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CATHOLIC TRUTH SCOTLAND AND THEIR CORRESPONDENCE WITH A ROMAN SEMINARIAN.

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“In our January 2019 (Issue #109) edition [available to download from our archives on the Newsletter page of our website),  and on this blog here, we published an email exchange between the Editor and an un-named seminarian at the Venerable English College in Rome (VEC) on the subject of the seminarian’s public support for “the gay culture” on social media outlets.  

Editor wrote to him expressing concern for the screen shots [and other material] she’d received from a concerned English reader, showing him, for example, ‘liking’ a “gay” club in Bristol on Facebook.

The club’s blasphemous name is ‘OMG’ – a common abbreviation for Oh My God – with the ‘g’ showing horns and a halo above…demonic. The seminarian also advertised the fact that he was on a [gay] “Pride” committee, while on Twitter he appears to support “gay marriage”.

Initially, he replied to say that he now accepted the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. At around the same time, a veritable tsunami of homosexual scandals involving homosexually active seminarians, priests and bishops hit the headlines and even Pope Francis was quoted as saying, behind closed doors to the Italian Bishops gathered for their plenary assembly, that it was necessary to “put the brakes” on “welcoming too many homosexuals” into seminaries. 

Editor, therefore, wrote to the English seminarian again, quoting the Vatican Instruction ‘Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders’. She highlighted the following key part of that document: The Church cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders, those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called “gay culture”.

Editor now asked the seminarian to reconsider his position, promising to maintain anonymity at that time – hoping that he would realise that proceeding to ordination was the wrong thing to do. When he failed to reply to that request, she wrote to the authorities in the VEC: Monsignor Philip Whitmore, Archdiocese of Westminster, seminary rector; Fr John Flynn, Diocese of Salford, vice-rector; Fr John Metcalfe, Diocese of Hallam, Pastoral Director; Fr James McAuley, Diocese of Portsmouth, Academic Tutor; Fr Anthony Doe, Archdiocese of Westminster, Spiritual Director. This, in order to make sure that they were aware of the line of communication with the seminarian, and to remind them of the Church’s criteria for the discernment of vocations with regards to varying levels of homosexual tendency.

No replies were received from any of those concerned. The seminarian – Alexander Balzanella – was later ordained deacon, and is now proceeding towards ordination to the priesthood…

From the website of the Archdiocese of Westminster – 30/08/2019

Bishop Alan Hopes of East Anglia ordained Alexander Balzanella to the diaconate on Sunday 14th July at the Church of Our Lady of Snows Chapel in Villa Palazolla, just outside Rome. Alex is a Westminster seminarian studying at the Venerable English College (VEC) in Rome…(Rome ordination for Deacon Alex, published on the website of the Diocese of Westminster).  

Of course, homosexual priests, or those who support “the gay culture” are no longer making headline news anywhere, apparently welcomed as such by hierarchy and laity alike. However, we believe that, in the interests of transparency, for the sake of those few remaining Catholics who seek to avoid such influences over themselves and their children, we are now duty-bound to reveal the identity of the seminarian-now-deacon whom we reported back in 2019 for his public support of the “gay culture”. For senior churchmen, keeping the rules these days seems restricted to keeping the “Covid-19” rules – not the Church’s rules on admission to seminaries and certainly not the rules put in place by God – the Ten Commandments, the moral law.

Contrary, therefore, to what our enemies will claim, identifying this new deacon will not be to his detriment at all. If anything, we can look forward to writing a few lines of introduction to the new Bishop, if not Cardinal, Balzanella. Reflect…   Taken from Catholic Truth newsletter, July 2020, Issue No. 118, p.12

Comment from Editor…

As linked in the introduction above, we previously discussed this scandal in November, 2018 here

At that time, I asked bloggers to refrain from speculating as to the identity of the then seminarian, now deacon.  In this conversation, I would ask that the House rule prohibiting personal remarks be honoured, and that we all stick to the key issue which is the flouting, by bishops and senior seminary staff, of the Church’s directive on admission to seminaries: they are expected to  refuse admission to anyone who supports the so-called “gay culture”. (Vatican). 

Alexander Balzanella supported the “gay culture” during his seminary training at the Venerable English College in Rome.  If his superiors did not know about this, which is unlikely, it was drawn to their attention through the Catholic Truth correspondence.  Yet, in defiance of the Church’s prohibition on admitting to seminary and to Holy Orders those known to support the “gay culture”, he was ordained to the diaconate in the Diocese of Westminster. 

Manifestly, the hierarchy in Westminster (and the senior seminary staff) do not think it matters whether they ordain deacons and priests who support the “gay culture” (“Pride” events, nightclubs, “gay marriage”, whatever). 

Given the above email exchanges in the Case of Alexander Balzanella Vs the Church’s Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies…  it seems clear that no lessons at all have been learned from previous scandals in seminaries, such as those documented in the book Goodbye, Good Men by Michael S. Rose, or following the defrocking of the American Cardinal [now Mr] McCarrick in the USA. 

Instead, the homosexualisation of the priesthood continues apace. But, does it really matter?  Is it wrong to highlight the issue?  Would you want to know if your priest/deacon had a history of supporting the “gay culture”? Last but by no means least, would you want to know if your bishop ignored the Church’s criteria for seminary admission and ordination”?

PAT SAYS

Has Catholic Truth Scotland the right to contact seminarians and priests to challenge them on their sexuality or attitudes to sexuality?

Yes, they have. First of all it is a free country and all of us as citizens are entitled to express our thoughts and opinions on matters of concern to us.

Secondly  the members of CTS are members of the church and are part of the People of God.

The People of God are entitled to express their thoughts on matters concerning God and the church.

The teaching of the RCC is that gay men not be admitted to seminaries.

It is also part of the official teaching that men who support the gay culture are not to be accepted into seminaries.

The fact that the hierarchy and clergy are ignoring these teachings is very disengenious.

They should either change the teaching or abide by it.

How would it work in the English Football League if clubs accepted the rules of soccer intellectually but did not put them into practice on the pitch?

Would it not lead to confusion, tension and all kinds of trouble?

The RCC is a Gay friendly clerical club with anti gay teachings.

The Faithful find that disturbing and confusing.

And, of course, they will protest.

228 replies on “CATHOLIC TRUTH SCOTLAND AND THEIR CORRESPONDENCE WITH A ROMAN SEMINARIAN.”

I’m happy that this seminarian was ordained deacon; I’m confident that he will soon be ordained priest.
It is clearly the will of God.

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Holy Church says that we (layfolk) aren’t priests (as believers) and haven’t any vocation.
This is Alexander Balzanella’s only chance to even be a christian.

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‘’The teaching of the RCC is that gay men not be admitted to seminaries’’
No, the consensus is that you should not admit gay men who have been sexually actively. You are equating the orientation of a person with acting out the sexual tendencies of that orientation. You are subtly homophobic.

