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REVICITIMAZING THE VICTIMS OF ABUSE.

Posted by Janet E. Smith on Thursday May 21st, 2020 at 1:58 PM

COMMENTARY: Bishops and dioceses must answer the phone calls of victims, meet with them, hear their stories and empathize with them. That is not too much to ask.

Victims of sexual abuse by clergy frequently have told me that the way they were treated by bishops has hurt them more than the abuse did.

Virtually every bishop has made the announcement that he is dedicated to helping victims who have been sexually abused by priests and that he has put considerable resources toward that effort.

Unfortunately, from what I have heard from too many victims, some bishops are quite adept at virtue-signaling and at making empty promises.

Examples of the unresponsiveness of dioceses to victims are available in nearly every documentary on the sex-abuse crisis. One of the first and most devastating I watched was The Keepers on Netflix, which explores the unsolved murder of a religious sister who taught at an all-girls high school in Baltimore in the late 1960s. The series holds that the sister was killed because she suspected that the priest/principal was repeatedly abusing one of the students and was preparing a report for the archdiocese. Some 20 years later, when the woman who was abused by the priest reported it to the Archdiocese of Baltimore, officials were sympathetic but claimed that they could not verify her story. The woman’s nine siblings sent about 1,000 postcards to other women who had studied at the same high school during the tenure of the priest/principal and asked if they had anything to report about sexual abuse during their time there. Dozens came forward then, and even more came forward after the documentary. Why could not the diocese have done such an investigation? (The Archdiocese of Baltimore defends itself here.)
That event was decades ago, but the pattern of behavior remains all too common.

One reason Siobhan O’Connor of Buffalo, New York, shifted from the role of loyal secretary to Bishop Richard Malone to whistleblower who helped effect the bishop’s resignation is that she discovered the phone line on which victims were to report abuse went to an answering machine in a warehouse and was listened to by no one.

When she started taking the calls of victims and looking at the files of the accused priests, she realized that Bishop Malone’s promises of support for victims were flat-out lies; there were multiple accusations in files that had never been addressed. And then she found a large binder with accusations against priests in a broom closet — clearly out of reach of anyone trying to verify accusations.

I know of victims who have repeatedly attempted to schedule a meeting with a bishop only to have their many emails and calls go unanswered. Often they are answered only when a lawyer or distinguished Catholic makes the contact for them. How many victims simply become discouraged and disappear? Not only is the injustice to them not addressed, it is magnified — the victims are revictimized — and a true counting of the extent of abuse is made impossible.

I recently heard from an ex-nun who had been sexually abused by her religious superior nearly two decades ago. When she contacted the diocese where the abuse occurred to ask for an appointment to speak with the bishop, the secretary who answered said, “That is not our protocol. The bishop does not meet with adult victims.”

There was no expression of sorrow about the sexual abuse the caller was reporting. The victim got the same response when speaking with the priest assigned to deal with victims. She was devastated that, after having spent months getting up her courage to tell her story, she was so summarily dismissed. Eventually, due to the interventions of a few others, the bishop relented and called the victim.

What could be the reason for such a protocol? Are there just simply too many victims? If so, meet with them in groups, but meet with them! And train your staff to respond with compassion to those who call.
 
The Case of Peter

In another case, a man I’ll call “Peter” told me that he and his four siblings (three brothers, one sister) were all sexually abused by the same Detroit priest some 50 years ago, both in the rectory and at their home. None of them knew the others had been abused until recently.

Peter told me that when he wrote the Archdiocese of Detroit to report his abuse in September 2018, it took more than two and a half months for him to get a reply in November 2018. When the diocesan “advocate” finally called the man, she acknowledged that there had been several accusations against the same priest and assured him that the deceased priest’s name, Father Jan Tyminski, would be included on the list of credibly accused priests on the archdiocesan website.
It took many emails and a public Facebook post to finally get Father Tyminski’s name posted and a press release issued May 17, 2019. However, the press release was inaccurate. It mentioned only one credible accusation, although the archdiocese knew there had been several. In spite of promises that a correction would be made immediately and after repeated requests from Peter that it be done, no correction has been made.

