Sarah Mac Donald Irish Independent
June 12 2020
A third of staff working for the archdiocese of Dublin are to lose their jobs as it grapples with the financial cost of the Covid-19 pandemic.
The Irish Independent has learned the diocese, Ireland’s largest, is working on details of a voluntary redundancy scheme which it will offer its 82 staff.
A spokesperson for Archbishop Diarmuid Martin confirmed the proposed job cuts and said a restructuring process is expected to take some months to complete. “Staffing levels could be reduced by one third,” she said.
That would mean job losses for as many as 28 of the 82 staff employed by the diocese.
Staff are to be offered support and advice mechanisms which will be paid for by the diocese.
The jobs affected are believed to be in the areas of parish pastoral workers, finance, human resources, communications and the diocese’s chancery office.
One Dublin priest who wished to remain anonymous, told the Irish Independent he was “gutted” for the diocese’s pastoral staff with whom he has worked. “We could not have got through the pandemic without our lay parish colleagues and then just when parishes are about to reopen, our diocese chooses to do this,” he said.
The diocese said that like many organisations it is facing increasing financial difficulties as a result of the pandemic and the closure of churches for public worship for almost three months.
The current crisis had compounded the sustained fall in financial support in Dublin for over a decade as congregations have become smaller, the diocese said.
Dr Martin’s office told the Irish Independent that the closure of churches for Masses since March had seen support for Share, the second collection at Masses, drop by 80pc between March and May this year compared with the same period last year.
The Share collection is used to support poorer parishes and Central Services in the diocese.
Last month, Archbishop Martin announced that priests in Dublin had agreed to a 25pc cut to their incomes.
“A restructuring strategy to address this urgent situation is under way in an effort to reduce costs and plan for a sustainable future,” the diocese stated.
The spokesperson said the voluntary redundancy scheme is part of an overall restructuring plan but stressed it would be attentive to the needs of all involved.
PAT SAYS
This, of course, is very bad news for the 28 people who will lose their jobs and for their families.
Hopefully they will get as generous a redundancy payment as DM and his associates can muster.
Hopefully they will find new jobs asap.
But, I feel this downsizing is a thing the RCC are going to have to get used to.
Fewer people attending church.
Fewer vocations.
Fewer priests available.
Less and less money coming in.
Personally, I view this decline as a very good thing and in fact the work of the Holy Spirit.
The RCC has become an evil organisation and empire.
It will shrink and shrink and in time have as much influence, hopefully as a local social club.
I have never lost my faith in Jesus thank God.
But I have lost all faith in the RCC.
That second faith was pulverised out of me by the hideous priests and bishops I have met over the past 44 years.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
223 replies on “DIARMUID MARTIN MAKES A THIRD OF DIOCESAN LAY STAFF REDUNDANT”
a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders. I wish him well in retirement. As a retiree, I found it very difficult in the first few months. I had been used to getting up at 6am and getting home by 6pm. He may also find it difficult. However, he has done a lot of work behind the scenes and he is a gentle soul and deserves a rest, as we all do. I’ve just had my grandchildren come over in the past 2 days – all 16 of them. I’m a very proud grandfather and they are all doing so well in life, thanks be to God and his blessed mother. I hope you are all doing well in these strange times. I have tuned into your masses a couple of times, Bishop Pat. here’s hoping the sun continues to shine on us.
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Some dioceses have cut money from their priests and very quietly. Shameful. It’s a painful lesson to younger clergy how they will be treated in the future.
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They should get out while they can. There are other things they can do. They can serve the Gospel in other ways without being shackled to a medieval, feudal, institution……
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Nicely put@ 7:50. A wise comment, but will they heed your wisdom, or stay trapped until it’s too late.
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Many of them enjoy being “slaves”.
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10.23
I should have thought ‘enjoy making slaves of others’ through their ontological superiority, their link to so-called ‘Apostolic Succession’, and their each being an ‘alter Christus’. 😕
Useless, the lot of them.
And aren’t we all now awakening to that rudimentary fact? 😅
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11.46 Don’t be fooled most Irish Clergy are well looked after even the C/O.
The Lay Faithful are Very Good to the Clergy and Seminarians on placement in Parishes. I
In Scotland the Clergy are not salaried like the Irish Clergy. (usually Mass Stipends keep them going)
Likewise in England and Wales not all Salaried.
Don’t forget most Parishes and Diocesan Offices lay staff can be between 15K and 125K plus pension.
Secretaries, PA, Admin, Safeguarding, HR, Communications, Property Finance to name a few.
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The high cost of the Maynooth redress scheme.
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what the average payment per survivor
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Mad obsessive alert.
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11.02 mad obsessive mad obsessive alert alert.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxXwAgkhWQ
Veni Sancte Spiritus
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Sure in a game of Chess the pawns are the first to go. 25% pay cut !!!!? The church is an organization not primarily a following of Jesus any more. Not just RC but perhaps all denominations and religions hi
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Sure in a game of Chess the pawns are the first to go. 25% pay cut !!!!? The church is an organization not primarily a following of Jesus any more. Not just RC but perhaps all denominations and religions hi
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7:35 AM
Good Afternoon hi fly.
Beggora fly there are more pawns on the board than bishops.
Money mutiny ahoy. Checkmate with the queen.
‘Tis not called organised religion for nathin.
Jesus was put in a box.
‘Tis easy for em all to talk the talk.
The Good Samaritan chose not to walk on by.
May the Force be with you.+
Bye bye fly hi.
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According to the Irish Catholic newspaper the Irish Seminary in Rome will close for one year.
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I stated this last week and again yesterday they must have got it from this blog or maybe DM communications team
Again we need to be realistic Ireland has 19 Seminarians according to Bishop Farrell so it is not rocket science that we do not need Maynooth and Irish college.
So do you see the pattern of worry.
Ireland needs New Strong Leadership and a Papal Nuncio who informs Rome the Facts why the Papal Nuncio allowed an Auxiliary Bishop for Armagh with 60 parishes is shocking.
