ve never understood the alacrity with which the RCC has so readily taken in all these ex-Anglicans, and especially the Ordinariate ones. So many of them are trouble. Especially the bitchy, gin soaked, queeny metropolitan ones.

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Absolutely spot on @11:52! They have brought their own divisive pick-and-choose which bits you like with them. Just like the Anglo-Catholics they are, they continue to operate in their own little enclave and bus around the country attending each other’s “Solemn High Masses” with Newton dressed up pretending to be a bishop. He even claims the privilege of the “seventh candle”, though not stuffed up his own arse where it belongs.

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St Andrews & Edinburgh/Cushley – cold, dismissive, Romanist, cruel, camp
Glasgow/Tartaglia – prayerful, clever, works hard, wants to retire
Paisley/Keenan – ambitious, creative, bossy
Motherwell/Toal – pleasant, looks after Clergy, struggling
Dunkeld/Robson – bored, good friend of KOB, so kept out of the way
Aberdeen/Gilbert – spiritual, clever, loner
Galloway/Nolan – who?

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Hate to say this but I think Wilson is a good man. He’s dealt with stuff when he was looking after Leeds, is very pastoral to his clergy, likes a laugh, is down to earth and is probably the best of the Archbishops. He’s got great energy.

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Bp Pat, an excellent “Who’s Who” for those readers like me unfamiliar with all the Irish bishops. I am more acquainted with some of their camp names used on the blog.

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Amy was very good to Rory Coyle, Bp Pat, bent over backwards for him it seems, a flat in London and £25K a year by all accounts. I expect Rory will now be classified as a “key worker” delivering front line services. You couldn’t make it up!

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Are you suggesting + Amy is bottom and Rory is top ? How very…..of you ! I guess if Rory finds that the readies are curtailed, he will hot foot it back to Armagh with new found faith and compliance. When times are hard, you’ve got to do what it takes to keep the wolf from the door.

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There you are then. Consider that many people in London, also earning say 25K, have to spend up to two thirds of that on rent, and Rory gets a flat free – presumably not in a shared presbytery lest he contaminates it with the curse of homosexuality (ha, ha!) – you get an idea of clerical privilege, quite contrary to the clergy hard luck stories being peddled on this blog. And why are errant priests always sent to London, New York or California? These places are awash with priests – though some of them very dodgy indeed. I am sure there is much good they could do in Teeside or Wolverhampton.

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Once all this quietens down and things get back to something approximating to normality (as they will) and the likes of + Nichols and + Treanor are able to resume their travels to Rome and Brussels, it will be interesting to see if they economise and travel cattle class rather than opting for business class. Especially if, as is being reported, they have put their priests and retired priests on short rations. I think I know what will happen. Business class it will be !

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It will be interesting to see what the new ‘normal’ will be. I suspect less money will be spent on brass knobs, holidays in the sun, fine wines, and jet setting to Paris, Amsterdam,
Brussels or Rome. The baa baas won’t be footing the bill. They won’t be able to afford to foot their bills.

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10.45: Indeed, life will be different but your cynicism seems to suggest that clergy will be more affected. I have no difficulty accepting a smaller salary. I do worry about everyone, especially families who are under huge stress and anxiety, those who lost theur jobs and businesses that may not recover. My struggles are minor compared to all families and business owners and to the wonderful healthcare and medical staff who are incredible. I feel.too for community and family carers. Let’s put them first. Trying to manufacture and make up (lies) about what priests are/might say – all speculation – is mischief making. It’s ignorant and untrue. Cynics are useless in times of trials.

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Palm Sunday in this blog is rated interesting – I suspect all commentators, led by Pat the Mighty One would, instead of throwing branches of Palm before Jesus as he entered Jerusalem, would instead throw boulders, rocks and engage in mockery and ridicule. The words expressed so far today suggest.nithing else. A blog bereft of Christianity. And yet, Pat will celebrate the Eucharist today but will stand outside the passion narrative where he will find a place for all clergy but himself. The enemies, mockers and scoffers in the passion can be any of us but Pat is perfect, the rest of the clergy doomed for hell. God protect us from harm, hatred, vengeance, vindictiveness, anger, jealousy. Pour, O Lord, into our hearts the grace of Jesus, your Son.