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That’s false. The Church has always excluded men with homosexual tendencies from ordination, sexually active or not. Indeed it used to be that if two seminarians were found together in the same bedroom, even if it were perfectly innocent, they were dismissed from the seminary. You need to brush up on your Church history

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Wrong, the Church’s document on the Criteria for discerning vocations to the priesthood is that anyone with homosexual tendencies….including “support for the so-called gay culture.”
Look it up…
PS homophobic means “fear of men”. To date, I’ve not met any man who could instill fear in my humble soul. He doesn’t exist. Trust me on this…

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9.47, don’t persist in your stupidity. You know very well the attributed meaning of ‘homophobia’.

You’re not being smart; just idiotic.

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Pat. Lay off him. Yes, he is a very attractive man, but he is hugely gifted, intelligent, he has a wonderful personality and will make a wonderful Priest. Like you, God has called him.

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He’s definitely hotter than Littlwank ! Power Bottom JPL would surely like to make his acquaintance if he has not already done so. But how long after ordination will he hang around ? Longevity is not a characteristic of the newly ordained these days. People like Alex are feted when they are seminarians – talented, good looking, bright, able etc – but when they hit the grim wall of reality in some parish they don’t last too long. Come back in 5 years and see what has happened to him.

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Since when did God call people in the basis of their intellegence and wornderful personality? I’m quite sure those particular human qualities were seen also in Judas. A wonderful priest is a man who is pure of heart, chaste in body, utterly dedicated to prayer and penance, free of all lust and filth. What you describe is a half decent social worker!

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I would suggest you have a strnage morality if you believe the “old woman” and not the “young man” to be the “abhorrent” individual. What kind of people gather on this site, I’ve rarely read such evil things?

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7.20, what kind of people gather on this site?
Reading the nature of YOUR comments on the blog today, I, too, am wondering.😄

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Anonymous @ 8.16pm
Me? “An old woman”? Well, sure, I’ve never been asked for ID in the supermarket when buying alcohol or knives (don’t ask) but before writing me off altogether, you need to put my age together with my startling good looks, my high intelligence and my GSOH. Not to mention my fashion sense. Gimme a break…

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My comment at 9.39pm was meant as a response to the very first Anonymous’s comment revealing Alex’s ordination as the will of God.
Anyway, glad to correct a spelling error – “Anonymouses” should, of course, read “Anonymice”… 😉

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Alex is a good, kind and faithful man, who will be a great priest. These things which are being dug up are clearly from many years ago. Charity and justice demand that they be seen from this perspective. Alex is not a man who is persistently ‘liking’ and promoting things which cause scandal.
It is extremely uncharatible to publicly expose Alex like this, when he has been resoloutely clear regarding his beliefs with regards to the Church’s Magisterium in relation to Faith and Morals. Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future. An indescretion years ago in the past, perhaps in youthful naivity, which the man has clearly expressed repentence for, should not be used to beat him over the head for the rest of his life.

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You don’t seem to understand that anyone who has liked anything remotely asscoiated with the homosexual lifestyle is highly suspect and can never be morally trusted to undergo priestly ordination. This is the wisdom of the Church over many centuries, before modern emotionalism supplanted it.

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Anonymous @11.35pm
You are missing the point. “Exposing” (as you put it – I’d say “reporting”) Alex for his support of the “gay culture, won’t do him any harm at all in terms of his “career” prospects. Far from it. Read Goodbye, Good Men, and see who got promoted. It wasn’t the few lads who slipped through the Lavendar/pink net and were found praying their rosaries in front of a statue of Our Lady which they salvaged from a packed cupboard (actually happened in a Scottish seminary) – No, those are the seminarians who are made to suffer in seminaries. Not the homosexuals.
Don’t you worry about Alex. He’ll be fine (in this world).

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Sorry Patricia, I think you’re way out of line and need to go and seriously examine your Catechism (particularly the bits relating to calumny and detraction).

You lied to Alex and deliberately deceived him regarding your guarantee of anonymity. In doing so, you deprived him of his right to a good name. Shame on you!

I, like all faithful Catholics, fully support the Magisterial teaching that those with deep-seated homosexual tendencies are inadmissible to the priesthood. I fully support all that the Church has set out regarding the admission of such men to seminaries and the duties and the responsibilities of seminary formators when dealing with these cases.

The case you have identified here does not expose any behaviour which identifies a deep-seated, grave and persistent problem. You have identified a few one-off incidents of support on social-media from YEARS ago, which I would argue clearly fall into the category of a “transitory issue”. As I said in my last post, Alex is good, kind and holy man. He does not in anyway self-identify with or push the LGBTQI+ cause. He does not behave in any way like the people cited in “Goodbye Good Men”. He is a good man and will be a good priest.

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Anonymous @ l1:12am
You call ME a liar and then lecture ME about calumny and detraction?!
Your reading skills need attention. I did not “deliberately deceive him” by initially promising anonymity. I admitted in my subsequent email that I was wrong to so readily dismiss the Church’s document on the criteria … that, following the tsunami of homosexual priest scandals (McCarrick et al), my conscience bothered me and so, rather than immediately publish his name etc, I hoped he would have sufficient integrity to reconsider his position, that I could no longer justify keeping silent on his support of the so-called “gay culture”.
And whether his support for the “gay culture” was years ago or not is irrelevant (my highly reliable sources assure me that he was known as a homosexual when an intern in Westminster, even before he went to Rome); “liking” a ‘gay club’ on Facebook may be considered a minor indiscretion, if that curdles your coffee, but membership of Pride Committees suggests commitment. Not acceptable in any priest.
“Alex is good, kind and holy man…” you say, but since you accuse me of “deliberate deceit” and lying, you’ll forgive me if I don’t take your word for that, or anything else for that matter.

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Pat, I am a priest, I was deceived into trusting another priest with my personal issues (depression). The bastard told the bishop. How is this right Pat. It was hard enough before, now it’s just worse. I’m still running a large parish no prob. I won’t let them drag me down.

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Alex will be ordained by Cardinal Vincent Nichols at Westminster Cathedral on Saturday 19th September. All welcome. Maybe you should visit Pat?

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It would be wonderful if, on that divinely ordained occasion, Fr Alex publicly forgived and prayed for his detractors, and would-be (but failed 😅) blackmailers.

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Cardinal Vincent Nichols is about as Catholic as my office chair. This is the man who laid flowers at the altar of a false deity in a Hindu temple. I wouldn’t walk my dog near Westminster Cathedral!

