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MY NIGHT AT PIERLUIGI ROME AS A GUEST OF A SENIOR ROMAN CLERIC.

Let’s take a day off today from the the fighting about local clergy and allow me to regail you about the night a senior Roman cleric entertained myself and my priest friend to a mean in one of Rome’s finest hosteleries.

I had never met the cleric in question. He was a friend of the priest I was travelling with.

My friend had said: “We must look up my friend Xxxxxx in Rome. He might meet us for a coffee”.

The day we got to Rome my friend rang him and told him we were in town and suggested a meet for a coffee. But the Roman would have none of it. He insisted he would take us to dinner – as his treat.

We were staying in a humble Airbnb in a Roman back street. The Roman said he would call for us – and he did in a BMW limo

Here is a picture of the chauffeur. Sorry for the angle. I had to remove my priest friend and the Roman from the pic.

He announced to us that he had a little surprise for us  I thought we might be getting a couple of minutes with Francis.

But no, we entered a delightful small square in Rome and pulled up outside a restaurant called Pierluigi.

I was about 9 pm and was packed. Our friend has no reservation but said he was friends with the owners. When the manager saw our Roman host he was effusive and brought us to what turned out to be the Roman’s favourite table.

Without any request the Sommelier arrived with the Roman’s favourite Prosecco- which was beautiful.

The menu came. It was as big as a book. The Roman told us to have exactly what we wanted.

As we entered in I noticed a massive fish counter. Everything was on it including four kinds of lobster – including Maine lobster flown in fresh from the USA.

The Roman and my priest friend had several starters of exotic seafood from the fish counter.

I had

Salmon Tartar at euro 23

Fillet steak in a lovely sauce at euro 32

Tiramisu Pierluigi at euro 23.

The other two gentlemen went to town on two types of lobster, clams, oysters etc – a feast befitting Poseidon.

I had red wine. They had white. I did not count the bottles.

There was a desert wine.

Then there were the coffees and the liquers.

The liquer recommended by the Roman was BERTA CASALOTTO ACQUAVITE DI VINO.

Apparently it is a highly regarded grappa with alpine herbs?

I priced it at £ 100 a bottle when I got home.

The bill came. It was horrific !  It looked like euro 600 +

I wanted to contribute the euro 70 my food had cost and a bit more towards a tip.

The Roman would not hear tell of any such contribution.

He smiled and said something in Italian to my friend which I didnt hear. Afterwards my friend told me he had said “i penny di Peter” – Peter’s Pence.

The owner arrived and sat with us for a while and insisted on another BERTA

We were dropped off at our Airbnb in the limo.

So that’s how some Roman’s live, at least some of the time.

To hell with the auld Sherbourne and its pretentious Saddle Room – where some senior Dublin clerics hang out with fawning seminarians.

193 replies on “MY NIGHT AT PIERLUIGI ROME AS A GUEST OF A SENIOR ROMAN CLERIC.”

By partaking in that meal paid for by the laity, you were a participant in evil and just as guilty as every cleric you criticize.

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10 24: Yes, you should have walked out in righteous protest, If you had principles. You ate all that you chose, drank as much as you could and enjoyed every moment. You hypocrite!! Are we supposed to now believe that you were horrified? Pat, stop playing games. You enjoy fancy restaurants: that’s well known and you enjoy nice wines and whiskey. Your belated outrage is indeed false and shallow. And, did you fancy the chauffeur that you print a photo of this guy? Did you take his photo with just in your heart….Yes, you are full of double standards. Get off the stage.

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Grow up! I was not and am not horrified. I do enjoy food and wine. I am not a whiskey man. I am a cognac man. The chauffeur was not my type at all. I just wanted you repressed homo guys to see him.

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Everyone deserves a wee treat sometimes. Also, eating out keeps others in work.

I cannot let today end without mentioning that on this day in 1525 that old monster Luther married ex-nun Katherine von Bura.

