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A HOME EUCHARIST FOR COVID 19.

This lovely lady was in isolation and missed the Echarist.So rather than just complain, she took action and celebrated her own Eucharist.And what a simple, authentic and meaningful Eucharist it was.And Jesus was Really Present

DAY CARDINAL O FIAICH AND MY DAD GOT DRUNK IN LOURDES

The two boyos

My dad was a life long opponent of compulsory Irish language in Ireland.

Cardinal O’Fiaich was an ardent supporter of compulsor Irish.

As a result my dad disliked O Fiaich greatly.

In Ireland at the time if you failed Irish in your Leaving Cert you failed all subjects.

But in the mid 1980s I brought my dad on pilgrimage to Lourdes.

One day we were walking in Lourdes and out of the blue my dad said:

“Here’s this old bastard O’Fiaich coming. I’m going to let him know what I think of him”.

Before I could say anything we were standing talking to O’Fiaich who invited us both to come for a coffee or drink.

I said I was off to hear Confessions so O’Fiaich brought my dad to a cafe with him.

Over 5 hours later O’Fiaich and my dad arrived at our hotel together holding each other up.

After that O’Fiaich was the best thing since the sliced

124 replies on “A HOME EUCHARIST FOR COVID 19.”

+Pat, that is beautiful. When I was younger I never really entertained the idea of women serving as our priests that much, but the older (and hopefully wiser) I have become I am now acutely aware that women are great in pastoral roles — possibly even better than us men sometimes, if I may say so.
I have a friend who is a teacher and also has a priestly vocation; she is wondweful and is very committed to working for the good of the our Community, including our poor members.
Lets face it, women are better at most things and they are not afraid to say what’s on their mind.
Imagine a male bishop telling a woman priest to keep her mouth shut…!
And anyway, Jesus was, and is, a very pragmatic kinda guy. He will turn Nobody away if they commit to follow Him.
Rome believes — rather immaturely — that it has the right to control what people say or do. Even what peoole think! Yet they cannot even grasp love thy neighbour as thyself. Quite sad really.
And I love tbe Vicar of Dibley

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Agreed @ 12:15, that it is in the spirit of the Christ of the New Testament.
But it raises the validity of the RCC institutional assertion of the “true presence” of Christ, and therefore an almighty God, being present in the former bread and wine.
I fully accept the spiritual significance of the eucharist to believers.But the concept and belief in Transubstantiation is utterly outlandish and unbelievable. I can only imagine that RCC institutional insistence of belief in it is central to hierarchical exceptionalism of the RC priesthood and its continuation as essentially a male preserve.
But as Bob Dylan sung: “The times they are a changing.”
MMM

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Hi Pat – not sure the second video link is the right one – it does not reflect your dad and O’Fii
ach.

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Regarding Kildorrey mass sacrilege, I noticed it takes three people to do this job, one for the camera, two on the altar. Met that priest (rip) at funeral as he hanged around with my brother. In fact they were drinking buddies. Didn’t know that until one parishioner asked me re brother. Told them I knew nothing cos I had no time for Catholic Church given my abused background. They told me re holidays, cruises etc as I was astonished. Anyway I would assume these two young men are in fact seminarians that time of scandal. My question now is these two people STILL as seminarians. If so, they should be struck off or leave seminary on the basis its very un christ like and a sacrilege as well on their part. If I were then a Bishop, I would fire them.
Crean seems not to belive in christ/god or the eucharistic itself by refusing the church to re- consecrated.
One word to Kildorrey parish is stop giving money to Crean cos it seemed to me that he doesn’t care. He doesn’t have Kildorrey parishioners interests at heart.

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Looking at the photographs it might be possible that the priest took the pics as well as having altar sex. But a third could have been present. I was sent the pictures by another young man to whom the priest had sent them after the event with the purpose of the priest having sex with the new young man.
I agree that Crean has absolutely mishandled the scandal and has not even reconsecrated the church and altar.

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RR: Your assertion could be considered valid if one subscribed to the notion of there only being one God, and wrote in that context. But as many individuals believe in different gods or forms of god, it is indeed sometimes a quandry to use the correct term in context.
I don’t know how grammatical experts would deal with this one.
MMM

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So Pat will you be giving lay people at the Oratory a stole
and inviting them to concelebrate mass with you when people are invited to gather for mass again ?