What is Eammon Martin doing chasing a Red Beretta.
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10:29
Time to throw in the towel in the event
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Jim talking rubbish when he is barely literate.
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Who will manage the wedding business and da villa guest house
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“Hopefully they will get as generous a redundancy payment as DM, and his associates can muster.”
Get real, Bp Pat, they’ll just receive the minimum the law says on redundancy payments. For example, in ROI two weeks’ pay for every year of service {over the age of 16) plus one additional week’s pay. Payment is subject to a limit of €600 per week, so someone with twenty-five years services could receive €30,600.00.
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I imagine the workers who have been… well, let’s just say, let go, will be replaced in time with volunteers.
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Some of the younger priests need to be brought back down to earth. No rent, mortgage or utility bills. Why are they priests again? It is a priestly vocation, not a job. They should be counting souls, not money.
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7.53
Have you been hibernating?
The institutional Romanist Church and her parasitical priests don’t give a damn about souls.
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Magna, I agree with you in sorts,
but I was making a specific point about our younger priests.
Come on, dear!
My pp lives a very modest life and is not a parasite, this I know.
There are good ones in that respect.
However, the good priest/Silencium phenomenom is beyond hope!
We know CSAS had ever even heard of the vulnerable adult from Liverpool who was viciously abused. Now that is far worse than parasiticus – it is cancerous.
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10.44
Oh, dear! Another PP groupie.😲
When did your PP last openly, publicly, challenge the massive and systemic corruption in the Romanist Church?
When did he last refuse to obey an unjust, unchristian order from his bishop?
Don’t bother answering: the questions are rhetorical. 😕
You’re defending a moral coward…by definition. And moral cowards’ primary interest isn’t the welfare of souls, but the pretense of such.
Grow up. 😩
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3.23, round here I believe parish clergy don’t get unjust orders from our nearest bishop or (probably) his predecessor. As for safeguarding they know the diocesan and parish officers are conducting background checks. Safeguarding as all of our jobs, as part of our co-pastoring, and towards bishops and seminarians as well as under 16s, is a too new concept (in fact too old more likely). You need more youngness of heart, Carta.
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“And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder
One of the four beasts saying,
‘Come and see.’ and I saw, and behold a white horse”
There’s a boy goin’ ’round takin’ names
And he decides who to free and who to blame…
Everybody will be treated all the same at IICSA…! Bishops, priests an lay!
There’ll be a golden ladder reachin’ down
When the boy comes around
The hairs on your arm will stand up…
At the terror in each sip and in each sup…
Will you partake of that last offered cup…
Or disappear into the potter’s ground…?
When the boy comes around
Hear the trumpets hear the pipers…!
One Hundred Million Angels Singin’
Multitudes are marchin’ to the big kettledrum…
Voices callin’, voices cryin…’
Some are born and some are dyin…’
It’s Alpha and Omega’s kingdom come, baby…!
And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree…
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn tree…
It’s hard for thee to kick against the pricks…
Till armageddon no shalam, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise cleric will bow down before the throne…
And at His feet they’ll cast their golden crowns…
When the boy comes around
Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still…!
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still…!
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still…..!
Listen to the words long written down…!
When the boy comes around
Hear the trumpets hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singin’
Multitudes are marchin’ to the big kettledrum…
Voices callin’, voices cryin’
Some are born and some are dyin’
It’s Alpha and Omega’s kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn trees
It’s hard for thee to kick against the prick
In measured hundredweight and penny pound
When the boy comes around
… “And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts…
And I looked, and behold a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with him…”
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Another trip … 🙄
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A very big trip indeed for those who may have broken the law ☠🙈🙉🙊☠
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10:06AM
I would give you a thouroughly good shaming if I knew who you where, but your evil ArchCleric and his abuse enabling whore of Babylon, and others, will suffice very nicely! Thank you Lord for your wonderful providence.
Have a wonderful day! 😘 x x x
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10:44
He’s not alone.
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The global economy is tanking due to the grotesquely disproportionate response to a bad flu with a mortality rate of 0.06%. No diocese is immune from the harsh economic realities to be faced soon by those who screamed for lockdown and have been enjoying their furlough superdole.
Why does Dublin diocese need 82 lay staff? What do they do, what have they achieved? Before Vatican II the Dublin churches were packed, new ones were opening and they put an extension onto Clonliffe, and the only lay staff were housekeepers.
Then the renewal and New Pentecost started, lol.
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What do they do well Admin officers, Secretaries, PA ‘s, Finance, HR, Communications, Catechists, Caretakers, Facilities Officers.
It has got out of control in some dioceses.
All Paid between 15K and 125K
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Regarding the popular Cardiff Oratorian’s response to urgent pastoral need of the young Traveller couple to marry, I could not have put it better than this:
“We asked the archbishop if he was considering disciplining Fr. Jones, given Pope Francis’ commission to his priests to care for the most vulnerable; the understanding that the Sabbath was made for man and not the other way around; the particular situation of the Traveller community; and the widespread violations of the lockdown by government ministers, officials and now the Black Lives Matter crowds.”
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What you should know, is that this said priest, is an arrogant man. Archbishop Stack should get shot of him. Trouble is … the Oratorians are quite happy he’s not their problem any more.
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I have never heard of this priest. And, I am no priest defender.
As one who has worked with the Travelling Community for 40 years now I can attest that they are capable of putting you under massive emotional pressure to solve their difficulty.
They have a massive fear of a child, especially a daughter “living in sin”.
I dont know the circumstances of this case. But the priest should have insisted on his NO.
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Curiouser and curiouser. The Cardiff Oratory guy has been in an out of more Oratories than Jim has been in and out of post offices.
The priest was twice asked to leave the Birmingham Oratory and took his revenge when he was on the Vatican visitation which saw three Brum Cong Orats get the boot, including the Provost who had an intense yet non-physical friendship with a handsome 20-year-old aspirant.
