If I was a bus driver and turned up for work under the influence of alcohol or drugs I would be immediately terminated for gross misconduct. And quite right too.
If I was a social worker and said the things to a client that Father John Paul Lyttle said to a parishioner – “I watch porn, wank and am always horney” – I would be immediately terminated for gross misconduct. And quite right too.
CANON DENNEHY VG AND JPL
If I was a university lecturer and seduced one of my first year students I would be immediately yerminated for gross misconduct. And quite right too. But a Maynooth seminary lecturer who does this is retained and promoted!
If I was a teacher and accidentally showed photos of naked men to a parent/ teacher meeting I would be immediately terminated for gross misconduct. And quite right too. But the Armagh PP of Pomeroy, Father Martin McVeigh, who did exactly this was simply made PP of another parish south of the Irish border!
If a local policeman flashed naked images of himself to a teenager on an internet site he would be immediately dismissed for gross misconduct. But the PP of Keady, Fr Eamon McCamley did exactly this and his archbishop continues to pay his salary and allow him to supply for other priests in Armagh’s equivalent of Siberia, County Louth.
If a training airline captain was showing his underwear to trainee pilots and quizzing them about their erections, wet dreams and masturbarory habits he would be immediately terminated for gross misconduct. Quite right too. Yet, Father Paul Prior was allowed to do this for 20 years and still be accepted into the Jesuits! True, he is now among the missing but his new bishop may very well make him a PP in Kilmore diocese?
For some reason the RCC and its officers / members seem to think that the RCC is exempt from the ordinary, decent, just standards that apply to government, industry, the charity sector, health services, law enforcement etc.
Is it because they think they were founded by God and are only answerable to him?
Is it because they think they are ontologically superior to the rest of mankind?
Is it because, that for so many centuries, the civil powers bowed down to them?
Or is it because they believe, cynically, disengenously, laughingly, that they get away with it just because they can?
The RCC needs to feel the full force of international and national law in order to rectify this massive evil.
The Vatican needs to be recognised as part of a certain axel of evil by the international community.
In many ways the RCC has behaved like an organisation of moral terrorism!
Their false statelet needs to be removed from them to make them 100 % answerable to Italian, European and international law.
And in every country on earth they should be as equal before the law as any other organisation or citizen.
THE BISHOPS ROLE IN ALL OF THIS
The bishops, as “management” are standing by silently.
They are accepting predatory men into seminaries.
They are ordaining predatory men.
Maybe they are predators themselves – or secretly lust after predators.
They are abandoning the sheep and handing the sheep pens over to the wolves.
They are men of this world.
Not men of God!
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
135 replies on “CLERICAL SEXUAL PREDATORS ARE GUILTY OF GROSS MISCONDUCT AND SHOULD BE TERMINATED.”
It’s frustrating Pat that you don’t provide info who are included in the pics you publish like tonight and the sources of articles you produce.
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David Marsden would be up before a disciplinary tribunal for Homophobia
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What disciplinary tribunal would that be?
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But-but Romanist priests are ultra-special. No matter the criminality in which they engage, they must be protected above all others.
Where’s s Spanish republican, 1930’s style, to deal with Romanist #$@*, when you need ’em? Eh? 😕
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At the 10:33pm troll 🙄🥱😴
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@10:33
God of heaven and earth, God of the angels and archangels, God of the prophets and apostles, God of the martyrs and virgins, God who have power to bestow life after death and rest after toil; for there is no other God than you, nor can there be another true God beside you, the Creator of heaven and earth, who are truly a King, whose kingdom is without end; I humbly entreat your glorious majesty to deliver this servant of yours from the unclean spirits; through Christ our Lord. Amen
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1.28
Thank you. (I think. 🙄)
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But they are more pliant if they aren’t. Surely that’s the goal. Pliant ones.
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I am a priest, and I desperately want out. But I will lose everything. I entered as a very sincere young man. Celibate, no funny business. I just can’t take it anymore. Maybe it’s Covid-19. I am just struggling mentally. Pray for me Pat. I need some guidance.
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11:26 am
Stay calm.
Seek support from someone you can trust, who can empathize, and advise. +
Pray to the Lord, regardless. God loves you- Always will.
In my prayers.
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Does the God who calls to priesthood ever call a man to leave priesthood – either for the man’s own good or for other hidden, mysterious reasons? I’m sure he does.
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Trust God! Do the right thing and know that God loves you. Many many others are in the same position.
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8:33 am
Certainly.