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Dear Pat,
CTS do not represent the whole people of God. They are a neo-subsection of the wider people of God. They alone have no authority to dictate who is ordained and who is not. Truth be known, the vast majority of lay faithful do not care if a priest is gay or straight. They do not care if priests are celibate or not. They want a priest who can walk with them. Bishop Pat is living proof that a gay man can be a priest and be accepted by a community.
The culture of chastity and celibacy is slowly changing and dying in the Catholic Church. It has run past its sell by date. This is happening from within and that is Gods will. Yes the priesthood attracts gay men but that is because God IS calling gay men. If you believe in Gods will then surely this must be in his will too? God is changing the Church by making the Church face its own reality.
I welcome that Bishops are welcoming gay men. That was not possible in your day Pat and you personally suffered in your time but it is a monumental change today and you should welcome it. CTS are the equivalent of the Muslim moral police – they would stone a gay to death if they had the means, ability and power. They are no friend of yours, the enemy of your enemy is still your enemy.

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Have you noticed they’re both called Pat; Pat Buckley and Pat McKeever. Both fagbaggers for different reasons, but still fagbaggers all the same.

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Seems like you’re trying to convince yourself more than anyone else. Your comment reads like a transcript from the Screwtape letters! Yet more evidence of the modern rebellion against all that is holy.

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Anonymous @ 12:31,
You are definitely correct about the majority of faithful not caring if a priest is sexually active in any direction (you mention only two…) That is a result of decades of failed religious education in both schools and pulpits. Teachers and priests have been malformed in their training for many years now, and it’s showing through in the religious illiteracy across Christendom.
I think you elevate Catholic Truth well above what we deserve. We are neither a “sub-section” [of the Church] or “the equivalent of the Muslim moral police”.
We are just ordinary baptised and confirmed Catholics who – by virtue of our Baptism and Confirmation – have a duty to defend and promote the Faith. That’s all. All Catholics have the same duty.
It so happens that we find ourselves living through the worst ever crisis to afflict the Church and so the manifestation of that basic duty is sometimes more distasteful than in the days when we were simply promoting the family rosary and offering miraculous medals to the street women by the River Clyde.
So, we’re not “moral police” – just ordinary Catholics appalled at the depravity around us in the world at large, and scandalised to find the same depravity now deeply entrenched within the Church.

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So Alexander Balzanella was ordained by the bishop of East Anglia….same diocese as Fr. Goldilock mentioned a few days ago.

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Anyone else on here feel like they’ve burned the equivalent of three years’ worth of adrenaline in the space of three months?

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Sounds like a fine fellow to me. Martel’s book convinces me that gay priests, bishops, and cardinals are now a banal phenomenon, and that openness and acceptance is to be prescribed all round.

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“The teaching of the RCC is that gay men not be admitted to seminaries. It is also part of the official teaching that men who support the gay culture are not to be accepted into seminaries. The fact that the hierarchy and clergy are ignoring these teachings is very disengenious. They should either change the teaching or abide by it.”
What about the teaching of John XXIII that seminarists should study in Latin? It’s in an Encyclical not a low-level document from some bureaucratic office in Vatican City.
Let the dead letter stay dead. And you can set up other forms of ministry to supplement the gay clergy.

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“The Faithful find that disturbing and confusing.” Actually, the main article says the opposite:
“Of course, homosexual priests, or those who support “the gay culture” are no longer making headline news anywhere, apparently welcomed as such by hierarchy and laity alike.” Its only a gaggle of homophobes who are making a fuss.

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Anonymous @ 10.08am
I prefer a rational argument. As Our Lord said in another context, if there is something wrong in what I have said, point it out. If not, why do you strike me?
Silly name-calling only makes YOU look daft. Me? “Sticks and Stones…” springs to mind.

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That’s an understanding of the will of God as fate! Pat puts it in the simplest way either accept and conform to those rules and morals publicly upheld by the Church in a spirit of fidelity or lobby for change and until that change comes either live publicly to your position or become part of a Non Catholic Christianity were you won’t be hypocritical. The gay men in the seminaries today are not tortured or conflicted they have the faith of a good layman living in a totally secular culture they are never going to see their lives in need of purging of worldliness and that’s fine but it’s going to continue the shallowness of the Church at a point of unsurpassed decline

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It is immoral to live by unjust rules if you know that they are immoral.
If you were in a club that barred admssion to black people, Chinese etc, would you honour those rules if you were the admissions officer?

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Reading about Nigerian priests having a chip on their shoulders-who is surprised? A nation colonised, enslaved and oppressed by white men! As the oppression of women gave rise to feminism, starvation in Ireland gave rise to anti-British sentiment, so the rape of China by European countries 150 years ago is having consequences now.
If it is true about Nigerian priests,the sadness is that formation in a seminary should have helped with these men’s human formation, identifying their difficulty and guiding them to a more wholesome love of all men (shall we say all humans?). Is the claimed situation particular to the South East?

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I can’t be bothered to read through all the CTS claptrap. It is angry, simplistic, black and white, so sure of itself, and incapable of any flexibility or nuance. That is not how life, people, the Church or God should be about.
However, on the issue of sexuality and priesthood, I have a very simple view. I do not necessarily believe in the Church’s rather simplistic and evidently erroneous understanding of sexuality and sex and the moral weight it invests in such things. I would want a thoroughgoing review and updating so that the Church’s teaching on these matters is more inclusive and welcoming and looks for the good in people and their sexuality and relationships, rather than that which excludes them.
Nevertheless, if the Church insists on this way of seeing sexuality and sex and decides that it will apply these principles to priests – namely chastity, celibacy, etc. – then it can do so as part of its criteria for who can be ordained a priest. The priest in his turn freely and fully should understand the obligation he is undertaking. And, he should be expected to fulfil that obligation, no matter what his sexual orientation. Simple. If he does not want to do that then he should not be ordained. Hopefully, one day the Church will have moved in to a more enlightened understanding of sex and sexuality, but until it does, then I’m afraid priests are required to uphold their promises. Not to do so diminishes them and the Church. Simple.

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It simple, stupid… @ 8.37am
If I hear that one more time… “angry”! A visitor to the Catholic Truth blog asked me the other day why I was always so angry. My reply?
How long have you got!
Gerragrip.

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It is healthy and quite natural for one seminarian to have a crush on another. The subject of the adulation can feel quite flattered.Nothing wrong with this. If the acting out of these feeling leads the seminarian to go out of his way to visit the gym, which he would normally not frequent, at the time his object of strong emotions was exercising-well nothing too strange about that! If he starts to ogle his subject’s crotch while he is exercising and drooling over it then the situation has developed in to lust. Should the guy then start talking in sexualised language about homosexual practices this could be regarded as grooming. If the subject were a 21 year old virgin with no homosexual tendencies this could be regarded as an attempted perversion.

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It’s hardly going to help the vocations shortage if the formerly subliminal and now strongly overt message is that only gay men need apply.

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Anonymous 8:49 am – If the acting out of these feeling leads the seminarian to go out of his way to visit the gym,
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I doubt if the problem is with visiting the gym. The more likely danger is the alcohol-fuelled socialising in the seminary’s bar.