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Get over yourself at 10:43 with your self-serving indignation. The commentary on this blog over the last couple of days has been pretty incisive – not to say prophetic. Just as Jesus’ entry into Jerusalem was a counter demonstration to a Roman triumph, so the clerical shysters, crooks and charlatans of our own day are held up and found wanting. Strength to your efforts, Pat, and to all those – including Magna – who say enough is enough!

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12.58: Did you sir participate through webcam facilities for Palm Sunday? Perhaps you need to ooen your eyes wider and observe the good done by many without seeing all through the bias and hatred of this blog. It’s a huge lie and a gross injustice to paint all with the same stroke. It’s Holy Week and we could each at least try putying on the spirit of Christ. Easy if you try.

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In answer to your question at 3:21 pm, no I did not, and may I point out that, had Jesus entered Jerusalem in order to point out all the good being done by the political and religious establishment of his day, he wouldn’t have got himself arraigned and crucified. It’s good you are rattled by this blog out of your smug complacency, Father, so do please carry on reading and carry on getting annoyed, and the penny might eventually drop that you serve a corrupt system. That’s the message of Palm Sunday.

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The Priests should tell the Bishop to ” fuck off” when he askes about what money they have !
It is disgustng at this time of health crisis they are more focused on this than finding ways to support people !

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It is only natural that priests will have to accept a smaller salary and this is as it should be. Circumstances will force this to happen. I suggested to a group of colleagues that we each make a contribution, within our means, and give it to St. v. De Paul, Br. Kevin and the charity for the support of our health care workers. So far almost 40 have responded and the donations are superb and as we connect by WhatsApp, emails and texts, we will continue this project. It’s a small idea but one that will benefit the very needy. Since we are almost isolated and just officiating at funerals and unable to visit families in need, priests can draw upon our parish charity funds and disperse them through the local Gardai who are in touch with the alone and elderly. All is done legitimately.

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Why don’ t you hand it over to your retired colleagues instead. It’s not serving priests the bishops want to punish but the retired ones instead. Shameful behaviour and lowest of the low.

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11.53: I do not approve of Bishops treating their priests in any unkind or uncharitable way. That’s outrageous. I have always believed that bishops really don’t take care abou their priests. Any problems of a psychological nature are kept hidden from our bishops. I encountered much personal issues (loss, grief, burn out, emitional stress) that required professional therapy. I was abandoned by my bishop but thankfully 5 years on I have recovered with the help of a wonderful, kind counsellor/therapist. As for our salary: we will have to take a cut. Undoubtedly, but it is outrageous that our elderly priests might be treated with disdain by any Diocese.

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10.59: I understand that the Easter Vigil is being televised from Mullingar Cathedral with Bishop Tom Dernihan. Thank God. We have recommended to our parishioners to follow thus Vigil.

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Magwa.

Good Afternoon hi fly.
Begorra fly is it the craggy or shaggy island crew.
Where’s bishop Len. He’s not in shot.
Must be out in Rome for Holy week.
Bye bye fly hi.

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http://www.westminstercathedral.org.uk/support.php

Westminster Cathedral making a plaintiff appeal for money ! They want people to give by standing order and gift aid. Fair enough in normal times, but don’t they think that people have more important things to think about at the moment ? Sterling 2.6 million is the annual cost of running the place. I am absolutely sure that the diocese and the cathedral have much more than that stashed away somewhere. Why not spend some of that for the next few months ? At a time when ordinary people are having to think about how they are going to survive for the next few months and having to dip in to their own savings and go in debt, why is the cathedral in Westminster not looking to its own resources to get through the next few months ? Before anybody gives, they should ask to see the full financial statement / annual accounts for the diocese and the cathedral and check for themselves just how much they have salted away that they could use. And even if they don’t have huge amounts, how about going to the bank and getting a loan, just like the rest of us ? I’m sure there is more than enough collateral to support a bank loan ! Really, this just shows how out of touch the diocese and the clergy are with real life and real people. Rather than supporting people already in difficulty, they think it’s okay to coerce people in to things that they can’t afford, and yet not take the first step of spending their own coffers first. I note that Clergy House comes in to the equation. The Cathedral Fathers are, I am sure, carrying on their rather comfortable lives during all of this ! People will remember that when they and the nations are struggling, all they get from the church is them bleating about their finances ! It’s another example of how they don’t get it !