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I ordained a woman 22 years ago. Everything at The Oratory is done in consultation with the Christian Community that meets here.

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That is not what I asked you Pat – The question was ” will you be giving lay people at the Oratory a stole and inviting them to concelebrate mass with you when people are invited to gather for mass again ? Or put it another way ” When lay people gather at the Oratory again can the have on the stole and celebrate with you as an assistant Priest would ? If you believe in what this lady has done in this post why would you have a problem with such a thing ?

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My my! You are so very black and white! Why would I or anyone else want to clericalise people by making them wear STOLES?
Are you a cleric fearful of losing your “power”?
Why cant what that lady did stand side by side with what I do at the altar – with Christ Really Present in both?
Clerics have hijacked the Eucharist and are saying to people: “I, and only I, have the Real Presence and I will give a little bit of it IF you do what we tell you”. This approach is not of Jesus and his Spirit.

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@Bishop Pat
Don’t you wear clerical garb celebrating mass, and a skull cap that is synonymous with the RCC and no other christian denomination? and a a bishops mitre, and a clerical collar

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Many Anglican, Episcopalian, Methodist and Independent bishops wear mitres, skull caps, rings, pectoral crosses and carry croziers.
I seldom use my mitre and crozier. At Mass I wear a ring, pectoral cross and a skull cap.
Please do not tell me how to dress 😇

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A genuine , sincere , and real celebration of mass .More validity in it than the spiritually dead masses that go on in many churches with Priests who’s heart is not in it , and are just going through the motions ,not engaging with people .

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When I ordained Mother Francis in 1998 it was me taking a big step. And when I attended her first Mass I knew it was hugely of God.

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We will begin to reassess a lot of things during and following this pandemic. It is one of those moments which will help us to break through hitherto held beliefs, prejudices, habits, cultures. So, we will reassess what it means to be a christian, what priesthood is all about, who can be a priest, what shackles have we locked on to people in the past in the way we look at things such as sexuality, sex, relationships etc. So much will people begin to question, because their eyes have been opened to a new reality. The Church better get ready for this, because it is already happening. I, for one, find no reason whatsoever that lay people should not be able to offer a eucharist in their own homes for each other. They already, remember, share in the priesthood of all the faithful ! It just makes absolute sense and also has a sense of the Holy Spirit pushing us along to new ways. It is going to be exciting, and liberating ! There will be kickback by those who have vested interests in the status quo, the clerical apparatchik class particularly who will be afraid of losing their status and unquestioned authority. They will need to move with us. Or be culled. As for + Pat, I suspect that he will recognise these kinds of changes as of the Holy Spirit and would adapt and change. He has been able to do that in various parts of life previously. So, he will be able to do so in these matters too, I’m sure, and with grace and generosity.

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I agree with you whole theory. I have already identified a wonderful woman who I believe should be a deacon and perhaps later a priest. I also have to think of someone to be a bishop to succeed me. I certainly want to be 100% open to the new things the Holy Spirit will invite us all too.

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Pat, I would have some questions about this video and I think you should focus on this one alone: forget about your dad and Cardinal O Coach. The other one is more interesting. However, when I reflect on this woman taking bread and wine and repeating the words of Jesus, it is very inspiring. I often say that the real eycharist really begins when we “go in peace to love and serve the Lord..” This is when we are to become what we Receive – The Body of Christ. What a powerful challenge and – if simply blessing bread and wine and using the scriptures bring Jesus present to any gathering, surely we must welcome this as the Spirit of God at wirk. Jesus said- “Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in their midst. “. Eucharist is about being Chrit in all that we do. We can just as easily place a beautiful leaf or a stone or a flower and recognise the beauty of God’s presence. But the bread and wine are life giving symbols. We must always respect the true understanding of EUCHARIST.

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…and what is the true understanding of Eucharist ? My sense is that there are so many different senses and understandings of eucharist. That is its strength and attraction. Even within the Catholic Church there are so many different understandings and appreciations of eucharist. Transubstantion and Real Presence are not so high on the list today for most people, except perhaps the autistic traddies. So, I have no problem at all with people understanding eucharist as it speaks to them. Or celebrating it in new ways that speak to them. If God is really in what they do, then good fruit will be produced.