The English Catholics are a funny lot. He is traddy ex-priest Edmund Adamus doxxing Fr Jones to Damien Thompson via Ruth Dudley Edwards.
https://twitter.com/EdmundPAdamus/status/1271817665527664640?s=19
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10.57 if you offer to marry them without throwing in “holy communion” that will sort out if they are sincere or not.
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It sounds like their online appeals to set-up monthly standing orders has not been as successful as they may have hoped.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q67ACvV_v-s
Mr.Magoo Ending Animation
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Will +Amy Turtle also be announcing redundancies in the coming weeks, Bp Pat? I wonder.
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9:06
Get Jim on the blower, quick!
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I doubt any cutbacks and economies imposed by +Dr Turtle will affect Fr Sugar Ray Kelly, not with her singing career, and friends she can always call upon to support her at a moments notice.
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11:23. Go busking incognito!
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This may be an opportunity to review the whole business of how priests are ’employed’ and ‘paid’. By and large, whatever system a diocese uses, it will be pretty grey and obfuscated, deliberately so that the system is pretty unaccountable and indecipherable. By and large this is to the advantage of the clergy. What is mine ? What is the parish’s ? Who should pay for this ? Who should pay for that ? There are so many things that properly belong to the responsibility and economy of the priest that will get paid for by the parish, quietly and unaccountably. So, by and large, I do not have much sympathy with the clergy. These days I do not see poor or impoverished clergy. Rather, you see men who live very nicely, thank you, drive nice cars, go on nice holidays, can afford nice clothes and expensive hobbies. Much better would a nationally agreed level of salary on which all taxes are paid, and then the priest provides for everything he needs for his own life, including housing, heating, lighting etc. Just like the rest of us. Where should it be set ? Perhaps the level of a teacher ? But, with a percentage taken off, because remember these men are required to be single and don’t need to provided for a family. Seems fair to me. Clearcut and transparent.
As to the diocesan layworkers, who by and large will have been paid at a modest level, the expectation always being with Church employment that you are prepared to do the work for less than the going rate, there should be careful application of the laws governing redundancy afforded by the law so that they are not cheated or fooled out of what they are entitled. No doubt the Church will take the opportunity to turn these positions in to ‘voluntary’ roles, just like the Church of England now fills its clergy ranks with non-stipendiary or self-supporting ministers
Watch this space, and make sure, + Pat, that the Church is held to account, because we know from past experience that in spite of what they say in public they will be up to all sorts of tricks behind the scenes to absolve themselves of the responsibilities and obligations that they have towards their lay employees. We don’t trust them anymore on so many things, and I see no reason to trust them on this.
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Never heard of paragraphs?
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@ 10.05 a.m Have you ever heard of manners ?
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Never heard of eyes? They end after:
– that
– hobbies
– transparent
– ministers.
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9.23 I take it your a lapsed Catholic if one at all.
The parish Priest is only the Chairperson / President things have moved on it is the Parish finance committee that over rules the finances in a parish and after a certain level it has to go to the diocesan finance committee.
the days of the PP in control of finance is well gone some clergy cannot get a bean out of some committees.
The people who will be made redundant remember it is voluntary redundancy just now will be looked after.
This is very difficult for any Bishop to do as he knows everyone involved and their families or the PP will.
Also the Government and the Charity regulators are always checking things.
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Is the Maynooth redress scheme based on the level of abuse or how many years in Maynooth. Pat do you know.
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9:26
Delusional.
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9:26
Extent of trauma in terms of damage on all levels???
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9:26
An inquiry into abuses in all Irish seminaries needs to take place.
Monies from the sale of whatever sold in Maynooth can be used to finance such an inquiry.
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The rape, drug abuse and the beatings by his Network.
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Ex Maynooth Sem alert
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11:46am You were in Maynooth as well
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What’s sad about this comment is the fact that an individual can’t move on. It is not abuse to tell someone that they were unsuitable, even if it happened to be close to their ordination before they were told.
Young men come to Maynooth in all sincerity but in many cases are just not mature enough to make the commitment at that stage in their lives.
Rather than repeating comments on here which have no basis in reality such people should do something constructive with themselves and so be free to revisit their discernment later on.
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3:53 pm
You are mischievously making major assumptions. The abuse was telling people they were ‘unsuitable’, even if close to ordination. Comments here have no basis in reality…
Really?
I wonder why you make such assumptions or if you know more…?
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3.53 this is mischievous because one-sided beyond a point. Those impacted by a sort of underground railroad have garnered insights into behaviours that should have had more (sometimes different) students suspended than those who were.
Then the quality of oversight of a proportion of faculty in this international chain of seminaries needs enhancing. Likewise the extent of discernment among VDs.
It’s true God probably won’t have a use for new clergy but it is Rome that is still insisting that becoming one is going to be a particularly good way to be a christian.
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Thank You to the first blogger for his compliments to DM
The history DM will leave is his attack on the clergy that abused victims so his safeguarding will be his good point.
Sadly as everyone knows although he had two assistants there was bad feeling so it really was a challenge for him.
However because he got heavily involved in Safeguarding it took over.
He should have tackled the far too many parishes and some where or are dependant on the second collection to survive.
At least he is up front before he retires many many other dioceses have far too many parishes but the Bishops do not have the bottle to close them more so those retiring in the next five years.
Rome has said the number of diocese is far too many as well but the Bishops seem to be ignoring this.
Sadly we do not need like to see redundancy however some parishes and dioceses have far too many lay workers.
It is a peoples Church so let them come forward and assist THIER Parishes.
Some parishes maybe not be able to reopen as they lack volunteers and okay some parishes can pay professional cleaners but the income is not there.
So DM retirement will not be happening till the Autumn now and maybe next years as he does not want to leave this situation unsolved.
And the New Archbishop may not be getting two auxiliaries however who knows how Eamon martin got an Auxiliary and he has a big lay team as well.
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Jim S seems to be all over this blog the last couple of weeks. Where has he come from ? He seems to have many fingers in many pies. He gets unusually hot under the collar when we talk about Littletwat and his antics. How many Jim Ss are there ? I sense that there may well be more than one.