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What a horrible hypocrite Buckley is! You condemn clerics for the very things you enjoy yourself. And I believe you embellished the story by referencing Peter’s Pence….were you on the side of the road as a beggar and given food or a meal, somehow that would be mocked by you as too kind a gesture…fool. You are abusive towards those who are kind to you. Next time you’re in Rome have a swim in the Tiber instead! As for offering to pay – a lie – you knew you were a guest. Stop pretending to be outraged.

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I know today’s blog is a bit of a change, +Pat, but 9:48pm seems a bit of a gobshite. And anyway, St Paul says we should always respect guests’ hospitality as it is a display of kindness. Sitting at table and sharing food and wine is a central theme in Christian theology; it is at table that we become more Christlike.

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There are gobshites everywhere. I was on holidays and holidays are different than normal. Last night my partner made a nice chicken casserole. The night before it was an omelette etc.

I agree with you that eating together and table sharing is the essence of Christianity.

I like company, food, a glass of wine etc and as far as I’m concerned feic the begrudgers.

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Lol out standing in his own field, that’s just made me laugh.
+Pat, that tiramisu in the pic had my stomach rumbling. Cow! Lol.
I’ve just started to make homemade creamed rice pudding for my desert this evening (I have some pork sausages which had just reached their sellby so I threw them in oven too. I will have mash with these… but desert is is what I’m looking forward too), I’ve got some very sweet damsam jam which I won in a raffle last year so going to put a big soon fulll of that on top of the creamed rice; I’ve been reletivly good calorie wise during lockdown, so to hell lol.
Ps I miss bingo with my old ladies and Wednesdays cleaning church. Catching up on gos. and what’s going on in both Anglican and Roman Dioceses is not the same as over the phone. You don’t get the same thrill: which is why I have made the riced pudding! Lol

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Enjoy your rice pudding. Haven’t had it for years.

In parts of Dublin they call sausages “widows memories ” 😈

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Daisy I am glad to see that will enjoy yourself.
It is great that you assist you parish on Wednesday however most parishes are looking for people everyday now.
Due to the correctly strict safety and cleaning that needs to be done.
Some things are not the same on the phone or by Zoom or live stream.
So we are moving in the right direction if your able offer to assist more in your parish as they need you more now than ever

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It said in the Times today that Rome is opening up fast to visitors and that Roman food has never been better. €600 – €700 is not bad for all you had. It would cost about five times that in London or Dublin and be half as good.

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Pat, that’s a great story. More power to your elbow. I wonder what the elderly couple would have said – the ones who watched clergy dining out. I think the lady died recently.

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I expect they would have been horrified watching +Pat getting out a limousine and walking in as bold as brass as if he owned the place. They would never get over it.

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As the old saying goes Pat, “If you can’t beat them then join them”. Good for you. I’d say Elsie when she hears you were in this plsce will say ” That man again”.

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Pat my lovely Darling that’s what I like to see. You’re just as human as the rest of us – but a good man as well. Lots of love from me. X

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Hey Pat, do you do cream tea at all in your place? I am planning holidaying in N Ireland when we’re allowed again. I am an ex-UK priest. I would be with my boyfriend. We still go to mass wherever we are. We would be quite happy going to you Pat. If it was nearby where we were travelling for tourist activity

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You and your boyfriend would be very welcome. I’m sure I can rustle up some scones, cream and jam from my local Asda.

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Another one bites the dust.
At least you have comfort and not leading a double life.
Shame some of the others cannot follow you.
It is Great to read you still come to Holy Mass once a Catholic always a catholic.
The future Episcopate of Down and Connor will make sure Bishop Pat has a great send off.

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You’re worse than the …rhymes with ‘German’… people against whom you so liberally take cheap shots on this blog, Buckley. 😅
You know what you can do with your promised book review, don’t you Buckley? 😅
Yes, you do, Buckley. 😁
You, and your fellow Romanists … 😄
You know it makes sense. 😆
Don’t you, Buckley? 😩
Fuck off! 😡
You fucking hypocrite, Buckley! 😄

