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ST CLOUD DIOCESE TO PAY ABUSE VICTIMS $ 22.5 MILLION.

Associated Press

May 27, 2020


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ST. CLOUD, Minn. – The Diocese of St. Cloud will pay sexual abuse victims $22.5 million and file for bankruptcy, according to a settlement agreement.
Terms of the agreement were announced Tuesday.

Some 70 victims say they were abused by 41 priests in cases that date back to the 1950s.

Attorney Jeff Anderson negotiated the settlement agreement and said it gives validation to the victims, some of whom Anderson first represented in lawsuits filed in the 1980s, the Star Tribune reported.

“Every single survivor with whom we worked has felt some measure of recovery of power by having come forward to share secrets,” said Anderson.

“We believe they have made the community safer because of it, and they have been a part of a massive cleanup of a massive coverup in the Diocese of St. Cloud. It has been a journey born of great tribulation.”

St. Cloud Bishop Donald Kettler said in a statement that he apologized on “behalf of the Church for the harm they (victims) suffered.” Kettler said he hoped the settlement will help heal the victims of abuse.
If the bankruptcy plan is approved, the St. Cloud Diocese will become the fifth of Minnesota’s six dioceses to settle its clergy abuse claims and declare bankruptcy.

BishopAccountability.org  
St. Cloud Bishop Releases Names of 33 Accused Priests
By Alex Svejkovsky
WJON
January 3, 2014

http://wjon.com/st-cloud-bishop-releases-names-of-33-accused-priests/

Bishop Donald Kettler, Photo by WJON.com’s Jim Maurice

A day after a Sartell man filed a lawsuit against the Diocese of St. Cloud, Bishop Donald Kettler has released the names of those accused of sexual abuse of minors.

The move comes as other Minnesota Catholic Dioceses and the Archdiocese of Minneapolis-St. Paul are dealing with similar disclosures or lawsuits to release similar lists of clergy members.

In a new release issued today, Kettler said:

When I became Bishop of the Diocese of St. Cloud, I immediately began connecting with the people, familiarizing myself with policies and reviewing important documents that I am responsible for as Bishop. It is my intent to continue to provide a pastoral response to such abuse. I hope that the release of these names will provide validation to those victims.

According to the Bishop’s release, at least seven of the clergy members are still living. Four of them in Collegeville, one in St. Cloud, one in the Twin Cities, and one in New York.

Twenty-one others have died. And the status of five other clergy members are unknown.

Here is the list of clergy:

Robert Blumeyer, OSB (Order of Saint Benedict): St. Augustine, St. Cloud; St. Benedict’s, Avon; St. Catherine, Farming. Deceased

Michael Brennan, TOR (Third Order Regular of Saint Francis): Our Lady of the Angels Boarding School, Belle Prairie. Status Unknown

Anthony Canu, TOR: Our Lady of the Angels Boarding School, Belle Prairie. Status Unknown

Cosmos Dalheimer, OSB: St. Mary’s, St. Cloud; St. Benedict’s Monastery and College, St. Joseph; St. Augustine, St. Cloud; St. Joseph, St. Joseph; St. Scholastica Convent, St. Cloud. Deceased

John Eccleston: Sacred Heart, Staples; St. Edward’s, Henning; Ave Maria, Wheaton; Chaplain St. Francis Convent, Little Falls. Deceased

Richard Eckroth, OSB: St. Benedict High School, St. Joseph; St. Augustine, St. Cloud; Seven Dolors, Albany; St. Raphael’s Convent, St. Cloud; St. Scholastica Convent, St. Cloud. Currently residing in Collegeville, MN.

Sylvester Gall: St. Joseph, Pierz; St. Mary’s Cathedral, St. Cloud; Chaplain, St. Raphael, St. Cloud; St. John the Baptist, Swanville; St. Nicholas, Belle River; St. Nicholas, St. Nicholas; St. Andrew, Elk River; St. Michael’s, Motley; St. John Nepomuk, Lastrup. Deceased.

