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MARY MC ALEESE CONDEMNS CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR “INTRINSICALLY EVIL” TEACHINGS ON HOMOSEXUALITY.

The former Irish president warned of the damaging impact the church is having on Ireland younger LGBT community.

FORMER PRESIDENT Mary McAleese has described the Catholic Church’s teachings around homosexuality as “intrinsically evil” and amounting to homophobia, suggesting it “empowers the homophobic bully”. 

The Belfast-born law lecturer who served as President of Ireland for two terms between 1997 and 2011 has long been vocal about LGBT rights and the influence of the Catholic Church in Ireland. 

In a podcast interview with David Watters ahead of last weekend’s Pride celebrations, McAleese reiterated her concerns for the impact the Church has had on members of that community before and after decriminalisation of homosexuality in 1993

“The Church’s teaching on homosexuality is ignorant, it is unreconstructive in the life of science, it’s sad to say. It has never been looked at in the light of the new sciences and it’s not only a pity, it’s worse than that,” she said. 

“The church describes homosexual acts as intrinsically evil. I would regard the Church’s teaching as disorderly and intrinsically evil. Why is it intrinsically evil? Because it conduces to homophobia.

“Look at the language that is used – ‘the homosexuality is disordered’. Who wants to believe that their God-given nature is disordered? That homosexual acts, how they express their love in a loving relationship, for example… that that is regarded as intrinsically evil. I don’t think so.”

“And that by its nature… that language of evil and disordered trickles down into the thinking and it empowers the homophobe, it empowers the homophobic bully. It gives him or her permission to be homophobic and I think the church has got to answer that.” 

McAleese was also critical of the Vatican and Pope Francis, who many see as a more progressive and open-minded Pope than his predecessors, but added some bishops and cardinals across Europe have begun a more positive conversation around the approach of the church to the LGBT community.

“Certain bishops, particularly in Germany and certain cardinals have been champions in this regard, and I think I see in them the green shoots of a future open debate, but let me go back to Francis.

“Alot of people will say ‘Oh wasn’t it wonderful when he said who am I to judge’. Well I was not at all impressed by that, I was angered by it because he does judge. He is the supreme judge of the Church. He is the legislator, he is the judge. If there is something wrong with the law, the only way it can be changed in the Church is if he changes it.

“He is the person who presides over the law that uses these awful phrases ‘intrinisically evil, intrinsically disordered’, he presides over that. He cannot have it both ways but there is a long tradition in the church of having it both ways.”

The 67-year-old also spoke about her own self-education and motivations to become a vocal supporter of LGBT rights as far back as the 1970s. 

“I’ve always been human rights conscious and civil rights conscious, that’s why I did law. You know, a Catholic from Belfast, that’s our thing and so when I came to Trinity in ’75, I moved to Trinity and took up a job there as a law lecturer,” she said. 

“One of the first friends I made there was David Norris and we got chatting and one of the first debates I ever attended was on LGBTI rights… David and I got together and chatted about [it], we’re talking about a time when homosexual acts were criminalised, can you imagine the impact of that on people.

“The one thing I knew was there was something seriously wrong here. In all my life, I’m happily married here for over 40 years to the man that I met when I was 17, I’ve never been attracted to another women.

“I’ve only been attracted to men, not a whole lot of men incidentally… and I remember saying to myself ‘what must it be like to be attracted to another human being and to know that you can’t go there’.”

PAT SAYS

I have never been a natural fan of Mary McAleese.

I still remember all her years as an RCC ass licker.

Has her son’s coming out made her more gay friendly?

But, actually, all she says about the RCC’s crazy teachings on homosexuality are good and accurate.

The fact that the Irish people voted so strongly for same sex marriage shows that the RCC is at odds with the modern, scientific world.

Civil law should hold the RCC nose to the grindstone  on these matters and stop the RCC putting its homophobia into practice in the social sphere.

And the great contradiction of course is the fact that the RCC is the biggest gay club in the world when it comes to its bishops and priests.

PAT BEING INTERVIEWED AFTER THE PUBLICATION OF HIS BOOK: A THORN IN THE SIDE – GERRY KELLY – ULSTER TELEVISION- 27.5.1994.

