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SEXUAL HERESIES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH


A.W.Richard Sipe

This is one of the saddest essays I have ever committed to paper.
It may be called my last Roman Catholic will and testament.
Most of the time we concede authority to a church to declare what
teaching is heretical because it deviates from established norms.
Over the centuries that judgment has been the basis for dissident
churches to form and incorporate their own institutional system of
faith and morals. Some reform movements remain within the
institution, challenging established custom or practice they deem
deviate from earliest Christian ideals.
The history of Christianity is the history of “heresy”. The criterion has
been the deviation or conformity with Roman Catholic orthodoxy and
authority: Montanist , Donatist, Albigenses, Anabaptist, Quietism, and
Protestantism, etc. have all waged doctrinal war against issues of
Catholic faith and morals and consolidated their adherents into rival
sects or religious faith. (*Ronald Knox)
What if the church that one believes in is teaching false or aberrant
doctrine or morals, but there is no real impetus to establish a new
institution or church? What if one lacks motivation, energy or desires
to reform the institution?
Currently that is the Catholic Situation. Abandonment of practice or
affiliation is the most common solution of U.S. Catholics to their faith
dilemma. Men and women brought up and even well educated in
Catholic doctrine and practice have simply walked away from
affiliation

One-third of Roman Catholics in the U.S. consider themselves “ex
Catholics”. (*Pew 2015) Disaffection with mainline Christian faiths
and Evangelicals is also recorded.
Reasons for disillusion among all Christians may share elements in
common, but RC interests need to take a look at the beam in its eye.

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One major reason for this Catholic Situation concerns sex and the
false, unbelievable teaching about human sexuality that church
authority insists is official.

FALSE TEACHING RC

MASTURBATION

moral doctrine teaches masturbation is
intrinsically evil. This position is indefensible. Despite the pastoral
rationales employed to make discussions seem reasonable the basic
stance of church teaching is based on an erroneous understanding
of Natural Law. Wasting the seed was the argument against, self￾abuse or pollution as masturbation was labeled and condemned.
Some of the rulings from Vatican offices about masturbation are
comic and ridiculous. For instance, their logic of its inherent evil
forbids masturbation even in obtaining a specimen for medical
reasons.
Their solution: a man must have intercourse with his wife wearing a
condom that is perforated with a pinhole. Thus he can collect his
semen for study and preserve the integrity of sex.
A physician can perform a prostatic manipulation to obtain a
specimen from the single man.
According to this logic rape is a more moral—natural—act than
masturbation.

BIRTH CONTROL

The church uses this same mistaken understanding of natural law as
a basis to claim that artificial birth control (pills, IUD, or 10 other
options) is also intrinsically evil. This prohibition includes any use of a
condom—even to protect from the possibility of the spread of HIV
infection.
Any and all sexual activity outside of a valid marriage is also
ruled a grave sin. This extends to serious occasions of sin. Courtship
and preparation for marriage become a moral farce under such
strictures.
The same prohibition applies to widowed or divorced men and women

SEXUAL PLEASURE

Roman Catholic teaching about sex is dominated and obsessed with
concern over sexual pleasure. While in seminary training there were
unending discussions about nocturnal emissions. Was it a grave sin if
one awoke enough during the event to enjoy it? Parallel endless
questions about the gravity of “French kissing” and “how far” an
unmarried couple could go without committing a mortal sin dominated
RC sex education talks.
Priests teach sin resides in pleasure. Orgasms have to be controlled
at all costs, even at the sacrifice of reason, justice and honesty. Who
is in control of sin and forgiveness? Clergy, of course, in the eyes of
the Church.
The reality and quality of human relationships are discounted or
diminished.