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That is not a good enough answer to a man at his wits end.
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Dear Priest Brother, I am genuinely sorry to hear of how you are feeling. But how you feel is quite “normal” given the state of the church and priesthood. Have you someone you trust to talk to and share all you are feeling? Its vital that you have someone like that.
I will offer my 12 noon Mass for you today. Concelebrate with me. http://www.bishoppatbuckley.org
If I can help you.contact me on.07488 374364 or bishopbuckley1@outlook.com
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Pat is really nice to talk to on the phone, really calm and wise. I did it when I had a difficulty and it was very helpful. He’s good craic, puts you at your ease and listens well.
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Thanks Pat. I will do that. 12 noon.
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By the way, if you ever need a place to stay and help getting back on your feet you can have full board here costing nothing. This is a serious offer.
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This is the sad, shackled situation of so many priests of a certain age. The whole feudal / medieval relationship between a priest and his bishop / diocese means that he essentially depends for everything on remaining in that relationship – stipend, housing, healthcare, retirement benefits etc. Unless he is fortunate to have independent means, which usually means he has inherited a property or some money in the Thatcherite trickle down of wealth through the generations, he will have nothing to fall back on. By the time he is tired, disillusioned, washed out, demoralised, and wants to lay aside ministry, he will be too old to undertake another career or profession. So, he is stuck. Going through the motions simply in order to keep a roof over his head. And, bishops know this, and they know that it gives them power and control over these men. So, as we reflect, quite rightly, on the deplorable understanding and application of professional standards in the Church (which, as quite rightly said, would simply not be allowed in any other self respecting profession or career), let us also reflect on some of the consequences of the dysfunction of the institutional Church for clergy who have come to the end of their ministry. Even those who stick it out until 75, any retirement benefit / patronage that is bestowed on them is only given to them with ongoing control and at the discretion of the bishop / diocese. Power, control, unaccountability, lack of professionalism, exceptionalism, self-elevation – all of these things are sinister aspects of the institutional life and the clerical culture. They should not be allowed. Perhaps the time has come for the institutional Church and its ’employment’ practices and its discipline and professional standards to be the subject of external, objective, secular investigation and regulation. The Church has shown it is incapable of doing this itself. In any other walk of life this would have happened long ago.
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Why don’t they just retire on sick grounds, get a sick note from their GP? The diocese won’t evict them, will it?
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God both called me to religious life and out of it again and ever since I have found that things always fall into place as long as I follow that prompting. I have never been hungry and have mostly had a roof over my head, however I have been at best comfortable and sometimes quite poor, but the satisfaction of knowing I did what was right makes up for that.
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Well done you. I was left penniless when I was sacked in 1986 – of course I did retain the presbytery 😇 Maybe more priests should engage in “adverse possession” ???
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9:38 am.
Great post.👍 Shackled, comes to mind.
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I am happy to give any priest suffering low morale and depression / anxiety free full board at The Oratory and work with him to get rent allowance and state benefits to get up and going again.
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We have a lot to learn from the employment practices and culture of the Church of Ireland.
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What if Peter Damian had said that / left, He is most famous for his outing of the homosexual predators in the 11th century, persevering despite his obvious disgust in dealing with the subject. He’s now a canonised saint and Doctor of the Church.
This kind of despair and “wanting out” is not surprising given the spiritual and religious state of the Church this past fifty odd years. When the Faith goes, the morals quickly follow.
Perhaps if you start from “ground zero” so to speak, you will begin to see more clearly how the immorality, the scandals around us were able to take root.
It’s sad that you would consider losing everything in order to get out of your priestly ministry, while there are no priests, it seems, willing to lose everything to expose the rot and fight publicly to restore the Faith as it has been handed down to us from the Apostles.
Asking Our Lady, to comfort and strengthen you. God bless.
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Thank you Editor. Priests, more than ever, need ministered to – as well as challenged.
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Beware, Bp Pat, “The Rancid Little Flower.”
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Who is the editor? Something not quite right about this.
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Patricia Mckeever.
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He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon.
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???
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She once asked her blog followers to comment on whether it was appropriate, under Canon Law, for Stephen Gately to have a Catholic funeral as another funeral at the time of a convicted Nazi criminal, Erich Priebke, was prohibited.
