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COVID 19 – A TIME FOR THE RCC TO SQUEEZE MORE MONEY OUT OF THEIR “SUCKERS”

MESSAGE FROM A CATHOLIC PARISHIONER

Bishop Pat​

The above video shocked me – What a time to be asking for money. We have working families here going to Food Banks and his looking for money. I have emailed him telling him how disgusted I am.

Keep up the Good Work​

Regards​

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This is disgraceful- in a parishioner where parishioners are going to food banks.

NORTHAMPTION DIOCESE is one of the richest dioceses in England.

Every year it gets a lot of money left to them in wills.

Even the very bishop’s house was left in a will.

And this thing about the PPs wages in the Easter envelopes?

Northampton has a set salary for priests!

EGAN OF PORTSMOUTH AT THE MONEY RAISING TOO.

But Egan is stopping one step lower.

He is running a line at the bottom of his daily televised Mass looking money

EVEN AT THE CONSECRATION!!!

This surely is MODERN BLASPHEMY!

132 replies on “COVID 19 – A TIME FOR THE RCC TO SQUEEZE MORE MONEY OUT OF THEIR “SUCKERS””

Disgraceful, but may I return to a point made late in yesterday’s postings concerning the fall-out of seminarians long before they come to term? We are frequently reminded of the cost of training – someone said 30K per year for up to 7 years, but the waste is tremendous – let alone factoring in those such as Chris Derwin who get ordained but are then quickly found to be unsuitable. The number of years has nothing to do with intellectual formation, which is frankly pitiable, nor personal formation – likewise – nor spiritual formation – non-existent – but purely a testing as to who has by now been inculturated into the system and is therefore safe to ordained. Seminary is therefore a form of lobotomy, and highly erratic in its results. I am now waiting for the clergyman from north -ish London to tell me, yet again, that I must be a very bitter, sad and lonely person to be so disparaging. Who’s fooling whom, I wonder? Shall we now come out to each other, Father? I’m game.

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Begorra hi many “religious “ outfits use the the ticker tape line to update people while watching tv. Asking for money is and can be part of the agenda. Easter & Christmas collections may be given as priests wages but there was always something monthly as well in my memory. Remember too benefit in kind, house, food? Car support etc. It all adds up ya know hi. I see the point of the point of the the person who sent the link. Watch out for the new logo Pay As You Pray (ps this means you hi)

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10:37 am

Good evening hi fly.
Begorra fly are they takin to using ticker tape like the yankee doodle dandy
televangelists in the US of A. Pay as you pray might become the order of the day.
What next I wonder. Price of candles increase or charge on holy water along with
an entrance en exit charge. Mandatory three collections to support the junketeers.
Sur there’s no end of ways to tap the fateful.
Bye bye fly hi.

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Pictures signed by Mother Mary….but which Mary is it. This could 🐝 an ecumenical matter. I love my brick

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Northampton will be having a funeral soon for a past bishop – + Leo Mccartie, who died this week. It will have to be a quiet affair I imagine.

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I don’t know how things work in Northampton, but in the diocese where I live, priests have a monthly stipend, but that is taken from the Easter and Christmas Offerings and Mass stipends (which are paid into the parish account).

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Yes, I’m wondering that myself. This guy isn’t stupid, already has done a medical degree. How he’s been inveigled in to joining up with the OPs and wandering around like he’s living in the 13th century bemuses me, sporting a big f**k off set of rosary beads ! This Angel of Mercy malarky about going back in to the hospital is a load of tosh. They won’t let him near a patient to do anything meaningful because he’s been out of practice for a while. All he’ll do is wander around and get in the way. How a bright lad like that has been taken in with all the twee saccharine nonsense of Catholic piety doesn’t make sense. I worry too about him spending 5 or 6 years at medical school, mostly funded by the State, then just to up sticks and head off to the monastery. Surely we are due a refund for his fees ? Anyhow, he probably won’t last long once he’s got over swanning around like Savonarola in the habit and living with a pile of unkempt, unwashed smelly men. When he leaves, at least he’ll have a profession to take up again to support himself and his……eeehhhmmm, future wife ?!

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It’s all beneficial PR for the Romanist clergy.

They never miss a trick, but the Sheep keep falling for it by, for example, sharing the guy’s ‘heroic’ story on social media, like Facebook.

The comparison to Savanarola may prove prophetic for this Dominican.