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8.49, your distinctions are valuable. Yet if friendly emotions are to be dignified by the term “crush” it looks to me like a (perhaps at first small) manic symptom. I’ve seen huge harm done to religions by mania and it isn’t diagnosed or treated by the NHS.

Then the lengthy beer sessions are devoid of reference to both sexes as per balance in society (even in spit and sawdust days boozing revolved a fair bit around “‘er indoors”). Both the thirst for beer and the consequences of its consuming are – often enough – connected to mania as cause or effect.

Church authorities, trained to recognise only superficial mimetics (and dialectics), mistake manic tendency for enthusiasm, and the suavity of a Cormac for virtue. Dour priests seem boring but they are more likely to survive in the mad, mad, mad world.

Evidently Alexander is vivacious, and nothing wrong with that. But is he doing more than pushing a meme, and is more required from Rome than a pincer movement? For us to overload him – prematurely – with the unresolved contradictions in the current priest concept would be bad for his own health. (At any rate some people are implying the fancy-dress incident was a long time ago.)

Hence the essence of the system is bound to trip up just about all new priests and not only the ones with convoluted sexual hangups.

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Of course there is nothing wrong with Alexander. However, he now says he accepts the RCC’s teaching on homosexuality – but does he believe it? I very much doubt it, and would be far more concerned if he did! I have little in common with CTS but they are exposing the monstrous hypocrisy within the RCC.

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Still wants to be ordained though. It shows a lack of integrity to say something you don’t believe in order to be ordained and it has the mindset of seeing priesthood as a prize.

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A lack of integrity? What? Being honest with himself at least?
You’ve lost me: where’s the lack of integrity?
If the Church is placing moral obstacles in the way of seminarians through wrong teaching, who is primarily to blame if a seminarian lies to others (but not to himself) in order to fulfil a vocation God has given him? It is the Church, of course.

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True in one way.
But, I never engaged in sexual activity in the seminary and regarded impure thoughts at the time to be serious sins needing immediate Confession before receiving Holy Communion.

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11.09: I can say same as you but I was tempted.The supposed sin of unholy impurity was a frightener but confession was a safety net!

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Martel says there are three stages: sexless (as in the 1930s), homophilic (1950s) and homosexual (1970s). You want all semarians to be at stage 1 as you once were. But it looks as if graduation to stage 3 happens quickly now.

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Anonymous @ 7.34.pm
Your definition of integrity is priceless. Think it through; as long as we are “honest” (whatever that means in any given situation) then even if we break the law – any law – we are persons of integrity?
Gerragrip!

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This could have been nipped in the bud. He’s good looking, so would have had no problems getting a girlfriend, had he wanted one. At admission stage if they asked him if he’d had girlfriends and he said no, it was plain as a pikestaff that he was gay, and as Francis said, should have been turned away.

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11:44
I was indeed repressed but I was not self hating.
I agree with you that it was not healthy.
But is seminary gay knocking shop reality healthy? I dont think so.

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Isn’t the soubriquet ‘gay knocking shop’ a little flamboyant? OTT? They weren’t ALL at it, were they? They weren’t ALL queer, were they?

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You were not “repressed”, you were “oppressed” and you dealt admirably with it by prayer and the Sacraments until the devil persuaded you to surrender to your lower passions and his will. It’s nothing new in the history of fallen priests, though tragic nonetheless.

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5.32, the “soubriquet” was “seminary gay knocking shop reality” hence the meaning is that whatever extent of that specific reality that exists within those locations is unhealthy.

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2.52 because they are projected by higher authority as places that can only turn out Vatican look-alikes: either an Alter John Paul, or one of the other standard models. Moral pressure is put on ordinary men by implying one can’t be a christian if one isn’t given a so-called “vocation”. Martel, who is trained in understanding institutional dynamics, picked up frank admissions of combined misuse of power with picking on the voiceless (whatever their age), including verbally and by proxy. This was our main subject, Thursday night and much of Friday, as well as frequently before.

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It’s funny when gay people talk about phobia and prejudice when they are the most intolerant group in society. Try being old, fat, camp, Asian, or badly dressed in the gay world and see how you get on.

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I have no fear of men, which is what the word “homophobia” actually translates to. I make no secret of my opposition to homosexuality. St. Paul expresses my reason for this in Roman I, 24-27.

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3.44 this is spot-on. We established a few weeks back a future seminarian should not give away his house if he has one – no matter how “persuasive” any “lay” people get. Now if he has a normal jacket that hasn’t worn out, surely he is prudent to wear it on a March evening on Weston beach (I think this matter was suggested TO Pat by someone).
Now all the Rectors who continually facilitate all the beer-sodden debacles in all the bars in all the seminaries are obviously far more degenerate than quite a lot of the seminarians, yet they get rewarded by promotions. Far more questions ought also to be asked about far more of the VDs and assistant VDs. And does anyone know Carmel’s CV please?
To the unfairly biased among the whingers, is this because they have got something on you which they will use if you admit we are right about them. Why would you have to be seen to be diverting blame when you were just as much a victim (admittedly silly) of the alcohol poisoning culture – and all the lying theology of all “slants” – as anyone was. Obviously you are going to “go far” with spiritual command over us and you are among the not many more than 32 listed individuals. This is why I always call for lack of argument to be dissected.
Alex gets told there is no other way to even be christian, some people are saying he does have a few goodish qualities, but what about those already entrenched in string-pulling and arm-twisting, with no care for souls. (He has to be VERY careful to not join those ranks.) And anyone that abandons Canterbury on a trip ought to be treated as permanent laity.

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10.20, you really should read carefully your comments before posting them.

‘Barely concealed nonsense’ is a logical fallicy. It means that what you were referring to was concealed, though just about. In which case, how would you know whether it was nonsensical?😕

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Actually, Athanasius, homophobia translates as ‘fear of same.’ Fear of men is androphobia.
Homos (G) same
Homo – hominis (L) a human

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Actually, Athanasius, homophobia translates as ‘fear of same.’ Fear of men is androphobia.
Homos (G) same
Homo – hominis (L) a human

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Martel called it within the Rcc;
a culture of lies, duplicity, and hypocrisy as well as a culture of abusiveness.
It is now borderline farce.

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Sure they set up a golden Willie in the trevi fount hi All who saw it said stupendo. Thing is auld Willie’s seem to flop with time. Maybe they should link with Ann summers hi

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I wonder what the older priests feel about the fact that the influx of twinks has turned the priesthood into a gay profession? When they had the international gathering of sems in Maynooth the behaviour was wild.

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10:19 AM
Good Afternoon hi fly.
Begorra fly golden Willies up in Roma is the order of the day by all accounts.
Wood Ann want to link with Willie the flop or Willie with Ann bright bubbly Summers.
Thats a quare one for you to ponder. I’d have me doubts.
May the Force be with you.+
Bye bye fly hi.