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6.33
Don’t be like that? Why not?
This is just one reason I detest Romanist priests: they spend lavishly…other people’s money. And many of them do so more often than most people would suppose. And yes, they don’t give the proverbial: ‘Feic the begrudgers.’ Eh?
I thought Pat was different.
There is no right occasion to do the wrong thing. Spending such an obscene amount of money on a meal was morally disgraceful; its being holidaytime was no excuse. By the same immatue token, is it morally fine to steal, to cheat, to screw around, and all the rotten rest, just because one is on holiday? There is no right occasion to do the wrong thing. Paul had nothing like this hedonistic extravagance in mind when he spoke of hospitality; and you all know it.
Most donors to the coffers of the institutional Romanist Church are not well off; to use that sociological category, they are ‘working class’ people. They could not afford to spend on themselves even a quarter of what was spent on that meal.
This attitude among Romanist priests, ‘Feic the begrudgers!’, is deeply rooted in clericalism: how could anyone other than a person belonging to a privileged, pampered caste think this way of the people who pay for their homes, put food on their tables, and enable them to live without the worry of whether sufficient funds are available to pay such things as the next electricity bill?
I remember a curate who used to bunk off to his mother’s house most days. His mother lived about thirty miles from the curate’s home and parish. He should not have been doing this, but then, he was the priest, wasn’t he? And ‘Feic the begrudgers!’ Eh?
I remember his saying that it was only by the grace of God that none of his parishoners had taken sick and needed a priest while he was away. Well ‘Father’, I have news for you: God had nothing to do with the fact that you were abandoning your parishoners (the ones, remember, that you typically addressed as ‘my dear people’ during Sunday Mass?) most days of the week, and every week. Had you been in regular employment, you’d have been sacked the very first day for such colossal arrogance.
But hey! ‘Feic the begrudgers!’ Eh?

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2.57am: Whow! Whow! If this be the real Maggie, this is utterly shameful but deliberately written this way so as to elicit attention for himself. If any commenter other than Mags printed such offensive ugliness, it wouldn’t be printed. What is it then between these Siamese twins, Patti and Maggie??

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Wasnt Judas the one who complained Jesus etc spending from the common fund and protesting that the money should have been spent on the poor?

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“Carta” get help. Drunk and sending abusive anonymous messages on the internet at 3am. Had you no mass to say this morning father? Who do you think you’re fooling with all this “Romanist” nonsense? Get help and cop yourself on.

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As if Pat, or any of us, gives two hoots about your book review. Shove it where the sun don’t shine – you drunken old reprobate.

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2 57am: Your mind is permanently damaged, Magna. It’s beyond repair. Sad for you, but not for us. Slip quietly away, please. 🎃🎃🎃🎃🐱🐱🐱🎉🎉🎉🎈🎈🎈🎈…Go float on a river🎈🎈🎈🎵🎵🎵🎵😁😁😁😁

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5.11: Mags has fallen this time: Poor old Magsy Carter, she has taken to the drink, poor old Magsy Carter she has taken to the drink, poor old Magsy Carter she has taken to the drink and she’s off to the boozer for a piss all night long…She’s a quare auld ride with drink.. Men, avoid her…

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Were your priest friend and Roman cleric former lovers, Bp Pat, for example, did they first meet in a sauna? Or a pubblica utilità.

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Now, Dear Pat, you never told me about that excursion you had here in Rome. I think I can hazard a guess as to who your host was. Well done him. You have had to put up with much at “our” hands.

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Did your husband go to Rome with you, Pat? Or was it the sort of trip where the husband is left at home? Sometimes the wives need a wee break on their own. Nothing wrong with that.

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Am in the East…….. Glasgow is the West ( and I am not Irish lol)

And could not afford to eat out like you.

Costa Coffee is about the limit

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You could if you weren’t paying like I was that night. But we know you Scots are very tight 🤐

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9.21 some of us have things to do on Sunday Mornings.

I think it is shocking to say the least.

Thank God for Brother Kevin and all his colleagues.

Sadly these days are gone and sadly because of coronavirus it has definitely gone for them.

The Church has had very little income for three months and parishes that held 350 will be lucky with 68 now.

Clergy will need to say more Masses on Saturday “Vigils” and Sundays.

Thankfully I lead a humble life and dining is restaurants do not do it for me I would rather have Asda’s café.