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The Irish OPs have really gone in big for wandering around in their habits and black capes, haven’t they ? What’s going there ? They always had a reputation for being a thinking and sensible crowd. Now they seem to have swallowed the traditionalist message and luxuriate in being counter cultural and just irrelevant to anybody that comes in to contact with them. Except those given to the extremes. Oh, well, I suppose if they didn’t take refuge in traditionalist religion they’d be causing trouble some other way. However, it is just so odd that all these young guys are taking up the habit and rosary beads. As @ 8:52 says, for how long….?

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Re anonymous 09:24am.
I believe that Chris finished his training as a junior doctor (2 years in hospitals on various rotations). Junior doctors being seconded to COVID-19 duties are administering frontline care and monitoring of patients. This is why PHE notified final year medial students (who have no ward exoerience) that they may be asked to volunteer for COVID-19 duties. So the idea that he’ll “wander around and get in the way” shows that your comment, while delivered with confidence, displays nothing other than incompetence.
In relation to your comment on his university fees, perhaps you are of a later generation who was handed their degree. He would have paid for his studies through student loans which he is eligible to pay pack until the age of 65 should he earn above the threshold. Clearly he is not above that threshold right now, but he has come back to the NHS to serve when called upon – surely that’s worthy of praise rather than criticism?
Comments on blog posts should add value to the conversation, however, all you have done through your contribution is prove that, you sir, are an idiot.

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I will tell what the young Dominican will be doing in the hospital – a huge amount more than the vicious, hating, wicked and cowardly trolls, sniping and making malicious remarks, from the outer darkness.

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Pat, Im in no means the perfect catholic, speaking as a gay man! But to ask for money when the body and blood of Jesus is been broadcast simultaneously while asking for doe is definitely distasteful! Buck ejjits the lot of them

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Och Pat, dee ye nay hear a word afa the bonnie wee Scotties? Ah miss the kist o’whistles ah their wee whining and a wheedling voices so a do, och aye the noo.

Wee Inspector Hamish MacTaggart and his wee photee pixtures – up the airy mountains and doon the rushin glen – and him afeard to go a huntin, for all the bonnie wee laddies hae their wee wullies oot.

Och aye Pat sure the place is nae the same wi’out em and the wee kilts a swayin’ in the breeze.

Here’s a wee shanty fer ye all – “Och ye tack the hae rood and ah’ll tack the loo rood and ah’ll bae in wee Scottieland afore ye“. Am havin a wee dram, Pat, will ye hae wan yersell?

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12.37

‘…the queen of’ … blended Scotch? 😕

Frankly, if a decent brandy isn’t available, I should rather have an Irish…much smoother.😊

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If it was a parishioner (which I very much doubt) why emphasise they were a Catholic parishioner? It would hardly be a Protestant parishioner surely. It’s a genuine observation.

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Why doesn’t she sell her flashy, expensive Apple laptop to raise funds? Another genuine observation.

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I missed it first time round but this guy isn’t the priest. So the laptop might not belong to his parish.

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And what looks like a box for an iPhone as well. No cheap Lenovos or Samsungs there.
Sponging dossers the lot of them.

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It looks like a pre-retina 15inch Macbook Pro circa mid-2012 (light up apple logo is a dead giveaway).
It’s worth about £300 at most, assuming it has a SSD drive. If it has a mechanical HD then it’s not even worth that.

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I was told once that G K Chesterton left millions to Northampton diocese along with his house and land in Beaconsfield. Not sure if it was accurate at that time but the person who told me was an ex deputy Chief Constable.

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7:37 am

Seems to me, the response of the hierarchy to ‘the scandals’ in the Rcc is solely and only driven by money.

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9.56

Correct. This, and ostentatious, attention-seeking stunts with mobile monstrances.

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I switched off just after 0:55 when he starts saying:

“We may well have found our social life spending as greatly gone down. I am being very bold here — but perhaps you could even consider giving extra donations to our church, in addition to your regular giving… ”

I thought Sugar Ray was bold as brass, Bp Pat, but this guy takes the biscuit.

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Bp Pat, why doesn’t she do what Fr Sugar Ray Kelly recommends: “ring round a few people, and it will be at her doorstep in ten or fifteen minutes.”

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Of course, Bp Pat, they must think they can rake in money like televangelism in America.

Recently Dr Turtle said parishes have been “flooding the digital highways” with “millions gathering virtually” for Mass.

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I bet you @9.24am flood the digital highways yourself. It’s usually the case with those who shout about it.

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Phylis Egan does not let people know that he rents out all the empty Priest houses , and makes a fortune on it . He could pay for seminarians with that money ! 