William Garding: St. Mary’s, Melrose; St. Paul’s, Sauk Centre; St. John the Baptist, Bluffton; Holy Cross, Butler; Assumption, Menagha; Director, Cemetary Office, St. Cloud. Deceased

Raoul Gauthier: Chaplain, St. Michael’s Hospital, Sauk Centre. Deceased

Thomas Gillespie, OSB: St. Boniface, Cold Spring; St. Joseph, St. Joseph; St. Raphael’s Convent, St. Cloud; St. Scholastica Convent, St. Cloud; St. Benedict’s Monastery, St. Joseph. Currently residing in Collegeville, MN

Stanislaus Goryczka: Holy Cross, Harding (Pulaski); St. Edward’s Elmdale; Our Lady of Lourdes, Little Falls. Deceased

Francis Hoefgen, OSB: St. Bonface, Cold Spring; St. Benedict’s Monastery, St. Joseph. Laicized. Address unknown

Othmar Hohmann, OSB: Immaculate Conception, New Munich; St. Boniface, Cold Spring; St. Joseph, St. Joseph. Deceased

Raymond Jacques: St. Peter and Paul, Sauk Centre; Assumption, Morris; St. Anne’s, Kimball. Deceased

Val Klimek: St. Mary’s Cathedral, St. Cloud; Spiritual Director, Cathedral High School; St. Columbkill, St. Wendel; St. Lawrence, Duelm; Director, Catholic Charities; Holy Trinity, Royalton; Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Rockville. Deceased

Reginald Krakowski, TOR: Local Superior, St. Louis Monastery, St. Cloud; Cathedral High School. Current Status Unknown

Joseph Kremer: Sacred Heart, Sauk Rapids; Staff, St. John’s Seminary/Diocese of St. Cloud; St. Michael’s, Spring Hill; Holy Spirit, St.Cloud. Deceased

Richard Kujawa: St. Mary’s, Breckenridge; St. Joseph, Bertha; St. Edward’s, Henning; Sacred Heart, Flensburg; St. Mary’s, Melrose; St. Hubert, Blue Grass; Our Lady of the Assumption, Menagha. Deceased

Henry Lutgen: St. Mary’s, Alexandria; Superintendent, St. Cloud Children’s Home; Director, Catholic Charities. Deceased

Brennan Maiers, OSB: St. Joseph, St. Joseph; St. Boniface, Cold Spring; St. Raphael’s Convent, St. Cloud; St. Benedict’s Monastery, St. Joseph; St. Scholastica Convent, St. Cloud. Currently residing in Collegeville, MN

James Mohm: St. Joseph, Pierz; St. Joseph, Brushvale; St. James, Maine; Immaculate Conception, Osakis. Deceased

Donald Rieder: St. Mary’s, Alexandria; St. James, Randall; St. Anne’s, Kimball; Assumption, Morris; St. Agnes, Roscoe; St. Louis, Paynesville; Chaplain, St. Gabriel’s Hospital, Little Falls; St. Stanislaus, Sobieski; St. John Cantius, St. Cloud. Deceased

Francisco Schulte, OSB: St. Boniface, Cold Spring. Collegeville, MN

Robert Smith: Holy Angels, St. Cloud; Holy Family, Belle Prairie; Our Lady of Victory, Fergus Falls; St. Leonard’s, Pelican Rapids; St. Paul’s, Sauk Centre; Chaplain, Poor Clare Sisters, Sauk Rapids; Holy Cross, North Prairie; St. Stanislaus, Sobieski. Deceased

Peter Snyers: Immaculate Conception, Rice; St. Mary’s, Breckenridge; St. Kathyrn’s, Ogilvie; St. Louis, Foreston; Assumption, Eden Valley; St. Hedwig’s and St. Mary’s, Holdingford; St. John Cantius, St. Cloud. Deceased

Allan Speiser: St. Ann’s, Wadena; Sacred Heart, Sauk Rapids; Holy Angels, St. Cloud; Chaplain, St. Raphael’s, St. Cloud; Cathedral High School, St. Cloud; St. Anthony, St. Anthony; St. Nicholas, St. Nicholas; Immaculate Conception, Becker; St. Francis Xavier, Sartell; St. John Nepomuk, Lake Reno; Our Lady of the Runestone, Kensington; Holy Cross, Butler; St. John the Baptist, Bluffton; Holy Spirit, St. Cloud; St. Francis, St. Francis. Deceased

James Thoennes: St. Anthony’s, St. Cloud; St. Mary’s, Melrose; St. Joseph, Waite Park; St. John’s, Foley; St. Anne’s, Kimball; Sacred Heart, Dent; St. Leonard’s, Pelican Rapids; St. Joseph, Bertha; St. Edward’s. Henning; Chaplain, St. Mary’s Villa, Pierz. Currently residing in St. Cloud, MN

Roger Vaughn, OSC (Canons Regular of the Order of the Holy Cross (Crosiers)) : St. Peter’s, St. Cloud. Currently residing in New York.