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Bishop Pat If the lady in this video came to the Oratory would you let her stand at the altar with you , and pray out loud the words of consecration with you ? If a member of your community asked to stand at the altar with you and pray the words of consecration with you publicly would you let them do it ?

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The post was about a lady celebrating a home Eucharist during lockdown. That is different from a “formal” Eucharist in a public church. If such a situation arose in The Oratory the community, not I alone would decide what the lady would do. This whole issue needs massive discussion.

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Eucharist is Eucharist wherever it is prayed at a table like this lady did or at the Oratory if it is valid .So if such a discussion took place at the Oratory one Sunday what would your contribution be Bishop Pat ? Would you give the opinion that this lady could stand at the altar and pray the consecration , or would you not support it ? You can not expect us to believe you do not have an opinion on this question .

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I am a Catholic. I believe in the seven Sacraments including Holy Orders and the Eucharist. I believe that for the communal Sunday Eucharist the presider should be a person acceptable to the gathered community. That has happened up until now through the developed beliefs and doctrines of the Church – although it happened much less formally in the early church. I do believe that times are changing and the Holy Spirit in causing that change. We as a Christian community must discern these things. To answer your question. I think it was perfectly authentic for the lady to preside at her home Eucharist. I do not think she should arrive at a church tomorrow to preside at the altar. If I visited that lady at home and she asked me to join her in her Eucharistic I would and would believe that Christ was really present.

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Total hypocrisy of a position from Bishop Pat on this lady presiding in her home , but he would not let her stand at the altar in his oratory .Love , tolerance , and diversity as long as it is not at his altar .

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Have you a hangover Dear 😁 There us a very important distinction between a home Eucharist and a Eucharist for the Christian Assembly. I have had women priests and bishops preside at the Eucharist at The Oratory. At the Christian Assembly the presider should be accepted by the community – the community believing that the presider has the gifts the community needs.

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Pat. Get a grip. What are you on about now? This lady is a total attention seeker. None of this is valid and is a waste of time. She could have used her time more wisely praying in private. As for Mother Francis – want difference did she make exactly? Another attention seeker and waste of space.

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You sound cynical enough to be a diocesan priest. God will know what this lady and Mother Francis have “achieved”. That’s enough for me. Mother Feances is a hermit. Do you believe prayer is a waste of time too? Your name wouldn’t be Gorgeous by any chance? 🥰

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Hi Pat. I’m back after a few months away. I’m not dead as some reported. I recovering well.
I’m on the fence with the subject of today’s blog, although, I remember once a contemplative nun told me, ‘Oh, wouldn’t it be awful if Jesus were a woman?’ And it dawned on me that, for a woman, the access to Jesus in prayer is likely easier than for us men, because he’s male. The relationship of love, of attachment, the spousal relationship to Christ is likely easier for the woman.

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11.16: A bit harsh. God uses us in different ways but Pat has never been upfront about the ither ordination, if any, which he has performed. Neither has he updated us on the Little Brothers, nor will he give us information on his procedures about preparation or training of prospective candidates. What psychological assessments do you apply Pat? Are you the sole judge?

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I have ordained seven priests in 22 years. I regret four of those ordinations and those people should not have been ordained.
The Little Brothers numbered three – one left, one died and one is about and unwell.
We do not have great resources for training etc. We require good physical and mental health, a good knowledge of Scripture and theology, a police clearance, and be part of our community for at least three years, with the whole community making the decision on ordination.
By the way, Gorgeous, King Puck, Derwin, Rory, JPL, et al all passed the psychological assessments with flying colours 🤣