Manga will be glad he is not getting stalked it is not me with my keyboard “Father” or ex Seminarian”

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The Scotch didn’t have Christmas Day as a bank holiday until the 1960s, what with being tight-fisted dour Knoxians.

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Pope Francis’ homily for Corpus Christie, just now was very appropriate, orthodox, moving and relevant. I hope before anyone here tells I’m talking rubbish, that they have or will listen to what he said.

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Ah, but I woke this morning on BBC to the faux, trying too hard to be sincere, moderated Scouse dulcet tones of our + Nichols ! What a way to wake up ! I’m afraid I have a sense of a man who is trying too hard to sound relevant, interested, sincere and compassionate as he trotted out some canned words about being deprived of the presence of the Lord and how wonderful it will be to have the doors of the church wide open again so that we can begin to see our place in the world again. What does he think we’ve been doing for the last 3 months ? Like so many clergy, he doesn’t realise that church, faith, priests, catholicism are only one aspect of our lives. They are not the things that define us completely. There is so much more. Anyhow, we should be jumping for joy – so he tells us – that the church doors are open again. Well, I’m rather looking forward more to John Lewis opening up its doors so I can pick up my clearance bargains ! Then I might pop in to the church and say hello. Oh, don’t forget to bring your backdated offertory envelopes with you. Maybe that’s one reason why + Nichols is so happy with this diminishing of lockdown ?

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The Great fear from every Church or every religion is that people have been become to the live streaming on their PC, tablets or phone and the Churches will be empty.
Very Worrying times for churches as we do not want people Birth’s Marriages and Deaths.
So you will see live streaming getting cut back as the government allows Churches to reopen more.

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What would you prefer on a Sunday morning – the faux moderated Scouse tones of + Nichols, or the Charles Hawtrey high pitched self satisfied screech of Littletwat ? Jim S – answers on one side of A4.please.

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Hasn’t Church teaching on homosexuality changed? An interesting follow-up to a reader’s question about changes in doctrine.
In response to yesterday’s Blog-piece a reader posed the very interesting question, as follows:
As always very helpful. But also, as always, questions are raised by something as thoughtful as this. Mine is whether there are any examples of something which the Church would have regarded as a sin in the past, but not today? And I suppose this would be linked to the issue of the Development of Doctrine. For example, would a Catholic in the 19th century have been told by the Church that a homosexual inclination was by definition sinful? Today, this is not the position of the Church, but was it once? I’m sure there are other examples. Is this a change of mind or a development? I would have thought it was possible to argue that, over time, the Church’s understanding of what constitutes a temptation to sin has changed, and that Catholics in the past who would have been encouraged to feel ‘guilt’ are not so encouraged today. And that’s not just an issue of ‘liberalism’ or laxity in morals, but because scientific and psychological understanding has increased. But maybe there is no change from the early Church. I have always wondered whether Matthew 23: 1-12 is not a warning to us today as much as in the past: “They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but will they lift a finger to move them.”
May I first of all say ‘thank you’ for an incisive question, and one which cuts to the heart of the issue.
The answer will be found in drawing a clear distinction between the ‘official teaching’ of the Church – that which is found in definitive teachings in documents of the Magisterium, and what we may call ‘common teaching’ – which is the attempt by fallible ministers and lay Catholics to communicate the official teaching of the Church in all sorts of ways; homilies, books, catechism classes, courses etc. etc. etc.
Among those things which are definitively taught ‘officially’ by the Church, there have been no changes; and this includes in the moral teaching of the Church, which is grounded directly in the revelation to the Jewish people in the Old Testament (especially the 10 Commandments), and perfected through the teaching of Our Lord. Thus, the Church’s teaching on homosexuality can be shown to be well established among the pre-Christian Jews, who were noteworthy in the ancient world for not engaging in same-sex relationships, which were common in Graeco-Roman society. This was likewise received and affirmed by the early Christian community, most notably by St. Paul – but importantly, there is no evidence of it being questioned or debated by the Fathers of the Church, most of whom were not from a Jewish cultural background.
Thus, where a teaching, either of the Faith or of morality, has been taught definitively and consistently throughout Christian history, it must be understood to flow from Divine Revelation – and therefore, cannot be changed because it cannot be incorrect. We may grow or deepen in our understanding or appreciation of it, but we can never, authentically, come to the conclusion that God was mistaken. God doesn’t make mistakes.
People, however, do make mistakes. And people can look at things through the prism of their own experience, which is where ‘common teaching’ comes in. In their attempts to make God’s teaching accessible to others, priests (Popes & Bishops?), parents, teachers, Christians are inclined to simplify, analogise and embellish that teaching using their own personal, historical and cultural references. In this way a certain amount of teaching can become loaded with personal, historical, societal and cultural prejudices.
The Church has never officially taught that homosexual feelings are wrong. She has consistently taught that homosexual activity is wrong. However, in their zeal to communicate and live that teachings, at many points in history there have been cultural taboos and personal prejudices surrounding people with homosexual tendencies. Priests, religious teachers and ordinary Christians were not immune from this, and therefore, it would not be surprising if some of this showed up in their attempt to communicate what the Church teaches.
Hopefully, today, a Christian struggling with a homosexual orientation would find a more compassionate pastoral response than might have been the case a century ago. In many ways this will be the fruit of the growth in human knowledge – remember psychology as a science is very new. The Church always celebrates growth in authentic human knowledge, and we must also remember that the Church is a sure guarantee of theological revelation only; everything else is outside her expertise. But, because Christ needed us to know Him and His teaching without error, we can be sure that when the official Church teaches definitively on Faith and Divine Law, which is Her field of competence, She knows about that which She speaks!
https://lonelycurate.blogspot.com/2020/04/help-im-dissenting-catholic_28.html