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Don’t talk to me about Westminster Cathedral. I recall how the then Administrator, the highly unpleasant Mark Langham, got rid of the much loved Father Norman Brown, who had had a legendary ministry there, though blind, for decades. Norman was treated as a nuisance and packed off to a retirement home south of the river in a different diocese. It was very touching to read Charles Moore’s tribute to Norman, who had received him into the Church. No thanks to Langham or to the Cardinal – I cannot recall now whether it was Cormac or Elsie who allowed him to be treated so disgracefully.

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Been Palm Sunday the start of Holy week it would have been fitting and respectful of you to have ‘some what’ of a ‘spiritual’ blog but then what would one expect from you!

You’ll just never have or experience a Christian time in your life.
I offer up my prayers for you and the forgiveness of your shortfalls and failings.

Bitterly disappointed by you.

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Hi Pat. It seems like the camera and microphone are still on. Be careful 🙂 Is there going to be a recording available?

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The camera and microphone are on 24/7. The camera has an sd card which can produce recordings. I have not made any decisions about it yet.

There will be a short Benediction ceremony in 45 minutes at 5 pm.

LIVE MASS THIS WEEK

MON, TUES, WED 12 NOON

THURS, FRI, SAT 7 PM

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4.15: Pat – I’m sure you are aware that we don’t have mass on Goid Friday. Why are you not joining in union with all Christians at 3.00pm on Good Friday? Seems very wrong and quite contrary to your Catholic beliefs, whatever they may be!!! BUT 3.00pm Good Friday is A SACRED TIME…You should honour it…stop your nonsense. ..

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Don’t get too carried away with you new webcam, Bp Pat, a couple of online appearances a week is perfectly adequate, more is vulgar.

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I am celebrating Mass on line as a result of being asked to by members of my own congregation and others. Simple!

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I was in Noel Treanor’s palace one time doing a bit of work. The carpet was that thick it made you dizzy walking around on it. He went on a bit about the plans for the garden etc. This was in 2009 when the worst of the economic crisis was hitting. Surreal now.

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I am wondering whether the national insurance contributions of secular clergy are paid. I imagine they are but have also heard tales of religious orders which do not pay for their members.
Assuming they are these men would presumably be entitled to a state pension in the UK.
Welcome to the real world.

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4.41

MAGNA CARTA

They wouldn’t know how, being utterly dependent on the grace and favour of others (and being therefore, in the most literal sense of the phrase, UTTERLY USELESS).

Coronavirus isn’t the only parasitical organism infesting the human race.

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Pat, I am a huge admirer of yours but describing Noel as autistic is quite offensive, my nephew has autism and it should never be used as an insult, would you please take that out of you blog? Also out of curiosity what makes you think Noel is autistic?

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Bishop Buckley, I have no confidence in Eamon Martin controlling or monitoring Stephen Wilson. He has been passed around like a yoyo with older Clergy. What would Stephen Wilson do to a 70 year old Priest.

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Rory Coyle and Stephen Wilson are something out of a nightmare. Pat its beyond me why is Fr Michael Mullaney risking everything to shelter and protect Mr Wilson, it’s a similar story to the Kevin McElory intervention a few years back in Cork and Ross, Kevin like Wilson groomed their protectors offering many illcit favours worse than McCarrick’s carry on.

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£1000 a month? I’m a UK working priest and our personal allowance is £250 per month. I do not and never have lived an extravagant lifestyle – and wouldn’t want to. Do not tar us all with the same vile brush in the comments section.

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Leave my kittens alone, you think you can stop us, we have infiltrated all levels of the Irish Church. All who oppose us will be removed. My Kittens obey every word . Pat back off from Maynooth we have you under surveillance.

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