Michael Weber: Holy Spirit, St. Cloud as transitional deacon. Currently residing in Twin Cities, MN

William Wey: St. Mary’s Cathedral, St. Cloud; St. Donatus, Brooten; Immaculate Conception, Sedan; St. Gall, Tintah; Sacred Heart, Dent; St. Peter, Dumont; St. Patrick, Collis. Deceased

Adelbert Wolski, TOR: Cathedral High School. Current Status Unknown

Vincent Yzermanns: St. Boniface, Melrose; St. Mary’s Cathedral, St. Cloud; St. John the Baptist, Swanville; Editor, Saint Cloud Visitor; St. Nicholas, St. Nicholas; St. Rose, St. Rosa; St. Anthony, St. Anthony. Deceased

Francis Zilkowski: Chancellor, Diocese of Saint Cloud; St. Louis, Foreston; Sacred Heart, Flensburg; Our Lady of Lourdes, Little Falls; Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Opole. Deceased

Bishop Kettler says he hopes the release of names will help victims.

It is my hope that the release of these names will provide validation to those victims who have been sexually abused and have already come forward. I pray it will also give strength to those who have remained silent and allow them to come forward.

The release also encourages anyone who may have been sexually-abused to contact a victim’s advocate.


ORDINATIONS OF EXCELLENT YOUNG PRIESTS FOR LEEDS AND NOTHAMPTON

FATHER JOSHUA HILTON

Recently ordained for Leeds.

Formerly of Oscott and Allen Hall.

FATHER BRENDAN SEERY

Recently ordained for Northampton.

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156 replies on “ST CLOUD DIOCESE TO PAY ABUSE VICTIMS $ 22.5 MILLION.”

Now that seems like a pastoral response Bishop Kettler. Well done!
Seperately, I was reminded of that hauntingly beautiful song by Gretchen Peters “On A Bus To St Cloud.” with the unforgettable lyric “And I wept in the arms of Jesus for the choices I’d made!” (Amen!)

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10.27

Pastoral response by Kettler? You are naive, or perhaps the latest in a long line of cheerleaders/apologists for the institutional Church.

Kettler’s doicese has filed for bankruptcy to protect remaing assets, which are considerable. Kettler then expresses cod concern that his action (in military terms, a rearguard action: self-defensive in retreat) will encourage other, silent victims of abuse by priests in his diocese to come forward. 😕

The man is such a self-contradiction that someday he’ll lose sight of himself altogether: Who am I?

This is the inevitable outcome for men who cling to their ordination vows/promises to serve the interests of such a morally putrid institution as the Vatican.

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Indeed @4:17. Magna’s comment is an excellent perceptive analysis of the key motivational factor in most of the RC institutional response when legally cornered with irrefutable evidence of its failings.
Of course cathbots won’t like hearing this and, as @ 5:42, invariably mount ad hominem repetitious insults. It’s all, and the best, they can do.
MMM