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It’s just amazing how anti church and anti clerical narratives just keep being churned out. Saying that I think any blatant efforts by clergy to pressurise parishioners for donations has to be very carefully managed. There are some very wealthy parishes whose parishioners have voluntarily given generously without even being requested but we must be very sensitive and careful how we seek donations at this time and where possible we must give ourselves to needy families at this time. Personslly I prefer to wait until we are surer of the entire trajectory of this pandemic before making any requests…

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10.22: No Catholic priest can ever win with you Pat. It’s pointless tryng to be rational, balanced, thoughtful and realistic. Your focus is purely to elicit barrels of nasty comments. I despair at some of my colleagues and of the Church but do not paint all of us with the same sweep. There are many, many of us who do our utmost and carry out our ministry with genuine dedication. When such truth is expressed, there’s an immediate avalanche of poisonous vitriol. I am also of the belief now that ypur daily blog, while a great forum at times, is now commanded by a small following, clerics and non clerics. The language and phraseology are clear to see with some commenting 5/6/7 times a day or perhaps more! Efforts by you and some followers endeavouring to debate serious issues descend rapidly into vicious tit for tat, nasty exchanges. Is this your main objective? Enjoy the bank holiday weekend.

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Your whole comment sir suggests you are primarily concerned not to harm the goose production line of your “golden eggs.”
Is ” careful management ” (Your words) your forte? Or perhaps “being sensitive and careful how we seek donations ” is another of your key strengths? Another hypocritical springing dosser perchance?
Do you ever seriously reflect on why so many former followers of the RC institution have abandoned not only its religious practices but all belief in its validity and necessity?
MMM

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12.02: MMM can’t hide his disdain either. MMM, one of my strengths is my capacity for work, pastoral sensitivity, good management and total transparency about finances. I am only too well aware of parishioners’ struggles in every way at this time. I possess a sharp intuition for pastoral caring. My approach generally elicits positivity, engagement and fruition. I am saddened that someone of your experience and intelligence would in a horribly, cynical way, attribute the worst motivations to my genuine approach and caring. I am shocked that you could be so disdainfully dismissive. Your type of cynicism will never knock me down.

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12:02 pm

And, there’s the ‘entire trajectory of this pandemic before making any requests,’ remark. Thousands are having to resort to social welfare, many businesses will
never reopen, the economy is going down the toilet, but he wants to wait to see the trajectory of the pandemic. Talk about our of touch!
Lads, come out of the cosseted collective closet.

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12.02

Precisely, MMM.

Their manipulative priorities are as glaring as their lack of subtlety.

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Anon@ 12:37: Surely ‘self praise’ in recognition of one’s ability must rank as another of your major strength?
Certainly self awareness vis a vis the general perceptions abroad of RC clergy is not one of those strengths…….oh aye, and the ability to keep your mouth shut so as not to draw attention to your foolishness too.
MMM

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The distinct impression given is Fr. Kevin depends on the Christmas 🎄
and Easter🐰 collections for his wages.💰 Manipulative, or what?😱
Open a go fund me page and see what happens!.😜
Do parishes have an account or funds ‘for a rainy day’..?☔

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Glad to be informed @9:30 am of the death of the former Bishop of Northampton at the ripe age of 94 – RIP . +Leo McCartie – now there is a blast from the past. As Auxiliary in dear old Brum he confirmed me donkeys years ago, and there is a by no means unsympathetic profile of him in John Cornwell’s marvellous memoir of Cotton, “Seminary Boy”. He was one of the last living links with the “old days” – good and bad. As Director of RE for the Archdiocese in the 60s he was immensely open to progressive methodology, as indeed was the greatly under-rated Archbishop George Patrick Dwyer. As I have repeatedly maintained, the bishops of the post-Vatican II period were of a very different cut from the charlatans of today. Yet under Maurice Couve de Murville’s unfortunate administration, +Leo became just another company man, and so was regarded as a safe though ineffectual pair of hands for Northampton.

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11.17
Thanks for that. You beat me to it. I was going to ask whether he and Cornwell’s character were one and the same. It’s a great read.

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It is indeed a wonderful compelling portrait of a lost world, yet John Cornwell is astute enough to point out that he not only got out of the system himself – whilst acknowledging that Cotton had given him for nothing a first-class education to get him into Cambridge – but that those who remained were disastrously unable to cope with the real world. So the glamorous young priest who had inspired him grew into a cantankerous old git complaining that contraception was depriving the Church of new recruits. Like Cotton itself today, we inhabit a ruin.