Quote “… were the authorities in Rome who forbade a Catholic funeral in the case of the Nazi war criminal Erich Priebke right to do so? And were the Archbishops of Dublin and Glasgow right to permit public Catholic funeral rites for partnered homosexuals?” Unquote.
https://catholictruthblog.com/2013/10/16/catholic-funerals-who-is-eligible-2/
(Wiki: Erich Priebke was a German mid-level SS commander in the SS police force of Nazi Germany. In 1996, he was convicted of war crimes in Italy, for commanding the unit which performed the Ardeatine massacre in Rome on 24 March 1944 in which 335 Italian civilians were killed in retaliation for a partisan attack that killed 33 men of the German SS Police Regiment Bozen.[2] Priebke was one of the men held responsible for this mass execution. After the defeat of Nazi Germany, he fled to Argentina, where he lived for almost 50 years.)
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There is a safe place for you in Liverpool if needed, Father.
There are genuine people on here who care.
+Pat will see you right too.
Don’t worry x
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The picture is non other than our Monsignor Michael Dennehy, and our Father J P Lyttle, holding a glass of wine. These are the ones who made the Catholic policeman look like a liar. Truth is, these two priests were liars.
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JPL is looking a bit puffy and washed out in that pic. I think the pretty boy looks are fading fast. Any update on his whereabouts and what he is up to, or are they just hoping that if he keeps a low profile for a while it will all blow away and then he can emerge somewhere else and carry on ? That’s the usual pattern. As the blog says today, in any other walk of life / profession he would be the subject of disciplinary action and probably terminated. Oh, I forgot, of course, he is a “priest forever”. Silly me !
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He is awaiting a new appointment Egan.
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The bloom has well and truly gone off the JPL rose. He’s as grey as a badger to boot🦡
Drink is a big issue 🥃🍷as well as his inability to control his willy’s urges
🤜🍆💦.
He won’t be reassigned. He’s finished. Egan made a massive mistake in ordaining him. The puffed up idiot couldn’t be told.
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8.50 It is not a “Priest Forever”
Sadly there are three types of priest.
There’s the one at 11.26 who genuinely needs help and advice and hope Bishop pat is able to assist him however there are state benefits and social care available as well. (so this guy is genuine)
Then there is the spongers who know they should not be in ministry for all sorts of reasons including celibacy however they are not daft they hang on for their greed taking from the widows might.
they know it takes months if not years for Bishops to take action due to Canon Law so that is usually why you see c/o diocesan offices however I must stress that some c/o diocesan offices is genuine retired or priest who are ill.
Like the priest at 11.26 a genuine man c/o diocesan offices to start with.
The spongers and those leading double life sicken me.
Then the third is those who love the ministry or as some would say the “company”
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Here is a plain take on the recent data. That Lyttle has fallen out with Dennehy (jointly with Egan chief enabler) is a good sign. He should see Egan in the true light next. As they’ve made themselves public figures I can tell them straight out, the NHS is not very good with mania and binge drinking alcoholism, and the only remediation is fulsomely getting a grip on the self-management of one’s own life.
Thus far Lyttle plays on the fake propaganda in the seminary videos, namely that he will be loved for his confections, and in return there is a nice lot of beer swilling and skateboarding. Egan et al are so fake even Lyttle cannot usefully (stress on usefully) use that against them any longer.
As for what “movement” are never more than a few miles from anywhere Lyttle turns up (e.g Isleworth is sandwiched between Hampton Hill and Ealing), the more said about them the better. People who get a grip on their own self management subsequently acquire true dignity that “sacraments” and “movements” (which are solely there for minding and meddling) only further deprive one of.
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May I remind you that the Superindendant Chief Detective who lead the J Bulger case labelled ** ”One of the most convincing liars I have ever come across during my whole investigative career.’
Then the evidence was splashed all over Liverpool’ and some!
These lying Romanists are very, very convincing. Imagine how many innocent victims have wrongly been labelled liars?!
It is a crying shame
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Good heavens..this blog is virtually a site!
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Compared to the horrendous background of the Church in Ireland, I expect most members would consider the examples given as relatively minor faults or sin. One of them even received a bouquet from his bishop with a note marked “Naughty boy!”
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Cardinal Hume once said to a Westminster PP cohabiting with his boyfriend ” You will be discreet Father”. The PP told me the story himself.
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And where is the PP in question and his boyfriend now ?
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Still in situ.
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In one of the plum central London parishes, if we are thinking of the ex-Anglican who used to go shopping hand-in-hand in Safeway in Wood Green.
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I would have such a couple would have shopped in Fortnum and Mason?
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They now shop in the convenient M&S Local in Liverpool St station.