92 replies on “MARY MC ALEESE CONDEMNS CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR “INTRINSICALLY EVIL” TEACHINGS ON HOMOSEXUALITY.”

Pat Buckley ffs, you and McAleese make perfect bed fellows. You can’t make up your mind on which side of the bed/argument you are on! Priceless! If only you realised what she has said about you in private to people like Cahal Daly and Sean Brady. Will you ever wise up and realise what a fool she has made you and others out to be. She is a total charlatan and has become a laughing stock. You have fallen for it as most idiots do. You ate not going to win many friends over on this one.

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Pat, I would love to make a comment on this blog. But if I put my name to it I’d be called in. And yes, it is 0.41am and I am drunk. Before those people ask.
Drunk as a skunk. I love skunks.
Pat’s blog does give light to many good discussions.
I love Pat Buckley. A good man.
God bless him and save him.
Jesus Mary and Joseph. I give you my heart and my soul.

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What sex obsessed nutter writes that newsletter ? What a pile of crap. God, can you imagine what the writers are like ? Swivel eyed traditionalist loons with an obsession with other peoples’ sexuality, homosexuality and masturbation. God, get a life, please ! Does Fr David Marsden write for this rag ? It seems the kind of thing he would get involved with.

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Ad hominem. The Father’s house has many mansions, but then again, Pat is the only liberal I’ve met who is genuinely liberal. Usually liberals are pleasant up to the point that you disagree with them, then they get abusive, shut people down, doxx them and try to get people sacked, all the while telling themselves that they are the “nice” people.

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I disagree with the Editor of CTS on many issues. But she is entitled to her views and to express them

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This edition has 24 references to “gay” and 25 to “homosexual.” Multiple references to “sodomite” abound in archived additions.

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I never got into bed with her 😃 I had dialogue with a fellow Christian with very different views to myself. Is that not what the Lord wants his followers to do?

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It’s a bi-monthly rag, so in September expect to read comments from contributors such as the old closet queen, RCAVictor, or the old hag from Hicksville in America, Crofterlady. CatholicConvert was another regular, but he’s back trolling the gents again.

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All I can say is that I have found her very pleasant to date and we have a lunch date when I’m next in Scotland.

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She’s either mentally ill or malicious: she craves attention and will turn on you as soon as look at you. No offence, but she’ll regard you as a ‘useful idiot’.

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Littleton wrote to Catholic Truth Scotland about the poor treatment of traditionalist clergy (Fr Mark Higgins) in Southwark Archdiocese a few years ago. It’s in the archives.

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@ 11:49 – yes, I guess as much that Littleplonker would be a fan of this CTS crap. Is this Fr Higgins another maniple wearing idiot who doesn’t know his Latin but prances around like he’s from the 18th century ? Poor + Wilson, he’s got a dearth of talent down there in Southwark. Look at the idiot he’s just had to appoint rector of Wonersh ! I can’t say + Wilson’s recommendation of him is exactly enthusiastic. Read between the lines: …..https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/39874

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Fact one: On discovering her own son was gay….she was not a bit pleased….gave him quite the difficult time after he had dispatched the (….. ) from a particular place in the Aras. The finer details are…………….. She was only ever interested in one thing…….
She speaks like the Primate of Ireland ( Dublin): out of both sides of her mouth.
Fact two: As President of Ireland, she wrote to Rome asking for a certain person to be made a bishop…..that person still enjoys Bradys favour …..he has a tea connection.
A Charlatan indeed…..fooled them all…right the way back to Trinity…….theres a ‘ tale’….

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I also wrote to the papal nuncio recommending a particular person be made a bishop. What’s wrong with that?

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Who did McUseless ask to be made a bishop?
Fill us in on the detail

A useless president – never should have got it – did nothing to deserve it and never saw her condemn the Catholic Church during those 14 years – sucked up to them – bloody hypocrite she is

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Dismantle the Church? It’s been tried often, but the alternative inspires horror, which is why we see Catholic Restorations again and again. Better to reform the Church, which is what Mary McA is attempting, and which would be highly beneficial to all those suffering from Catholic homophobia and misogyny. By the way, Fr Mulvihill’s cynical comments fall flat in face of the McAleese family’s loving unity as seen on the Late Late Show a few months ago.

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9.55, what? You actually listen to Taylor Marshall?

