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BEING RICH IS GOOD.

Jesus never said it was bad to be rich.

He did say it was bad not to share your riches.

In fact being rich is GOOD. The more you have, the more you can share.

Some years ago I celebrated the wedding of an American billionaire in Adare Manor in County Limerick.

He hired a Jumbo jet from Aeroflot to fly his guests from Boston to Ireland.

He put them all up in 5 * Adare Manor for 5 days, full board.

He installed a temporary roof and floor in a ancient church in the hotel grounds for his ceremony.

He hired an orchestra from Limerick to play at his wedding.

There were several days of banqueting at the Manor to celebrate the wedding.

Guests at the wedding ceremony were dressed in formal suits and evening  gowns carrying white parasols.

The bride and groom arrived on horseback.

The cost of the wedding was ginormous, I mean really ginormous.

The wine at the top table for the wedding meal was Chateau Petrus from Pomerol. Believe me, you dont even want to price it.

I was wondering about the whole occasion and the expense of it.

The evening of the wedding I was in the bar and was talking to the best man.

He told me three things that made everything ok.

1. The groom was of Irish / Italian descent, was born into a very poor family and started working as a tea boy at the age of 13 on a Boston building site and built himself up from absolutely nothing.

2. He had many thousands of employees and paid them the best rates in the industry.

3. Every year, anonymously, he builds 50 houses in the USA and presents 25 poor black families and 25 poor white families with the deeds and the keys.

As I say, it’s not wrong to be rich.

It’s only wrong to be rich and not share.

If a man is sharing I dont care what expensive tastes he has.

198 replies on “BEING RICH IS GOOD.”

Wasn’t there something about “Woe to you, rich” and “easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle”?

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There was. I think truly generous sharing though stretches the eye if the needle.

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8:29 PM
Good Evening hi fly.
Begorra fly God alone is good.
The love of money is the root of all evil for
where your treasure is there your heart will be also.
The Lord is the lotto.
It could be you.
May the Force be with you.+
Bye bye fly hi.

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Wrong, Pat. It isn’t sharing one’s wealth that binds a person to Christ: it’s his unattachment to it. The two are not necessarily the same.
One can share enormous wealth to a relatively very small degree ( just to assuage a troubled conscience) ,but still be attached to it, making it his god.
Putting mammon before God is creating a false idol. And God does not tolerate rivals.

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I think that creating employment for thousands of families, paying a just wage and spending $ 5 million a year on homes for the poor sounds more than “Christian” or “moral” to me. In any event you do ot know the man and you are not his judge. That aside, at least your nocturnal comment is sober and rational for a change.

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And that is true. But which if us is that unattached, that pure of heart?

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5.21
Nevertheless, that is, and must be, the goal for every Christian. God seeks our total loyalty; in fact, according to the Gospel he insists upon it.
We are called, through grace, to step up to the plate, not to step away from it.

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10.10: Why are you back here, you horrible, vulgar creep after your vulgar offensiveness yesterday? Magna, you are now a recognised psychopath, you have no self respect, none whatsoever. You disgraced yourself yesterday, irredeemably. Where is your apology? Pat, why are you bowing to this individual?

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I am not bowing to him. His 10:10 comment, while smacking of superiority, is not offensive. I blocked many of his comments yesterday and will block any offensive comment he proffers from now on.

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10.10: Magna, such audacity to return to this blog! Your bullying, infantile, reprehensible and unforgiving behaviour yesterday renders you totally unacceptable. Why should readers of this blog be subject to your all too frequent hate speech? It is immoral that you have any such forum. You are the nastiests contributor on this blog. I believe Pat should ban you for ever, at least for 6 months. In this period you may wish to seek professional help.

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8:35 am
It is most immoral for priests to sexually abuse children as well as abuse vulnerable adults.
It is equally immoral for bishops to protect and cover up such gross immorality.
Prison, therapy, rehabilitation and sacking are in order. Away with you….!!!

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10.10: Are you repentent Carta? Your blasphemous and vulgar comments of yesterday have finally proven your psychopathy in its fullness. You are undeserving of any mercy. You made a total fool of yourself, yet again. You are becoming more pathetic in your already deteriorating life. Amoral and a lost soul.

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8:35

It is also immoral and sinfully abusive for a comment maker drunk on alcohol / neurosis/ psychosis – or all three, to utter profanities and hatred.

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Anyone who treats other human beings the way you do, at 10.10, has forfeited the right to inclusion in civilised debate.