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Well M&S is better than Safeway 😄
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Basil knew about a priest in a plum parish who went cottaging in the gents in Charing Cross station. I told Basil. The priest “D” is now PP in a different plum parish.
Basil was also told by a female volunteer receptionist at Clergy House who, unusually, was being perved on by a cathedral priest. Basil was probably so shocked that a woman was involved that he made him PP of a very agreeable parish in NW London.
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Basil was said to have got very “excited” when England was about to become a “Catholic” country!
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What happened to /on the Island of saints and scholars.
What country is known as ground zero of catholic church abuse worldwide ?
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/after-pennsylvania-what-pope-francis-should-say-in-ireland
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/08/25/pope-francis-ireland-visit-sex-abuse-scandals/1096319002/
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/james-carroll-explains-why-priesthood-should-be-abolished/
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It doesn’t matter whether the predatory, illegal activity is hetero or homo sexual. A priest is sworn to Christ. The commandments were given to protect humanity from the consequences of acting alternatively. Adultery, buggery, sexual depravity and their consequences of dishonesty, violence, disease and disruption of peaceful society are shameful and to varying degrees illegal in parts of the world. Should the church reflect society or should we expect something different?
It is reported that men are entering seminary and the priesthood to gain access to sexual gratification-either via other men and/or young people.
How are these people able to get through the selection process? How are they able to “con” their way through human formation? Does the church actually approve of their presence and encourage them? Certainly seminarians seem to be encouraged to publish self promoting media projecting false public images.
Unless the Church (Bishops, Rectors, PPs, St Lukes) show, and quickly, that this activity is not acceptable in the Church and that it will be challenged and eradicated the pews will empty and the coffers will decline.
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@ 6:49 am
“It is reported that men are entering seminary and the priesthood to gain access to sexual gratification -either via other men and/or young people”.
What’s the story- how come the unmentionables ordain such characters.
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6.49
Wrong. A Romanist priest is not sworn to Christ, but, at ordination, to his bishop and to his successors (and thus to the institutional Romanist Church).
A Romanist priest, therefore, can only be as good, or as bad, as the institution he freely vowed or promised to serve.
And we all now know that the institutional Romanist Church is
‘corrupt, and riddled with corruption’.
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11.25: The repeat button is in, Magna. Have you no other narrative by way of sensible, rational, constructive and positive suggestions? Put simply, you are a repetitive, nasty individual. You delight in hatred of priests. You are a loser.
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10.40
Why thank-ee! 😇
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11:25 am
Bullseye. 😎 Again.
There’s the problem, along with theology of priesthood.
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I’ve just read “Goodbye, Good men” by Michael S. Rose which explains “how these people are able to get through the selction process.” It makes disturbing reading but explains a lot about how we came to be in this dire situation.
The problem with your final paragraph, however, is that, incredibly, the laity DO reflect society. In the absence of sound moral teaching from pulpits this past 50+ years, they see nothing wrong with having sexually active priests – of whichever “orientation”.
Mother Most Pure, pray for us…
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Bp Pat, this looks and sounds like that dried up old hag from Catholic Truth Scotland. Saints Sergius and Bacchus pray for us!
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I have actually had contact with the lady in question. We agreed to differ. She does want the church cleaned up though???
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Yes but Mr Editor, 60 years ago the bishops told us we were going to be told what the beliefs were going to be and we haven’t been, to this day. No prayer has been taught, no Holy Spirit belief, no discernment, no prudence. (Differences between dioceses were only cosmetic.) CCC is flimsy and inconsistent on initiation, maturing, psychology and ontology.
I wish you could publish a detailed review of what seminaries have undermined the education of the bishops themselves. There must be an interesting picture of how the rot from their own seminaries was spread by Bowen (who should have been asked lots of questions), Basil, Couve de Murville, now we have problems with Oakley, Marsden, Despard, Egan. Liverpool is one solid problem, most laity and clergy in a sick bloc.
I thought authorities lied because they were feeble minded and eccentric and it was fashionable to give them a long leash. 50 years later there doesn’t actually appear a reason for abolishing the English mass, after all (you read that correct, English mass). There doesn’t actually appear a reason for telling us there weren’t going to be beliefs any more.
No church authority respects an individual’s ability to use his own mind, any more (this was dwindling, in my dad’s day). The mindless tyranny is especially being foisted on us from abroad. Religion hasn’t been about relating or living, within memory – only fancy stuff and very flimsy.