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Bishop Pat. I reject the idea that the all-male priesthood is a relic of obsolete social norms, as if such norms could have been binding on Jesus. Christ was courageous with respect to the local social customs, he was not afraid to be countercultural. He didn’t follow the expectations of the powerful, of Pilate, of Herod. He had his own work, his own mission. Theologians cannot say why Jesus chose only men as his Apostles any more than they can explain the purposes of the incarnation or the Eucharist. In the mystery of faith, we need to be on our knees toward something that we received. Nevertheless, theology can help illuminate the internal coherence and beauty of the mystery which has been offered to us by God. The son of God became flesh, but became flesh not as sexless humanity but as a male, and since a priest is supposed to serve as an image of Christ, his maleness is essential to that role. Reflecting on differences between the sexes, I suggest other reasons men are especially suited to the priesthood are that they more likely to think of God in terms of philosophical definitions and logical syllogisms, a quality valuable for fulfilling a priest’s duty to transmit church teaching. Although the social and administrative aspects of church life are hardly off-limits to women, priests love the church in a characteristically male way when they show concern about structures, about the buildings of the church, about the roof of the church which is leaking, about the bishops’ conference, about the concordat between the church and the state. I acknowledge that a Catholic woman might sincerely believe she is called to the priesthood, but said such a subjective belief does not indicate the objective existence of a vocation. None of which means women hold an inferior place in the church. Every baptised person, both male and female, participates in the priesthood of Christ through the sacrament of baptism, drawing the fruits of the paschal mystery to one’s own soul, and maybe in some sense we could say that, in this, women are more apt to draw from the mystery of Christ, by the quality of their prayer life, by the quality of their faith. Women are better able than men to perceive the proximity of God and enter into a relationship with him, For example we see the privileged role played by women in the New Testament. Women have a special access to the heart of Jesus in a very vivid way of approaching him, of touching him, of praying with him, of pouring ointment on his head, of kissing his feet. The mission of the woman in the church is to convince the male that power is not most important in the church, not even sacramental power. What is most important is the encounter with the living God through faith and charity. So women don’t need the priesthood because their mission is so beautiful in the church anyway. Thanks for the opportunity for me to offer my reflections. God bless.

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1149 – typical of your contributions – criticism and leave it there. I am sure that the seminarian would welcome your contribution…thought not.

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The best contribution we’ve had on here or years. Sounds to me that you are a well balanced young man and you’ll make a good Priest. Good on Glasgow for choosing you. Don’t expect too many replies though. The average IQ of the usual contributors is well below average .

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11:53

Canon B obviously doesn’t read this blog on a regular basis. That right canon?

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Canon B is another capital Priest type, here seen welcoming another sponger into the clerical fraternity.
Why are you reading the blog of a schismatic bishop who has ordained a woman priest, ‘canon’?

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11.53

The best contribution (from ‘Glasgow Seminarian’) that this blog has known in years?😕

You need to raise your standards.

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Dear Seminarian Friend, Thank you for expressing your sincerely held tkhoughts which I respect.
Jesus did indeed take on human flesh. He became “man” – a human being.
If you believe what you believe it means that an absolute prerequisite for ordination is the possession of a penis- even though one of the major obligations of the priesthood is never to use your penis!
Who was the first person to give the Body and Blood of Christ to the world – Mary, a woman. If a woman can give the world the Body and Blood of Christ LITERALLY, is it non sense to say she cannot do it SACRAMENTALLY.

Woman’s Body Frances Croak

Did the woman say,

When she held him for the first time in the dark of a stable,

After the pain and the bleeding and the crying

‘This my body, this is my blood’?

Did the woman say,

When she held him for the last time in the dark rain on a hilltop,

After the pain and the bleeding and the dying,

‘This is my body, this is my blood’?

Well that she said it to him then,

For dry old men,

Brocaded robes belying barrenness,

ordain that she not say it to him now.  

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12.35pm interesting cos I hadn’t thought of that re VM saying this ‘my blood and my body’ . She is the ark of the covenant.

For the sake of an argument, if she said that would indicate that she’s capable of saying the mass cos she bore her son jesus. Also she inherited the gifts from her son jesus which suggests she could do sacramentally in terms of baptism, priesthood and the mass. Just keep in mind when she was alive, there was no sacraments except for baptism by John the baptist…. No mass, no confirmation, no marriage, no holy orders, no confession, no holy communion, no anointing of the sick. Main religion that time was the Jews.

Finally how did that all come out of the woodwork re 7 sacraments??