In the meantime, Peter told me, he had learned that his sister had made complaints about Father Tyminski back in 1995, 1998 and 2002 — with no results. Finally, on Aug. 12, 2019, Peter was able to meet with Archbishop Allen Vigneron to express his dissatisfaction with how his siblings’ reports of abuse by Father Tyminski had been handled. He said he took a picture of his mother with him to the meeting and put it on the table in front of him and explained that he wanted Archbishop Vigneron to meet another victim — his mother, who only learned in the last year of her life of the abuse and went to her death blaming herself.

Peter told me he gave a set of requests to Archbishop Vigneron and asked to be given a timeline for addressing the problems he listed. He said he has not heard from the archdiocese since. He said his registered letter stating he had decided to go public with his experience unless he heard something has gone unanswered.

Peter has posted the whole story of his ugly treatment on a new website, “Victim Voices,” which will feature testimonies both from those satisfied about the treatment they received from the Archdiocese of Detroit and those who are dissatisfied. One hopes supporters of victims in other dioceses will provide a similar opportunity for victims to tell their stories.

There are good stories, though only a few have come to my attention. The ex-nun of whom I spoke earlier had a tremendously healing meeting with the current superiors in the order wherein the abuse occurred. They responded with alacrity to her request to meet with them and gave her a truly warm, loving and compassionate hearing, along with sincere expressions of horror and empathetic tears and diligent follow-up. They responded as loving, decent human beings, not as threatened bureaucrats.
 
Bishop Biegler’s Example

The efforts made by Bishop Steven Biegler of Cheyenne, Wyoming, are so different from how most bishops have behaved that it almost defies belief. He took laudable steps to get testimony from victims of a previous bishop, Bishop Joseph Hart, whose record of abuse went back several decades. Bishop Hart’s actions were among the cases that cost the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, Missouri, where he had served as a priest, $20 million.

When Bishop Biegler came to Cheyenne, he learned of the charges against Bishop Hart and flew to New York to hear from one of the victims who had attempted for nearly two decades to convince law enforcement and Church officials that he had been abused by Bishop Hart. Moreover, Crux reported, “not only had Biegler believed [the victim], he had taken action — hiring outside investigators to examine claims against Hart, which they found to be credible, barring him from public ministry, and making multiple trips to the Vatican to lobby for swift adjudication.” He also forbade Bishop Hart to attend his installation ceremony.

I don’t know of any other bishop who has acted so boldly in respect to abuse, especially abuse by a fellow bishop.

Unfortunately, the economic devastation many dioceses are experiencing for multiple reasons — declining numbers of Catholics, parish and school closures, past payments to abuse victims, and the effect of the coronavirus pandemic lockdown — may lead to the filing of bankruptcy by many dioceses, and that in turn will make it even harder for victims to get even token compensation for the horrendous life-changing harm they have experienced.

Let us at least hope that bishops and dioceses will learn to answer the phone calls of victims, meet with them, hear their stories and empathize with them. That is not too much to ask.

Janet E. Smith, Ph.D., is a retired professor of moral theologybwho speaks and writes on life issues and the corruption in the Church.
 
PAT SAYS

One of the most damning aspects of the whole RCC abuse saga is the way bishops have treated victims / survivors.

I stead of treating victims as just would – disgraceful bishops have called in lawyers to cynically protect them and their monies.

Such bishops are ” anti Christs”  – behaving in the opposite way to Christ.

Such bishops should be thrown into prison by the civil authorities.

LURGAN PARISH 🤢

COUNTRIES WHERE BLOG BEING READ THIS MONTH

108 replies on “REVICITIMAZING THE VICTIMS OF ABUSE.”

Are you a Protestant @12:34? Only Protestants call us Roman Catholics and Liverpool is riddled with sectarianism, larceny and self-pity.
Even the soon to be bankrupted Liverpool Echo calls it alleged abuse. The nun is dead, it was never tested in court and the alleged victim has a book to sell. She also looks like she’s fond of a drop of the crathur.

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@12:06 I was baptised a RC and I refer to “Roman” Catholics to distinguish between them and other Catholics such as “Old Catholics” or reformed traditions who might wish to refer to themselves as part of the universal “Catholick” church while also being “Protestant!” “Other allegations have been made against Sister O’Brien and Marie says she was told by police that a criminal prosecution would have been pursued if she was alive.” So not just one alleged victim but others too and if “A drop of the crathur” brings her any sustainable comfort then good on her, however many victims have struggled with drink and drugs in order to try and take away the pain! If her book brings comfort to other victims of clerical and religious spiritual / bullying and sexual abuse or encouragement to come forward, again, good on her and if royalties ease her later years then it’s no less than she deserves! You @12:06 are an offensive bully, re-traumatising victims, like others in the RC establishment!