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The present generation of bishops are the fourth or fifth (third in a few rare places in England) generation since the pitch queering got entrenched. The RCC led the worldwide stampede to cease to teach the laity to pray (the televangelists merely copied the RCC). The bishops’ elbows get jogged by the people that get under their feet (like in Del Boy country).
The establishment has lost sight of the principle of principle. It’s not a matter of traditionalism because no-one knows what tradition was and no-one knows why it was wrong to have any. Oakley gives himself brownie points for being a “heresy hunter hunter”. That they don’t know what the heresies were isn’t their fault – only that they didn’t know they didn’t know.
John, Paul, JP II, and especially Big F, have enforced only rigid wishy washiness. Obedience should only apply if there is something worth obeying. (Pius we learned about the other week.) Benedict had Sodano and Bertone under his feet, so we can’t tell whether he really had turned coat (the incident with Schoenborn was like a hostage taking) (he did mutter about wolves but did we pray – were we ever taught to pray).
My family were on the fringe, since having “enquired” just before I was born. Green field dioceses – blue sky doctrines – white heat. We were told we were going to be told what the beliefs were going to be but we never have been. Sometimes, only the ghosts of beliefs. And no belief in Holy Ghost indwelling. Always punch pulling. I sought “catechesis” one time too many. Debriefing a la Dr Herman always gets sabotaged. I knew some years ago I should be warning others, but I didn’t have the mental stuffing.
We walked out of it – but did it walk out of us? I feel like Lot’s wife.
Vacant words echo through vacant years and vacant heads – who am I – who am I – who am I. If we are young and old fashioned we can take to the beer (like the lingering shots in the video). If we are middle aged and avant garde, the gin. If we are old and wish we had become individuals, the tea pot.

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There is something shocking arising behind the subject of recent topics. But don’t guitar & piano go beautifully together.

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It’s something that paradoxically wouldn’t work on the mainland because the RCC is too entrenched here (postcolonial caste system).

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Peope pretending to be other people on here lately.
I remember a guy who they wanted to destroy. His name was advertised on dark secret web network called Tor.
They hid something in his car, drugs!
Anothee guy was even attempting to coerce him into sellig drugs and this was when he was very vulnerable on medications for his illneses caused by clerical abuse.

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8:46am
Because, possibly, he would not shut up. He kept popping his head up from the bottom of the Emperor’s charriot.
— They wanted to hang him on a tree and leave him there to die;
As a deterrent for all to see!
Judas, the epitome of betrayers. He is infamous for his evil. One of the twelve, as Matthew reminds us – and with a kiss – a most cruel symbol of false loyalty wrapped around a heart of wicked treachery.
But why? Why such deep and persistent duplicity? Guilt maybe? Fear of the truth coming out? Most certainly! YES!

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He was on to THEM though. He possibly had a gift, grace even, where all their attempts backfired in messy
sorts – became a heap of spaghetti for them.
Place all your faith in Christ Jesus and He will protect you: Faith in and Love for your fellow man, priest or NO priest! and you can’t go wrong.
Where Roman prelates heads are on the block, the Devil will be raging with fits of anger! BEWARE, the devil is prowling your Diocese looking for a lamb to devour! Turn from your crooked ways! Bow down to Jesus and Him alone!
Do not be afraid! For the Spirit of truth will guide your conscience, He will help you EXPOSE this evil, in all its guises. It won’t be easy, but He will burdon some of your yoke… Remember when you are under attack, burdoned with His heavy cross, He is shouldering it with you; therefore, He is right at your side with His hand on your back.
Anyway, this guy, under attack, was given an external hard drive just before Christmas. He, being the geek he is, performed a deep platter/partition inspection on this device; the platter contained mosty ordinary stuff, but there was a video, hidden right at the bottom of the file list, of a toddler being interfered with. It was horrible, could’t stop crying. Wicked world we live in. He immediately called 999 and the Police came and collected this device. He of course, without so much as a heart beat, told the bobby who it was who had given him this device, he was really nice and comforting and he sent it off for analysis then destruction. The bobbies called the day before the Civil Court date to give me a bit of advice! advice which made think maybe they have ‘seen’ similar before. They told me to change my alarm code and to be alert when out and about and if I felt anything was not quite right to call them without hesitation.
By the way, the guy who had hacked my Whats app (pretending to be me), my iCloud p/w and email address p/w, I managed to get a few recordings of him boasting and giving himself away after he had been drinking. I wonder whether or not he still got got his doggy biscuits from his master?!? If he had recieved a downpayment, he could be in hot waters…
These recordings are duplicated tenfold and independent of any network access (with all the other stuff) and safe for posterity. Shorty after he realised he had been recorded admittng and boasting he bacame very unhappy. Aww, poor dear.
+Pat, these people are becoming increasingly agitated – and wreckless.
I had an unexpected knock on my door yesterday; I was told a particular person is extrememy ill with health, and that he believes “He is alot sicker than he is letting on” my reply was
“I totaly agree with your statement – in part!”
Take care and stay safe all. And keep the love flowing… It will come back to you TENFOLD! x

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This is true. They used similar methods on another seminarian who was ripped to shreds in the comments of this blog.