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C’mere hi D ya remember Johari’s Window I see you see etc. There is such a thing as subjective and objective reality. True isn’t true just because I believe It is true because it stands whither I believe or not. The law of God existed long before us pretentious godlets putting names on it and claiming tribal ownership hi

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@ 11:33 am

Any reflections on the Catholic priesthood being a gay profession?

What do you think of the Vatican covering up for high profile Catholics such as Maciel,
Vanier or McCarrick?

Have you reflected on the ‘crisis’ in the Catholic church re covering up abuse, corruption and criminality?

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Glasgow Seminarian: From how you write it seems you are entirely firm and sincere in your beliefs, just as I was equally so as a 1960’s seminarian.
Now, at 76, with a lot more experience and information to draw on, I cannot not criticise your sincerity. But I will say that reading your comment had me shaking my head and marvelling at how the indoctrination methods of the RCC still manages, even in this more enlightened day and age, to produce individuals thinking like yourself.
Print out your comment to reflect on in 50 years time.
Best wishes meanwhile.
MMM

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Hi DG.
Your comments to date are consistently sincere and genuinely enquiring.
So rather than personally responding to your request to explain the RCC indoctrination methods you ask about can I suggest you Google “Catholic Indoctrination”. I’ve just checked, and see that there’s lot of input there for you to explore on the matter.

Like all my contempories in rural Ireland of the 1940’s and 50’s I was brought up in an unquestioned network of traditions, customs and belief systems intertwined around family, community, authority figures and church. I absorbed into my then personal belief perspective much that was unquestionably true, because everybody else thought so!
“The fish are the last ones to discover water”
MMM

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No matter how sincere sounding this seminarian might be, for goodness sake what theology is being taught to him in seminary ? If that sort of stuff is being taught in our seminaries, then I worry very much about the future of the Church. Surely not ?! Please, seminary teachers and leaders, reassure us that this guy has picked up this stuff from the internet or from some odd traditionalist sect ! And, if you have any suspicion as to who he is, please arrange for his ordination to be delayed and for some retraining in theology. What complete nuttiness.

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Actually the theology outlined by Glasgow Seminarian is fairly consistent with what is taught in seminaries currently, from my experience of their products. The comment above about delaying his ordination – seriously that won’t be happening, because this theology is what is being taught in seminaries. Contributions today from priests expressing anything different are not what is currently being promoted.
My own opinion is both that priests do not embody Jesus to the extent that the ‘in personal Christi’ theology would indicate, and also that if you are going to say priests act in persona Christie but deny that to women, women are denied the effect of the incarnation. I have never seen any obstacle to women being priests and bishops.
The pejorative comments about the woman in the video are interesting – what’s the matter, boys, worried you’ll be out of a job?

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11.33

I actually prayed before composing this comment, because rarely have I met anyone, even among Romanist priests, with such a navel-gazing, mysogynistic, patriarchically self-flattering conception of Romanist priesthood; I knew I had to curb my customarily ascerbic…keyboard, otherwise Bishop Buckley might have exercised a censorial deletion. By the way, my congratulation on your near uniqueness.

So a priest must be male if he is to serve as an image of Christ? Interesting, because God has incarnated in many forms in salvation history, including as a burning bush. Yet, the Levitcal priests did not represent God in quite the same way, did they?

There is an ancient Hebrew text in which the characters designating God express the gender binary (female as well as male) as characteristic of God. So if Romanist priesthood is genuinely to serve as an image of Christ, then it must be open to women as well.

And men are more suited than women to Romanist priesthood because (I have to pause here for a good guffaw😅)…because they are more likely to think of God ‘in terms of philosophical definitions and logical syllogisms’, which are required, in your opinion, for ‘transmitting Church teaching’. 😨 Tell me: does someone wind you up each morning and then point you in whatever direction they choose?

Are you capable of intelligent, independent thought?

You remind me of those bigots in the USA back in the Sixties who thought that white people were more capable than black people of abstract thought.

You have said little that is worthwhile, but much to laugh at.

