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VATICAN SAYS IT SUPPORTS THE PLAN TO EXHUME THE TUAM BABIES.

Nicole Winfield Jul 17, 2020 ASSOCIATED PRESS

In this Aug. 26, 2018 file photo, People gather to protest at the site of the former Tuam home for unmarried mothers in County Galway, Ireland. The Vatican has indicated its support for a campaign to exhume the bodies of hundreds of babies who were buried on the grounds of a Catholic-run Irish home for unwed mothers to give them a proper Christian burial. The Vatican’s ambassador to Ireland,

Archbishop Jude Thaddeus Okolo, said in a July 15, 2020 letter to the amateur Irish historian behind the campaign that he shared the views of the archbishop of Tuam, Ireland, Michael Neary, who has said it was a “priority” for him to re-inter the bodies in consecrated ground. (Credit: Niall Carson/PA via AP.)

ROME — The Vatican has indicated its support for a campaign to provide a proper Christian burial for hundreds of babies and toddlers by first exhuming their bodies from the grounds of a Catholic-run Irish home for unwed mothers.

The Vatican’s ambassador to Ireland, Archbishop Jude Thaddeus Okolo, said in a July 15 letter to the amateur Irish historian behind the campaign that he shared the views of the archbishop of Tuam, Ireland, Michael Neary.

Neary has said it was a “priority” for him to re-inter the babies’ bodies in consecrated ground. If the Irish government refuses to authorize the exhumations, Neary promised to bless the ground where they were originally buried.

Historian Catherine Corless has been campaigning since 2014 to give the babies a dignified burial after she tracked down the death certificates for nearly 800 children who died at the home in the town of Tuam, north of Galway, but couldn’t find corresponding burial records.

Excavations of the site in 2017 showed “significant quantities of human remains” in a 20-chamber underground structure near a decommissioned sewage tank. DNA analysis confirmed the ages of the dead children ranged from 35 weeks gestation to 3 years and were buried chiefly in the 1950s.
The Tuam home, which was run by the Sisters of Bon Secours order of Catholic nuns, closed in 1961.
Based on Corless’ research, the Irish government instituted a commission of inquiry in 2015 into the Tuam facility and several other mother and baby homes where unwed mothers, orphans and children whose parents couldn’t care for them were housed.

This June 4, 2014 file photo shows the site of a mass grave for children who died in the Tuam mother and baby home, in Tuam, County Galway, Ireland. The Vatican has indicated its support for a campaign to exhume the bodies of hundreds of babies who were buried on the grounds of a Catholic-run Irish home for unwed mothers to give them a proper Christian burial.

The Vatican’s ambassador to Ireland, Archbishop Jude Thaddeus Okolo, said in a July 15, 2020 letter to the amateur Irish historian behind the campaign that he shared the views of the archbishop of Tuam, Ireland, Michael Neary, who has said it was a “priority” for him to re-inter the bodies in consecrated ground.(Credit: Niall Carson/PA via AP.)

It was part of a process of reckoning in overwhelmingly Catholic Ireland to come to terms with a history of abuses in Catholic-run institutions, including the shunning and shaming of unwed mothers, many of whom were pressured into giving up babies for adoption.

The commission is only looking into burial arrangements at the homes. It said in its most recent interim report more than a year ago that it still couldn’t understand why the babies and young children buried outside the one in Tuam were handled in such an “inappropriate manner.” The commission said local Galway authorities bore “particular responsibility” since they owned the home.

Seeking to nudge the government to finally honor the Tuam children and bring closure to their relatives, Corless wrote last month to the Vatican ambassador asking his views. She had been heartened by Pope Francis’ horror when he learned about the Tuam burials during his 2018 visit to Ireland.

“My query to you is, as papal nuncio, do you think it proper in the name of Jesus to allow these little souls (they are all baptized) to be left in a sewage tank, or do you agree that they be exhumed and given a Christian burial?” Corless wrote Okolo on July 13.

Okolo noted in his reply letter two days later, which Corless provided to The Associated Press, that the final report of the government’s commission of inquiry is pending.

But he quoted Neary, who previously said “it remains a priority for me, in cooperation with the families of the deceased, to seek to obtain a dignified re-internment of the remains of the children in consecrated grounds in Tuam.”
Neary reaffirmed that position as recently as last month, but has also said that if the government chooses to leave the bodies where they are, he would bless the ground.