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9:50 am
So, what do priests who sexually abuse forfeit?
What do bishops who cover up for priests who abuse forfeit?

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9:50 am
Do bishops who protected clergy by covering up child sexual abuse forfeit their position of leadership in the Catholic Christian community?

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10.10: Attachment is in the private forum. Now if the man’s rents were exorbitant (which I don’t know) we would have to throw that into the equation.
Thus your argument (which is in your first two paragraphs) is not a refutation of Pat’s but a refinement tending to confirm it.

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No apology for bishop Pat. I wouldn’t walk into someone’s house without first saying sorry. No manners

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Pat, I was at a talk given by Ann Widdecombe to a Catholic students group. Partly for a laugh I put it to Ann that Jesus was a bit of a leftie and there was the eye of the needle.
Ann hit the roof and said that the Good Samaritan was only able to help because he had the means to.

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11.34 it’s not for you (for one) to say who has “excessive” means when any means to do ill however small can be converted as a person’s heart converts.

In your state you have excessive “liquidity” which needs taking away from you pro tem.

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10:10 pm

If Jesus was not political why was He murdered ?

The Good Samaritan had compassion on his fellow human being. The religious walked on by…..

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5:21 am

That is the challenge of the Gospel. The great commandment….

Christians are called to be saints.

I had the privilege to have known an uncanonized saint.

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I’ve had the privilege of meeting many such saints. With one exception, none of them were priests or religious.

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8:54 am

If a person makes comments of hatred due to alcohol consumption, neurosis or psychosis, surely their culpability is grossly diminished.

Not so for covering up by bishops. In fact, there’s no comparison.
Wounding leads to anger. Anger is an emotion.
Jesus expressed righteous indignation in the temple.

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Culpability is most certainly reduced / removed by addiction or illness. But when we have an illness we must try and get help to recover.
I agree that covering up by bishops is a very grave sin all the more so, because it is an act of the will.
Wounding does indeed lead to anger and very often justifiable anger. But again we have to control our anger to some extent al least. Jesus was indeed righteously angry in the Temple.

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At 9:07am – the only thing we know for certain about “Magna Carta” is that some individual somewhere trolls this blog using that pseudonym.
Neither you, or I, or anyone, knows anything with certainty, about the individual behind “Magna Carta”.
What we do know is that some unknown person uses that identity, to indulge in the most vicious form of hate speech
that it can dredge from the depths of nastiness – directed normally against all priests.
Every single priest everywhere is subjected to the deranged ranting of this troll. It’s snarling at times is demonic.
It’s blanket condemnations – it’s carpet bombing of the entire Catholic priesthood are not the views of a rational and balanced person.
We do not know if this person has a drink problem. It could be pretending to have a drink problem, in the same way it could be pretending to have been a former Maynooth seminarian, with blond hair, blue eyes and slim frame. There is no way of checking an internet troll’s narrative for truthfulness.
What is to be hoped is that, at last, it’s bullying will be put a stop to, now that the blog adm appears to have finally wakened up to its antics.

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The “eye of the needle” was the night entrance to cities.
Mutant capitalism as favoured by (only to name some of the most recent) Blair-Brown-Cameron-Clegg and the unreliably named Boris, enslaves everyone before long.
I think Widdecombe is very dull and / but she possibly didn’t have the strongest mutant version in mind.
My family turned down council housing (in specific circumstances) but couldn’t have done without the welfare state. They’d have dreaded having to be “company people”.
“Christian socialism” during the last 150 years aimed to effect improvements within a mixed economy.
Therefore these ramifications are only strengthening Pat’s argument by refining it.

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Yes, there was the old line that the Labour party owed more to Methodism than Marxism. Catholics in England historically were more inclined to support Labour rather than the Tories, possibly on tribal and class grounds, or perhaps because of Catholic social teaching. I’d say the modern UK Labour party is a cold house for Catholics. Certainly the Irish Labour party is.

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poor old Maggie Carta she has taken to the sup, Oh poor old Maggie Carta she will never give it up….🍆💦

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5:33 am

Interesting.

A saintly monk often remarked to me ” the faith is far stronger in the laity than in priests or religious”.

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And he was generally right. On attachment. I knew a Cistercian monk of 50 years who was unbelievably attached to one particular egg spoon. The abbot hid it for a week and the poor monk nearly went round the bend.