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I absolutely agree Magna. In fact I had to laugh out loud at some of his comment. I could simply have ridiculed his comments, but instead phrased my comment gently, in acknowledgement of his youthful naivety and likely sheltered cathbot upbringing diet.
Maybe he’ll learn to think for himself?
MMM

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MMM, I hope he will, but given his theological recalcitrance, it will be quite some time before the necessary pennies drop.

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” distinction between a home Eucharist and a Eucharist for the Christian Assembly. ” – Total nonsense . Think Pat needs to go back to seminary – If Eucharist is celebrated in home , orartory , top of a mountain etc etc where people gather it is a gathering of the Christian assembly – No destinction – ” Where to or three of you are gathered .”If is is a valid Eucharist it is valid wherever it is celebrated .

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I knew a saintly old priest, 96 years old with 61 years of the priesthood under his belt.
In his final years, he found it difficult to wake up in time to concelebrate at the 10am Mass, so he would celebrate a later mass in his bedroom.
One day, my colleague asked him if he’d like him to schedule an extra evening mass so that he wouldn’t have to celebrate on his own.
The old priest smiled and said, “there’s no need to trouble yourself, I’m never alone at mass… the saints and angels are always there!”.
He died a couple of weeks later.

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None of the 2020 Eurovision songs will be carried over to next year. Instead, countries will select new entrants for the 2021 contest, so we can expect Fr Sugar Ray to go into overdrive to represent Ireland next year, Bp Pat.

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Eurovision: Come Together is on at 6:30pm tonight, Bp Pat. Sugar Ray will be screaming at the television, “It Should’ve Been Me!!!”

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“But that lady was on her own! No two or three …..You cannot have an assembly of ONE” Well then why did you ordain a Hermit Priest ? -And yes one can celebrate alone , because they are never alone , and united to the suffering world .”

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There is a long history of hermits and hermit priests in Christianity. Being a hermit priest can be a unique vocation. In a previous time Mother Frances worked on the streets of Calcutta.

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That would be very. He just has to come to Larne. At the moment though we would talk with two metres between us.

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What are the names of those you regret ordaining ? And for what reasons do you regret the four ordination that you mention ? In the interests of honesty and transparency there should be no problem to answer this question .

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I dont wish to give the names. I regret the ordinations for the following reasons:

1. They were not sincere men
2 They did not take real ministry seriously.
3. Looking back I think they had a fantasy to be a priest but not a true vocation.

They all had previous histories in seminaries and religious orders.

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Mother Meigh was 90 this month. She celebrates Mass in the Chapel of the Suffering World in Forkhill in Armagh. She is also a highly accomplished painter and iconographer. She served the destitute in Calcutta, was a Sister of Sion and an anchorite / hermit in Middlesborough Diocese.

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She is a rude and arrogant self centred old bitch. No manners and demanding. She’s well known for it.

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Pat @2.44pm I base it on personal experience. Not a nice person to encounter and thinks everyone should bend the knee to her as she regards herself as ‘important’. She’s also too interested in money.

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Well, I cannot contradict you if that is what you experienced.
She is indeed eccentric as many hermits and artists are.
She has a sharp tongue.
I have fallen foul of her on a small number of occasions occasions that I now smile about.
But she is a very good artist and iconographer and she says her prayers.
Maybe we could say that if she is a saint, living with her might be a martyrdom 🙂

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I see as always + Pat is under attack in this blog .I consider the time I spent working  and praying with him one of the most formative and inspiring times of my ministry . Post what you want in reply the critics.I could not care less and will not be responding . What most of you do not like is your hypocrisy and double standards being exposed . You do not like honest , straight,talking . For many ” truth ” is the last thing they want .

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3.12: Fr. Richard…..you’ve been brainwashed through your idol….Look to Jesus instead. If Pat is so perfectly wonderful why isn’t Larne full with equally wonderful followers?

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I have missed Magna Carta’s contributions here the past few days and hope he is well, and hasn’t caught the virus. I know of him slightly IRL and usually his absence here is caused by helping other people, so I hope that is what it is this time.

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Magna helping?
Anon 5:24, I do not “joke” when I say Magna’s incisive comments which analytically shred the farrago of the RCC’s institutional self protections stance certainly helps me.
His much greater theological and philosophical knowledge greatly helps my own limited understanding, and I value his comments for that, not just because they accord with my own perceptions, but because his are invariably supported by solid evidence.
MMM

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3.52
Thank you.
I have (as the more pretentious publications say of ‘returned’ columnists) ‘been away’.