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4.18 or Madam Editor as applicable!
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The “dried up old hag” – citing the Gospel of St John (18:23)
If there is something wrong in what I have said, point it out. Otherwise, why do you strike me?
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Get back to your own blog and that old closet queen RCAVictor, and Helen, the notorious Copenhagen Capon.
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Mgr Cremin of Maynooth said that “Goodbye, Good men” could have been written about that parody of a seminary, and Cremin was talking about the comparitively innocent 1980s. I’m glad old Cremin didn’t live to see the summer of love. That would have pained him immensely.
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I can empathise very much with any priest who may feel justifiably lost, confused, questioning, searching and reflecting deeply about priesthood and the Church in these times. It doesn’t help to read some comments on this blog as they are so vicious and nasty about priests, sometimes unjustly and almost an enticement to hatred. These comments do not help any priest who may now be at a crossroads in his life. These comments aside, probably the most horrendous contributory factor to almost destroy our credibility and to undermine our relevance is the clerical sex abuse scandals in all its dimensions, of which much has been written here. This alone shames me horribly. We do indeed live in a very dysfunctional church and priesthood and I believe most of us do our best in ministry. I have arrived at crossroads often and have survived through therapy and counselling. Only for this I may be elsewhere!! I am appalled that throughout this pandemic that I never received a phone call from any person with supposed responsibility for priests in our Diocese. I and many others struggled with the isolation, many, many sad and often difficult funerals, sick calls and trying to help people as best we could. My experience so far is one that makes me question now more than ever the relevance and meaning of priesthood. We are advised by the powers that be to prepare for and imagine a more creative way to minister to people, to get up and literally start all over again, all without any support, psychologically or spiritually or pastorally. How is a 68 or a 75 year old going to manage this expectation of vision and creativity? Most of the older, established parishes had many funerals during the pandemic, in our parish, 52 since Mid-March, with the majority of families requesting a mass to commemorate their loved one, which we will do. First communion and confirmation have still to be celebrated. No one in our Diocese has shown any concern or consideration of the impact of the past months on our morale, health or well-being. I say this not out of self pity – I have my therapist, T. God – but out of a profound sadness that we are adrift, leaderless and abandoned. I have been blessed mostly with fulfilment and contentment but of recent years and particularly since the end of March, I have lost faith in the Church and find priesthood a burden. But I will keep going and endeavour to minister as well as I can. I trust that these sincere comments from myself and similar comments from other priests will be respected and not entice haters to take delight in sneering, etc…..This is a very serious issue.
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9:26 am
An honest, open, sincere comment.
With respect, I suggest, remain grounded in the Lord, keep in touch with your therapist and develop your own support network with friends, allies or like-minded colleagues, either inside or outside the Church, regardless of age.
Suggestion: via the internet; for example take a look at Google meet.
Christians are called to love.
” I can do all things through Christ Jesus who gives me His strength”. Philippians 4:13
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I will not allow comments sneering at your contribution.
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A priest friend of mine with serious health issues has had no one check in with him to see how he is.
His only communication from his diocese was a notice saying his already small pension was being cut by 50%
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Pat all Irish priests have taken a big reduction in their income. It’s been well known these past few months. Perhaps you could give your friend free full board as you offered to others earlier.
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He has been and is always welcome here for long or short periods. I have also found other ways to help him more recently.
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9.26
I am not impressed by your post, the fact that you feel so hard done by.
Many single lay people, like me, are isolated, too; but I have a robust faith in God, and he provides me with the joy missing from my circumstances.
If you TRULY believed in God’s paternalistic care, you would not be in such low spirits and filled with self-pity.
Learn to pray (and to believe) the following : Jesus, I surrender myself to you. Take care of everything.
And I do mean ‘everything’, whether it be depression, anxiety, loneliness, anger, hatred, hunger, resentment, lack of faith and trust, and so on.
But don’t offer this prayer without the expectation that God will act, for then he cannot act.
God never says ‘no’, despite what some shamelessly say of him.
No one who approaches him TRUSTINGLY will ever find himself or herself leave with empty hands.
You’ll see… IF you believe. 😀
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Magna, dont be quite so severe. Every human being in any suffering situation deserves some empathy.