You’re easily led. 😅

He, and the rug-wearin’ ex-queen, Michael Voris, are pals.

You keep great company. 😕

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Power to Mary McAleese!
The RCC is increasingly been called out not only for its homophobia, but for its moral and intellectual backwardness.
It is great to see oor Mary’s calling out Pope Francis for the liar and hypocrite he actually is.
🎶Run Rome run Rome
Run, run, run
Look what you’ve been gone and done, done, done 🎶

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Flight delay !!! Lol Lol

The closing of the embassy was because Mc Aleese wanted( was working on ensuring it ) the job…..neither the Irish Government at the time nor the Vatican wanted her…its closing suited everybody !!!! She never got over it…..

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McAleese speaks living truth to failing power. Of course the homophobes and clericalists will scream.

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Why, oh why, does England need five seminaries – Oscott, Allen Hall, Wonersh, Venerable, Beda, plus various other institutions for the propedeutic year etc ? How many men are rattling around in these places, at great expense ? It’s nuts. Why can’t the bishops get their acts together and rationalise the whole estate and training system, and make it effective and efficient. At the moment our seminaries are turning out not fit for purpose priests.

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Well I am shocked just shows Pat Buckley would go any level.
Catholic Truth Scotland should have been named Buckley’s Blog.
I thought and see Pat doing Vatican Two Masses yet that CTS is total SSPX.
Oh my what a shock with the link Never in a million years is Bishop Pat like Patricia and her crew or the SSPX.
Copied and pasted from this blog.
Catholic truth Society and crew are completely ignored straight into the shredder.
Mother Burkes crew hope it is not going to be Mother Buckley’s crew.

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I’ve seen some of her SSPX flaming fruitbars crossing the road, kicking their legs their height, near their church in St Leonards Street in Edinburgh.

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Contrary Mary said bullies. Thumb on the button.She is right. But hi it’s not just Church there are extremists all over society who need taking down a peg or two. As for ripping named individuals to pieces on here. Pack it in boys girls or whoever ye are. I’m sure tis not legal judge

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Civil court date in next few days, could do with as much assistance as possible.
My family are in tatters because of the clerical abuse and their attempts at covering up this abuse. Cannot take this being silenced much more.
Please help x

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@4:09pm
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
“All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.”
― Mother Julian of Norwich, Revelations of Divine Love
He who would valiant be
‘gainst all disaster,
let him in constancy
follow the Master.
There’s no discouragement
shall make him once relent
his first avowed intent
to be a pilgrim.
Who so beset him round
with dismal stories
do but themselves confound
his strength the more is.
No foes shall stay his might;
though he with giants fight,
he will make good his right
to be a pilgrim.
Since, Lord, thou dost defend
us with thy Spirit,
We know we at the end,
shall life inherit.
Then fancies flee away!
I’ll fear not what men say,
I’ll labor night and day
to be a pilgrim.
John Bunyan
With Love & Prayers…

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@ 11.01pm
Thank you for your kind words.
Yes, love and truth are triumphant, history heralds these x

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Mary Mary, Quite Contrary, has expressed her hatred of and disquiet about the church’s teaching on sexuality.many. tmes before. She has been featured on this blog before for precisely the same opinions. What’s new from Mary the moaner? Nothing. Thus the boredom of the blog today. Muss Mc does not enjoy the adulation of Catholics or other groups since she left office….she should go and help Br. Kevin’s Day at Church St.

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She is doing a great service to the lgbt community and to the church by pointing out again and again and again that homophobia and misogyny are unacceptable, and the monuments to them must come down. Most Catholics agree with her.

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I shudder to think what would be the case if the editor of CTS ever had a gay friend or relative. I doubt she’d show compassion. I do wonder if she can’t accept her own sexuality, thus it is her life mission to out the gay Glaswegian clergy?

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That’s right she must be a repressed Lesbian because she’s published in the public arena the hypocrisy and exploitation of catholic priests who don’t have any qualms with ignoring their vows and clearly have a tenuous relationship with their own conscience.

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Should we not be discussing the ladies views and words rather than speculating on her sexuality.