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Did John Cornwell train as a priest or maybe was a priest for a time for Northampton diocese?

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I think you have been grossly unfair to Leo McCartie by claiming he was ‘ineffectual’. You won’t have the knowledge and experience perhaps (apart from him Confirming you). However, that three auxiliaries of Maurice at that time were treated like absolute s**t by him. Dear old Joe Cleary remained in Brum until his death whereas Hollis escaped his clutches to Portsmouth and McCartie to Northampton. Although Leo’s only crime at Cotton was walloping Cornwell and others with a slipper he was on the whole a kindly man. He was progressive in his thinking and theology and was heavily criticised at the time in the 90’s by Rome and others for trailing his feet over the Ordination of ex Anglicans. Leo was appointed to oversee the transition in England & Wales of single and married Anglican vicars. He was hauled over the coals for his reluctance to Ordain 3 former Anlicans to his own diocese of Northampton. We now know from experience he was right to show such reluctance. A company man I think not and to claim he was ‘ineffective’ is a very unfair analysis by someone who clearly did not know him very well.

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I am happy to be reprimanded @5:10 pm for having described Bishop Leo McCartie as ineffectual, as you are absolutely correct that I did not know him personally at all. If you take my comment however in total, you will agree that I present him in a pretty positive light. I do know that when Peter Hastings was appointed Principal of Bishop Bright Grammar School and wanted to create a very different kind of Catholic school, he found Leo and indeed George Patrick himself immensely open to new thinking and supportive. My impression is that during the toxic era of the Polish “saint” and the new disastrous Archbishop Couve de Murville, +Leo was kept on a tight leash, and the nineties were a pretty grim period generally for the Church. I am happy to hear your good option of him, and John Cornwell himself recognized +Leo as an essentially kindly man when he visited him in hospital. Today in dear old Brum Canon Edward Stewart is possibly the last of those old Cotton days.

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I for one would be interested to hear more about Maurice’s treatment of his auxiliaries, and indeed how he is remembered by the clergy. I would have thought Crispian Hollis would have been able to stand up to him, given they were from very similar social and academic backgrounds. Tell us more, Father. It would make a change from the doings of Elsie and Amy d’ Armagh.

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Bishop Leo McCartie was a total enigma when in Birmingham. The hierarchy (Canons and Auxiliaries and such like) in Birmingham were all products of Cotton junior Sem that Cornwell refers to. Bishop Pargeter (et al) are prime examples of ‘Cotton men’ as older priests in Brum will remember. The enigma for me about Bishop Leo Mc Cartie is that Leo’s first name was Patrick. He refused to use his Christian name Patrick and opted for his middle name Leo. His family are also reported to have changed his surname of McCarthy to McCartie. It was well known at the time and for many years after that Leo was basically anti Irish. This of course was marred by the Birmingham pub bombings and the nasty backlash against the large Irish Birmingham community which still exists. The other incident that made me conscious of Leo’s possible anti Irishness was when he was appointed Adminstrator of St Chad’s Cathedral in Brum. It was a long standing tradition at the Cathedral house to invite all the Irish clergy within the city on St Patrick’s Day to a meal. When Leo became Administrator he cancelled the event and it was never heard tell off again. Some will testify I’m sure that when they were in a group meeting with Bishop Leo he was always at pains to emphasise he was not Irish and that his name was Leo and not Patrick. Make of that what you will

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For me at least, that is a very interesting comment on Bishop McCartie at 7:20pm, which reveals a lot about the conflicted English Church. Canon Edward Stewart, himself one of the last living doyens of the old Cotton, writes on the diocesan website that +Leo, when asked where in Ireland he came from, would reply Stoke-on-Trent; actually he was born in Hartlepool. There was a definite tendency in English Catholicism to try to play down the Irish influence, particularly when the super-snobbish Apostolic Delegate Bruno Heim, aided and abetted by the Duke of Norfolk – yes, you get the picture – engineered the appointments of Oxbridge and Catholic public school boys viz Hume (Ampleforth), Couve de Murville (Downside), Bowen (Downside) and Hollis (Stonyhurst). Downside was the centre of the not only anti-Irish but anti-Roman mentality, and in its glory days – now very much over – liked to model itself on a 19th C English cathedral chapter. Couve’s appointment from Cambridge to Brum must have definitely been a shock to the local clergy who were still definitely from the Cotton stable.