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He won’t let go of that maniple. Needless to say, it doesn’t belong to the set of vestments he is wearing.

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He seems harmless enough enjoying his little hobby. Maybe we should just leave him to it, while outside on Balham High Street the world turns regardless of the Church’s teaching, infallible or otherwise. I must say I rather admire his brass neck in addressing that blog question so confidently. At least he didn’t refer to sodomy, which usually leads to febrile and highly imaginative denunciations within the lace and maniple brigade, as they struggle to get their heads round the abomination.

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I go for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Not for who is celebrating it.

Father Littleton is 50 years behind Cardinal Nicholls but to be honest with you.

I would not want any of the two of them and I would go to the next Parish.

I have served for hypocrites before and stunned at how they act.

I have seen the Episcopate change so much some so like Saint John Paul Two then oh no Benedict was the Best now they are Pope Francis lovers all for mitres.

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I was just watching a YouTube video about a trailer park in Florida which solely houses paedophiles. The state’s law says they can’t live near children and the authorities know where to find them when needed.
If empty seminaries want to be useful they could offer their buildings to accommodate people who can’t stop themselves having sex with…
Oh, hold on, there’ s a flaw in my argument…

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People who talk about the development of doctrine haven’t read St John Henry Newman, in the same way that people who talk about Vatican II have not read the documents. I bet Pat hasn’t read any of the 16 Vatican Ii documents in full, never mind the full set.

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In fact, because I went into seminary in 1970 so soon after Vat 11 we were made read them all on full. Of course that was 40 + years ago now.

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Are you claiming, 12.29, to have found something in Newman to gainsay his development of doctrine insight?
Doctrine, or belief, is human beings’ articulation of their faith. No formulation fully expresses, much less, exhausts the mystery behind the formulation.

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Good point at 3:33 pm, so Littleton’s contention that the Church provides us with epistemological certainty is actually a contradiction of faith let alone charity. Compare the famous words on Newman’s grave echoing Paul that our knowledge is at best partial: this is the beginning of wisdom to recognize that.

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Domestic arrangements in the presbyteries of Clogher leave a lot to be desired. Filthy to the point of squalor. The diet, personal hygiene, laundry and house cleaning all gone to the dogs with the phasing out of housekeepers.

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Oh Bless you Father having to do a bit of house work what a shame.

You wont have time for the internet or whatever you get up too.

Poor Clogher it should have been done years ago.

housekeepers, Pastoral Assistants and PA’s and parish secretaries to name a few jobs that is not needed.