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9:12. am

Most people are likely to be neurotic, to some degree.
It is estimated by psychologists, 80% of adults are emotionally immature.

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9.20
I wonder whether the psychologists in question include themselves in that statistic. It would be immature of them not to, wouldn’t it?

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I think being excessively wealthy gets to be a concern when the wealth and power is used as a grooming tool to sexually abuse or maliciously control someone with this adult style candy bar for the needy.
Secondly, and this goes for Poor Gang Members scraping for a buck too……
It depends on how you obtain the wealth. The ethics, business or behavioral morality
you indulge in to acquire that wealth. That’s where the up and down escalator
divides.

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I think you should have said “many” or “most” billionaires. There are at least some with a conscience and good heart.

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Well The Scriptures tell us that Giod will judge us not by external but by what is in our heart? “Blessed are the pure of heart”.

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5.19
The Gospel says also that a person shall be known (his moral type) by his fruits (his ‘deeds’). You have created a false and dangerous dichotomy between intentions and deeds.
Deeds really do matter.
Intentions alone? Isn’t there a road somewhere ‘paved with them’?😕

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5:19 am

Yes, Pat. The pure of heart will see God. The Beatific Vision. Eternal Enthrallment.

Is a good heart and pure of heart the same?

As you say, God judges the heart, motivations, and He alone knows the hearts of every person.

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I’m not sure. But I think someone with a good heart is at least on the road to purity of heart.

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5:53 am

No doubt.

Metanoia is an ongoing process eventually leading to what Eastern Orthodox monks call theosis.

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11:45 am
Surely orthopraxis is as important, if not more important than orthodoxy.
Is that not illustrated in the parable of the Good Samaritan?
The final judgement will be on ‘ the corporal works of mercy,’ or praxis.

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On this earth there are two sets of people that have one thing in common….all other ‘ sets’ long for what they have; I am not referring to individuals. The two sets of people are the very very very wealthy and the very very very poor; They want for nothing. They are referenced by all the Religions of The Book and all Religions . Many Philosophers have examined the matter. ” Want” is a terrible hindrance to happiness….it is rife in the world.

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Jesus loved the poor but he simply adored the rich !!! I remember the face of Barry Moran ( a very good and decent man ) when I said that to him……dead pan and of serious countenance ……he thought I was serious !!!!!

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Bill, you and I have shared some nice meals together, that some begrudgers might object to. But, I have found you to be a an exceptionally generous man.
I think of that story of when the priest asked the school children who Jesus was. One little boy replied: “He’s the man who wears his heart outside his shirt” 😊

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I have experienced generousity from a number of priests in my life time.

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Oh all is fine here – I am glad to see that you are happy and healthy. We must have a catch up in the future.

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The comments of mine that were blocked yesterday by Pat were not, in any way, abusive of him. The truth here has not been told, just as the truth has not been told about this billionaire. The fact that anyone can become so rich is a self-evident sign that he is attached, not to God, but to those riches through their accumulation. One does not need to be so insanely wealthy to live, just as one does not need to feast so extravagantly to survive; it is the excess, the gross excess, that is so displeasing to God.

Rationalising either is a practical example of Jesus’ classic warning: woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.

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Can we call Magna by his real name from now on? I agree with Pat…excessive alcohol is a sin. Mr. Doyle is in no position to talk about gross excess.

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Pat, it is very noticeable that the bloke writing under the “Magna Carta” disguise is decidedly quite sheepish in his utterances today, since you challenged him head on.

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He deserves to be quite sheepish. His days of getting away with what he wants on here are gone.

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10.04
Shows how little you know of the Hebrew Bible and how less you know of the civilities of discourse.
What a pathetic defence to claim that just because your postings were not abusive of Pat and were abusive merely to other people that they should be posted publicly here. Pat’s editorial decision not to post is proof enough of their contents.
You used the word ‘vermin’ to in relation to another human being. Reprehensible!

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11.49: I agree with you. This lecturer, Magna, is now so disreputable that his comments are insignificant. His trademark is one of hateful, hurtful ugliness in thought, word and deed.Today should be his last day to have comments printed. Out of respect for other contributors, Pat should ignore Magna completely. He’s had too many warnings and he is not ESSENTIAL anymore.

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Actually Maggie at 10:04am – that quote you ended with is from Isaiah 5:20 – not from Jesus – school boy error. As Pat says, take a long hard look at your own excesses.