While we’re in Liverpool, Another Abbot Extraordinary blog mentions that Abbot Brogan started religious life there with The Passionists and raises the usual questions!

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Anonymous @ 12:06pm
I am a proud practicinng Catholic in a NW Archdiocese, currently silenced by a County Court “gagging” Order, as one of many attempts, to silence me over the horrific abuse I was subjected to during my training from 2017 to 2018.
Now–to add instult to injury–I am currently a victim of dire inept handling, for want of a better word!
I am currently prescribed Citolopram, daily, for PTSD; Zopiclone for nights when I can’t sleep; Diazepam for when I have panic attacks and flashbacks.
Also, the reason I define ‘Roman Catholic’ here is because THAT IS WHAT IT IS!
— 12:06pm: you come across as wanting ALL Christians to be associated with this evil phenomenon; this is simply not fair. It is one of the reasons this evil is allowed to flourish, because, THAT institution’s clergy is controlled by men who are blind to the TRUTH; Its priests immature, both sexually and cognitively. A sad and stunted development of Gospel principles. Clericalism: a culture of THEM and US.
In addition to the above I define good from bad — which is commonplace in scripture — out of love and respect; love and respect for other Christian institutions and their Bishops
— Dads who are not afraid to send their misbehaving boys on their merry way from his backyard – even if it is only a boat ride away! This is the kind of Father I admire. A Dad who can keep his kids and household in shipshape order.
RESPECT WHERE IT IS DUE! x
I also define these serious facts as there is clearly a need to highlight them–even more so the wake of damage caused–to prevent Anglo Catholic nuns, and other Christians, from being marred with possible feelings of guilt or shame over their Dad’s wreckless incompitence and actions — or total lack of.
A Dad who keep a neat and tidy for all to relax in.
It’s always nice to relax in a clean and healthy garden: trust me. Just what the Doctor ordered! Grass freshly cut; that way you can see any snakes or other slithering creepy crawlies which may try to destroy the Daisies.

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Good morning all. The past is a strange place. The present is confusing. God knows what the future will hold. We hold up the past ok. What about the future. What’s been said and done. Let’s see hi

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3:37AM

Good Afternoon Hi Fly.
Begorra fly far too many people are trapped in the past from wounding.
They carry too much to be able to live in the now.
The church is saddled with the past so ’tis stuck in the present.
There’s too much baggage weighing it down. Confusion reigns.
God only knows what the future holds.
May the Force be with you.+
Bye bye fly hi.

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Begorra tricks are fine in the diocese of Manchester fly hi. Better not shout too loud about it as the auld Lambeth Palace lot told me not to be posting on here. Bye hi fly, fly hi.

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Exact same thing happened to Maynooth Survivors. The physical scars and the sexual abuse memories have impacted on the daily lives of survivors. A minority of survivors have attempted suicide due to Mullaney’s policy of no comment and failure to support recoveries.

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11-13 am
Former Maynooth Sem obsessed with 6.21 alert!
Have you @11:13am something to be scared over?

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I waited months for a reply to a letter I sent to a bishop. When he finally responded he patronized, misrepresented and lied. His diocese along with moral cowards in his diocese will be shamed both nationally and Internationally before very long. The inhumanity I experienced, done in the name of Jesus Christ, for the ‘ good of the Church,’ to cover up for hypocrisy, immorality and criminality was as bad as it gets.
The sorry rotten saga from ‘ground zero’ is not over yet. Not by a long shot!

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Well your not from cloyne , they have already been shamed both nationally and internationally ie cloyne report , bishop Magee resigned and killdorrery via church militant on primetime TV all across the usa

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@7.12am You’ve told us this story so many times about your letter from the bishop. Do you ever tire about telling it as much as we tire reading about it over and over again.

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11:11am

I’m keeping my powder dry for extremely good reasons. Don’t worry. Don’t tire. Fear not. Trust in God. You’ll get the unabridged unedited legally permissible true version on Bishop Pats blog in time to come. Meanwhile, a gentle reminder now and then will do no harm.
The rotten sad sorry saga from ground zero is not over……

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@11:11am

We tire funding duplicity from clerics pretending to be in “persona Christi”.
Read the reports from Pennsylvania or Boston, or numerous other reports.
Read what priests did to victims; plying children with drink and drugs, or using
and viewing pornography or using crucifixes or consecrated hosts while raping them.
Revolting sacrilegious and satanic.