Remember most parishes have a big decline in numbers.

Clogher should never have got a new Bishop too small a diocese.

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As a role descriptor isn’t that a rather Reichian / Kinseyan category? Was the way these things were thought of in Newman’s day more helpful, or less?

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Enjoy. Sunday Lunch is important to me. A family tradition. We will have smoked salmon salad and roast lamb.

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JIM S
I told Mr S yesterday that he cant have it both ways – having my number and name and then him ringing me anonymously from a withheld number.
What’s good for the Irish gander is good for the Scottish goose 🙂

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You should send Jim S to the Abruzzi in Rome and he would be in his element watching the prelates coming and going. Then again if you are tight wad you might not like the bill at the end.

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Is the art of writing letters to nuncios dead? Do all the “with-it” youn Catholics communicate with them by email and mobile phone, or is that just in Scotland?
I’m having rice pudding too. Not homemade but from Ambrosia.

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Own label is (mostly) better cachet.

What’s really with it is to know nuncios don’t deserve acknowledging – safe diplomacy having been abolished.

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Jim S: If you are a priest you obviously spend your day browsing parish and diocesan websites and phoning your gossipy friends all over the place for information which you then relay in a most inarticulate manner. You are luterally – all iver the place…try to be mire coherent, less gossipy and get from behind your lace curtains and go out for fresh air. Go for a hill walk and clear that overloaded gossipy brain of yours. Take a few deep breaths!! But please, go quiet for a few days…

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Of course. After 3.30. Am doing a visit prison visit by Zoom from 2.30 to 3.30. Thank you.

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1. Newman goes for assent to degrees of inference (in every matter and not only religion). Your inference – your degrees – your assent – your pidgin. Solid doctrine was inferrable with individual effort. Newman understood that only if you can handle the rational should you pronounce on the suprarational. None of this kowtowing and diktat like Bergoglio and Jim S. make out. As for his emotions I’m not that interested, but I think the present suppression and stereotyping of them is a bad thing.

2. We were told in advance and we have been told ever since, Vat II was about sweeping away thousands of years of belief and affirming belief, it was about sealing the liturgy reforms that had already taken place and abolishing them. None of the delegates to the Council knew how to do Council (some invented ways).

My parents were too respectful to tell me what they thought. It’s cynical to trade on an image of the irrational (as embodied in the crooked palaeontologist Teilhard) to trifle with small folks’ credence. This was the period of “never had it so good”, “white heat” and J Savile. Like millions of public, I read the Vat II book and am none the wiser. Chautard wrote about the Christian life and no-one was interested enough in me or my family to tell us he even existed (only forty years later).

Of course there were bad dynamics, especially in orphanages and around corrupt archbishops. To entrench lack of principle is the worst of dynamics because Bergoglio now thinks he is entitled to kowtowing and his diktats. Transport and media industrialised any Council concept and now we have the industrial substitute for belief itself.

3. As for the Oratory they were stupid to call in a Visitation. They should have muddled on with a lame duck Chavasse. But in any event no-one in any circumstances should accept a gagging order from anyone. It’s a measure of the failure of church and belief altogether, that some have scuttled off into their “order” organisations only to find them more unsafe than the wide world.

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What is this nitwit @2:07 going on about ? The only mildly interesting thing he says is his mention of Chamberlain of the Cong Orat. Nice chap. Looked like he was 80 when he was 35. Penchant for affectionate relationships with young men. Chaste, of course. Goes without saying. Where is he these days ? But they still did a job on him when the fascists took over there. They also cleared out the Oratory 3 (or was it 4 ?) as well. What’s the story there ? You never do find out what the goings on of these strange places is. Another MIA is Guy Nicholls who seems to have been a troublesome and divisive figure, and they seem to have moved him on too, or else he moved himself on.. He figures as a Fellow of Blackfriars now. Another strange place. All those young OPs wandering around Oxford in their white habits and black capes. The Muslims down the Cowley Road must be wondering what’s happened to the neighbourhood with all these strange people wandering around dressed like that.

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It’s great to see the OPs, Cong Orats, FSSP etc thriving. That’s the future.