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No. There is only one. He occasionally telephones me.
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He said he was a gay Irishman living in Scotland with a university degree and who defended his interest in the sex lives of others by claiming he was getting enough sex thank you. His motivation was other than prurience, according to himself.
Presumably he has shares in An Post and Royal Mail as he urges people to write to bishops, nuncios, archbishops, patriarchs, cardinals and popes.
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He did try religious life for a short time.
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9:58
It’s a peoples church when convenient.
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I’m surprised Jim S you didn’t hear an appointment to Dromore will be made soon. It’s not being tagged on to Armagh after all.
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Strangely enough I had this discussion with Bishop Pat the other night about this appointment.
Only two weeks to go then Vatican goes into recess till early September unless Pope Francis changes it because of the lockdown for past few months.
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Is Tim Bartlett in with a shout?
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Not true.
An appointment won’t be made to Dromore for years, if ever – for obvious reasons.
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9:58
According to Jim,
Word from the inside……
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11:31
Layman?
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Yes.
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3:54
Ask Jim, Tim!
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4.44pm Alert – sits on the Congregation for Bishops and knoweth all things about Dromore
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I personally do not think there will be aa appointment to Dromore or Kilmore and maybe Ferns as well as Bishop Brannan is 75 this weeks and they are all small dioceses.
Once the Papal Nuncio wakes up we will all know he has not been heard of since the appointment of announcing Bishop Larry Duffy.
Don’t be surprised if the new Archbishop of Dublin and the two Auxiliaries get named on the same day.
And Bishop Tighe really has the PR skills and Organisational skills that is needed for Dublin.
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4.44 Father sorry to disappoint you I have never been to the Holy See yet !!!!!
You have me painted totally the opposite to me in your dreams I am not in any away what you think in Nationality, sexual or whatever other dreams you have about me as you seem to stalk me every day.
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Elsie tried to cut the pension payments to her clergy and had such a big backlash that she made a u turn.
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@10.19am The minx
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Oh, she’ll try again, trust me. Just biding her time. Clever little one, that Elsie.
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10.31am Spot on. That is an Elsie tactic alright. Bitch! She would rather the retired clergy were dead as they are no use to her anymore. All her favoured retired buddies live in expensive flats around the corner from her and owned by the Archdiocese in SW1 – one of the most expensive postcodes in London
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She’s not that clever if she can’t keep her house in order 😂😂
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Feudal patronage is alive and kicking still in Westminster.
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Where’s his mate Wilcox these days ?
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Vinny was enraged that this blog leaked his intentions to cut clergy pensions. By the time he was on the verge of making a decision the phone at Ambrosden Avenue was red hot with rage from clergy. At a meeting of the Arch’s Council at the time he referred to Buckley as “that man again”.
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10:34
That thorn….😅
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Them men again…. hehehe
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And long may + Pat continue being a thorn in + Nichols’ side. Keep him on his toes. The clergy probably knew that they were going to be made the scapegoats and made to sacrifice so that the Archdiocese could protect and maintain its assets. + Vinnie just didn’t want to spend out of what the Archdiocese has salted away in order to look after his clergy during this current crisis. He would happily throw the clergy to the wolves. He has little time for his clergy. His clergy have little time for him, knowing that he is a vain, ambitious, self-interested man who only has time for people when they are useful to him, then drops them. Contemptuous man.
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11:37
Who is feeding Jim, or is Jim trawling every diocesan website in Britain and Ireland.!!!
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I think Jim is a clerical “twitcher” who surfs the web and rings bishops etc. Some of them seem to talk to him.
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According to he himself two days ago, he is a fixer / minder / propagandist for the Jesuits (which is just as much a diseased Spanish religion as any other diseased Spanish religion).
Just because one didn’t continue “in” a “religious order” and is a “layman”, doesn’t mean anything.
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Some dioceses I hear have already cut pension payments. Elsie maybe waiting until the dust settles. Manipulative is his forte
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It would be good to know how much + Nichols has got stashed away in his personal accounts ? I bet there’s a nice comfortable nest egg there just waiting for his retirement. He will not go short, I’m sure. He won’t be living on the pension alone, I assure you.
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He’s already got his eye on the Chiswick house where CMOC lived out is retirement. And there will be plenty of spare space for rooms in the VEC when he’s in Rome. I bet he’s desperate for the lockdown to be over and to get on a business class flight to Rome through the VIP terminal at Heathrow. Nice life if you can get it.
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Nichols doesn’t stay at the VEC very much. He prefers the Domus Sanctae Marthae being a Cardinal if you please. He does like to dine well outside the confines of the Vatican State however in the restaurant where most Vatican staff and Seminarians dine
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Ristorante Abruzzi?
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He’s driven to the steps of the plane and nerd Welby and the Chief Rabbi get the same treatment.
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He has his eye on nowhere as he will be well looked after by the Church.
Another 2 years as Archbishop of Westminster then.
And Five years as Cardinal for England and Wales.
He will likely see the appointments to Wales and Liverpool before he retires.
No Health Issues as yet.
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11:44
God love him. He needs to twitch off!
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I certainly do not twitch I get a very good salary Thank You.
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12.15 ideal type for it.
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All clergy should try and save something for their retirement. Hard though it may be. Some are lucky and will inherit from family, others might have reasonably well paid chaplaincy jobs and if serving long enough perhaps even a pension. Any of these things gives a priest a certain amount of independence, and that means they have options. Relying on the paternalistic beneficence of a bishop is tricky, and it’s all done on patronage and whether your face fits. Some spin this as being reliant on the father / bishop to whom you make a promise of obedience and try to spiritualise it. The reality is, that’s rather naive. As many clergy find out to their cost too late. The Lord looks after those who look after themselves. Would you trust your future to the likes of + Nichols ?
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12:15
As I suspected.
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Or don’t give away their properties when “persuaded” to (by “lay” people of course).