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At 12:59pm – ah now, Maggie, admit you were wrong – g’wan, g’wan, g’wan, g’waaaaan – just once. Admit it – you were WRONG 🤣

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12.05
Sharp scholarship. Well said.
How’s this for logic.
‘Jesus is the originator of a saying found in Isaiah 5, conservatively dated to a pre-exilic period many centuries before Jesus.’

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10.04: Sadly Magna, you are past your sell by date for rational, intelligent, tolerant and decent debate on this blog. Not for the first time, but yesterday your comments were disgusting, immoral, hate inciting and completely OTT. You need to apologise. Then just vanish to some outer world for a long, deep breath. Look honestly at yourself. Renew within and learn respect for yourself and for others. There ought to be a moral shame in your heart this very moment. If not, then I have no hope that you will ever change for the better!

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I don’t know whether Pat intended a documentary piece on an individual (I don’t know if the house can be identified and if it has skeletons in the cupboard) but especially a talking point. It fits very well with the frequent themes of responsibility, management, practice of virtue, wellbeing etc.

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Many of your comments were insulting to commenters on whose side you falsely pretended to be, as well as to numerous others to whom hurt was caused, and who need their discretion respecting to own their solution (with assistance from the genuinely good-hearted) for themselves.
Pat repeatedly stressed he doesn’t mind what you call him so agreeing with him on that specific detail gets you precisely no-where in anyone’s eyes except your own beplanked ones (unless you are cynical of course – huh!)

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Magna, sweetest of hearts, be a good gal and pop 2 alkazelza into a glass of water. You know it makes sense.

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I am reasonably wealthy, and a Christian. But let me tell you this, I have worked hard for every penny I’ve made. I was born and brought up in poverty. And this is in England. Just one example, where do you think charities get their donations? If people didn’t have it, they couldn’t give it, and the charities would not be able to help others. Wealth can attract jealousy.

As for Magna Carter, why is there never an apology. Or an explanation for your bad behaviour. I would have more sympathy for you if you did that. Maybe we could help you then on this blog.

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@10:23am – Because of the troll’s excessive and colossal sins of pride. It’s never wrong in its own eyes so it never needs to apologise.

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Good comment about working hard. It’s part of our duty to work hard if we can and make the world a better place and, if possible for each generation to give their children a good start in life.
Where your treasure is there will your heart be. The treasure by no means is confined to money and plenty of poor people can be as hard of heart as any 19th century industrialist.
If we didn’t have rich people and business people there would be no NHS or social security. We are very lucky to live in the West in the 21st century.

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Many Catholics of the Tablet-reading, retired teacher class preach the type of pauperism favoured by Francis, as if poverty is a good thing. Such retired teachers are usually mortgage free and have two or three pensions, btw.
Anyone who has grown up in poverty never wants it again, or for others. Part of human flourishing is that people thrive in all areas, including materially. Some think that’s through socialism but I think capitalism for all its faults is the most effective way to relieve poverty. Most income tax is paid by the wealthy and redistributed.
I also applaud champagne socialists. They don’t want anyone to be poor so there is no hypocrisy when they do well.
The preferential option for the poor/liberation theology has been rejected by the people of Latin America who have left Catholicism in their millions and embraced evangelical protestantism of the American, prosperity Gospel type. Another rotten fruit of Vatican II.

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I saw recently that “prosperity gospel” peddler Kenneth Copeland publicly banished Covid-19. Could the Pope do that?

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Another rotten fruit of Vatican II is centuries of evangelisation in Latin America being undone in a generation by priests who prefered politics to preaching, and who usurped the lay vocation by seeing development issues as their primary role. Meanwhile American televangelists and Protestant missionaries filled the gap, with country after country turning Protestant and beleving in the Prosperity Gospel.

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12:06
The problem with Vatican II, like that of Christianity, pace Chesterton, is not that it has been found wanting, but that it has never been tried.

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The vow of poverty is symbolic in religious orders, really, isn’t it? Living rent-free, fed and watered, all found isn’t the poverty of someone on universal credit or a minimum wage worker paying bills.
Is it any wonder that the convents and monasteries of Rome are full of people from the 3rd world? When I was studying in Rome I met chancers from eg the Philippines who had an immense improvement in lifestyle by joining orders and they used to say to me “I don’t own this car/camera/whatever, I just use it” and a year before they had none of those things to own or use.

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Probably not as there are chancers in and from every nation (in every walk) and Rome wouldn’t exactly be devoid of them.