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@11:11 am re: @7:12. I hope @7:12am tells their story as often as they need to until justice is done or they are otherwise healed. Belittling comments like yours are re-traumatising in the same manner as unresponsive hierarchy!

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11.11am You get tired of those who use abuse just to hammer the Church for their own agenda. They’ve never been abused but hijack the issue for their own sick means. You get them usually accusing people of being co abusers and retraumatizing victims because of what the say. It’s classic. You will sadly get some loonies who claim to be abused but never were. Some Cleric has upset them or crossed them, some didn’t get a letter from a bishop. Some got slung out of the Seminary for good reason or had to leave the priesthood or diaconate. Then the abuse issue, oh boy, that’s a very convenient issue to get back at the Church because of all those chips on the shoulders. They even deny being Roman Catholics but instead it’s more convenient to be simply Catholic. They let down the victims of the abuse and drag the attention away from them to their own petty little agendas.

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1.54

Can you prove any of your very serious accusations against alleged victims of sexual abuse by Romanist priests or seminarians?

Can you prove that some alleged victims lied about this abuse just to even with a priest? You said they were never abused. How do you know? Or did you just make that up (lie) for effect?

And it’s ‘classic’?😕 You must be privvy to a great deal of highly pertinent information here; oddly, you don’t include it to support your statements. Odd, indeed.

You accuse people who, you claim, made up allegations of sexual abuse by priests because they were ‘crossed’ by one of them, or expelled from seminary, of simply serving personal agendas. This is explosive material … if demonstrably true. You do realise this, don’t you? Why don’t you tell all you know, if not on this blog, then in a book. Someone could ghostwrite it for you, a well-known, theologically right-wing journalist (one of the lads on LifeSiteNews, for example). You’d make a fortune, not to mention remove all that alleged dirty linen by ‘Holy Mother Church’ you appear to belive has been hung out publicly by … What was the word you used? Ah! ‘Loonies’.

C’mon: this is your opportunity to set straight a very crooked and fabricated record, isn’t it?

Make ‘Holy Mother Church’ proud by being a dutiful son. (Never mind what the guy from Nazareth might think.)

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Magna 5.44: you are laudably strong on substance for some way through this, then suddenly with an apparent reference to “Life Site News” you flummox us as to:
– what this might be intended by you to tell us about your perception on LSN,
– what is the relevance of this to the rest of your comment,
– what is the relevance of this to today’s topic;
then after that you get back on track again fortunately.
I found LSN stand up for underworld victims and not against them.
Please can you consistently imply a specific primary purpose each time you post? When issues cross over please can you refrain from adding to obscurity? One can always choose to make a separate comment about separate points.

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Alf, were I to tell you the planet you’re on, you’d probably still feel that I was being obscure. 🤧

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From: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/Whistleblowers/ (see- international whistleblowers).

Church in Ireland at a Breaking Point Says Archbishop Diarmuid Martin on “60 Minutes”
By Bernie Malone
Irish Central
March 2, 2012

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Church-in-Ireland–at-a-breaking-point-says-Archbishop-Diarmuid-Martin-on-60-Minutes-141161963.html

Dublin’s Archbishop Diarmuid Martin on Sunday’s “60 Minutes”