HOMOSEXUALITY

Homosexual sex and love fall under the same church interdict of
intrinsic evil—an “inclination to an intrinsic evil”. That stance renders
the homosexually or lesbian oriented person more defective than
other humans saddled merely with original sin.
Certainly there is a long tradition of naming homosexuality “against
nature”. We now know enough now about human sexual nature that
for some men and women same-sex love, association, and sexual
exchange is natural and should be judged and governed by the same
social and responsible behavior as men and woman who have a
heterosexual orientation and relationship.
The hypocrisy of Vatican teaching about homosexual orientation and
behavior is so blatant that any thinking and informed person knows of
its existence and its frequent occurrence and preponderance among
the hierarchy of the RC Church.
A concomitant psychological problem among the RC hierarchy
(based in hypocrisy) is their sociopathy. The institution supports,
advances, rewards and protects leaders who blatantly and/or secretly
act out their characterological pathology with men, women, money or power

A well-regarded priest suggested that one solution would be for 100
celibately observant homosexual priests to identify themselves
publically. (Fr. Thomas Resse, S.J. at Santa Clara U., 2012)
He is correct. It will take public declarations to save and reform the
Catholic priesthood and to insure its integrity.
Freud’s (1935 letter) mature view of homosexuality is far more
reliable than any scriptural arguments used as a basis for disdain or
persecution:
“May I question you why you avoid it? Homosexuality is assuredly no
advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no
degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be
a variation of the sexual function.…Many highly respectable
individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals,
several of the greatest men among them. (Plato, Michelangelo,
Leonardo da Vinci, etc). It is a great injustice to persecute
homosexuality as a crime–and a cruelty, too.”
I add from my study of history and psychology that some of the most
notable saints—women and men—in the Catholic Church roster were
either homosexual or bisexual in orientation. Even if at their time they
could not name that entity they were unstintingly honest with
themselves. Saints are not hypocrites.

The patent hypocrisy of clerical sexual practice and behavior in
contrast to the teaching and control church authority impose on other
members of the Christian community is unsustainable to hordes of
Catholic people. The situation is evidence based.

CLERGY SEXUAL ABUSE OF MINORS

c clerical training and
structure. In short, the culture produces, encourages, fosters and
protects a certain element among its membership who abuse—often
with impunity and rationalized as no real offence or a minor sin at
most. “Father is only human” or “Everyone sins” are commonly heard
excuses in clerical circles.
Well-publicized efforts at preventing clergy abuse and protecting
children—even the current Vatican Commission—will inevitably come
to nothing if the structure and function of clerical culture remain
unchanged—unreformed.
Highly touted efforts by U.S. bishops to protect minors from abuse by
clergy so far are essentially window dressings rather than reforms.

CELIBATE VIOLATION


Many years ago a major religious superior who had just retuned from
his required visit to Rome said: “The organization to which I belong is
corrupt from the top down.”It has taken me a long time, much study
and devotion to submit to his judgment.

DENIGRATION OF WOMEN

is an antique attitude and a current
reality in the culture and operation of the RC Church. Nuns even
when I was a boy were treated like slave labor. Their compensation
was minimal. When I was a boy their full time teaching (and labor like
scrubbing the church floor on their hands and knees) received $25.00
a month.
It might be argued that their station has improved over the decades,
but the evidence that religious women lack a status equal to men is
so obvious it needs no argument. Until women have a status, respect and authority equal to men within the institution the RC church will not
be the Church of Jesus Christ where “There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then
you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise”
Those who use Scripture to justify teaching on the “inherent”
connection between sex and sin should remember that there is more
scriptural justification for slavery and stoning of adulterous women
(not men) than onanism and sodomy.
I do not leave the Catholic Church. Were I Jewish I could not leave
my birth right. But I cannot embrace or propagate the moral tenets its
authority insists are essential for membership.
I join St. Paul and all of Christ’s followers who are free of the laws of
the modern Scribes and Pharisees. I reject the Roman Catholic
Church’s sexual heresies.
I love my brothers and sisters who are still bound to the institutions
that are shackled to that authority, but are internally conscience-free
for their particular reasons and circumstance.
I am one with those who are part of a Church but state: Here I stand,
I can no other. June 15, 2015

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—- Psalm 118 King James Version
O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.

2 Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.

3 Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.