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To the best of my understanding William of Ockham and Michael of Cesena wanted to sophistise about “using” things by claiming even their order didn’t own anything, but the popes of the time insisted they stop trying to show off and just get on with the realities.
Basically, if you’ve borrowed the camera or the car or the living quarters, put them back nicely when (and if) you’re told by who represents the owners – simps!
Jesuits transferred the trick to the spiritual sphere by claiming they answered to popes and not to each other. Lots of movements copy this. They even claim to answer to bishops when it’s (in practice, but not formally) the other way round!

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In what ways does the English Benedictine Congregation observe poverty? I was briefly a servant in Ealing Abbey (we were called houseman) and the monks had exquisite furniture in their rooms, chefs in the monastery, the did no manual work and it had the feel, atmosphere and lifestyle of the senior common room of one of the older Oxbridge colleges.
If you check the Charity Commission you will see that the religious orders are extremely wealthy, with, for example, the British Province of the Jesuits having assets running into the hundreds of millions.

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I should have added that until recently we had the same phenomenon in Ireland. How many went from a hovel to the polished halls and roast beef of the seminary. Even in the 1980s there were Maynooth seminarians who admitted openly that they were there for the free degree and then they left when they got the BA or BSc?

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Roast beef that tasted like – and had the texture of – old shoe leather (with watery gravy) if my memory serves me right!

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I think that religious orders vary. There are some like the English Congregation Benedictines who are pucker and live like they are lords, grand monasteries and fixtures and fittings, and everything on hand. There are others where they are just bog men, and as long as they get enough whiskey and cigarettes, they are content to live in shit and devolve down to the lowest common denominator. But, for them all, very few of them will have any clue as to where the money comes from, or how much it takes to keep them in the style to which they are accustomed – heating, lighting, property, food, board, keep, cars, holiday, whiskey, cigarettes and whatever other little interests they have. Most of them just have not got a clue and like to imagine that it costs very little, but in reality they cost quite a bit a head to keep. Poverty, or simplicity of life as it should be called, is only observed in theory and these men tend to be able to do what they want, when they want, and go off wherever they want, even if it is usually under the guise of a pilgrimage, or retreat, or visitation, or some other cover. What I find most galling is that these guys just are not in the slightest aware of what a privileged existence they lead, and will continue to lead, even when people around them are suffering.

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Do you think Father Littletwat lives a life of simplicity ? All that lace and those maniples must cost him bit. Or is he digging around in old cupboards in whatever church or presbytery he finds himself hunting out old stuff ?

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1:50 pm
Re : politics to preaching, remembering the socio/ economic / political context of South America;
Read Lk: 1 :46; Lk 4:16-20; Lk16:19-31; Lk14: 12 – 14, Lk: 16:13-15 : Lk: 11:43 and 20: 45-47, Lk: 19:45-56. Mk 1:15 and Lk: 6:20.
Read Gal: 5: 6 ; 1 Jn 4:8; 1 Tim 2:4 ; Eph1:3-4 ; Col1:15-20.
Matthews parable of the final judgement- Matt 25: 31-46.
If the Gospel is not about politics, what is it about?

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Oh, Chark Farm do holiday cottages. Nice job for Littletwit as a chamber maid there when he suddenly finds that all this dressing up and theological pontificating nonsense isn’t for him anymore. Because, the boy will not survive as he is. It will either be love (boys or girls ?), getting in to trouble in some questionable place, or just suddenly realising that the idiotic stupidness that he has tied himself to doesn’t satisfy him anymore. Trust me, it will happen. Unless someone steps in and puts him on a sensible and reasonable path. + Wilson, over to you. You have a problem on your hands. You need to sort it out before it lands like a big cowpat on your desk. I think those of us who are the grown ups know that pattern of these things and people like Littlewank.

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Should Passionists have Mercs, even with failing big ends and high mileage from round trips to Fermanagh, plus travel to RTE and to celebrity funerals?

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The clerical caste are all spongers and parasites leeching and living off the laity. Their property and belongings should be taken away by the State and handed over to their victims of abuse and the poor . The Shysters should be made to wear sack cloth and ashes and shunned. Over the years they’ve lined their pockets from the big business owners and gone to the big knobs houses to be wined and dined. Not many were seen round the housing estates or flats. There needs to be a revolution regarding the clerical elite and moneygrabbers, during the French revolution they knew how to deal with them and the reformation in England and Ireland with the penal laws. Grab their wealth given only to them by the laity. We need more Oliver Cromwells.