The Church is at a breaking point over the child sex abuse scandals says Dublin’s outspoken Archbishop Diarmuid Martin on Sunday’s “60 Minutes”, the most popular news show on television. Martin tells CBS reporter Bob Simon that it is entirely due to the child sex abuse scandal. “Now is not the time to forget,” he says.
“There’s a real danger today of people saying, ‘The child abuse scandal is over. Let’s bury it. Let’s move on,’” he tells Simon.
“It isn’t over. Child protection and the protection of children is something that will go on…for the rest of our lives and into the future. Because the problems are there,” says the archbishop.
Bob Simon’s report looks at how the sexual abuse scandal in Ireland has transformed the way of life.
He shows how the child sex abuse crisis and cover-up in the Catholic Church in Ireland has taken a devastating toll on one of the most Catholic countries in the world. Some parishes that once saw 90 percent Sunday Mass attendance are down to two percent.
A country that once produced so many priests that they were considered an important export now doesn’t have enough for its own churches the report finds.
Despite the publication of the Murphy Commission’s report, a scathing analysis of the abuse and cover-up, the scandal is not over, says Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, one of the highest ranking church officials to openly criticize the Catholic Church.
When Martin became archbishop, he provided the Murphy Commission investigating child abuse with 65,000 files his predecessor had refused to turn over. In his sermons, he confronted the Church head-on for the behavior that caused the scandal.
Martin takes Simon on a tour of his old seminary in Dublin. “When I entered this building…there were 120 of us, and they were building a new extension. At the moment, I have 10 seminarians.”
In the Southwest of Ireland, Simon talks to the people of Allihies, Cork, who remember when the parish priest had more power than the mayor or the police chief. It was a special status that set the stage for the abuse and the cover-up.
Says Monica Polly, a parish council member in the town, “They cover it up because the priests were supposed to be perfect. They had an image of what they should be and they kept to that image rather than the reality.” She has grown pessimistic. “To be honest, I don’t think we’ve seen it all yet.”
Simon also talks to a priest, the Rev. Shane Crombie, who is optimistic about the future of the Church. Crombie uses the analogy of fire to describe the Church’s troubles. He keeps a charred cross on the altar of his church, a remnant of the original building rebuilt after burning down 25 years ago. It’s a reminder that the Catholic Church, too, can emerge from the flames that have engulfed it.
“I think the fire that’s burning in the church at the moment is…the fire of disappointment, the fire of absolute rejection…of cover-up,” he tells Simon. “It is the people, it was the people that rallied together to rebuild this church. It will be the people who will rebuild the church that is on fire,” says Crombie.
The archbishop speaks to Bob Simon for a 60 MINUTES report about the effects of the scandal on Ireland to be broadcast Sunday, March 4 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

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KOB (the wretch) stepped down less than one year later in Scotland, which is currently undergoing its own commission into the Church in Scotland and other organisations.

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Meanwhile 3 of the Priests (2 of whom were the accusers who brought him down) and one Bishop who willingly and happily had it off
with him, continue to be in Ministry in Scotland and in Switzerland. RIP.

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http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ia-davenport/archives/doyle.htm

AFFIDAVIT OF
THOMAS PATRICK DOYLE, O.P., J.C.D., C.A.D.C.

SECRECY AND CONCEALMENT OF SEXUAL ABUSE BY PRIESTS

10. As one who has been an expert witness and consultant in several hundred Catholic clergy sexual abuse cases in the United States and in other countries as well, I can readily attest to the fact that the common pattern and practice of the Institutional Roman Catholic Church authorities has been to handle reports of clergy sexual abuse with extreme secrecy, to avoid reporting such allegations to civil authorities, to use various tactics with victims and their families to coerce or even intimidate them from public disclosure or civil action, to fail to be proactive in providing adequate pastoral and psychological assistance and relief and to transfer alleged perpetrators from one assignment to another, often without telling the incoming assignment of the priest’s background.

11. A significant factor in the coverup of sexual abuse by priests has been the power of clericalism and religious duress on individuals and on secular institutions. Victims have been emotionally unable to disclose their abuse at the hands of Clerics simply because of the church instilled fear of divine retribution against them for saying anything negative about a priest. The same fear has prevented parents from even believing the tales their children have told them or if they did believe, from going public.

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Much of what is talked about on this blog has to do with speaking out, honesty, integrity, doing the right thing. Which, we don’t always see in the Church amongst our bishops and priests, who prefer coverup, protecting reputation, etc. I note in the debate in the UK about Dominic Cummings and the protection he is receiving from Boris Johnson, it is not the Catholic bishops who have anything to say about what is happening, but the C of E bishops who are fulsome in their views about this matter and its wider import for whom we can trust.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/bishops-turn-on-boris-johnson-for-defending-dominic-cummings

Why is there not a whimper from + Nichols and co ? I suspect Nichols will be weighing his options and watching which way the wind is blowing so that he can say what is most to his advantage. Or am I being cynical ? I would like to see one of our RC bishops say something substantial, and voice what many people think – this stinks, one law of the elite, another for the plebs, trust down the sink, sod those who make sacrifices and keep to the rules etc. etc. Sounds so much like what the Church has done and still does, doesn’t it ? So, I suppose if we recognise that is the underlying mindset and modus operandi of the Church even still, then we probably shouldn’t expect them to criticise it when they see it in others ?!