“I share his views,” Okolo wrote Corless. “It is my conviction that through sincere love, a calm mind, clear-sightedness and mutual understanding, everyone concerned can cooperate to rectify the mistakes of the past.”

Pope Francis himself has urged the church in Ireland to do whatever it can to make reparations for the Tuam burials, which he learned about first-hand from the country’s then-minister for children, Katherine Zappone, with whom he met during his 2018 visit.

In a letter to the pope that she hand-delivered Aug. 27, 2018, Zappone said the Tuam babies were owed the “dignity and respect” that had been denied them in death, and noted the option of exhuming their remains and performing DNA tests on them. She urged the church to “contribute substantially” to whatever decision is taken by the government.

Francis was clearly moved by her appeal, and told Irish Jesuits later that day that he wanted the Irish church to “put an end to this.” “I don’t mean simply turn the page, but seek out a cure, reparation, all that is necessary to heal the wounds and give life back to so many people,” he told the priests.

Francis later wrote to Zappone assuring her of his concern and praying “in particular that efforts made by the government and by the local churches and religious congregations will help face responsibly this tragic chapter in Ireland’s history.”

While Zappone announced later in 2018 that the site would indeed be exhumed, the commission’s final report has been delayed, Zappone is no longer minister and to date the burial site remains intact.
The Irish government has estimated that the cost of exhuming the site would cost between 6 million and 13 million euros; the Bon Secours Sisters have offered to pay 2.5 million euros, Irish news reports have said, quoting Zappone.

PAT SAYS

Fuck the Vatican!

This “Vatican support” fills me with just anger.

The Irish people and the Irish government dont need the Vatican’s support, approval or permission to rescue the bodies of the 600 + children that were buried in a septic tank by the Vatican’s vicious vestal virgins.

And may God forgive us for ever allowing them to imprison those babies in their concentration camps in the first place.

What the Irish Government should do is to make the Irish branch of the RCC pay all the expenses associated with all the forensic work done, the decent rebuttals and the fitting memorials.

I was delighted when Enda Kenny sent the papal noncio packing.

That should have stayed permanent.

These people tortured generations of Irish people with their dominance.

Our Brit colonisers were bad. They plundered our land our language and our freedom.

But our Roman colonisers stole and destroyed our souls and even threatened to steal our eternities.

And all the while they were raping our women, children and even our young men.

In very different ways, the Roman’s were the Irish Nazis, the Irish Facists etc.

Why they are tolerated in anyway in modern Ireland I cannot understand.

But it is comforting, and just, to see them shrivveling into a rump of what they once were.

There is justice !

There is Karma !

There is a God in Heaven !

I hope those creeps Neary and Okolo will have sufficient decency to stay away from the reburials.

But knowing how they work the Irish bishops will try and have their dirty paws all over it 🤮

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251 replies on “VATICAN SAYS IT SUPPORTS THE PLAN TO EXHUME THE TUAM BABIES.”

Hi Pat,
Paul Tighe stays in Archbishop Martins house when he visits Dublin. Do you not find that a bit strange? He does not allow other Dublin clergy to sleep over. I wonder

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Maybe DM is simply returning the courtesy of PT’s hosting him in Rome. Close friends do that. PT is not just another priest. He is close, best friend.

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Archbishop Okolo thinks, these people co-operating can ‘rectify mistakes’ of the past!
Pope Francis, apparently, told Jesuit colleagues, he wanted the Irish Church to “put an end to this”…, etc.
If Pope Francis wants an end to “this” in ‘ground zero’ of abuse, the Irish Church, and if Archbishop Okolo wants to rectify, so called ‘mistakes’ of the past , let the Irish Church set up a “Truth and Reconciliation” forum/ process, to include all “categories” of abuse survivors.
Otherwise, their statements are simply more public relations spin.

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You can never rectify the burying of 600 plus innocent babies in septic tanks.

This was one of Ireland’ Holicausts. As I said, in our case it was not the Nazis but the Neo Roman’s.

We should have an annual Day of Rememberance for all the victims of the RCC.