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Every year Westminster Cathedral & Archbishop’s House get interns to work in comms and to help the Administrator and sub-Administrator (they get one each). Alex was the comms intern a few years ago. They always select hot young men. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

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Check out the Facebook “Westminster Vocations” page for the photo of the VEC pilgrimage to Turkey. Alex is so tall, dark and handsome. He’ll have broken many a young lady’s heart when they saw that.

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The eejit here who bangs on about the will of God has a Muslim/quietist/fatalist understanding of the will of God.

In Catholic teaching we make the distiction between God’s active will and His permissive will. If it had been the active will for the priesthood to be uphill gardenerers the Twelve would have been LGBTSJ+

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11:20

Oh, so is it now the permissively active particular will of God for the priesthood to become a gay ‘profession’?

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People like CTS say it is only the will of God when it suits their agenda. The fail to see the bigger picture – God is calling Gay men and CTS can do nothing about it. The Church will be forced to change and CTS will be forgotten 🙂

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Well well, well…
So much of the Spirit of Vatican II – and all in one place! WOW! It’s overpowering! Come back Pope John XXIII, all is forgiven!
When I get a few minutes, later, I’ll be back to bring a bit of the Spirit of Trent, so to speak, to the conversation by responding to some of the individual posts here, although I’m struggling to distinguish one “Anonymous” from another… Given that you’re all so creative with Catholic teaching and God’s moral law, I’d have thought that some of you, at least, might have been a bit more creative when choosing a username. Mind you, after reading the above, I’d recommend you steer well clear of names like Aquinas or Peter Damian… 🙂
Hang on in there… I WILL be back, because, you see, I’m SURE it’s God’s will… 🙂

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Just because someone unsuitable decides he wants to be a priest, and compromised formators and bishops allow it, does not make it God’s will. Otherwise you would have to say that it was God’s will that Fr Brendan Smyth was ordained. God can permit something to happen, eg sin, but does not will it.
That little fusspot Whitmore, the most socially ill-at-ease priest in Westminster diocese did not have the courage to kick out that man, who is as fey as a handbag full of rainbows.

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Dear CTS Editor,
I notice that you are a woman. According to Church and het teaching you should know your place in the system – you should be married and bear good catholic children. Can I ask – did you succeed in your womanly duties according to the Catholic Church’s teaching? If not, you failed as a good catholic woman. Leave Theology to the men and do some reading about what the Church says about you as a woman. God Bless.

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Does the editor believe everything the Church teaches about woman? Yes or No.

If no then she is a hypocrite asking gay men to fully assent to the churches teaching when she does not fully commit herself to its teaching on woman.

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12.43, of course it was God’s will that paedophile Brendan Smith be ordained. What are you banging on about? Didn’t Jesus call Judas?
Fact is your god and your church are in the habit of backing absolute losers. That is historical (and recent historical) FACT.
By the way, it was never Jesus’ intention to form a priesthood: he made no such requirement that his followers should be RC priests before they could ‘do this in memory of me’.
Priesthood is a usurptionof your god’s will: no wonder Christians are so f***ed *p. You don’t even follow your own god’s will. And his will is f***ed *p enough on its own.

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Anonymous @ 12.08pm
Wrong, with bells on… The Church will NEVER change in the way you desire. The Church doesn’t have the authority to change the natural moral law. Dream on… Or, rather, Nightmare on…

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11.20, and sure now didn’t the boy John recline on Jesus manly, hairy breast at the Last Supper?
And sure now didn’t the boy John run buck naked from Gethsemane after having his tunic torn from his lithe, young, taut little body… and him not wearing a loin cloth, at all at all? What was all that about?
To be sure, HOW FYREAKIN’ LGBT CAN YOU GET?

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I’d like to call you scary, too; I really would.
But you’re just too much of a joke, I’m afraid.😅

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3:28 pm
An ill informed sexist misogynistic ignorant comment from an individual with an axe to grind.
The majority of theologians in the catholic church are now female.

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Anonymous @ 5.43pm
Your comment is about as close to blasphemous as I hope to encounter, working my way down this thread.
Do you ever pray a “Hail Mary”? I ask, because it seems to me that your only hope lies in the closing words of that prayer – “pray for us, sinners, now and at the hour of our death…”
Amen!

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How’s about the church thanks its gay priests, who have work so hard over the years, who keep the damn show on the road. I do wonder what it’s all about sometimes.

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The Catholic religion is not a “show” or a circus to be kept on the road by incorporating bearded ladies, magic mirrors (with or without smoke), LGBTQ activists or any other departure from reality. It is the eternal means by which immortal souls are saved by grace and holiness, which obviously excludes “that which is filthy”, to quote St. Paul again. Hence, any priest who promotes or embraces immoral living must be instantly secularised as per the divine law.

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@3:28, a horribly sexist comment, and you probably think of yourself as a liberal.
Where does the Church teach that? Betcha won’t get an answer from you😂

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Fr H
I am dumbfounded at the lack of even a basic comprehension of the elementary nature of the Church which I am witnessing on this thread, and that from ordained men.
Never, in her 2,000 years history, has the Church identified priests (or anyone else) by sexual labels. The Church is there to lead us to Heaven – and that is mission impossible if the priests are determined to justify and even give their blessing to grave sin and depravity.
Dispiriting? No. It’s terrifying.

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Good luck to The Editor in getting the pick’n’mix merchants here to read Trent, when they won’t even read the documents of Vatican II or the Catechism.

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Peter Greene
She can but try, as her Confirmation duty requires. If it becomes clear, however, that her opponents are not interested in checking sound sources, but instead are determined to push the culturally Marxist LGBTQ+ ideology, then, to paraphrase Our Lord admonition to His Apostles, she will simply shake the dust from her feet, as will I.

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2.55, shake off the dust from your feet if we don’t listen either to you, or the blackmailing harridan at CTS?
OH, GOODY!😃
Believe me, when the time comes (and it cannot come quickly enough), I’ll help you shake off that dust…just to be sooner rid of you both! 😅😅

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My experience from W(a)on(k)ersh is that a you most likely would live a more chaste life in line with the church teaching as an adult film actor than you ever would to do as a seminarian and a priest.

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Speak for yourself dear. You might’ve spent your time watching porn in your room day and night, but some of us had lives.

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Gustavo refers to the concept chastity and Bp Pat to that of purity. From my researches I infer that these qualities were relative, and were the common property of everyone – to be applied at individual informed discretion – up till fairly recently.
Why have several people said that chastity / purity is now out the window?
8.49 has made some useful distinctions by the way.

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The Church has a persistent problem of not making the right decision when it comes to ordination. The number of priests who have left and have been in prison suggests that something is not right.