4 Let them now that fear the Lord say, that his mercy endureth for ever.

5 I called upon the Lord in distress: the Lord answered me, and set me in a large place.

6 The Lord is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?

7 The Lord taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me.

8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man…

9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes…

10 All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the Lord will I
destroy them…

11 They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the Lord I will destroy them.

12 They compassed me about like bees: they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of the Lord I will destroy them.

13 Thou hast thrust sore at me that I might fall: but the Lord helped me.

14 The Lord is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.

15 The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly.

16 The right hand of the Lord is exalted: the right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly.

17 I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the Lord.

18 The Lord hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.

19 Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the Lord:

20 This gate of the Lord, into which the righteous shall enter.

21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.

22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

23 This is the Lord’s doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

24 This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

25 Save now, I beseech thee, O Lord: O Lord, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.

26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the Lord: we have blessed you out of the house of the Lord.

27 God is the Lord, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.

28 Thou art my God, and I will praise thee: thou art my God, I will exalt thee.

29 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

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Thanks you @ 10.52. You are preaching the Word of God in season and out of season, welcome or unwelcome, and it always has something to say to us.

It’s never the wrong time to hear:

‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the corner stone….
This day was made by the Lord
We rejoice and are glad.’

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– in 1981 we trusted bishops to “negotiate” Easter People with the Vatican and it fell flat. Even if we didn’t want “women in frocks” there were four good chapters and lay people should have done it behind the back of even the priests and that was before the “movements” made their move and now we have twice the clericalism anyway. We were reminded of this a year minus two days ago on your blog Pat.
– there fell into my hands aged over 60 a book by Dom Chautard written 100 years ago about living and believing – not even sacraments let alone clericalism. In over 60 years of me being refused catechesis, and then given fake catechesis (strangely mixed with moderately OK Bible study behind the backs of our “betters”) nobody admitted such a book existed. I gave it away directly assuming belief has been abolished by the Church itself.
– when I was a youngster we were continually “assured” we were going to be told what the beliefs were going to be.
– the Vatican has created an ontological category of homosexual “persons” (confounding St Paul’s remarks) for pastoral purposes. It’s noticeable it hasn’t pastoral purposes for “persons”.

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J B Chautard The Soul of the Apostolate. At the time I thought it must have been superseded along with the sacraments, even though it doesn’t mention any. People in charge of religion do confuse one.

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And Easter People was in two parts one large one small. One had green and blue on it, the other had orange and red. I don’t know which way round.

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Note that the betrayal of tens of millions of Catholics in the Far East, boasted of on an Argentinian aeroplane, was negotiated by Mr McCarrick known, for the previous 30 years by an entire 200-strong hierarchy, to be promoting sexual malpractice in seminaries.
This sort of thing seems to be the qualification needed to be entrusted with the “delicate”.
CMOCdown who shovels ashes and “knows a man who can improve your franch” gave us a bad pick.
But “who are we” to use our nous.

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The single, most intense human pleasure, freely available to every one, every day, is concupisence: sexual desire (and, of course, its ready relief). Few, if any other, temptations come close to its sheer numerical availability, and its easy assuagement. Which is probably why the Catholic Church historically became neurotically fixated on it, suspecting only a dark moral character here, and condemning it with such moral alarm, ferocity, and penetential extremism. (Read the Irish penetentials, elaborate lists of sins and punishments, for evidence of this. For example, ‘he whose sperm flows while he is sleeping in church shall do penance for three days.)
I suppose the fact that sexual acts could cause such easy pleasure and happiness made them a natural object for Church suspicion and disapprobation: no one should be this happy, this often and easily.
I agree with Sipe’s statement that clergy are ‘conscience-free’: they are indeed, becsuse they surrendered this at ordination.
Great minds think alike, eh? 😃