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11.47: Magna, I could have written your response. Most of us have come to accept your inability to have empathy for struggling human beings. I did say I wasn’t writing out of self-pity but of course your twisted mind doesn’t want to see nuances of experiences or the truth or integrity of others with a conscience, a real concern for and dedication for their ministry, even in times of immense challenges. You deliberately rewrite comments. I guessed you’d just be your usual, useless, pathetic and nasty person. Incidentally, in your crazy, drunken moments, you’ve used many a blasphemous and ugly expletive against God and even cursed his Holy Name. My faith is very deep and strong as is my prayer. Sadly, your dysfunctionality is descending into chaos. Get a grip, little bully.
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Single for many good reasons. #incel
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11:47 am
Nice one. 👍
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11.51
I don’t know whether the following story is apocryphal, but it’s instructive nevertheless.
Many years ago, a professor at Maynooth, attempting to demonstrate the bias in human nature to vice rather than virtue, held up in class a beautiful white damask table cloth. And it was indeed beautiful, but there was a smudge of indelible dark ink near one of the corners.
The professor asked every one of his students to comment on the cloth, and each did, mentioning only the smudge.
The professor, saddened by the responses, said: And not one of you noticed the spacious beautiful white damask around the smudge.
You saw the smudge, Pat.
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Pat, I thought you were not allowing sneering comments on that priest’s posting. MC has just been characteristically unpleasant.
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He may have been unpleasant but I didn’t think it was sneering. I also think the priest answered him well.
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11.52
You, too, saw only the smudge.
I suppose that is a major disadvantage of being a pastor, Romanist or otherwise: always on the look-out for sin, ordinarily other people’s. 😕
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Magna, you seem to regard all priests as smudges. None of them at all are in the white area?
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11.54
And none of which you know. 😆
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11.52
Oh, I’m sure God is man-enough to take the odd expletive, blasphemous and otherwise, from Magna: God knows 😃 he’s had to take so very much more from Romanist priests, and the (let’s be honest) less-than-Godly institution you all willingly serve and facilitate.
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One late night comment from you F*** God. That scared me.
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2.06
If you are judging me, Pat, then please don’t: you have never walked in my shoes.
I’m sure God appreciated my honesty with him that night; and I was being honest, because that is precisely how I felt about him at the time, and no other words would honestly have expressed my feeling.
I did tell him, some time later, that I was sorry, not through fear, but through genuine remorse at recalling his goodness to me. But I don’t suppose this will interest many of your fine Romanist readers, of whom one in particular enjoys raising the issue (only the first part of it, mind😕) again and again.
I hate it when people believe, for whatever neurotic or deceitful reason, that they have to butter up God in prayer: say nice things about him, like Judas’ empty lying gesture and word in Gethsemane; that is not relationship, but taking God for an almighty fool. Did I say it was also lying?
God knows what we want before we ask him; he knows also our state of mind and heart.
God prefers that we be honest with him in prayer. He asks, though, that we tell him we’re sorry when we overstep a boundary.
God has feelings, too.
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I’m not judging. Just wondering. In fact one time I was in Wales with what seemed to be an impossible problem I turned to him I swore at the tabernacle. My problem was solved within the hour. I went back to the tabernacle and apologised but went on to say with a smile ” If that what it takes to get you moving, you can expect to hear from.me again”.
I agree there is a difference between cold, clinical blasphemy and an emotional outburst in prayer.
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2.54
Your post, Pat, made me smile, but not cynically.
I, too, have spoken to God, more than once, in that vein: ‘If that is what it takes to get you moving…’ 😅
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4:49 pm
An opportunity for fasting and abstinence
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Oh, these poor, poor defenceless priests, such sad victims are they…
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Through the Canon Law right of clerics to be fed and housed for the rest of their lives, even when c/o bishop’s house, the Catholic Church has been operating a furlough scheme centuries before the Chancellor of the Exchequer thought of it.
Gorgeous, for example, can invoke such rights, just as Rory is doing. Every diocese has priests on indefinite gardening leave, lasting years, eg Alex Anderson in Derry. What other organisation does that.
Even in the Civil Service, gardening leave lasts, at most, two years, not till the end of a person’s life.
It’s a farce.
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12:21 pm
An old one, MC.
I think I came across it in a Carlo Carretto book, if I’m not mistaken.
Probably, adapted and recycled but makes a good point.
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2:49 pm
” Out of the depths I cry to you, O Lord ” Pslam: 130:1
MC, I can easily relate to your comment. God is big enough to put up with rants even when expletives are used. It is real, honest and genuine, from the heart. It’s indicative of an authentic, real, honest relationship with God. If God can tolerate the inhumanity inflicted ‘for the good of the church’, an honest rant with an apology to follow is more likely to please the Lord, rather than hypocritical meaningless platitudes.