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The psychosexual profile of Catholic Truth contributors is all over the shop. Maybe you should do a blog on that? At least two of her regular half dozen posters have first hand experience of ‘same sex attraction’. Plenty of juicy goss to be had there! The curtain twitchers would have a field day!

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How can the Church teach something evil ? It’s not evil to say that marriage between a man and a woman is in the natural order and has been elevated from a contact to a means of grace by Christ and that the Christian tradition has consistently valued virginity, chastity and celibacy alongside monogamous marriage. It’s a belief system that many people reject as outmoded but it’s not evil. The majority of the worlds population is heterosexual that’s why gay people are always understood as a minority.

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The church has OFTEN taught evil things, such as that Jews are blind and godkillers and must be held in perpetual servitude, or that buying and selling slaves is perfectly compatible with divine and natural law. See Paul IV in 1555 and Pius IX in 1866.

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I think we are all better saying we are TRYING to be Christian’s.
The basics are what Jesus said- love God and love your neughbour.

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Pat, you and I as priests are committed above all else to live the Love of God and Love of neighbour imperative….these two are intertwined explicitly. While all of us must call out wrongdoing and sinful criminality and corruption wherever they are found, surely a minister of the gospel of Christ must exercise mercy at all times. If we believe in the ultimacy of God’s justice at the end of our lives, then you and I should not abrogate to ourselves a merciless judgment. We can advise about the right course of action; we trust that civil law will be effective where approproate: we can exoress an opinion but we are not, by virtue of supposedly being an alter Christus through ordination, give ourselves a role of throwing those who fail
morally, spiritually or ethically to the wolves nor can we ever smash people into the ground by our assumed superior way of life. I try to treat all with respect and discern very wisely how far I go in my compassion and mercy. Sometimes you and I just have to embrace very bruised and broken people, even clerics. That acceptance is not a condoning of any crime or wrongdoing. When is mercy or compassion for Christ’s followers to stop?? We shouldn’t use the failures of anyone to humiliate them further, nor to drive a vengeful agenda.

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8.24: A good post. Despite all our own individual failings, sinfulness and moral imperfections, God sees our innate goodness and our potential for good, to live to the best of our human ability. Those of us who dare to wear symbols of Christ’s ministry must do a justice to Christ. We are called sometimes to bind up and bandage wounds with heart compassion, not to open them with a sledge hammer: we are called to advise people wisely and prayerfully, even in their sinfulness, and not ignomimioysly shame them in public. We are asked to give mercy, not judgment. Name and shame is the cry of the lynch mob. Pat prefers their approach than the Jesus approach of having table fellowship with potential converts…..and when Jesus sat with rejects, the cast aside, the mocked and judged, the ridiculed, he made a difference to their lives. They walked away new people. A parable for the apparatchiks of harsh methods – the way of Jesus is our pathway and we must learn it anew. How about it Pat?

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All of the faithful are called to love God and then love their neighbour, a priest has a vocation which is calling him even further towards perfection. God will judge sinners that’s a constant throughout the scriptures, who are these imaginary people harshly judging others ? If you had been the victim of a sexual assault by a priest you would want to protect others not just feel compassion for the sinner, this is the problem it seems like the compassion and ‘brokenness’ is all in one direction it’s to keep the sufferers in a passive state and letting the perpetrators get a warped view of the seriousness of their offence. Some of the cases raised on this blog are not about people being bruised or clericalism or whatever is thrown up as an excuse it’s about real injustice that needs to be challenged not dampened down

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There were some allegations of the kind. He used to throw chairs at the boys if they sang a note wrong. Old pig.

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Quite a lot of beatings. Bishop Accountability’s Abuse Tracker carried excerpts of reports. No doubt their index will give you some likely dates.
What is the most egregious of all is the delicate missions entrusted to already known very badly compromised individuals – “franch lessons” Cormac (that story has a W. angle – no wonder nerves are shivery there), and a New Jersey crime boss.
Did Cowderoy shift (nearly) all his “awkward” priests to the western sector before partition? The witness’ diaries and memoirs should have been analysed, and them interviewed, before their decease.

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McUseless should go away and be quiet – should never have been president – utter disgrace she ever got the FF nomination. Talks crap out of both sides of her mouth

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Fabulous to see your mum on the screen! By the time she’s had her say you are definitely the victim of the seven-minute interview!

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