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I am an older Glasgow Priest and want to publicly say thanks to the Seminarian from this place who contributed earlier. Well written and exactly what is taught in Seminary. Some may not agree, and that is fine too. Their choice. I would love to see more such debates on this blog rather than the usual poor contributions and personal attacks that are thrown around. Keep up the good work Sem friend. Glasgow is honoured to have you.

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4.14

‘Their choice’? Seriously? 😕

You may be an older Glaswegian priest, but, surely, you cannot be its wisest, or its biblically best informed.

Your dismissiveness suggests a presumptive righteous arrogance that only a Romanist, like you, could express.

There is no ‘choice’ involved when a person is committed not only to accepting truth, but to disseminating it.

Jesus did not make ordination to Romanist priesthood a male preserve anymore than he made ordination to it a precondition for ‘do this in memory of me’. ‘

Glasgow Seminarian’ is utterly wrong, yet utterly correct theologically. And yet again, utterly wrong objectively. He’s as reliable as… Well, he’s as reliable as Rab C. Nesbitt’s recollection of how much he’d had to drink on any given day.

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Pat, you are honest enough to say that you regret some of the ordinations you did. If only Maynooth and other other seminaries would express regret for all the abusers they inflicted on the most vulnerable. Plus they also gave us the likes of Rory, McCamley and the porn PP of Pomeroy.

The seminaries also should ask themselves why some many of the young priests leave a few years after ordination.

It’s interesting that the four you regretted were all retreads, having their second attempt. The traddy orders are extremely wary of taking on someone who has previously been in a seminary. Perhaps there is wisdom in that?

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7.41: A very creative pastoral effort today by Fr. George, the parish council, parents and teachers. Obviously it was well prepared and organised. Such a celebration and response could indeed lend itself to disrespect and ridicule but it seemed to have been done very thoughtfully.

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It’s wonderful that young seminarians from Glasgow are receiving sound, orthodox teaching that they in turn will pass on.

Let’s face it, the 1960s and 70s crap hasn’t been a great success.

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7.39

Well now, had the pre-Sixties stuff been better, there wouldn’t have been need of…(that other stuff you mentioned).

Wait for it. 😕

Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw 😅😅😅

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2.09: MMM, you are very selective when speaking about indoctrination. I have googled the word indoctrination and many research documents expose the methods and principles underpinning indoctrination of any kind. You need to widen your pedagogical insights into the concept of indoctrination. Yes, we can agree that a particular past Catholicism was a process of indoctrination. We learned the “truths” unquestioningly. We also learned by heart and by indoctrination particular narratives of history: Irish versus English history: causes of various wars. We learned the “interpretations” of others which were not necessarily the full truth. We are re-learning all the time. Likewise we re-learn or undo our indoctrination of all kinds which we find to be damaging to our sense of well-being, mentally, spiritually, intellectually and morally. I do not disown my Catholic beliefs which were presented and drilled into me. Those beliefs have been re-enlightened by psychology, art, literature and music. I own my christian beliefs now. I would never dismiss anyone’s searchings, philosophy or world view. Question them, yes, but not dismiss. What about youth indoctrination during Hitler’s regime? What about the murderous, atheistic regimes of Stalin, Ceausescu, Mao Tee Tung, Pol Pot, Gadaffi, the merciless regimes of China, Argentina and many countries which use political, cultural and educational methodologies of promoting their ideologies? Any ideology of indoctrination – religious, political or intellectually can perpetuate its own biases, fundamentalism and fear. Indoctrination was never and is not the sole preserve of Catholicism. You have chosen to reject Catholicism but you should be more honest about atheism and other “isms” too. Look at the Wikipedia definition of indoctrination. You’ll also find enlightenment by simply googling “indoctrination methods and principles”. Go…..

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What a great pastoral approach Fr George. Pity more priests wouldn’t follow but their heads are so far up their asses their shit doesn’t smell. Go on please and do the confirmation virtual too. Many Blessings to the Parish Council in Lusk for thinking outside the box.

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