Blackfriars Oxford nowadays is a marked improvement on the old Blackfriars of that nasty old soak McCabe. Didn’t the drink get him the end, when he fell down the stairs mad drunk?

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Yes, that was a very rum business with the Birmingham Oratory 3 some years ago. Never got to the bottom of that, nor for that matter the hasty departure from Oxford Oratory more recently. Entirely agree about Blackfriars, which seems refuge for young fogeys and right wing nuts. ( BTW you mean Chavasse not Chamberlain – a harmless old buffer from the days when the Oratorians were fairly pleasant. )

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But hasn’t the hasty departure from the Oxford Oratory now miraculously reappeared in York ? Miracolo veramente ! Or has he disappeared again ? Oh, if only we could go back to the days of Father Gregory Winterton, men of breeding, and independent means. You knew where you stood. This new lot ? Well, parvenues if you ask me. Lower middle class types that aspire to be Victorian gentle-clergy. It doesn’t wash….

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Pat, I trust that Magna’s horrendous, abusive, vulgar comment will be the last one to be printed. Your blog is more interesting without this hate creature. This vile comment demeans your dignity and humanity and is proof that Magna is completely unhinged and dysfunctional. He is psychologically in need of therapy and intervention. Please Pat, do not indulge this drunken slapper again!

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His comment from last night is disgusting. As are many of his nocturnal emissions.He needs to explain himself.

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Doesn’t need to explain anything. You’re smart enough to know that he’s been drinking and/or has mental health issues. He’s someone that’s been very hurt and needs real help. I will pray for him

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We have no real proof. But he certainly has all the appearances of a very angry alcoholic. People often need help.

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he’ll be back with his tale between his legs, bowing down before his excellency Bishop Pat and declaring his undying devotion to the said cleric.

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2.56: Pat, do not fall for magna’s apology this time. He deserves complete ignoring. We all know he has both drink and mental health problems and is in need of professional intervention. It’s a pattern of emotionally dysfunctiinal people. Drunken outrages followed by seeming normality. His is the behaviour of a bully. Nothing will change until this dangerous, hate inciting man is secure in a specialised unit in a psychiatric hospital or in one of Sr. Consilo’s centres. His presence on this blog is unwelcome and unwanted.

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Talk of food made me think of mince cobblers, and from there, mincing walks.
I read somewhere that those Irish boys who had gone to kilt-wearing schools adopted a gait that countered the effect of the wind in occasioning malfunctions, similar to how girls do. To think kilts were originally thought more manly not less.
It’s all very comical but when we have to dissect the performance of primates or priestly candidates, it can distract the theme overly.
(Lace, if not gin, is similarly overdone. According to the internet, steampunk lolita will be de rigueur in 2021 – for men!)
Daisy well done for rice pudding making, I’m stuck in the tin opening (teenage) phase, must consult a cook book I’ve got somewhere. Just finishing some mild cheese – I get beautiful cheeses cheap (look for the ones with slight cracks in them). None of this mexican old boot stuff.
I hoped that covid would abolish the blight on our society that is “chicken tikka lasagne” but it’s making a comeback – ugh!

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Doner kebab lasagne? Sounds like total cac. How utterly revolting. You should be locked up for suggesting that and charged with crimes against the culinary world and humanity.

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Having a few drinks and a bite to eat. I’m not really into wild, except having a laugh and playing pranks on people.

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3.17: Magna, your second comnent validates the now known reality: You are a drunken, vulgar, ignorant and hate filled person. Your ranting about everyone and everything is simply a pretend outrage. You couldn’t give a s*^t about the well-being of anyone other than yourself. Your constant expletives of hate language is enough to have you hand cuffed and placed in a public square for rotten tomatoes to be thrown at you. You should immediately show you have some modicum of moral probity by apologising to Pat and all priests for your hate speech. There is a very deep illness within your psyche. Go for help for your own safety! Leave this blog if you have any honour- after you have apologised. Pat – you do not require this specimen yo be given a forum ever again. Since he believes he’s very “clever” he should start his own blog!!

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He’s too lazy and wouldn’t get a following, so he squats on Pat’s blog day in and day out, driving people away.
Pat’s as stubborn as a Mullingar heifer and won’t ban him, despite numerous pleas from readers down the years.