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Pat

I’ve noticed that when I comment about Gorgeous, you post it. When I comment about King Puck, you post it. When I comment about Brendan Marshall, you don’t post it. Why?

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Frankly what is there left to say? The summer of love is long gone. Michael Byrne is, by all accounts, now doing good work as a hospital chaplain; Sean Jones working quietly in a parish; and Brendan Marshall is pursuing a career as a layman. Conan McGonagle, who saw something nasty in the wood-shed, is now safe and sound with the FSSP – good luck with that. Poor old Mick Lomasney is dead. Paul Prior is apparently completely out of it. Chris Derwin is laicized. It’s all history. I’m not surprised that Pat gets so many comments every night, no doubt so lubricious that they cannot be printed – and that really is saying something, given the disgusting fantasies we have had regarding MB in particular. It is appalling how that young man has been traduced.

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Begging for mammon. 😞

Remember, remember what Noel Treanor is reported to have spent on his palace: LITERALLY MILLIONS.

These leeches didn’t give the proverbial what YOU Roman Catholics would think of such obscene expenditure.

Are you now going to rescue such odious parasites when they took the bread from your mouths to feed their vanity and conceit?

Let Eugene, and his band of fellow warbling priests, bale out Holy Trinity, and other D&C parishes. They must have mammon a plenty.

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Holy Trinity is a forsaken parish. No preists living here. No masses. Nothing. The preist whose supposed to be here is absentee and all sorts of rumours flying around about his lifestyle. Suerly our parish deserves better than this bishop Trainor

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Dogs in the street know about the scandal of holy trinity. The bishop knows all about it too and does nothing.

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Magna: Speaking of clerical vanity, conceit and mammon:
Many RC clergy are so conceited about their ontological specialness that while happy to sponge of their lay parishioner sheep when alive, they don’t want to be buried among them. How many of us have noted their separated special prominent graveyard plots? I have a photo as an example if I knew how to attach it here. It’s of three Leitrim PP’s graves well separated from their sheep.
MMM

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Very good point, MMM.

Hadn’t thought of that. You”re right: even in death, these vermin consider themselves a cut above the rest of us.

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He used the word ‘wages’ instead of ‘salary’ when referring to the income of ‘Fr’ O’Driscoll. The labourer deserves his wages…well, he does if he labours. And that excludes most of these spongers.

‘Twas no accident, me thinks: it wouldn’t do for ‘Faaaaather’ to appear middle-class, a cut above most of his plebian parishoners.

‘Faaather’ is willing to make a show of stepping down from his pedastal, temporarily, when it suits him, even if it is beneath his status as a Romanist priest to do it in person. But then, what are parish lackeys, like the lagubrious-sounding charmer in the video for?

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None of any of your damned businesses if we want to give to our parishes. Not a red cent is coming from any of you. We give voluntarily. No one has to give who doesn’t want to. Our priests and parishes serve us well and parishes just like our own houses don’t run on fresh air. Bills still have to be paid. So as May McFettridge would say, “git way down til yer own doors!’ Keep your hateful and spiteful comments for your fellow haters. Mind you own damned businesses.

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12.27

Bad enough being exploited by dirty, ole, workshy, sponging Romanist priests and bishops, but how much worse to cooperate in their exploitation of you. 😕

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 🐑

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Take you and filthy twisted lies and shove them where the sun don’t shine “Magna Carta”. We are not sheep and we are not being exploited by anyone. We are very happy to contribute to our common cause. One can only imagine the perverse and pathetic creature is the creep behind this “Magna Carta” anonymous troll. I would have absolutely no doubt that he takes lazy, feckless, idle, useless and “mooching” to rocket levels. Your viciousness and evil is having no effect where it really counts. Mooching yourself in the darkness of cyber space firing your barbed and twisted lies and insults. Stew in your own poison you wicked auld cat.

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4.59

You know what makes it worse still: it’s your knowing that these PARASITES know that you in turn know that most of ’em are absolutely f*****g INDOLENT, with little to do, all day and every day, after just SAYING (not praying) their moring Mass … if they bother at all. 😕 And then knowing, too, that they know that you will keep dropping money into their scrounging, mooching hands anyhow. 😅

JC! 😨

Rightly did the Nazarene call you ‘sheep’…because only sheep would allow wolves in their midst to maul them.

Here’s hollerin’ at ya. 😅😅😅

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 🐑

(Just sayin’, like. No hard feelin’s? Of course not: You’re all followers of that perpetually nice guy from Galilee, aren’t you?😎. And he was ever so nice.)