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7.06
Sez who? You, and your unfaithful Church? Neither of you would know God if he stopped off for a piss-up with you, and then relieved himself on you.
Paul the self-styled apostle? Ha-ha-ha 😅 Paul never managed to leave behind on that winding road to Damascus his pharasaical tendency to self-righteous judgement, one, incidentally, that flouted Jesus’ clear instruction to his followers not to judge others.
You know what to do with your moralising, you Romanist…
I’ll drink to that! 🍺😃

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2.32

I know! 😃

But hey! It’s impossible to be otherwise when raised in the Romanist Church: it’s creaking at the seams with weirdos! 😨 Always was. Even Clement, the fourth pope (and allegedly a saint 😇) said as much when he opined:

‘God chose our Lord Jesus Christ, and us through him to be a peculiar people.’

‘Peculiar’, ‘weird’? 😕

Same thing, really. 😄

Bet you didn’t know Clement said that stuff, cuz you’re not educated and smart, like wot I am. 😎

Now I’m orf for a tug. 😈 Cos Dr Richard says its ok.

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Hmm. Head of Safeguarding gets well and truly caught out over covering up abuse – one of the offending priests says Mass, on Facebook, for her…. cat is well and truly out of the bag, evidence and all.
… is it just me or are these people “SUFFERING From SERIOUS And DETERIORATING MENTAL HEALTH, PARANOID And DELUSIONAL…?” 🤔
…. for those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see… IF YOU ARE A PRIEST/BISHOP WHO IS EVEN REMOTELY responsible for the SLIGHTEST COVERING-UP OF ABUSE — EMMOTIONAL, PHYSICAL OR SEXUAL… I. WILL. HUNT. YOU. DOWN… LIKE AN OBSESSED EX WHO HAS THEIR FOUR-WALLS WALLPAPERED WITH YOUR PHOTOGRAPH… THAT IS THE MOST SINCEREST PROMISE YOU WILL EVER RECIEVE! Oooh, sweet Jesus, bring it on (Just ask the evil psychopath in sunny Fanny-Dee-Did; the footfettish pervert in Dydiate and, Alex the Kidder). — No violence: PURE, UNADULTERATED EXPOSURE! — Like crystal clear springwater in your face on a cold Winter’s day! Spritly! Fresh! FUCKING EXHILARATING!
Please, Lord, grant my wish.
+Pat, if you ever hear of a person who could do with my pastoral active support, please feel free to call on me.
Your faithful servant in Christ.

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Sipe was a good man. He was dealing with Episcopal gangsters and you sometimes have to use exceptional means. It’s a bit like trying to deal with Satan in hell.

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Bishop Pat at 9.39am
Good stuff, couldn’t have put it better myself.
Trying to reason with these people is tantamount to banging your head in a fridge door, over, and over again. Insanity!
What’s even more fucking bizzare, you throw them a genuine lifeline when they are trapped in a hole – they WILL bite your very hand.
It is like they are programmed for self destruction – and they really are! I am intrigued – while at the sametime, highly concerned.
Ps thank you to everybody (even the cathbots) on this blog for helping me realisse my true worth and potetial as a child of God.
+Pat, you are truly a light which shines in the darkness.
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
John 10: 27

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7.15

I can’t say I’m surprised that Bishop McElroy made a statement about the matter(s) to which you referred, since Dr Sipe had accused McElroy of knowing of, and about, Theodore McCarrick’s sexual predation with fellow priests, and with seminarians, from as far back as 2016. According to Sipe, McElroy did nothing about McCarrick’s outrageous behaviour; in fact, he apparently remained absolutely silent on the matter.

If Sipe was correct about McElroy’s knowledge here, and of his complicity, through silence, in McCarrick’s sexual predation, then McElroy’s statement about Sipe post mortem could be construed as nothing morally more noble than a primal act of revenge on Sipe.

As regards Sipe’s accusation that other US bishops (some, at the time, still in ecclesial office) were themselves involved in sexual contact with priests and/or seminarians, McElroy took exception to the fact that Sipe would not, because of confidentiality assurances to others, produce evidence for this at McElroy’s request.