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The English reformation impoverished the poor (by privatising social security). The last thing we need here is an apologist for the politicians!

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“The clerical caste are all spongers and parasites leeching and living off the laity”
NO THEY ARE NOT!
At 1:52pm, are you Carta now using total anonymity? Your blanket condemnation of all clergy which is similar to Carta – like Carta’s – is a complete falsehood born out of your own hatred and bigotry.

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1.52: Either Magna or his clone. Either way, all LIES and you are goid LIARS. Perpetuate your bigotry, hatred and vengeance all you like, thank God our parishioners recognise our commitment, ministry and dedication. Feic all begrudgers today. Get yourselves a life. Go out and enjoy the sun….Oh, I’m off to Kennard Park soon for 10 days. I’d recommend it. Francis Brennan is a personal friend….!!😎😎😎😎😎😎🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😣😣😣😣..yippidy do da, yippody de….tra la, tra la….🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶……

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1:52
You are confusing your Cromwells.
The man who dissolved the monasteries in the late 1530s was Thomas. Oliver the Puritan lived a century later.,

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12:20 pm

Also:

Should priests obey bishops/ religious superiors when told to keep their mouths shut about abuse or other criminal corruption within the clerical fraternity?

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Pat we the Maynooth Survivors look up to you as a father figure and one who flights for our Human rights. Its emotional Pat despite everything you endured from Eamon Martin you found the inner strength to fight for our basic human right to be free from abuse. Thank you.

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@1.52 – Is this Magna trying to fool us under an anonymous name.
If it is not Magna, how dare you. I am a parish priest, and I do not live an extravagant life on the backs of the laity. I receive £250 a month as my own money. 100 of that goes on a pension as I want at least some independence when I retire. Another 50 goes on a loan payment.
If it was not for the lockdown, I would be out visiting, going into the school, and all the usual things. Also, I have no help running a busy parish. Not that I’m complaining, I’m quite happy doing it. So don’t begrudge me my 250 a month.
Yes, I receive some mass offerings, but not many. I certainly wouldn’t want to be relying on them. And yes, I live in a house that I don’t pay for. But, my parish does pay for it. And, as a good steward, I make sure I am economical, because I care about the parish. Oh, and you’ll probably mention mileage as well. Yes, I claim mileage for parish use. The car I have is my own, for which I took out a 4k loan.
I’m not saying some clergy are not frivolous, I know some who are. And I can’t stand it. But please don’t be so horrible in your comments lumping us all in the same category.

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@2.34pm I assure you I am not Magna MC @1.52pm. I have since answered your post again but Pat is over sensitive now and paranoid that he blocked it – it ended in baaaaaaa.

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Ronan Drury left €900,000 in his will, which was a remarkable achievement for a man who just did a few lectures a week in Maynooth and wrote no books.

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This priest has £3,000 odd in the bank – that’s it. Sum total – no other assets or whatever. And I am happy and content as the day is long. I will leave enough to bury me hopefully. There will be money for anyone to be troubled over 🙂

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And this one has £ 650 and no other assets either. I am very happy to get by and still have an occasional treat

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Imagine Pat without the Blog, Paul Prior would continue his dark sexual behavior in Maynooth and Michael Byrne would be a Priest . Scary.

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“Maynooth survivors” my ass! You are one deranged fool – playing a devious and nasty little game from anonymity – all for your own amusement.

There are two aspects to the May/Gaynooth farce – Fanny and her merry band – and shitehawks like you at 3:42pm.

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8:18 am

Pat, the issue is not begrudgery. You ended your narrative yesterday by mentioning the comment from the senior Vatican priest re Peters pence. A loaded remark. In my view, it is obscene for priests called to live a simple life,( according to Vatican II documents on priestly life), to wine and dine, excessively or extravagantly, many, no doubt, covering up crimes committed by priests. A relative of mine was sexually abused by a priest who had wormed his way into the family. My relatives contributed to Peter’s pence all their lives. Why should anyone take much of what our supposedly moral and spiritual betters say when they don’t seem to take very much of it seriously. The ‘don’t do as I do, but as I say’,but pay me for saying it, brigade.

I recognize you live independently of the Rcc, including being financially independent.