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CAHAL DALY AND INCOME
In 1982 CD told us clergy of D&C that he and his two auxiliaries needed £ 120,000 to run their operation.
What would that be nearly 40 years later?
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Pat,
In 1982 there were no auxiliaries in D&C.
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Sorry. Typo. 1983.
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@11.47am A very accurate analysis of Nichols. It’s disgusting that the first people he chose to punish were sick and retired clergy. You couldn’t sink any lower. He told a retired religious priest in the East End to his face to get out of a Presbytery forcing the man to find alternative accommodation – he died soon after. Ruthless!!
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Was that retired elderly priest a Fr Rose by any chance?
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Yes
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12.04 You know this is not accurate and will be upsetting to the sick and retired or Westminster.
There are clergy who’s role is to look after the sick and retired clergy it certainly is not Cardinal Nichols duty
And furthermore Religious are responsible to the Religious community they belong to not the Archdiocese.
Religious community are given income from the diocese that they serve it.
And at the end of the day it is the Trustee’s that see to diocesan property.
You all seem to be living in a Church or the 70’s/80’s not in 2020.
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As you wittle on about accuracy Jim S tell us accurately the name of the nun in charge of sick and retired in Westminster? Do you know? Who are the trustees? You are such a gobshite making it up as you go along. You don’t even know anything about the deceased religious priest that Elsie scolded. You are becoming a total laughing stock every time you post.
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Nicholl’s retired clergy are under the care of a not so pleasant old nun.
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Jim S you are such a fool. Nichols is the retired priests Ordinary and has a duty of care.
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6.47 exactly.
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The most ridiculous thing about this is that of these two Sacraments –
Matrimony is ministered between the husband and wife if not consummated deemed not to have happened.
Literally anyone can baptise in emergency .
Father needs to pull himself together.
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12:29
Jim is a paid apologist for the hierarchy. He’ll be off on recess shortly.
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Strong argument – and it doesn’t even stop there. Testifying to “consummation” is private so the couple don’t morally need clergy permission to be “josephite” (though travellers probably wouldn’t).
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How are ye girls? Come here and tell me the craic – how’s Brian D’Arcy, Nathan (pretend Irishman) Carter, Stephen Nolan and our wee Daniel O’Donnell getting on hi?
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Funny you mention them names @12.10pm. Nolan a few weeks ago on his tv show had Nathan and Daniel on wishing D’Arcy a happy 75th Birthday. Eamonn Holmes got in on the act too.
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Nathan was on tv last night with his brother who conveyed to the entire nation that Nathan farts at least every 15 minutes!
🤢💩😷
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Nathan’s stranded in Fermanagh because of the corona.
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Poor wee Nathan. Poor wee Daniel, poor wee Brian (it’s cool not to refer to me as Fr) D’Arcy and poor wee biggest gob in the country (sorry show in the country).
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11.57am Yes his mate Wilcox indeed. Tony used to host Elsie on a boat at Henley-on-Thames when he was PP there. They were joined by bonkers boris who was MP there at a time. Champagne and private catering. Poor Tony Wilcoc was banished to Henley after a major bust up and blazing row with Archbishop Maurice Couve. You couldn’t be more far removed from Birmingham than in Henley.
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Well there are worse places to be banished to than Henley, and as Father Wilcox is a member the Leander Club, I would have thought Maurice did him a favour – and would himself have enjoyed a trip down the river with Boris. Nothing to complain about there.
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Maurice on the other hand didn’t have to look at Wilcox’s mug or cross his path too often down in Henley. There are worse places like Aston etc for sure but it was all politics and bitter sweet with our Couve. He made you think he was doing you a favour but had knives in your back.
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1:57 pm
I don’t mean you personally, Pat.
There is something incredibly obscene about this RCC collared boys club.
It seems to me to be the antithesis of the gospel.
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It’s certainly that!
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Pat @12.57pm The very one. I’m surprised you knew that. A personal favourite of Dolan New York, Napiet Durban and Sarah.
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I went there with a priest friend in March 2019. Lovely spot. Was treated like a king 😁
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1:25 pm
Is it not obscene, that bishops, archbishops, nuncios, and cardinals, can wine and dine in fancy Roman restaurants, courtesy of finances from the laity. Meanwhile, these people oversee dioceses who covered up abuse and moved clerical abusers who ruined lives. Many probably currently cover up for criminal clerics.
These same people withhold justice, accountability and truth to survivors. Many abused people are prematurely in their graves. Many young men who entered seminaries with noble intentions also abused or had their lives ruined. It is disgusting.
What it has to do with Jesus Christ and His Gospel is beyond me.
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Abruzzi is not that fancy. But very Italian in the best ways. My friend and I were on holiday. My diocese did not pay for me 😄
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Ristorante Abruzzi?
Added pic on bottom of blog of me there in March 2019
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That’s a very good picture of you Pat. What was in those booze bottles? Did you bump into Elsie lol.
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12.39 Cardinal Vincent is NOT in Rome that often he is only on one Congregation that being the Congregation of Bishops who appoints Archbishop and Bishop all over the World.
he is very busy as chairman of the Bishops Conference of England and Wales and also has a large Archdioceses and an Auxiliary Bishop short.
So he is mostly at Archbishops house.
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It was Sambucca. The waiter brought the prelate and his “secretary” a bottle each 😇
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1:50 pm
Any more up market Roman cleric haunts ? Where to go clubbing? Where the ‘fun’ bars?
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I haven’t a clue. No interest.
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Would you recommend it Pat. Hoping to be in Rome later in the year.
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Absolutely. It’s simple pure Italian cooking.
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Pat, are we talking about the same place? Abruzzi? Me and a Seminarian friend went thete last year just to see if wr could spot a bit of purple or scarlet. We were in civvies. The staff were very rude and treated us like something on the end of their shoe (loads of dog muck in Rome). The elderly chap on the door was horrible to us. We saw some cleric coming in and they were all over him like a rash. Will not be going back there in a hurry. Shysters
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Oh Dear! The night I was there some tables were filled with American tourists in jean’s and shorts and were being well looked after.