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Demonic rage from the possessed “Carta” troll. Aw diddums, does it still hurt that you were discovered to be entirely unsuited, indeed dangerous, to be let loose on the poor lay faithful? 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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May McFettridge would probably also say, some people are such charity sluts, always bragging about their donations to make themselves seem better people.

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Just leave your details and I’ll send you a direct debit form. I could do with a free income from some idiot, and will undertake to say whatever prayers you like.

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Perhaps we should ask how much Kieran McKeown is getting as pastoral assistant (him with the expensive apple laptop). He seems to be Fr O’Driscoll’s mouthpiece. With a PP and a secretary and a permanent deacon does a parish need a fully paid pastoral worker. Save money and cut down on unnecessary staff.

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Not only getting money from people who already donate, but also trying to solicit any money they’ve saved by not going out socially during the lockdown. How obnoxious is that?

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Priests in the Traditional Anglican Communion used to work the tills at TESCO to support themselves and their independent chapels.
Most priests seem to go regularly to Lourdes/Rome etc. What’s wrong with Walsingham?

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In answer to your question @3:30 pm, John Cornwell, as he describes in his marvellous memoir, “Seminary Boy”, was sent in the fifties on a bursary by the Diocese of Brentwood to the Junior Seminary of the Archdiocese of Birmingham at Cotton, Staffordshire. He spent an unsatisfactory year at Oscott, having been scuppered for the VEC for “attitude”, and then wisely got the hell out. Cotton is legendary among older Birmingham priests, and there remains extraordinary affection also among former lay students. But that world is gone for ever. Yet the question remains concerning what to do with relics such as Oscott, Allen Hall, Maynooth, Wonersh and so on, which are manifestly unfit for purpose.

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You are so right about these seminaries being manifestly unfit for purpose, largely staffed by priests who have little insight or training in to development, education and formation, and inhabited by a rather questionable class of young (and some not so young) men who would be better off having the corners knocked off them in the real world for a while. There are very strange atmospheres and cultures in these places, and they are not healthy places. The rector of Oscott has just become the new bishop of Northampton, but there are stories to be told about his leadership of Oscott and what went on and goes on there (probably virtually now in the present circumstances, but there will be no stopping the boys from connecting and enjoying themselves, I’m sure). Somebody needs to grasp this nettle of seminaries and priestly training and sort it out. Any secular organisation would a have had a no holds barred root and branch review if there was even a modicum of what transpires in the Catholic seminaries happening in their training programmes.

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4:43

Seminaries have been unfit for purpose for years.
The seminary mess highlights the ineptitude of leadership.

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you are, of course, absolutely right, though curiously the one place we don’t seem to hear much about these days is Allen Hall itself, once the veritable Queen Mary of dysfunctional seminaries. Perhaps everything has been finally straightened out there, so thanks, at least, for that. Good work, Elsie!

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12.41: The 12.02 comment you respond to belongs to MMM….Who needs to go to Specsavers?? I’m sure you meant my comment at 10.11: YES – 10.11am. You are back again at your usual, smart alecy, cynicism. I am probably more in touch with the reality of people’s lives at this moment since I’ve had many phoning me seeking material support and financial assistance. You quite well understand my point at 10.11. For simple minds: I, personally will not request the usual donations from any parishioner until there is a return to a normality of some kind, which I know may be a long way off. I will not expect nor ask for donations. Haven’t done so because I am all too aware of the immense financial struggles and otherwise for everyone. Saying that, many parishioners have posted donations, handed in through letter box and contributed through other facilities. All have been more than generous. I am grateful. And some have even given cheques for needier families. I jnow many of these families and with relevant personnel, Gardai, St. v. De Paul and Local Action Groou, have passed on such gestures. Your kind of disdainful, ignorant begrudgery is pathetic and reveals an inate hatred of clergy who are endeavouring to be of service to others, not by.any means perfectly, but trying nonetheless. I cannot envisage your mindset doing much to alleviate suffering or need at this time. Next time go to Specsavers before commenting!!

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4:31pm

Don’t tell me — it’s rev. fr. nuanced, himself, in defensive mode, again, as usual.
Did it ever cross your mind, some people have very good strong reasons
to hold clergy and bishops in disdain. There you go again, elevating yourself
while knocking others, making remarks based on groundless assumptions. Silly.

If clergy are stuck for money or donations just ask your boss to contact his boss in Rome for financial assistance. There’s plenty of loot in the Vatican bank by all accounts.
Maybe Rome might sell off some of the wealth in their possession. There’s no need to wait to see the trajectory of the pandemic. You’ll be grand!