Ordinarily, one might expect a Roman Catholic cleric, like McElroy, to understand the moral sanctity of such assurances and the gravity of sin committed by their intentional breach. However, we are not living in ordinary times, if ever we were with the institutional Roman Catholic Church. So McElroy’s apparent failure to grasp the moral necessity of respecting such confidences would not surprise many today.

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7.15, Sipe had published a huge amount before that incident. McElroy’s only grouch was over the handling of one letter. People a lot more vulnerable than McElroy had been affected. It’s not fitting for you to make a fuss on McElroy’s behalf.

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I have for many decades been of the opinion that the Catholic Church has an obsessive and dysfunctional understanding of sexuality and the sexual / emotional / affective / relationship capacities of human beings. It is warped, off focus, odd, weird, creepy. And this is the stuff we were brought up on, where you were scared to death about even the slightest sexual peccadillo with the belief that it would send you to Hell. How sick ?! And that mindset was inflicted on young, impressionable kids. That’s a form of abuse, too. So, many decades ago, I stopped listening to what priests and bishops and popes were saying about anything that had to do with sexuality and sex. I made my own mind up, informed by my own thinking, by my own experience, and above all by the commandment of love. I think a lot of people have learned to do that. They will smile sweetly and listen to the guff that is being preached at them, but let it wash off them, and then go about their business and their lives and their relationships as they see fit. What really does worry me are the priests and bishops who seem incapable of establishing a sane understanding of sexual morality, and who still inhabit a world of guilt and denial, with all of the damaging consequences that brings for them and for us, in particular the duplicity and lack of integrity that they are forced in to by living parallel lives. We see it regularly – the JPLs, the Rorys, the Gorgeouses etc. They are unhappy individuals, damaged, and whilst being rightly called out for their duplicity and self-delusion, they should be pitied. They have been damaged as well. That does not mean that they are in any way suited for ministry. The damage has been done, and they need to move on. We, too, should move on, away from the oddness and weirdness of Catholic sexual morality. We will be a lot happier. Try it !

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9:47

If having a wank merits hell what does raping children and protecting clerical rapists merit?
Didn’t Jesus explicitly warn his followers not to harm children?
Where did Jesus give a warning about wanking?

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I was not suggesting that the Catholic Church should take its gaze off sexual abuse of children. That is something that falls well outside any odd understanding or theology of sex and sexuality, and has to do with abuse, physical and sexual. I suppose one could argue that the warped sexual theology of the Catholic Church has contributed to a clerical class that is dysfunctional, damaged and capable of terrible abuse.

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5.03
The institutional Catholic Church has made sex, including the mono-kind, the ultimate forbidden fruit…and therefore the most alluring.
Jesus rarely mentions sex; in fact, he doesn’t mention it at all.
The institutional Romanist Church, on the other hand, through its puritanical paranoia, has lastingly ensured that sex will, forever, remain the hottest topic among the hottest people.
God bless those puerilely patrician, and sex-scared arch-fools, Augustine in particular, and that bloated glutton, Aquinas.

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7:15 am
Why do you claim Sipe was a charlatan?
The article is from lifesite news! It is inaccurate.
Dr. Sipe was dealing with clerical abuse and researching
the area for far more than 25 years.
Check his website http://www.awrsipe.com

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10.01 the articles I saw were in diocesan publications.

7.15 McElroy was only trained in stitch ups after all. The whole crew were stitching up fake initiations and sacraments since my young day.

Confession is only to readmit you to the smarties queue (I’ve been told officially). Didn’t parishioners get brought up to not accept smarties from “strange men” (a.k.a those who confect) though I am not taking aim at some good priests I know, who are afraid for their housing and pensions.

Confession isn’t supposed to be about building character. They have to introduce sentimentality and hysteria to cover for their “moral equivalency”.

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11.28 the lid was blown (I was reading a lot about him), but there was major pretence that it wasn’t blown.

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The way the “body theology” scare was handled entrenched the worldly obsession about “orientations” out of any context, rather than helping put them in context. The RCC doesn’t seem to believe in Holy Spirit. Somebody mentioned Jansenism the other day.