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Maybe + Byrne Cong Orat of Hexham and Newcastle has something to say, since all this malarkey took place in his diocese ? I suspect he won’t……

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The C of E bishops (laymen & women dressed up) are the Established Church and part of the Establishment – it’s their responsibility to speak up in order to keep relevant. The Catholic Bishops have more sense.

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11:59

Dancing is becoming a new alternative career move.
Ballet is a likely niche market for some of the girls.
Tutu frills, ballet shoes, doing pirouettes and wearing make-up!
They’d be well at home.

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This is the dark institution that Romanist parasites-cum-moochers serve over Christ. This is the institution they defend, so vilely on this blog, and with lies against others, including me.

No one should wonder why these ‘holy’ men behave as they do: they act simply in imitation of their parent.

How can an institution that claims to be ‘holy’ attract such moral calibre of human being? Isn’t it obvious? The institution is not holy, and those drawn to it are not seeking holiness: they are not seeking Christ. They lie when they assert otherwise.

The logic of this argument is as compelling as it is truthful; the Romanists will attack it, and me, with their customary vile, and untruthful, gusto. 😀

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Pat I wish you hadn’t let Cathbots persecute Magna yesterday, partly because it’s another retraumatisation of the sort you post about today and because Needless to say the cruelty and unpleasant behaviour hasn’t stopped without his comments. I would point at 12:06 and 11:11 as further examples of the sort of abusive behaviour you flag up today and I don’t think you should have published those.
Even if you don’t publish this I know you will read it and would appeal to you to reject more comments than you do now. You have enemies who will do anything to discredit you and allowing them to behave like that on your blog leaves you open to being discredited.
The simplest way to do this is to have a strict comment policy and stick to it rigidly.

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Magna @11.36am. You make it so obvious that this is from you. If you dish it out you’ve got to take it in return – simple.

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And you know what it’s hilarious when you all make out Magna is mentally ill when posters like 1:10 see him everywhere and put everything they don’t agree with down to him!
In fact you have revealed your agenda, which is that you’ve got it in for Magna – whereas if you actually read my comment you will see I am suggesting a strict comment policy which would apply to everyone including me.
If you want to prove or disprove who wrote my original comment there is software, as used by universities to detect plagiarism, which will analyse authorship.

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1.39
Precisely.
Your first paragraph on the modus operandi of those posters (likely Romanist priests or seminarians) is to invent accusations (to lie) about me, because my argument against them is irrefutably strong: they have nothing sensible and verifiable to counter it with, so they resort to calumnisation, one of the more serious sins they, ironically, like to pronounce on with a supercilliius inviolability. Just like the Romanist priests who were harsh with penitents in confession over moderate sexual sin, only to be discovered, at a future date, to have downloaded kiddie porn on their internet devices. (One such pervert and paedophile actually ‘ministered’ in my parish, and gave penitents a hard time, and severe penances, if they confessed to sexual sin.)
Just two days ago I was accused by one such poster of having been the author of not one anonymous post, but of three. These people lie without flicker of conscience. Remember this always
The default and cautious position for any person who has to interact with a Romanist priest or seminarian is to assume that this man is a liar and a kiddie fiddler, a frequent viewer of predominantly gay porn on his internet devices and who habitually (unless he’s too old) commits the sin of Onanism, but who condemns others for doing the same.
Never trust a Roman Catholic priest. Ever. Always remember that his first and only obligation, chosen by him at ordination, is to serve ‘Holy Mother Church’, an institution historically ‘corrupt, and riddled with corruption’. (Dr David Starkey)

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One of oldest victims Fr. Tom Doyle worked with was a 92 year old. She only revealed
the abuse, which happened when she was 12, at the age of 91, and she admitted bitterly
that she suffered the consequences for all the intervening years. Tom Doyle’s article ref is, “Roman Catholic Clericalism, Religious Duress and Clergy Sexual Abuse.” Pastoral Psychology 51 (2003) for detailed information on the legal and theological foundations for religious duress.

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Pat, have you see the dancing in Lurgan. Apparently it’s a daily event.

They look as camp as fook. It’s interesting to see that it’s only women who are commenting on social media that it’s great craic. Straight men are repulsed by it.