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I agree that the Roman cleric’s comment was cynical in the extreme.
Called to live a simple life?
I think priests and bishops should live ordinary lives.
I dont have a housekeeper.
I’m just finished cleaning my kitchen and washing my dishes.
Now I will tackle my ironing.
But like all people I need nothing wrong with a priest having a social life.
And priests are entitled like others to have a hobby and interests.
Yiu can be so heavenly as to be no earthly use.

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4:06 pm

Vatican II documents call priests to live a simple life. Ordinary life?
Optional celibacy, for starters, to end an institutional farce.

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I agree absolutely. Optional celibacy and the acceptance of gay priests in committed relationships typified by love and companionship.

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I don’t have a housekeeper either Pat. Do it all myself – big and ugly enough to do it too.

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The blog is already much improved, with more considered, polite and thought-provoking comments and the outbursts of hate speech curtailed a great deal. A sign of what it could be like.

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MAGNA
I would ask readers not to provoke MC as I am now carefully monitoring his comments. He uses your provocation to excuse his attacks. Please.

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Bullies will often claim to be “provoked” when challenged, Pat and scream, when called out, that it is someone else’s fault. If you moderate as you intend, there should be no further problems.

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Ronan Drury was generous beyond measure to all and like Patrick Corish, so much went to charity. Insofar as I am aware Corish gave most of his salary away….to charity……Drury was from money..that accounts for the amount you mention.

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When I was given the boot by Nial Ahern, kind Tom Corbett, a dogma lecturer, spontaneously offered me money when I told him. I declined, politely.
I think Ronan’s will reflected a legacy he had received not long previously from a relative.

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looks like there will be a new government in Ireland soon. the party leaders have agreed a programme for government. Me-hole Martin, Liar Varadkar and Gammon Ryan. fair play to ye lads. Mary-Loopy McDonald isn’t too happy.

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I always liked the nickname Enda Life for the abortion-mad Fine Geal former Taoiseach Enda Kenny, big friend of Tony Flannery and his brother.

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PAUL PRIOR COMMENT
I thought I blocked that comment. It got through by mistake. Now removed.

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I suppose Pat you are now booking your next big lavish meal out from 3rd July with loads of vino. Out of interest any recommendations for good places to eat in the North. We prefer to stay out of Belfast after a bad experience last year. Maybe you prefer not to say.

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No plans at all. I can recommend COCO at the back of the city hall – Linenhall Street.
THE DIRTY DUCK In Holywood is excellent and reasonable.

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Pat @6pm those two places would be no good to us as both are in Belfast and as I explained we don’t like going up there anymore after someone tried to hijack our car whilst we were inside it.

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I don’t know whether it is a sort of 1970s hippylike Catholic guilt, but when I have money it burns a hole in my pocket, as my mother would say. I feel bad having it. Isn’t that strange?

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If R.C.C bishops could get pregnant, Abortion would be a sacrament. Aquinas all those years ago was much more nuanced about a complicated matter that the Troglodytes that pronounce in recent centuries.

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Mulvihill at 6.41:🎺🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵📻📻📻📻📻📻🎼🎼🎼🎼🎺🎺🎺🎺: Sane old tunes as before. Crap. Nothing much gas changed in your narratives.. 🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸. You need a good long hug!! 🎎🎎🎎🎎🎎🎎…Magna will provide for you…😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😅😅🤗🤗😣..

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Gosh is he related to Bishop David Cashman?
The Frank Dunlop speech and the George Thompson affair are very topical.

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Mulvihill @ 6.58pm I’m sure you can track down my internet like you madly claimed to do the last time.

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Some dioceses set the figure. Surely there must be sensitivity to the persons circumstances.

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Thanks. Yes that’s what I thought. We posted the intention through the letter box of the Presbytery and got a call from the Priest asking for and extra £10 (to make it £20), or he said he wouldn’t say it! Wife said we are bit short and asked could we hand it in next week, he said fine, I will put it on hold then. Just felt uncomfortable.

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Thank you, Pat. could you say it for Leon and Jacob. Thank You. I will send the money in the post

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It’s £10 throughout UK. Report that priest to the bishop. If someone can’t afford it I don’t take it. Terrible

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Yes, your Grace, Our Lord did indeed display scenes of rightious indignation – when occasion demanded.
Loud and captivating – with a cheeky and are of sincerity.
Here is my most favourite piece from Motzart’s sacred repitiore!
https://youtu.be/DlIPyey3_YY
Enjoy! x

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Its official Pat no seminarians in the Irish College for this or next year. Xxxxx loved Rome, the saunas just 5 min walk from the Irish College.

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