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5.36: Begrudgery personified with ingredients of hatred, stupidity, detachment, arrogance. I stand tall, mr. cynic. I thank God for all moments of priesthood, for the kindness of others and for their constant gratitude for my ministry among them. I feel very valued and affirmed. Nothing of your ignorant rants will ever constrain me or turn me against Christ or the Church. Find a big loo bowl for your vomit.

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Mr Smart Alec at 5.36. What’s your beef? Not enough love, meaning or purpose in your life or are you in breakdown mode??😅😅😅😅😅…Gee up man!

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5.36: Did you not receive a proper education? Seems like you are imitating Magna’s prepubescent immaturity….Lots of stunted emotional development and signs of repeat dysfunctionality. Pray to God for healing – hater.

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6:42 & 6:45 & 6:57

The girls or ( girl )are out in force. Nothing like money to animate the clergy.
6:42, you are unwittingly saying more about yourself than you probably
intend or realise. Enough said.
Mumsy, making her usual inane nonsensical comments.
Meanwhile, 6:57 is projecting her own unresolved issues.
Now, who said the church is going down the tubes!😂

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7.45: You’re being rattled, silly old fool. Nothing you say is noble or worthy. Just simple begrudgery from what appears a meaningless life…When people repeat the same opinion every day, it becomes rather tedious.

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You are correct @6:10 pm that G K Chesterton did indeed leave his house to the Diocese of Northampton, naïvely hoping it would be used to good purpose. Needless to say, it was sold off, and the cash received has been supporting those priests missing in action but still getting funded by the Diocese for years. So long, suckers!

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8:14 pm

More silliness. The one rattled is you. Begrudge what ? Silly, barrel scraping.
Trying to sound clever with your wiki latin phrase at 8:24pm doesn’t impress,
as if education made much of a difference to your colleagues in rogues
gallery on bishop-accountability.org. I know priests with doctorates who are
moral cowards complicit in cover up. Shameful cowardly bunch.
What have you to say about corruption abuse and crime in the church? Nothing.
1.2 billion robbed from American parishes in 2018. Estimated 1.3 billion in 2019.
What’s robbed this side of the Atlantic ? That needs researching.
You lot begging from people hard pressed to make ends meet.
To fund what- brass knobs, jet setting to preach at the converted, holidays in the sun.
You lot are not to be trusted, thanks to incompetent corrupt leadership for generations.
The numerous enquiries, reports and convicted clerics says it all.

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I’d say now at 10:11 it’s such a long time since you contributed anything to anyone that when you open your handbag the images on the banknotes blink in the sunlight. And they’re not missed.

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The house owned by GK Chesterton and left to Northampton diocese along with land and his millions was never sold. You are misinformed. G K Chesterton’s house is the current priest’s house in Beaconsfield, Fr John Udris is PP

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Chesterton lived first in Overoads, and then built a larger house, Top Meadows. Both properties were left to the Diocese of Northampton, which sold both them. I assume that the PP of Beaconsfield lives in the presbytery which was built with the church.

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The OP medic’s ‘superior’ Fr Walsh, is quoted as the author of this twee twaddle:

“There was a fear in sending this young man back out into his occupation, the fears of going out into the world because he has lived in many ways a sheltered life in the order protected from so much in the community here of 18 of us,” said Fr Walsh.

He does’t say from which planet the seminarian was sent ‘back to the world.’ It sounded like Uranus.

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6.59

Ahhh! How utterly precious are these Romanist snowflakes!

It … it makes me just want to cuddle and cosset a poor, vulnerable Romanist, and to take him home with me, and to keep him with me for ever and ever. Amen. 😇

I didn’t think I could detest these *#@*^×* leeches more than I already do…until now.

Jesus, bring back the Spanish republicans of the Thirties, good men who knew how to handle self-pampered, self-important, self-exceptional, Christ-betraying, Romanist moochers.

And if it is your will, dear gentle Jesus, not to grant this request (obsequiesly made on cringing, deferential knees … well, ‘no’ is your favouite word, isn’t it? 😕), then grant me a broom worthy of your almighty power, that I might sweep these creatures of darkness right off the planet, and into the farthest reaches of Outer Space, where even you aren’t known.

Amen.