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Bishop Pat,
Any chance you can give us figures of daily hits your blog is having and maybe a geographical breakdown, just for interest sake, I know you did when you broke the killdorrery scandal in cloyne when it broke all records, just for interest sake
I love it couldn’t go without my daily fix of rcc corruption exposed

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@2.31’pm Whatever you say. Good for you. If that makes you feel content then keep thinking all of that. I’m so afraid that I’m going to go outside and shit myself.

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@12.26pm plus Patsy give us great entertainment over this nonsense about being Catholic but not Roman Catholic. You have to laugh at the logic I suppose. Just join the Protestant churches and be done with it.

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If you think the only Catholics in the world as Roman – you’re not the brightest button on the shirt.

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Those concealing sexual abuse of children or abuse of vulnerable adults are as bad if not worse than those who perpetrate the criminal abuse.

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Below are two links to articles on http://www.bishop-accountability.org about Siobhan O Connor mentioned above by Dr. Janet E. Smith.
Siobhan O Connor says;
“The reality of what I saw really left me with no other option because at the end of my life, I’m not going to answer to Bishop Malone. I’m going to answer to God,”…
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2018/09_10/2018_10_28_Brit_News_Why_Bishop.htm
Former Assistant to Bishop Malone, Siobhan O’Connor, Speaks out:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2018/09_10/2018_10_30_Keany_FormerAssistant.htm

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Thank you Pat for your hard work in exposing the truth, I do know you have suffered personal persecution from Eamon Martin and Michael Mullaney.

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Bishops are nothing but wolf in sheep clothing. They can’t be trusted given RCC historical record of abuse cover ups.
Given cov 19 pandemic here as Catholic Church proceeded to close all churches without consultation with the parish or area. It’s parish money that kept them alive. Now no monies coming in for them.

During the pandemic I made a decision to leave RCC cos I couldn’t bring myself to trust or to support it given my abused background. It’s clear but something that’s evil inside RCC that I don’t know nor see. It’s rottening inside.

Just of curiosity, did you get any visits from the Vatican on this blog on regular basis or is it one off just like kikdorrey altar sacrilege incident?

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I think you are being dishonest deaf guy saying you left the Church during the pandemic. You were on the blog at least a year ago claiming you had left the Church then. It’s true that liars need to have long memories.

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5.36pm

Are you a priest?

Just to be clear with you that I was thinking of leaving rcc and also the verge of leaving. But something pulled me back.

But this time, it snapped. Thanks to pandemic crisis or what? Its like as if rope was getting thin and thin over time. That’s how I would describe it.

I’m no liar as I have been honest, conscietous, true to myself.

I take no truck with some liars out there as regards to defending RCC including yourself. RCC is nothing but sheer dishonesty, liars, thinking only of themselves as means of self preservation, corrupt, rotten to the core, secretive just like the mafia in terms of OMERTA et al.

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@Deaf Guy
Definitely the right thing to do.
I hope the screams of ‘liar’ on here today have confirmed for you that you are better off out of that poisonous cesspit.

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4.20: I agree with 5.36: You are not telling the TRUTH re: leaving the Church during pandemic….that being the case, all else you say is suspect!

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I am afraid I have to agree with with you. I am disappointed in the Deaf Guy as I have had every sympathy for what he has said over a number of his posts. No one with any decency could fail to understand the harm that has been done.
However he has tripped himself up here as to when he has left the church. I hope it is just a mGarngad Ladistake and that he is not a troll.

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Deaf Guy goes into defensive mode and accuses me of being a liar for sticking up for the RC Church. I did no such thing and made no mention of the RC Church in my post @ 5.36pm. I simply pointed out that deaf guy was dishonest because I remember him saying at least a year ago he had left the RC Church way back then too. As I say, liars need long memories.

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I follow this blog on a daily basis, deaf guy posted before referring to the late priest in the alternate incident In killdorrery, he is honest i believe,
Deaf guy do not be preturd by these bitter and deceitful comments they may well be members of the cloyne gay mafia, very nasty believe me
I would like to chat with you deaf guy on a one to one basis perhaps on whats app
Maybe bishop pat could facilitate contacts exchange details as we know someone in common and i have very interesting info on him you may find interesting

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I think it highly unethical for you @7.58pm to obtain anybody’s WhatsApp details and that includes the deaf guy. Creepy if you ask me.