It’s a heavy responsibility ordaining a man. His soul is at stake, as are those he encounters. In practical terms it costs a fortune to train a priest, and once ordained, the Church is stuck with them, hence the c/o bishop’s house crowd.

Please let there be more care taken.

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5.34, I don’t have to: God already knows.😄

It’s Pharisees like you who won’t listen, either to God, or anyone else.

Hence the caca the Church is in. 😅

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Here’s St. Paul’s response to those “who use liberty as a cloak for malice”:
“Wherefore, God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness: to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause, God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts, one towards another: men with men, working that which is filthy and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.” Romans 1: 24-27.
And a wee word about the origin of “Pride”. Those who march boldly under its banner should know that Pride is the mother and root of all sin, the first and principal sin that caused the fall of Lucifer. They are destined for eternal damnation who enter the Church, the “Spotless Bride of Christ”, flying Lucifer’s banner!

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Now, now, Martin.

How do you manage to keep up the charade? Every man and his dog is well aware that you like yourself a young, gay deacon. Don’t play coy with us. It’s not very becoming

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+Pat. CTS is edited by a half wit
who is a clearly a closet leza, a butch one at that. She loves outing gay Priests as she is suppressed and hasn’t been able to come out herself, so heaven help anyone else who does. The Latin Mass that she supports has no place in modern day society and if this stupid mission that she supports continues, the RCC Church will be dead within 10 years. Pray that through Our Lady’s intervention, she will stop this nonsense that is seriously impacting the mental health of many people, most of all seminarians and Clergy.

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In my estimation a “half wit” is clearly superior to one with an IQ marginally higher than the average house plant. When will you furious, raging people realise that the old accusation of “suppressed perversion” against those who challenge your bold assault on holy chastity went out with the gas lamps?

As for your reference to “Our Lady”, I’ll take it your “Our Lady” is Nicola Sturgeon or someone of her ilk. It cannot possibly be the Most Blessed Virgin, Mother of purity, you refer to as that would be the most ridiculous contradiction, unworthy even of those with a house plant IQ.

Mental health is not the Church’s remit, you need a psychiatrist for that. The Church was founded by Our Lord to engender “no pun intended” spiritual health. As an aside, however, mental health issues quite often have a spiritual dimension to them, which is to say a bad conscience often manifests in mental health breakdown, as well as in a deflection of guilt by individuals who accuse the Church rather than themselves for their wretched state of soul and mind.

As Archbishop Fulton Sheen once observed in relation to this latter category, psychiatry is just Confession without absolution. In other words, people who are guilt ridden, usually by immoral living, will never find peace until they acknowledge their sins, repent of them and amend their lives by God’s grace. That’s been the Church’s supernatural teaching for 2000 years and it ann’t going to change to suit this morally relativist, hedonistic era in which we live. God does not alter His teaching to suit the whims of the world!

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Athanasius – you are a half wit. Stop coming on here spouting utter nonsense. Go and wash and press your lace for the next Mass dearie x

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You’re wrong! The demonic assault on the Church began in 1965, as foretold by Our Lady at Quito and Fatima.

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The CTS harridan reminds me of the character in that Dirk Bogarde film Victim, in which Bogarde played a closeted queer who had fulfilled hetero normative expectations and married.

The harridan ran a blackmailing ring that extorted money from queers she caught pooving. I see CTS in much the same light.

In the Bogarde film, the harridan eventually got her cumuppance, so too one hopes will the editor of CTS. Things are definitely moving in that direction : no one is paying her any attention, and she’s teaming up with Pat Buckley. 😀

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5.49, and you could be among the first to learn from them.
It’s ‘Beano’, you fool, not ‘Beeno’.😅

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Peter Mcarlene, @ 1:43 pm
That’s the other favourite. If I’m not “angry all the time” I’m a repressed “gay” myself.
It’s a tad worrying, you see, because I am also very much against theft and assault and many other anti-social, immoral behaviours – including pedophilia. By your daft theory, I must be a respressed thief etc etc. Trust me, I’m not.
It’s a brain-dead argument.

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No, it isn’t a ‘brain dead argument’, but the braindead can never apprehend the fact.
The repressed homo, like Michael Voris?, repeatedly and strongly bangs his big drum against homosexuality; this never happens with theft, etc. Those other things never manage to get the repressed homo anywhere near as mentally worked up.
It’s a dead giveaway, dear.

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It’s a risky business, even on numbers grounds alone, if you recruit only gay men. They are a minority (1%) of a minority (church-going, single, Catholic young men), and just as boys stopped being altar boys when girl servers came in, straight men won’t sign up if the priesthood is like hairdressing, nursing, and sunglass shops and seen as a job gay men do.
The priesthood has enough image problems to be getting on with.
A suggestion. Can people call themselves Anonymous 1 or Anonymous A, or think up usernames?

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This suggestion was made before but nobody bothered. Somone explained how it would help to reply correctly to individual comments. It seems that some of the more articulate intelligent contributors do use a pseudonym: the “challenged ones” just continue to sound off with invariably infantile inconsequentialities.

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Why are so many gay young men going forward for supposed celibate priesthood, in an institution that considers gay sexual expression as intrinsically disordered. There are so many options for gay men in contemporary society, including gay marriage.

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Are you stupid?
God is calling queers and paedos to the priesthood, just as he called Judas Iscariot to discipleship in the full knowledge that Iscariot would betray his son Jesus.
How f***** *p is that?😅

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If you join Westminster there’s a good chance of a plum parish and an opportunity to live in rent-free in parts of London that only millionaires can usually afford. That, plus the opportunity to be a perpetual student in warm countries, and living in the charged atmosphere of modern seminaries with fellow gays is all part of the attraction. The modern idea of the priest as the soft, caring friend to all brings out the caring side, and no doubt there is sincere belief at the start.
The people on seminary selection committees have agendas as long as your arm. Those agendas often compete with one another, except that they all agree that there is no place for devout, orthodox candidates, though some get in by saying the right thing, while believing another, which is an early introduction to secrets and lies.

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They are going forward to priesthood because God is calling them to it.
God recognises the injustice of the teaching on homosexuality, just as he recognised the devilish injustice of the pro-death-penalty teaching. Only Pope Francis could change that, and he did.
And only a gay priesthood and gay theologians will change the Church’s homophobic teaching. And they will.
Simples. 😄

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God inspired the Sacred Scriptures within which there are numerous condemnations of homosexuality, even a rare direct intervention by God to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. St. Paul, who I quoted earlier from Romans I: 24-27, expresses the divine teaching superbly well. God. being perfect, does not change His mind. It really is that simple.