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The woman in this video has tve same beautiful legs as the Vocations Director who likes to wear women’s tights and knee-high boots…

Nancy Sinatra – These Boots Are Made For Walkin’

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Tis a warm afternoon hi. If the Church cared as much about Christ as it does about sex and pleasure the world would be a different place. I’d be sat on a toadstool in poolaphuca suckin a chocice and wondering what I’d say on Sunda

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That Church of England Canon didn’t tell you off properly Sean Mahwa fly hi. It welcomes all oddballs. They change their minds like the weather. That woman bishop in London is a power crazed lunatic and her mission is making mens lives a misery. Chartres is smiling from his private club in Pall Mall.

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Totally accurate analysis on the present state of the Church of England. Total inward divisions and horror by recent appointments. Dover is proving only just one example as well as London . The saying in the C of E at present is look to Rome – they’ve got it right. Welby +Canterbury and his depression is only part of it. He doesn’t live in Lambeth by the way amongst the plebs – it’s his office space.

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@12:57 PM
Hello there Hi Fly.
Begorra fly tis only obsessed with sex, pleasure, dangly bits uncovered,
cover ups discovered hush money along with never squealing on the lads in the klub.
Is it all due to a bad dose of brainwashing or was Christ put in a closet.
He seems to be gone missing. Tis a warm one alright but I’m having a brunch.
May the Force be with you. +
Bye bye Fly Hi.

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@5:32 PM

Good Evening Hi Fly.
Begorra fly if I am you and you are me who is he and who the
fekin hell are the aforementioned we according to he.
DIY dafties or what….
The heel often first to go bad if it’s a full loaf.
May the Force be with you.+
Bye bye Fly Hi.

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@ 2:07 PM

Mr. Anonymous.
You have absolutely no idea who I am.
I am not Hi Fly.
That makes you along with the we s
what you say you are not according to yourself.
Be good sonny.
Bye bye.

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@2.I7pm. Totally spot on. The Church of England is tearing itself apart along with its counterparts in Ireland, Wales and Scotland. When you have a Prime Minister announcing your name as Bishop in the Commons is a disaster from the start. Especially when the PM is himself is a joke.

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Totally agree about the C of E through experience. Appointing female bishops is the death knell for that Church. Before the queens carp on about gender etc spare us please.

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I have to confess that with the best of intentions I just cannot take those Anglican women bishops seriously. Frankly the whole Anglican experiment with women priests has merely pushed that church even further into comedic irrelevance. I must ask myself why this should be, as I certainly hold that any “theological” objection to the ordination of women to be absolute nonsense. Moreover, it would never occur to me to disdain a woman doctor, judge, prime minister or gas fitter. A rum business, as I have no truck with the A-C queens who hold you can no more ordain a woman than a vacuum cleaner; indeed they are the very ones who alarm me! Perhaps Magna could advise?

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6.56
And my considered advice is … start taking those women seriously.
Women clerics in the Anglican Communion aren’t the deeper problem; it is the undercurrent of stubborn patriarchy that continues to flow in churches that would outwardly and adamantly deny it. 😕
Women aren’t the problem here: it’s the blokes. 😎
You’re not as gender egalitarian as you suppose, and would have us believe. 😒

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The achilles’ heel of the clerical caste is sex.

How many clerics have been morally compromised, having to defend corrupt colleagues,
defend corrupt bishops, and defend corruption within the institution, all supposedly
for ‘the good of the Church.’ For ‘the good of the Church’ was the stock in trade phrase
used to silence people.

Silencing was done for the good of the clerical caste, not the good of the Church.

Isn’t the clerical cardinal sin, for clerics to tell tales on members of the clerical fraternity?
Maybe that explains why the good priests have nothing to say.

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3.52

A good post, not least for an honesty that ought to shame Romanist clerics. It wouldn’t, of course, shame them, because these charlatans cashed in their consciences on ordination day, and a conscience is required for moral empathy, and moral empathy for feelings of shame.