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I remember DG saying he was thinking of leaving the church. I have reason to remember
as I encouraged him to differentiate between the institution and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The lack of charity, the lack of compassion, the lack of justice, the lack of integrity and the dishonesty of bishops and their callous indifference to survivors is the issue today.
DGs integrity is not the issue. Focus on the corruption in the clergy and hierarchy as highlighted by Janet Smith.

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Deaf Guy telling lies is my issue @ 6.52pm because what other porkies has he told. I don’t need to be bamboozled by you into what my issue should be. Most of us can think for ourselves on this blog as it is the year 2020 thank you.

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8.20, you claim DG has lied and you simultaneously admit DG’s integrity is not compromised at all. You sound like you identify with the institution closely.
By “ministries”, “sodalities”, “associations”, “sacraments”, “vows” etc etc etc your institution which we tried to make ours also, threw intensity at us beyond measure and continuously all our lives long. We were frequently told once a _ always a _; cynically, it seems: this has even been “formalised”.
We walked out of it, but did it walk out of us?
When we hold fast for however long it takes, we find it is worth the pain because we can breathe the pure sun-dappled upland air of whatever degree and detail of agnosticism and belief we want. We bear burdens – we don’t carry baggage for Mr McCarrick.
We can thoroughly recommend to you our example and look forward to your benefitting no end from our example. I’m not saying this facilely like you were because you won’t know how long it will take you.

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8:41
DG, with respect , a wee bit of advice. Be very careful contacting anyone through this blog or any blog.
You wouldn’t know who might be behind any posts on this blog.

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How many priests on this blog today expressed outrage at the treatment of survivors by bishops ? None.
The basic problem is far too many within the Institutional church couldn’t give a damn.

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@8.04pm Your faux outrage about abuse victims is so obvious. I bet you haven’t given them a second thought today yourself.

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Brainwashed narcissistic clerical clones @ 5:20 @5:36@ 6:34@7:02.
Cloyne mentioned again today. DG must have ruffled feathers. What’s going on in Cloyne?

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8.04: Many priests have already on many occasions on this blog expressed their outrage at all abuse, cover up by bishops and have acknowledged the criminality of all abuse and believe fervently that civil law MUST be brought to bear in all situations. The fact that I or other priests do not express your expected outrage is one of two things: we do not frequent this blog for serious issues as when we express such opinions, we are ridiculed and harshly judged: secondly, we have other fora where we make our thoughts known and heard. You need to look beyond this blog for truth, fairness and balance.

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8:41
So, you have no comment on the Dr. Smiths article.
The problem is lack of truth fairness charity and balance from bishops.
I have no idea of the other fora you mention but I suggest your thoughts must be falling on deaf ears. It must be incredibly difficult trying to defend the indefensible.

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8.41 (immediately above): can we take it you are not the same as 5.36 / 7.02 / 8.20, nor 5.20, nor 6.34.
The first listed of these three first claimed ultra weakly that DG had lied about the RCC, then admitted that he hadn’t thereby intended the RCC to be placed in a good light (thus going from almost defending it, to tainting it by his bad example).
Now he admits DG’s integrity isn’t compromised at all (leaving egg on the faces of 5.20 and 6.34).
Those commenting on this aren’t taking aim at you at all. You aren’t being expected to post in any stance on any matter, at any time, and I’m sure you may rest assured you are not being thought any the worse.
The person at 8.04 hasn’t created any hostility, nor is he / she the weak moderator of the blog.
Several individuals gratuitously attacked whistleblowers who had done it at considerable risk. One or at most two commenters have an almost blanket attack policy seldom citing any substance at all.
Some of us aid continuity by using an invented screen name and alluding to severely damaged matters. Thus this blog is indeed a valuable information resource for all readers due to comments contributed.
If any of you think I’ve been unfair to you in my parsing of these exchanges, kindly explain here. Thank you all.

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I follow this blog on a daily basis, deaf guy posted before referring to the late priest in the alternate incident In killdorrery, he is honest i believe,
Deaf guy do not be preturd by these bitter and deceitful comments they may well be members of the cloyne gay mafia, very nasty believe me
I would like to chat with you deaf guy on a one to one basis perhaps on whats app
Maybe bishop pat could facilitate contacts exchange details as we know someone in common and i have very interesting info on him you may find interesting

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DG do NOT ask Pat to pass on your e-mail address to anybody. The individual at 9.07 who has not allowed continuity with the quality of his other comments will pass your e-mail address on to firms and / or companies.

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