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7.12, you uneducated fool. Paul knew nothing of homosexuality, at least as a sexual orientation. (One New Testament scholar, John Shelby-Spong, believes that Paul may have been a repressed homosexual.😄)
That passage in Romans sees same-genderl acts as the result of HETEROSEXUAL excess. Read it again.
God may not change his mind, but then he does not have to: he is all-knowing. Paul is not, however, which is why he believed that same-gender sex was the result of heterosexual lust. Ergo, God did not inspire that passage, because he does not inspire untruths; that would make him a liar.
Keep showing yourself up as an ignorant fool. You’ve done very well so far on this blog today.😅
As for your understanding of the fable of Sodom and Gomorrah…😅😅😅😅

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Anonymous @ 8:27 pm
YOU, calling A.N. Other an “uneducated fool”? You, who – of all the scripture “scholars” in all the world” chose to quote Spong? You kidding?
Gerragrip.

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Questions for the CTS quack
Did you reach the pinnacle of womanhood in the Catholic Church and stay at home have children?
If I was a betting man, I would say you never married, what straight man would want her. Barren and bitter, I say!

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5.47, 😅
You don’t half come out withnutter nonsense sometimes, but at least it’s entertaining nonsense.
‘Holy single state’? JC!😅

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Anonymous @ 6.31pm
You actually taking the name of Our Lord (albeit using initials) in vain? Breaking a commandment? YOU? The soul of charity? Pure as the driven snow?
Well, at least nobody could accuse YOU of peddling “entertaining nonsense”. No need for any adjective in your case. Nonsense says it all…
It’s the way I tell ’em… 😅

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Anonymous @ 3.56pm
You may recall the Gospel account of Elizabeth, who was barren, yet became the mother of the child who was the precursor of Our Lord. So, don’t under-estimate the importance of “barren”.
And I think the many great single female saints – such as Catherine of Siena – would challenge your false understanding of the Church’s requirements regarding womanhood.

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What has it to do with the King of the Vatican? Hasn’t Frankie got other things to worry about?
As the song say, ‘It’s nobody’s business but the Turk.
Ataturk forced Secularisation on Turkey back in the 1930’s, It was deeply resented by the great majority of the population who remained firmly committed to Islam.
But the policy was maintained and enforced by the Army which carried out several coups and even executed one Prime Minister.

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There is something morally and utterly repellent about blackmail. Cowardly, too. And this, in my opinion, is what CTS tried to do to that young seminarian, blackmail him: either give up your God-given vocation to the priesthood, or we’ll out you to diocesan and other authorities. They did just this when he, very bravely, refused to be cowed by their blackmail. And very brave too were the authorities to whom CTS informed on the seminarian: not only did they ignore the blackmail, they treated it with utter contempt by refusing even to acknowledge the emails from CTS.
Shame on you, Pat, for jumping on that bandwagon. But you failed in your sordid little mission, and that is good.

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5.08, I’ll hold you to that.
Wonder where YOU’LL be in five years time. Doubtless no where to be found after losing our bet.😄

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Francis says that unworthy priests are a mortgage on the Church. As Canon 212 states, the faithful have the right, and sometimes even the duty, to make known their concerns to the pastors of the Church.

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Doesn’t mean their ‘concerns’ are warranted, though.

In this instance ‘concerns’ would be better expressed as ‘homophobia’. And ‘raising’ them as ‘blackmail’.

Better to be truthful, eh?

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It says something about the author of a comment when he/she describes Catholic opposition to immoral men putting themselves forward for the priesthood a “sordid little mission”. I think we both know which of the two parties is on such a mission. Still, never let the truth get in the way of your fury, eh?
Blackmail is the crime of extorting money from a person with a guilty secret, not threatening to make public the deception of a man who presents himself as fit for the celibate priesthood while supporting immorality. The latter is not blackmail, its duty!
The pervert who portrays deceitfully presents himself as celibate does not have a “God-given vocation”. Rather, he has a demonic agenda.

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5.46, Your def of blackmail is way behind the times, like your mawkish, judgemental Catholicism. Ever hear of ’emotional blackmail’? It doesn’t have to involve money but the coercion of someone into doing things hebus against. That is what CTS were trying to do to Akex. But they failed…ignominiously.😅
As for morality, you are aware, being so old, of the sin of defamation? Of calumny?
How is Alex, our young seminarian, a ‘pervert’? You called him a ‘pervert’. How do you know that he is portraying himself ‘deceitfully’ as celibate? Are you sleeping with him that you can say this categorically?
And (oh my!), as for his having a ‘demonic agenda’, what a flamboyant, ott statement!
Are you GAAAAAAY?!

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5.46: Athanasius – dear Sr. What are you drinking? At the convent altar wines again, you sordid little bitch…keep your raving black, deathly, moral judgment to yourself, or more preferably, go and look after your scullery dishes, then lights out and go to bed. Silly cow.

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Anonymous @ 4.41pm
I take it you had absolutely NO objection to the Telegraph journalists who exposed the MPs fiddling their expenses in the Westminster Parliament in recent years? Or do you have a fixed and very principled objection to investigative journalism / exposing of double-living hypocrites per se…. NO? I see, it’s only the exposure of double-living hypocritical clergy to which you object.
Yeah… that’s what I thought…

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Look up ‘reporting’ and ‘blackmail’, and then apply them here. Even you will discover the difference between what those journalists were doing and what the harridan at CTS was doing.

There Is a difference so wide, both semantically and morally, that your slack mouth will drop open once again.

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An interesting footnote in the report of Alex’s ordination as a deacon is that he was to stay in Rome for a further two years after that, presumably doing an STL. That’s all very pleasant and it’ll be a congenial two years, no doubt.
The question, though, is this: why is the laity required to fund these extraordinarily prolonged periods of study? As a minimum priests spend a minimum of six years studying philosophy and theology, but for what purpose?
Other than homilies by the OPs and Cong Orats, the sermons of priests convey no hint of philosophy or theology.
Most priests either make it up as they go along, rehash sermon notes from the Furrow or intercom, repeat the readings using slightly different words, or do Thought for the Day warm words that anybody could do.
What, apart from equipping Alex with his third of fourth degree, does the Church get out of it?

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5.19 they don’t even do much philosophy. A second year in Bernard’s Bunch said (and the sound was bad) he has “finished philosophy”. Just when you can’t handle the suprarational without honouring the rational first. Lack of logic over Rome’s conflicting alleged “doctrines” entails lack of honesty in what they are entrapping vulnerable personalities into as prospective clergy hence the “need” to allow them to further twist the alleged “doctrines”.

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Anonymous @ 3.35pm

Don’t talk daft. Check out the headlines indicating likely prison terms for MPs caught fiddling their expenses as a result of the Telegraph investigation and expose.

If what Catholic Truth does is “blackmail” then the Old Testament Prophets were blackmailers. Warning of consequences of any kind, let alone the possibility of eternal damnation, is not “blackmail” – it’s called charity. And it’s an integral part of our Confirmation obligation.

Gerragrip.