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Mmmmmm???? Really ????? I don’t really see what their relevance is to today’s blog ? And, frankly, I find the hairstyles very….well….prissy, coiffed and a little suspect. Not sufficiently manly and robust for my liking. Perhaps others can enlighten us as to their relevance today ?

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8.43: Prissy Priests: So, you belong to such a group, Fathers?? I guess you’d prefer the blind, blue eyed, Adonis body type? Or maybe a tally, burly, hairy, rugged type? Dream on fantasist…

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I think their hairstyles are very smart and tidy. Remember the hair on the awful Michael Cleary. He looked like Rasputin.

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Magna under the guise of Prissy @ 8:43am
They are two lads in their twenties, would you rather them have skinheads and go round smashing up bus stops and joyridding round housing estates annoying us all. Or, would you rather these two young men be committed to the Lord, in their youth, and in a world that has lots of different paths to offer?
And if they still are ‘finding’ their footing in life with lessons to learn, is it not better they learn whilst walking alongside the Lord?
We don’t want our priests to be Saints, we want them to be normal human beings–and normal human beings make mistakes on the journey.
With exception to hurting others of course.

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Father Brandan Seery and Father Joshua Hilton are exceelent Priest the dioceses concerned are very lucky.

Father Brendan usually does not wear black coats but wears the collar.

However they will be in their third year now in parishes.

Father Brendan is already in his second parish.

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Keep bullshitting Jim and making it up as you go along lol. Both in their third year, really!!! Keep supplying the info as it’s so entertaining.

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Jim, Fr Josh is in his second parish too. Did your mates at the Vatican or in Leeds not tell you that lol.

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Did you agree with it being postponed? Did you agree with him being ordained? Are you a priest?

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Josh was moved from St Mary’s College, Oscott to Allen Hall midway through formation. He caused issues everywhere he went along with his friends Henry and Sean.
-Henry Longbottom SJ is now a seminarian for Leeds after he was kicked out of the Jesuits. (He is close to JP Lyttle)

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It seems quite common to develop “issues” while at Oscott. How’s the new Rector dealing with “issues”?

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Ha! Ha! Quite so, though he looks like a nice traditionally minded boy, and I wish him well. He was ordained in a handsome Gothic chasuble, but what possessed him to wear an incongruous lacy alb with it – made him look like an Anglo-Catholic curate?

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The ‘pastoral’ response to victims of abuse is lies, lawyers, and the threat of litigation while
re-traumatizing. Victims go to a solicitor. Don’t contact priests, bishops or nuncios.

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Abuse is abuse, and is criminal. So, go straight to the police. Make it so the first the clergy or bishop knows about it is a knock on the door from the police to investigate. Don’t give the clergy or bishops time to come up with all sorts of excuses and to collude over their stories and to destroy their files. Because that is what they do, in order to cover up their arses and protect their reputations.

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@9.20 I agree with you, and it is most difficult when an abuser is dead because in effect there is no possible end to it.
The police also won’t want to know unless you live somewhere where failure to report is a criminal offence and a Bishop who failed to act is still alive.

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Add them to your databank, Bp Pat, just in case they eventually… well, let’s just say, have to give their ordination gifts back.

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Yes, why did he suddenly delete his Twitter account? And if everyone in Leeds knows why Joshua Hilton’s ordination was delayed, may we also know? Otherwise one might start to think these nice young men are not all they seem to be . In fact, given they have not just been ordained, as Pat somewhat disingenuously suggested, what was the motivation for suddenly posting them after 3 years on the job?

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Really? I’m all agog! Bring it on, and don’t feel you need spare our blushes: we can take it! It will make a nice change to hear about Northern lads.

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@12:31 Couldn’t they just call it “Group Of Parishes” or something! I realise I may be damaged but “Cluster!” …..

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Higgins PP of the Cluster, the one with the big chin and cheesy smile, was a shitbag when in Oscott. A blast from the past.