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I can be critical of Pat but I wouldn’t begrudge him a night out with his friends and if someone better off is picking up the tab well and good – that’s what friends are for . As the old saying goes “you never miss what you give to a friend”.

Who the hell is this Magna Carta bloke anyhow? Someone must know. It’s one thing making anonymous comments – 99.9% on this blog comment anonymously. But anonymous abuse and bullying is another matter.

It shouldn’t be impossible to work out who this boor Carta is from the clues about Maynooth, being from the North, etc. Unless of course those are deliberately to throw people “off the scent”.

I think it’s a priest and a pretty screwed up one at that.

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5:02 pm

All you good priests; Expose clerical child sex abusers!

Expose bishops covering up for corrupt criminals in the priesthood.

Let’s do a blog guessing who they might be. It might save numerous children from harm.

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Magna’s real name is Gerard A Doyle. He comes from Bridgwater.
He’s well known for being a total arsehole.

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Is that really Magna? 😱

The guy who was allegedly blonde, skinny and blue eyed? He has fallen into flesh. The years have not been kind.

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Bishop Pat. After the Scotland posts, you said that you’d write to the Bishops with intel and names. Did you manage to do that? Any reply? Could you publish the letter minus the names? I can tell you that certain clerics up here are shitting themselves!

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Taggart I would take what you say with a big pinch of salt. How do you know the wee scotties are crapping themselves? Are you the new bog cleaner in their wee hooses

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6.29 – I know because I have my ear to the ground. I may be on sabbatical, but I still know!

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5:22 pm
5:11 pm is not Magna.
It would be more appropriate for clerics to expose those in their ranks who are child rapists and abusers of vulnerable adults. It is outrageous how the clergy and hierarchy of the Rcc
discredited the gospel for the good of the clerical fraternity. Shameful and scandalous.

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Some of the Westminster clergy are unhappy poor loves that there is no jolly to Lourdes this time round. Some of the girls will not get to the meadow or get pissed in the bars late at night after their fix at the grotto.

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@5.57pm Ah good old Montitty. Haven’t heard of him in a while. A demon for the auld drink you know

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As a parishioner I have not found that to be true. He is very cheery and popular. Very much a friar Tuck.

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That guy should never have been ordained by Elsie. Maybe being a former Anglican saved his bacon. I know Norbert is well rid of him in Hertfordshire.

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Voi avete propriato Mangato hi. 100 squids for a grappa outs my league past present and future. Justified as a once off yes As a lifestyle sounds a bit rich for il povero Padre. Anyways the Roma has lots of places locals use and well worth a visit. Buon appiatito tutti. Ciaohi

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Mind, Bp Pat, when you meet the ‘Little Rancid Flower’ for a meal, you will need to pay. She likes caviar, anything with truffles, and champagne. Her gargantuan behooky must be carefully navigated around.

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@7.52pm Cheery indeed after much alcohol intake more like. Some of those better placed to know the real picture about Monti are those he has spoken ill of through drink – namely the Westminster bishops at the time and senior clergy. I find it strange that you as a parishioner recognise his nickname that’s only used in clergy circles. Friar Tuck is one way to describe him – morbidly obese is probably more accurate.

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7.52pm If you look at this blog regularly, then you know all the nicknames, as people use them on here. They’re not exactly state secrets.

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Father do you seriously trust the other clergy of your archdiocese to be discreet or keep a confidence? What planet do you live on?

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The McCarrick report will be out before very long.
Any direct connections to Ireland? Might make very interesting reading.

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Which diocese was Gerard A Doyle studying for?
It’s hardly a unionist-sounding combination of names. Could A stand for Aloysius (as in Gonzaga)?

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“He smiled and said something in Italian to my friend which I didn’t hear. Afterwards my friend told me he had said “i penny di Peter” – Peter’s Pence”
this sounds like smug clerics mocking the gullible faithful

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2:02 am
The gullible faithful are mocked in more ways than one by SOME very smug clerics, particularly younger smug clerics with little experience of life outside seminary.

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