” These people honour me with their lips but their hearts are far from Me”. See Matt : 15:8-9.
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3.16
Thank you.
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3.16: Such pseudo spiritual and psycho babble. Of course God is “big” enough to listen to our genuine, sincere, heartfelt prayer but your attempt at justifying Magna’s hate speech is risible. Magna, when sober, may, once in a blue moon, express a sincere prayer, but God is not a rag doll to throw about and disrespect by arrogance, hubris, hatred of others and self-delusional beliefs. You cannot promote bigotry, hatred and prejudice against any particular group and say you are of God. Did not Jesus say: “Love your enemies, pray for those who hate, bless those who curse you….” (Magna’s outrages have been blasphemous) He does not, obviously, in word or deed, follow this dictum of Jesus. Somehow, he has a greater capacity for hatred. God, it appears, is a handy footnote for Maggie when it suits him. God is not real in Magna’s life.
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8.15
I don’t promote hatred against any group, but I do express hatred of what some have willingly become, and of what they do.
If you were alluding to my opinion of Romanist priests and the morally fetid institution they freely serve (and doubtless you were), then know this: I make absolutely no apology for my detestation of these men and of this institution they serve. Neither of you is what Christ intended. You dishonour his name and his memory, and you blaspheme against his spirit with your abominable idols.
Away with the lot of you! 😠
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Most are uphill gardeners, anyway.
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Pat, I am surprised at you offering struggling priests free full board and help setting up again – but extremely pleasantly surprised.
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Father, I have been doing more or less that for 34 years. I dont see it as a virtue, but as a duty. I do the same for non priests too.
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We know what would happen if you had gorgeous in your house 😂😉
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I think you are thinking of what might happen Gorgeous if he were in your house.
Here, if he were here sincerely, and that’s a big if for me at present, he would be treated with respect.
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Would you do it for JP Lyttle, Stephen Wilson, Michael Byrne et al?
Not before you kicked them into the gutter some more!
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If they genuinely needed me I would help. They entered the “gutter” themselves.
A drunk man lay in the gutter with a pig. The pug said:
“You can tell a man who boozes by the company he chooses”.
And then the pig got up and walked away 😅
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3:42 pm
You are welcome, MC.
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8:15 pm
Logs and splinters….
Tell me, what kind of behaviour do bishops engage in, covering up for predatory priests who abuse children and vulnerable adults?
Are they following Jesus imperative regarding not to harm the little ones?
Ever hear of righteous indignation?
Another dictum of Jesus; ” what you do to the least you do to me”!
So what does raping children, covering it up, while pretending to be in ‘ persona Christi’ make complicit priests and bishops? What kind of God do these people represent? Jesus Christ of the Gospel ? Were they discrediting God, throwing his word about like a rag doll through arrogrance, hubris, self-delusional superior beliefs while inflicting spiritual duress and abuse? All rationalized for “the good of the church” or was it the good of the clerical caste?
The two great commandments; love God with all your heart, soul ,mind and strength and your NEIGHBOUR as yourself!! Do predatory priests and complicit bishops put it into practice?
There will be just desserts! God has NO favourites.
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12 28: Pat, you should leave the men mentioned alone for the moment….They are trying, I’m sure, to do their best. If I was subjected to years of blog harrassment and bullying, I’d imagine I’d be in a very bad place, emotionally, spiritually and mentally. I don’t believe, in Christian justice or love, that they deserve this on-going vendetta, even if they are responsible for their dilemmas.
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There may be some in the state you mention ???
For the worst of them criticism rolls off them like water off a ducks back as they are thoroughly cynical I’m afraid 😪
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The most perverted commenter, Magna, is asking us to TRUST in God!! Amazing – but quite breathtakingly deceiving and self deluding as this person is a hate freak, a nd constantly spews out hate speech. Anyone who says he/she loves God but who has hatred in their hearts is a LIAR, an anathema to the command of Jesus and are mockers of his SACRED MEMORY. So, Mags, toddle of to a School of Love and allow yourself the grace of healing and decent humanity. SERIOUSLY ALLOW GOD REACH YOU…
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11:58 am
Steady on. The world is a cloister, a school of love.
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12 34: ….But Magna has opted out of love of any kind…fact. He’s a hater.
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You know how, in the Zoo, there are signs that say “Do Not Feed The Animals”? Well the same advice should be taken about trolls on the internet.