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Was David Oakley in charge of Oscott with some pretty boys? Our David tolerated the queens and some would say protected them. There is a wider story here and guess who’s in the middle, J P Lyttle. All roads lead to Rome but all roads lead to Lyttle and you’ve uncovered two young priests in the web today Pat.

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John smiling Udris is another shitbag in Oscott. Spiritual Director, what a laugh. Well known fact among the students that he escaped his diocese. He’s a joke. Reports back what you’ve said. Dangerous man.

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Higgins is a total nerd. I heard he spent some time in Boston learning some malarkey. The type who only wears black clerical shirt when the Bishop is in town – what’s that all about?

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From its tone I think the disproportionate innuendo is coming from the bullies themselves, as it also did a few months ago.

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@4.15pm Alf I was only poking fun and not meant to be nasty or offensive. I like your response. You have a sense of humour unlike others on the blog.

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@4.29pm Pat, have sent you the email already and it’s fact not fiction. This is a tangled web and if you think Maynooth was bad, Allen Hall and Oscott? You ain’t seen nothing yet our kid in relation to those two photos you posted last night. The web is very wide

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4.04pm Udris is only part time after his first love, St Therese of Liseux. The Sems at Oscott thinks he wants to BE her. The fellow staff laugh at him and his old spiritual director that got him the job in the first place.

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We are sin plus nothing, I’ve heard this from the Wanstead Flats element, it must have come into fashion or something. I want to wipe that smirk off her stupid face. She was good for nothing else so her controller wanted to turn her into a troll against humanity, and they spun a pretty penny. How very fin de siecle.

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Any documents, guidelines, directives, issued by the Vatican to bishops and priests regarding a pastoral approach or response to victims of clerical abuse? If not why by not?

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Call me old-fashioned, but somehow I am missing the seminary stereotype that neither Josh nor Brandan might have married the girl they had supposedly fallen in love with at the age of sweet sixteen, and had six Catholic children by her, but had selflessly given all that up to be seminarians and then – praise God! – priests dedicated to following His Holy Law, which states unequivocally that remarriage after divorce, pretended gay relationships, and spilling one’s seed outside the approved depository ( i.e. NOT some other bloke’s arse or even your own bed-sheets ) are INTRINSIC EVILS TO BE NO WAY CONDONED. Bless their consistency!

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All the OSBs above are from St John’s Abbey in Collegeville, which granted is a big community but you wonder what it must be like with the number of monks they’ve got under restrictions 😂
This is a special comment for the person who gets upset when anywhere other than Ireland and diocesan priests is mentioned 💪

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Lol we know that it has been a hotbed of rampant paedophilia, ignoring of complaints, moving around of monks, denial of the degree of the problem, all the usual.
I can see that being a priest or religious right up to the nineties must have been a blast because you could get found out doing almost anything and there was no comeback.

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Did you know St Paul-Minneapolis moved their archdiocese offices into a sticky tape factory – presumably as a propaganda coup.

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Not sure if there is a connection with Ronald Serry or Brendan Serry. All I know is that Ronald is a few sandwiches short of a picnic after his time in the Bed a. Some say he’s too fond of the sauce

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6.59pm. That’s an interesting name you raise. He’s keeping quiet and keeping under the radar as +Vin denanded he do. Surprisingly after Pat’s interest in Monty he also deleted his Twitter account to outsiders and overnight. He was a naughty boy in Lourdes getting drunk at night and declaring that the present Bishop of East Anglia Hopes was in a gay relationship in front of many clergy present. Next thing you know- hauled in by +Vinny and priesthood delayed by one year. Ring any bells in Leeds or elsewhere??

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No way. I knew Tom had a few in Lourdes but I wasnt present when he slagged Bishop Alan off. I know he had issues personally and had ssues with Westminster in general but that surprises me.

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Here’s the thing. If you are a Christian of literally any sort how is a grindr account compatible with that? With the rare exceptions of people having one professionally such as sexual health workers and so on.
When did Christian sexual morals start including random promiscuity?
And these people are thought suitable to be leaders of the community?

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We need a version of the Anti-Modernist oath as demanded by Pius X. Do you admit and comply by the teaching of the RCC regarding remarriage after divorce, homosexual relationships and masturbation OR NOT? “Straight” answers please! Ask the recently ordained … and see how far you get !