But I think you are right. Clerics get preferential treatment and those with a hint of purple or ecclesiastical jewellery are fawned over.
For instance, the tourists to our left got a small shot glass of Sambucca. We were given a bottle each of Sambucca and Grappa.
It was a bit of crack for an ecclesiastical leper like yours truly 👾
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Do not take my word on it if you have not booked for Rome 2020 leave it till 2021.
As Covid 19 is expected to come back mixed in with the flu.
That’s why Boris is desperate to get the economy up to get some money in.
And as it was said someone single or married on furlough is approximately up to £625.00 per week but if on Universal credit then I think it is something like £85.00 per week.
It is not about the virus now it is about the economy.
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Pat that’s one of the best photographs of you. You seem happy and very relaxed. Trust you to go to that eating house where the Vatican knobs eat.
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2:38
Jim, will take a run and twitch! Are you on overtime?
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And it wasn’t deliberate 👿
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Pat @3.33pm. Lol, does that actually still happen about special treatment in Roman restaurants, I thought that had died out. You are a rogue Pat who gets about.
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The night I arrived all the staff ran out, kissed my ring and gave me my choice of any table on the house.
They would have been privileged to polish my shoes that night had I even given the slightest inclination I would like that.
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Was that the same time Pope Francis gave instructions to have you detained once you stepped your shoe over the line into Vatican territory. I suppose not many can claim they were effectively a prisoner of the Pope. They say Vin Nichols had a hand in it. He knew you were going to be there.
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Same week.
Yes, for three hours I was a prisoner of the Papacy.
I should be proud of that.
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4.04
Better than being a prisoner of the Romanist Church and her jailer priests.
Look on the bright side: you were, eventually, able to walk away, triumphant, with your dignity intact.
What have the priests of that filthy, corrupt institution? Nothing, but the tattered clothes of moral shame.
These Cinderellas won’t be going to any eschatological ball: they’ll be with their father, their REAL father. 👹
Isn’t it wonderful what is now happening to these ‘Christmen’? 😅
To these pimps for the Roman Strumpet? 😕
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Not many can claim that Pat. Have you dined out on that experience and story.
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Yes and I have better one for you in tomorrow’s blog
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4:04
Can you sue for false imprisonment?
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Nichols laughed when he heard you were detained. Philip Whitmore rang him to convey the news. Whitmore was Vin’s spy when he worked at the Congregation for Bishops. Vinny rewarded him with Rector of the VEC. Jobs for the boys, face fits etc.
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I might have the last laugh yet 😄
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I hope so, Bp Pat. Mind when she has that bad turn in the Cathedral? The place was hummin for days.
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5.11pm Whitmore worked at the Secretariat of State – not the Congregation of Bishops!
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It would be shocking if +Mrs Alf Garnett (nee Nichols) was in some way responsible for that.
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Is it really true that there are only 19 sems in Ireland, spread between Maynooth and Rome? That’s shocking.
Also curious that they retained Maynooth rather than the Irish College. The Roman pontifical universities are in a different league than the teacher training college that Maynooth is.
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its not a teacher training college
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4:09
You clearly didn’t attend any high-flying educational institute and certainly none that puts you in a position to evaluate one.
If you had, you’d have known that A is different from B (and not A is different THAN B.)
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5.36
‘different than’ is an Americanism, and acceptable. But not just in America. 😆
Perhaps the poster made that choice. After all, British English (and Irish English, etc) is now host to many such, and no one bats the proverbial eyelid anymore, except purists, like you. And you are a dying breed, aren’t you? 😉
Guffawwwwww 😅
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Bishop Dermot Farrell stated it at the funeral of the Monsignor James Cassin’s funeral that Monsignor Cassin was a formator at the seminaries when there were hundreds but now in full of Ireland there is only 19 So Sad.
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When Mgr Cassin entered the Pontifical Irish College, Rome in 1966 he was one of a class of 19, the biggest class ever to enter the College.
Then the spirit of Vatican II happened and now the last of the Irish Colleges in Europe is no more.
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6.44
God is good indeed! 😃
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5:46
Unmistakably Jim – writing anonymously. The barely-literate text gives him away.
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4.09
Shocking?😨
19 seminarians for the whole of Ireland? 😕
Shocking?! 😞
It’s a damned disgrace that there should be even one of these useless, bone-idle, self-important, parasitical, sponging bastardos ANYWHERE in the world, never mind here.
Are people really so stupid as to continue funding such contemptibly indolent parasites, given everything now known about the systemic and entrenched corruption in the dirty, Christ-betrayin’, Roman Strumpet?
How many more of your children have to raped before you fools awaken to the monstrous lie that is Romanism?
This dirty institution continues to attract kiddie-fiddlers, and their apologists and protectors. Doesn’t this tell you all you need to know about its true character, one that priest-pimps went to extraordinary lengths to conceal for generations?
Mark me well, you fools that fund this moral cesspool: your obduracy and obtuseness will come at a terrible price, the welfare of your children and of your souls.
(Where’s a good Spanish republican from the 1930s when one is sorely needed, like? 😕)
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2.29: But if you had a clerical outfit on, I’m sure you’d have enjoyed the fullest of attention! Hypocrite! You, truly, are the shyster and a fool.
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I don’t think you even get special attention with normal clerical clobber. You have to be higher up the ladder. You miss the point 4.12pm
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4.38…No, but I bet you’d love the Roman waiters to fawn all over you. Try your clericals next time!!
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Pat this is fact Diarmaid Martin is the first Archbishop’s to say no to Mullaney. No to abuse. No to secret networks. No to bullying. No to covering convering up sex abuse scandals. No to protecting sexual predators.
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Obsessive alert
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5:31 pm
Hyper-obsessive alerter
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Well said and hopefully that will be his legacy to the Archdiocese.
Sadly he has these redundancy situations to deal with but when do parish priests need all these secretary’s and pastoral assistants.