‘Good’ priests have nothing to say, because there is now nothing objectively good in them. What ‘good’ they manifest from time to time is merely conformity with the institution they chose to serve over Christ. Occasionally, the interests of both parties overlap, which is how priests may appear to do good. But when there is a conflict of moral interest, their declared loyalty to the instituion will always have first call on their obedience. It is why ‘good’ priests are chillingly silent in face of morally questionable behaviour by the so-called ‘hierarchy’ of the Church: their loyalty to the institution takes precedence, along with self-interest, in the desire to hold onto position in the Church.

Romanist priests, to a man, are moral cowards, and Christ-betrayers. They would feel shame for this, if only they were they capable of manifesting it.

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You were once wanting to be one. Take Romanist from your dictionary and you world would be silenced. Pat will keep stroking your head unless you bark. Your Pat’s dog with a bone.

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4.33: Mags, nothing new in your comment. You have said it all multiple times before. Nothing new, same old, same old rhetoric. Your phraseology is tiresome, repetitive and weary. If you are trying to persuade us that you care aniut truth or justice, you are delusional. Continue to live in your cave but please take your brain from your a**e. The caca stinks in your words…

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3.52pm

‘good for the church’ is OMERTA in disguise. RCC used OMERTA for decades as threat of excommunication were used on kids abused by B Smyth. That threat on pain of excommunication was used by Brady as he knows it. That tells you more about church preservation of their institution at the expense of young abused kids.

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7:05 pm

True.
Spiritual abuse through frightening victims added to sexual and spiritual abuse by perpetrators is utterly shameful and disgusting. It seems to me the hierarchy have
made a golden calf of the clerical ontologically altered caste. Duplicity and deceit
are bedfellows.

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Speaking of the achilles heel of the well-heeled,on December 27, 2019, The Washington Post revealed that McCarrick gave $600,000 to high-ranking church officials, including two popes, multiple priests, cardinals and archbishops, when he was Archbishop of Washington between 2001 and 2006 amid a sexual abuse probe.

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5,12
McCarrick, like Maciel, bought the loyalty of the papacy, and of certain Vatican congregations.
Mammon talks, especially, and perduasively, in a see in which it should have no place, and yet is coveted above all else. But then, Christ has no place there, because he was clear on the relation between God and mammon: it was a spiritual tug-of-war, in which there could be only one winner.
Both the Polish pope, and the German pope, ensured that it wouldn’t be Christ. It helped here (and not inconsiderably) that ‘good’ priests were, er, good Germans in the process.

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@1.25pm Thanks for that candid view of the Church of England. Rosie in Dover is a man hater. She only got her job by HM Queen because she was chaplain to another bully in the Commons. Put the jigsaw together. The present Anglicans look to Rome

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5:30
Bercow was an outstanding success. Did you see the file from the Appointments’ Committee to be able to make such a judgement?

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5:32 pm

According to Jason Berry in his book, ‘Vows of Silence – The Abuse of Power in the Papacy
of John Paul II’, Maciel was kicked out of two seminaries, and refused by several other religious orders because of an unspecified problem. He was sexually abused as a teenager. He never had a conventional seminary training. The Legionaries of Christ are a catholic cult, a bunch of control freaks, to say the least.

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Thank you @9:47 for an eminently sensible comment. Like you, I realised that the burdens of guilt imposed on us by the RCC were utterly ridiculous. That intellectual realisation though only came well after my abandonment, in a practical sense, of the guilt and shackles inhibitions imposed by my RCC dominated upbringing.
Travelling in the Far East and Africa opened my eyes to other less inhibited cultural views on physical intimacy. A bar owner in N. Thailand once summed it up to me, describing sex as simply another appetite, albeit as Magna comments, a compelling one. And just as we should exercise careful sensible choices for our diet, so too as you point out, we should exercise care in our physical interactions suffused as they are with so much emotional significance.
But as for all the “interferences” of the RCC: absolute hogwash!
MMM

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