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Inconsistency is now indelibly entrenched in everything RCC. It started out of the Great War, which was even before my time and has accelerated. You can’t uphold anything without failing to uphold something equal to it. The church authorities brought the bait and switch without any bait, into it themselves.

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7.38
Why are you preoccupied with sexual matters?
Why has sex such a high priority in your moral code?
Not too long ago, the recently ordained, had they been as morally inflexible and dogmatic as you appear, would have endorsed Church teaching on the death penalty, teaching that gravely contradicted Jesus’ words and example in the Gospel.
Why do sexual matters arouse such indignation in you, while the upholding of human life, in all its stages, matters so little to you (if at all)?
Are you externalising sexual guilt?

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7.22: You live in a closeted world I think. There are many, many non clerics, married men and multiple variations of human sexual orientations on all kinds of apps. selling their wares…..Ask Pat. He knows the multiples of all sorts on various sites! We must each live by moral and ethical codes and – the highest is expected of clerics! Always but never achieved. Our individual conscience each day before God is essential to examine. Do you engage in such an ideal?

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What’s all the shite posted on here yesterday about new Bishops being appointed? This blog is full of shit and mischief. Troublemaking gossip queens the lot of you. Thanks

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Well Pat I asked why you posted the two pictures, was it gossip bait? Of course it was, look at the comments, you knew exactly what you were doing. And I’ve probably wasted my time typing this because you won’t publish it.

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@10:02pm Plenty of people know what Pip the cat is talking about! Some to their credit and some to their shame!

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8.11: You mean “quiet” not quite……Leave the demon to destroy himself. We don’t need this poisonous virus. Ever.

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I appreciate your concern, Magna, but my point was to challenge the newly ordained regarding strictures in which neither you nor I – nor, I would hope – any intelligent man of integrity would believe.

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The Holy Father has just proclaimed Barnard Castle a Sacred Site after thousands of blind pilgrims have miraculously recovered their sight after travelling there during lockdown.

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Can you investigate the suicide of Pablo who was a Neo Cat in Allen Hall? The year 2001 onwards or thereabouts. Sad case. A Neo Cat and Westminster cover up.

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I first heard this song in St Syprian’s church, Liverpool, in the early noughties (now converted into posh student accommodation). The Vicar, a lovely young priest called Emma introducrd it to us during one of our Newsham Council of churches ecumenical services.
Sister Pauline Gaughn DC was sitting next to me (if you are from Liverpool you will remember Sr Pauline Daughter of Charity, she was a walking Saint!). She must have been attentive to my joy upon listening to the words… next time I saw her at St Michael’s she gave me a little package containing a music CD…
For you Sister Pauline x
Michael Card sings: God’s own fool.
https://youtu.be/sklJ2vCgVtU

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9:48pm
If God’s Holy wisdom is foolish to men, then He must have seemed to be suffering from serious and deteriorating mental health! 🤣🤣

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@8:59 ROFL I’m on grindr myself and not even a Christian.
Nobody is answering my actual question which is in Christian sexual ethics when did promiscuity become OK?
Even if you were to say that (for example) gays were discriminated against and so are to be looked on differently now (a broadly liberal position taken by liberal Christian denominations) I’m finding it difficult to justify putting it about in Christian sexual ethics.
Yes, nobody is perfect and anyone can sin, but those considering being Christian leaders should surely consider where their sex life falls short and whether they should actually put themselves forward.
Surely any Christian who is actively promiscuous would see that at the very least as something to be put in order?
My point is the extreme gap between the ethics and the life lived – and that surely if the person does not address this themselves there is something very wrong?

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My friend, I am a parish priest, and preaching about sexuality is the bottom of my list. In fact I have never done it. So, don’t worry. Just find a nice parish where you feel comfortable.

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Just like Kieran. Thus you can’t uphold something without failing to uphold something else. It’s probably not the system you would have designed, but you are reduced to weaving and winding in it.

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Should we infer The Viaduct is a gay bar – or more than that? I have no problem with their going there – but I certainly do should they be preaching Humane Vitae as a prophetic document along with all the other bull-shit against wanking and taking it up the ass!

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