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Maynooth ex Sem Mullaney stalker alert
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Instead of slashing retired priests’ pensions, Elsie could sell off the apartments next to Vaughan House for £500k each, CMOCs old house in Chiswick for £1m, and the Pimlico presbytery for £1m and move the Pimlico PP into the Westminster Cathedral Clergy House, where there’s plenty of space.
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Cecil Parkinson who served in Thatchers Government lived opposite the Pimlico Presbytery. He had a yellow front door. He carried on with Sara Keays and gave her a bun in the oven. The joke at the time was “all it takes is one screw and the whole cabinet falls apart”. Pimlico and Chiswick properties are worth far more than £1million.
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On a different note, Bishop P., I haven’t forgotten about the book review I promised you some days ago. I’m still waiting for Dr Elizabeth Moberly’s gospel to arrive from Amazon.
Problem is my payment keeps being declined… No! Not because the well is dry, but because I recently updated my card details, but there’s some difficulty with it. There’s a devil somewhere in the details, and I’m sprinkling the unholy water of exasperation to exorcise the bugger.
I’ll let you know when it has arrived.
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The off-licences of Downpatrick will be relieved that your cards working.
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Also out in Saul they wlll be relieved about MC’s card
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6.43
No off-licence in Saul, old boy. Just a pub, the Barn (an allusion… perhaps historical illusion… to the building where that honourary Irishman, Patrick, said his first Mass on landing here… and landing us with Romanism. 🙄)
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5.13: Magna, you are right. There’s a DEVIL somewhere in the details… Yes indeed! In your f****d up mind!! 🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱😎😎😎🐃🐃🐃…You are crazily deranged.
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7.09
🐓 Cock-a-doodle-doo 🐓
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No we won’t be side tracked by your “on a different note” Magna 5.13pm. Wind your neck in and shut your noise. This is not your blog. Give over.
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Pat, what a shame that Magna, when awakened from his cave slumber, doesn’t leave his hatred behind! The comments are the usual, repetitive hate-speech which is offensive, bigoted and disturbing. His language when used in so ugly and abusive way demeans even further whatever humanity he has. I am genuinely shocked that you continue to facilitate this monster of hate. Perhaps I shouldn’t be – because you seem to need each other to nourish the darkness of thought within your minds. Magna’s comments are the essence of evil and evidence of grave dysfunctionality.
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At 6:01pm, could you not just ignore the twat? You might as well piss up a tree as complain to Pat. Just don’t feed the troll.
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6.31: You are right but when I and other (man) priests are doing our utmost in these challenging and changing times, and of an older age group, the incendiary, divisive and hate speech from Magna, encouraged by Pat, is morally reprehensible and offensive. I expect better from Pat.
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6.13
With just one, sensible proviso for that act: make sure first that your bladder is full enough to defy gravity.
The act can be done, I assure you. 😁
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7.45
Pat doesn’t encourage my hatred of Romanist priesthood and priests. There is no NEED of this, even were he so minded.
Because you fools manage well enough on your own. 😀
(Ack! Am just bein’ honest, like. Honestly. 🙄
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7.45: is this new meaning to the term “artistry”? Mind you don’t break the hosepipe ban with your “exasperation”!
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6.01
And Romanist priests are ‘the usual, repetive’ hate-eliciting mongers. 😕
I shouldn’t have anything to hate were they not hateful.
You don’t get it, do you? 🤔
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6.49: We do get it Magna as have others in your small world – you are a vengeful REJECTED, flung out of seminary malcontent. Simple as. Your hatred has deepened ever since. You are a vile piece. Yes, you are undoubtedly very clever and learned but what hatred, madness and derangement of spirit also reside in you! You cannot but be a horrible person. Your language is a guage of that horribleness. Aesthetically ugly. I would hope that when you stop your gin swilling , you might discover your humanity, with a little humility and honesty. God bless our dedicated priests these days.
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I’m interested in what (man) priests are. Could they be the opposite of (women) priests? No that doesn’t sound right.
It must then indicate what their sexual interests are, and be opposed to (boy) priests, (sheep) priests, (housekeeper) priests and (mummy) priests.
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9.15
Damn! I hate gin. Last time I sampled the stuff, I was about 14. Hated it. Detestible stuff! The smell alone (horrible nose) reminded me of Creosote (wood preservative).
Listen and learn, my beloved detractors: I AM AN ALE (English…though I do enjoy the occasionsl McEwan’s 😆) AND BRANDY MAN.
Do try to keep up. 😕
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6:01
Hear! Hear!
Repetitive, peevish and prolix are the characteristics of MC’s writing style, together with sociopathic nonsense and an excess of bile.
And in one of his drunken stupors he fantasised about having two doctorates. With such a writing style he’s never going to get an undergraduate thesis finished.
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Shit has hit the fan in ErstwhilePool, +Pat. They are running round like headless chickens! I honestly cannot guess for the friken’ life of me what it is all about… One priest thinks his phone has been tabbed because when he was talking with a friend, on his landline, he asked his friend if he could hear crackling sounds at his end, to which he replied No (which is right)… That THICK as PIG SHIT so called safeguarding vulgarity has been crying because she has been caught out, I think she is having a bit of a crisis… And, Fr Foot Fettish is having trouble sleeping, he was on his iPhone right through the night looking at the same links and sites over and over, he was also talking to a priest friend last night and he does sound quite stressed out, he’s panicking clearly. He has been loolimg st yiur site, +Pat. I think he must be a big fan!
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6.21: Are you sozzled drunk? What a load of utter caca! I can easily imagine you this moment, swooning around in a pink negligee, cig in your mouth, your fanny wide open, peeping out the lace curtains waiting for any old slut to mount you! You can’t even spell properly, you sleazeball. Grow up. Be a man.
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😂😂😂 I am howling. That has just tickled me good style hahaha
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I’m afraid I’ve missed something. I know who Nursie, Elsie and Sadie are. Is erstwhile the arch of Liverpool?