Remember when Big Arlene said, “if you feed a crocodile it will only come back for more”? Trolls are the exact same.
This “Magna Carta”, whoever it is, is a complete wind up merchant. It is offensive and outrageous to get a reaction.
Do yourselves all a favour and stop “feeding” it. Try ignoring it instead. Stop wasting your batteries. 🙂
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2:45
Don’t be silly.
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2:12 pm
Speaking of the Zoo, are you not in a form of clerical confinement, duty bound to your ordinary, depending on him for everything. Are you compromised?
Does that explain the deafening silence on the ordinaries, the unmentionables.
You wouldn’t want to be a clerical troll…would you! The clerical cardinal sin.
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2.45
Magna hates what is inherently hateful. Yes?😕
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@11:58 so after your shouty insulting abusive comment are you going to try to tell us you don’t hate Magna?
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Arnie for pope hi The Church is no different to any other service provider when it comes to this stuff. Less tongue waggin and more pro active working hi.
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1:52 PM
Good evening hi fly.
Begorra fly robo pope the great terminator.
Ah, now, you would think the Church is no different
but self service is a compulsive habit with a canon for every occasion.
Years of hot air but going nowhere fast. Movement takes centuries to save face.
May the Force be with you.+
Bye bye fly hi.
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1 31: Pat, you need to learn how to differentiate between unpleasantness and ridicule. You encourage this Magna Trollope for all the wrong reasons, primarily because he keeps your blog going!! Quid pro quo….as always.
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Actually you wouldn’t be immediately fired, in reality you would probably be suspended pending investigation and fired if you were found to have done those things.
You will also remember how bishops will say priests lie to them. Here we hit the obstacle of priests not being employees in civil law – if they were they would have a contract of employment which ironically would make it easier to fire them – even if there is no evidence of what they are claimed to have done employers will have a clause in their contract about bringing the business into disrepute or they will find another pretext to get rid of someone.
It’s not all a bed of roses outside the feudal system!
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James Carroll is advocating the priesthood as it and understood has to be abolished.
You guys and your bishops need to come back down to earth.
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Can we expect a blog on the Leeds lads soon? They all deleted social media accounts. Something to hide boys?
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Pat
Did you report Marsden to his order?
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For what?
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For claiming to be a heterosexual priest.
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He could also be… well, let’s just say, one of them, Bp Pat.
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He only used an “arguable” interpretation of the nonsensical CCC. That he and Oakley should rather stop trying, will strike them as beside the point.
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I learned very quickly to be wary of the idea of perseverance, at least as it is used by religious, when it means carrying on as you are regardless of what happens.
It is that idea which gets people to their sixties, say, and dependent on an institution. It is merely another way the institution gets loyalty and we should always look who benefits from loyalty.
I am going to be frank and say that any priest who is shocked or even slightly surprised at an absence of care for the clergy in a pandemic, hasn’t been paying attention to the newspaper for the past three decades.
The institution you are servants of is happy to allow child abuse and so why are you expecting any better? And don’t come that serving Christ crap with me while you’re feeling sorry for themselves. The mere fact you try to justify your ongoing subservience to the institution shows that you are all in denial about what it is about.
Perhaps you all need to be treated like dirt by your bishops to begin to get a tiny inkling of what your bishops will happily do to people. Not of being fucked up the arse, obviously, you would enjoy that far too much.
Pat – I know you might want to remove bits of this.
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Why would I remove anything?
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Pat. My brother Priest sent you a ‘top 10’ of the sexual antics of Scottish clergy earlier and you have not published it. It is all completely true, 8 of them are well known about via google? Are our Lords and Masters paying you hush money?
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No. I’m saving it for a blog in the next say or two.
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In relation to the issues surrounding the Liverpool debacle, I must say that I find it extremely concerning that a District Judge of the Liverpool County Court has allowed a ‘Gagging’ Order remain in place, especially given the evidence which was placed before him on the bench.
There is clearly criminal activity which has been highlighted and it is clear from the evidence the Order should have been lifted.
I would strongly advise this be brought before an open court by whatever means possible.
For the simple fact the judge or authorities have not taken any action whatsoever is indicative of foul play. You are very sensible in your reservations in submitting all recordings and video evidence.
This will be your life line.
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https://youtu.be/XEqqcaWmj8U
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Pat have you ever spoken in person to a Maynooth Survivor. Please Pat share how you emotional felt during this conversation and please keep his identity secret, just share the conversation experience.
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