(Ack! Am just bein’ someone else t’day…like. 😕)

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“Magna Carta” you sure are one real sick little puppy ain’t cha? The best response to you poor dear is 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁🙄🥱🥱🥱😴😴😴😴😴😴

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Couve de Murville was not universally liked by his clergy – I am afraid I am not sure why. I do remember our parish priest keeping it very quiet that he had inherited a house, because he thought that if Groovy Couvey discovered, he would be moved to the opposite end of the diocese to make it difficult to get to the house. But what I know for a fact is that I have had clergy tell me that his treatment of them was very mild in comparison to Elsie who followed him. He has therefore tended to be remembered more favourably than his reputation at the time.

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You were misled about Couve De Bournville. A horrible man and why do you think his clergy hated him? Obnoxious, pompous, head in the clouds, arrogant, self righteous twit from Mauritius heritage. George Patrick Dwyer was a total gent compared to cocoa de Bournville (Murville) George had an abrupt northern what you hear is what you get attitude.

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Absolutely at 7:56 pm. I have never heard a bad word said about George Patrick Dwyer. He was incidentally a cousin of the writer Anthony Burgess, who maintained good relations with him. Dwyer like his friend and colleague Heenan was one of the last of the proper bishops. RIP.

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The house from which he returned to the world in Fr Walsh’s words sounds indeed like a rarified atmosphere. No engagement of any kind with the residents of the north inner city. Mass there takes place in permanent Covid virus circumstances. Social distancing is the order of the day, those who attend there are so few. No need for masks or gloves there. They might as well be located on Uranus. If they all disappeared in the morning, they wouldn’t be noticed, much less missed.

As for the atmosphere within, that’s where the priest who hit the headlines some years ago for describing gay people as intrinsically disordered resides. Shades of KO’B.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/catholic-church-sermon-gay-people-2245126-Jul2015/%3famp=1

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He should be ashamed and disgraced like KOB and banned from visiting the Meadow for the rest of his life.

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Pat, can you embed the Latin imperative of “Quia aliquis aliquid utile” into Smart Alec’s brain. He’s a repeat, broken record…like his mentor, Magna, but not as clever.

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I hope you have something special for us next week, Bp Pat; another instalment in the JPL saga perhaps, e.g., has the Lady Farnborough given him sanctuary as St Michael’s Abbey? I wonder. Alternatively, a root and branch review of Dr Turtle’s performance as Apostolic Administrator during the pandemic so far. I look forward to it all as usual.

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@8.39pm You are pathetic and a scumbag, nothing but a buzzard, a scavenger who picks over the bones. Lowest of the low. A total cow son.

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@8.28pm sums up completely how the snobbery of the English & Welsh hierarchy looked down on the Irish clergy as a pile of Sh#te I’m surprised you didn’t encounter this Pat in your days in Wales. I think it’s disgusting for a person, let alone a bishop, to try and cover up their heritage.

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Pat, I fear that your blog is becoming increasingly vicious and toxic. That “Magna Carta” poster is back to its usual extremism and is highly intemperate in its provocation.

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@8.37pm I too agree that George Patrick was a decent bishop. He went out of his way to visit and help clergy who were struggling. When parishioners complained about a priest often for petty reasons, George Patrick would stop off at their Presbytery and gave them his own personal encouragement. When an Irish Priest in Sparkbrook lost his Father’, George Patrick went to his parish and gave him the fare for the ferry. The present bishops could take a lesson from these men

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@6.59pm Hollis did stand up to the ogre that was Maurice, Archbishop of Birmingham. That’s why Hollis got Portsmouth and got it very damn quick. McCartie was a more kindly man however and a grandfather type who watched and waited. After getting Northampton the Birmingham clergy said at the time that Leo was a completely changed man. The caged bird sang.

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Rory is incardinated into the Arch Diocese, however Stephen Wilson is not as of yet. Eamon has time to make his move and expell Wilson on a second attempt . The first attempt was intervened by Michael Mullaney. As Mullaney shouted over the phone ‘how dare you Eamon’. Pat what is your opinion of the unusual situation.

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Pat @9.09am. I’m interested in your observation about John Murphy of Cardiff. I had long suspected that he hated the Irish and had heard others relate stories regarding this. A lot of men left Cardiff to be priests in England because of him. There is still in the English Church an anti Irish attitude but as we know there would be no RC Church in England without the Irish or any roads or lots of hospitals. It’s a pity there isn’t a blog about this.

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On the other hand, there were one or two Welsh bishops, I’m thinking of Murphy’s predecessor, Archbishop McGrath from Kilkenny, who did everything possible to favour Irish priests and induced as many as he could to his diocese.

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