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Statement from the Irish College, Rome. Looks like it will continue as a B&B for the bishops, a lucrative wedding venue, postgraduate priests and American sems in resident, plus short courses for pushy permanent deacons and pushy lay parish workers. Seem to have accepted that the one seminary is now Maynooth.
https://www.irishcollege.org/2020/06/new-opportunities-at-the-irish-college/
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Will the Irish College allow you to have B&B when you are next in Rome Pat? I hear on the grapevine Mr Mancinelli and his daughter also treated you well
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I doubt it. Mr and Ms Mancinelli could not have been nicer.
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That brings back good memories about Mancinellii. He is a total delight to deal with as a tailor. Not like the horrible snobby Gammarelli lot. Gammarelli hated it when Pope Benedict chose Mancinelli to make his papal cassock instesd of them. Benedict lived of course on the Borgo Pio whilst head of the CDF not far from Mancinelli. The shop reminds me of an old fashioned haberdashery were they know your measurements simply by looking at you.
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Pat, is everyone who applies to Maynooth accepted? I shudder to think what the ones refused are like if the accepted ones are Rory, Puck, Gorgeous, Horney Andy, the PP of Clogherhead etc etc etc.
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Oh they refuse the following:
1. Heterosexuals
2. Anyone who believes the Catholic faith
3. Anyone who might have integrity.
The ones refused are the good ones.
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Magna @ 18:01.
Absolutely, yes. However I think your own intelligence and time in the upper echelons of the academic world make you forget that the majority of the world’s population have an IQ under 100 and are prime fodder for the deceit of the Roman ‘Catholic’ sect. It of course also preys on the vulnerable by offering them hope after death and the delusional comfort of visiting churches and lighting candles, etc.
For those people the message will sadly need repeating because humans have an unfortunate habit of pinning their hope on nothing – there are still flat earthers, of course, and people are inclined to be taken in by criminals posing as the good guys.
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7.02
Can’t argue with that.
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That said, I don’t think it should be made illegal, because they’ve already got the bizarre idea that they are being persecuted.
Perhaps it would be better if governments put mandatory warnings on their churches like those on cigarette packets: ‘Attending a Roman church can be dangerous to your children and wallet’.
I would also like to see governments paying better attention to what the cult is doing with money and assets, and certainly it shouldn’t be allowed charity tax breaks. Luckily the property deal in London came to light. Of course hucksters set themselves up as ‘religions’ – in some US states for example, bodies registered as religion’s don’t have to keep accounts at all, and there is an interesting parallel in the ‘church’ of Scientology. This body was set up as a church to deflect attention from its purposes of taking money off people.
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Pat. I bet you loved it when the owner of the Restaurant kissed your ring. Does that happen often?
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I didnt “love” it. No, it never happens
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Welcome back from drying out Taggart. Hope the Jericho’s in Dundee helped you this time. Advice – cut down the posts – the Bishop is on to you. If you piss him off, he will stop your money.
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I’m not afraid of any Bishop! Mine has been fair with me and yes, has helped with my struggles. I get £50 a week from the Diocese whilst I am sick.
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https://youtu.be/3Wpn7xyzUqg
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Patsy only wears his mitre when he has big weddings nothing like show….
Sadly he does not wear it as Shepherd of the Flock on Sunday’s to his thousands of viewers.
His Crozier is a fixture to the wall as well yet he has a large virtual following now.
Be a Shepherd in clerical dress for you are a Shepherd not a normal PP or Curate.
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We always got the nice stuff out when guests came to visit, it is a sign of politeness and great hospitality.
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This Crux report on the closure of the Irish College, Rome gives at the end a long roll-call of the closed Irish seminaries. The useless bishops presided over that decline. I now think that they did so willingly and enthusiastically.
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-uk-and-ireland/2020/06/irish-seminary-in-rome-not-accepting-new-students-will-explore-new-ways-to-serve-church/
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There were only 5 Irish sems in the Irish College at the end, with 16 non-Irish, so it needed to be put out of its misery.
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This parvenu, Jim S, newly arrived on the scene it seems, is driving me mad. He presents as omniscient about every priest, bishop and diocese. Including LITTLETWAT ! A right FKA this Jim S. And, he’s apparently a layman ! Really ? I thought that instant wisdom was only given to those of us who are ontologically different on account of ordination ? We need to find some dirt on Jim S so that we can see him off ! So, brothers, to work. Start digging. Start moving those finger across the keyboard and let’s do internet searches on this man. If he is a man ?! It could be some maliciously perverted woman ! Or even worse a nun ! Oh dear, he’s (or she’s) got me all a’fluster ! What is this blog coming to ?!
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Surely you have come across many of these laypeople who love clergy gossip and for whom the Internet was a godsend because they didn’t just get to show their wide knowledge on a Sunday?
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stop press: an international shortage of capital letters has been announced and syntax emergency declared in many countries
the cause is thought to be jim s’s posts today
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Oh my oh My going to create a which hunt.
Father or ex seminarian I am so Sorry that you are calling for help because a layman upsets you.
Please Please seek help we have many organisations in the Church for a multitude of problems.
We even have Respite and Refuge places after all we are a massive World Wide Charitable Organisation.
but if you lack Trust in our charity organisation there is always Bishop Pat and places like the Samaritans, AA Drugs line and so many others.
But I would say we are Simply The BEST out there
However the Best think I think against witch hunts is to offer up the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass for you.
Today is Corpus Christi also know as the Body and Blood of our Lord.
Unfortunately all your witch hunt will find is that like everyone else a sinner hoping for perfection in myself before the Lord.
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CBCEW don’t need a secular bureacracy to front their health committee and tell them to tell the fake Conservative party what the fake Conservative party told them (via the Middlesbrough-Newcastle element and some pretend sociologists) to tell them it wants them to tell them (dressed up in some fashionable whingeing about eucharists). So you see there is scope for each lay child lay woman and lay man to throw a shilling at what little of the economy is left.
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