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4.09, My God! Aren’t you hard work?
Those journalists did not seek anything from the MPs in return for not exposing their malfeasance.
Contrast this with the behaviour of the harridan at CTS: she insisted that Alex leave seminary OTHERWISE she would expose his years-old support for a gay club and gay marriage.
THAT, you fool, is blackmail, a serious sin.

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Isn’t it great that siren voices like CTS are so irrelevant, so unimportant, that their whining emails aren’t even acknowledged by diocesan authorities?
Onwards and upwards…to Heaven. 😇

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It says more about the Church that it does not listen and ignores people when they bring cases to them. I reported something to the Archbishop of Armagh and got an acknowledgement from a lay secretary, proving the diocese received my report and then I heard no more. Maybe I should air it on Pat’s blog.
Isn’t the arrogance of priests and prelates ingoring people at the heart of the handling of the abuse cases? It took the media and the courts to make them listen.

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6.18, the Church in this instance ignored a transparent attempt at blackmail of a young seminarian by what, in my opinion, was an evil-minded old woman. The Church was right to do so, and behaved in an edifying, Christ-like way.
If you were attempting to blackmail someone, then it is right that you too were ignored.

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Chase down the Bank of Ireland job that Cathal Daly and his secretary created for a very decent man that a high ranking personage abused to say nothing of what happened before that at National University level. More detail if I am inclined.

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Alex was an intern for Westminster. Elsie was keen on him but then again Elsie has always favoured the queens. Alex is not as innocent as they make out especially during World Youth Days as a lay person. Alex was handy with a camera at Westminster Cathedral photographing big diocesan occasions. Many clergy found him a welcome distraction prancing round the Cathedral and its Sanctuary area in the tighest skinny jeans possible. Elsie arranged for him to live in a parish with a Fr Michael Daley.

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@7.00pm The very one and yes, a total contrast Alex and Monty. I hear the Porker has been causing more trouble again .

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On the Orthodox site, Ad Orientem, reference is made to a dramatic event. A rain soaked cassocked FSSP priest is pictured making his way through an area of highway stopped by a horrific accident to give extreme unction to a dying driver.
People have been edified by his sacerdotal action, and I suspect that they couldn’t care less about him being straight or gay.

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Alex lost his ‘twink’ looks with the weight and receding hairline. Ben Hilton who is on the left in that photo is the brother of Josh Hilton who recently featured on this blog in Leeds. Gorgeous for all his faults is more masc than all these fairies put together. Gone be with the days!

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5.53: Thank you Seraphim. A most sensible comment but Pat would want us believe that his administering of such would be a holier, more virtuous act of compassion than that of a gay Catholic priest. After all, he’s a “straight” gay and is perfect in every way!!!!

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Dear God! More right wing nutters.
Priesthood is attacking itself through paedophilia/ephebophilia, etc. Is this the work of Satan? No. Satan didn’t rape or sodomise youngsters; priests did.
Satan didn’t conceal these crimes to protect the perpetrators, and the reuputation of the clergy. Pope and bishops did.
Priesthood is an evil institution; it was never intended by Christ.

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Anonymous @ 8.14pm
The sheer ignorance of Scripture and the elementary teaching of Christ and His Church in your comment at 8.14pm, leaves me open-mouthed.
And the sheer bitterness and hatred of Christ’s Church in the comments on this thread alone, are mind-boggling. But you’d need a mind to realise that so just take my word for it… 😇

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@6:51, a priest perhaps, but certainly gay, told me that I was a blackmailer for bringing to the attention of the Archbishop of Armagh wrongdoing by two of his clergy. I did so discreetly by email.
I won’t be told I’m a blackmailer. So, Pat, I’ll send to you the evidence that I sent to the archbishop, for you to do with as you see fit. It’s not a case that has been aired here previously. May I please have your email address, Pat?

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8.22, I didn’t call you a blackmailer. I said ‘if…’
Learn to read.
Contrary to what that fool ‘Athanasius’ said, a blackmailer is someone (always a coward, like the editor of CTS) who attempts to coerce another into doing their will by threatening to expose some secret of that person.
Blackmail is underhand and evil, and it attracts evil-minded people.

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Wow. says it as it is. Seminarians and priests enslaved to sexual gratification and in need of purification! Who can save us? Jesus Christ!

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I will take my leave from this site now, can’t tolerate any more filth on a Sunday of all days. Suffice it to say God gives us free will to use in our relatively short lives, either to love and serve Him or to love evil and serve the flesh and the passions. We make our own eternal judgement which God merely ratifies when we appear before Him. We choose heaven or Hell laready in this life, but let me say that once in eternity, when the flesh no longer matters, the damned would give anything for just one minute back on earth to repent. It’s the worst of tragedies when men fall into filthy behaviour and then try to drag the holy Church down with them. The judgement in eternity will be very severe. And now I shake the dust from my feet.

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8.54, we do understand, really, your need to retire. You have been given more than a drubbing here today, and it will take time for you to recover from that.😅

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I will not grieve your absence.
I’m pleased to see you go.
Your recent appearance
was no endearance.
Farewell. Goodbye. Ho. Ho

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Did you, Pat, support every rule of the RC Church when you were a priest? Did you believe in the teaching on homosexuality? The teaching on abortion? The teaching on capital punishment?
Did you cross every i and dot every i of it. ALL of it, even the mysogynistic teaching on women?

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Anonymous @ 8.58pm
There is no “mysogynistic” teaching on women. Don’t listen to the crackpot feminist movement types – they do NOT speak for the majority of women, EVER.
As for what did “Pat” support… there’s no way to be a Catholic without embracing the Church in its entirety. That’s the simple truth. And remember, St Irenaeus taught that “Truth is always simple: it is error which is immense.”
If you want a “church” that lets you live as you please, there are plenty of man-made groups around. You just pays your money and you takes your pick.
Only, don’t expect to save your soul. That’s a whole different kettle of “church”…

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http://www.jokesoftheday.net/jokes-archive/2015/06/09/Best-friends.jpg.330.jpg
Only it isn’t a joke. Bitch about an old coat rather than throw Oakley & Coyle under the bus, or than calling it quits over the beer because that sick “joke” was on everybody.
Maybe you are ashamed you gave away a house when “lay” people were too “persuasive”. Maybe you think it’s too late to look for a career now you have been tricked by the lying CCC or by whoever said that “persons” haven’t got gifts nor are to be pastored.
Maybe you have an emotional attachment to Holy Roman Mother. Maybe you have an emotional attachment to the assistant VD with the eyelashes, or the top prelate.
Above all perhaps you can’t bring yourself to blame them for stringing you along because they have proclaimed themselves to be above blame. Stringing you along to believe that only by becoming clergy can you be a christian (it might be in the CCC but it isn’t in Scripture).
And to disbelieve that questions of discrimination don’t arise once you adopt realism regarding “communion” and ordination.

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