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7:45 am

Of course you can never rectify the burying of 600 innocent babies in septic tanks. Yes, there ought to be an annual Day of Rememberance. However, are we there yet?
First, a Truth and Reconciliation process needs to occur, where the Irish Church takes responsibility, acknowledging harm done, providing a forum for ALL SURVIVORS to tell their stories, as well as public repentance from the Church, otherwise, wounds will continue to fester alienating more people from Jesus Christ, His Gospel, and His Church.

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Has it gone from 800 to 600 now? The 800 figure was an invention of the very amateur “historian” Corless. There’s been no rush to do the excavation, even pre-covid. That’s because her claims will be rubbished.

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9.40, you sound shrill and triumphalist, just like one of those priests of long ago, the type who would have delighted, in unconcealed self-righteous indignation, in incarcerating frightened, despised, mercilessly judged and morally excoriated, unmarried but pregnant young women in such shit-holes as that home at Tuam, and of treating their unborn children as the spawn of Satan.

You vile example of moral decrepitude.

But at heart, you’re frightened. Aren’t you, Father? That the institution for which you betrayed Christ is now in its time of reckoning? And it ain’t looking good, either historically or today, for the Catholic Church in its priests.

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Absolutely, Pat. Not a word of acknowledgement that the church did this or of sorrow. Arrogant bastards.
The only time the church is bothered about human life is in the womb.

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And the only reason they are bothered about life in the womb is because they see themselves as the police of our sexuality and our reproductive system.

The Irish votes on divorce, contraception, same sex marriage etc was a big blow to their Sex Policing.

The RCC should really be a banned organisation like all other terrorist organisations.

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6.42, one has to wonder why the Catholic Church, in its priests, bothers to maintain the moral pretense about such life, especially for the stated premise (that it is sacred).

Church history demonstrates, again and again, that RC clerics honoured the premise more in its breach than in its observance. The Tuam babies scandal is a relatively recent example of this, one of a very long litany of such horrific examples.

So why does the Catholic Church, in its priests, apparently raise a fuss about life in utero when it has shown, again and again, that it didn’t give the proverbial toss about that life ex utero? Is it all about fudging the moral reality of its true, earthy nature, while striving to keep up appearances with God? Because it cannot be with men, since men already know the Church’s historical double standards on the reputed sanctity of human life; they know this only too well. So does God.

Is the Catholic Church, in its priests, really so Dorian Gray-esque, so cowardly, that it cannot bear to look on its true moral portrait in history? That it must keep it permanently covered with a sheet of glorifying self-deception? Is this what the Vatican’s approval for exhuming those pathetic remains at Tuam is all about? Maintaining the deception (the lie) that the Church at the time, in its priests, gave a damn about those poor children, and their mothers, socially shunned by clerics, and a people, whose epicentre was the Vatican itself?

I know how I’d feel if any Roman Catholic priest, especially an archbishop or papal nuncio, dared to turn up at an exhumation of these remains to bless them, or whatever. I shouldn’t be happy. Not happy at all.

I’d feel like tearing out my hair. Or tearing off someone else’s.

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7:43 am

My bishop was patron of an ultra right wing catholic pro-life group. Yet the same man tried to have me ruined for the good of the clerical fraternity. I was told by a senior cleric he hoped Christ Jesus would be my consolation. One of many platitudes doled out at the drop of a hat. Survivors must seek justice.Complicit silence is more abusive violence.

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Magna’s back, again. I’m surprised her obsession with the death penalty didn’t get another outing.

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Bring on the excavation and we’ll see who is right. The idea that it would take €millions to do so is farcical.

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Pat must be Fr Brown because he has reduced the oft-quoted figure of 800 down to 600. It is like a Dutch auction and will drop a lot further.

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Hope it doesn’t reach the 6,000+ and rising figure for Irish abortions. The same people who got the vapours about the made-up Tuam story rejoiced when State baby-killing came in.

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Standard distraction technique at 10:09 – perhaps this is a good explanation of why the church is obsessed with life in the womb – to distract from their treatment of it after birth.

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Let’s get all up in arms about babies dying decades ago, but celebrate the deaths happening now. Is that how it works?

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Imputation of false motives at 11:28 following distraction. Nobody is talking about celebrating abortions, merely refusing to let you distract attention from your ‘church’s’ crimes.

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Such an alignment happened before….it kept an Empire alive…..and extended a relatively young credal system….yes Constantinianism !!!!! ( Yes……the word does not exist….except the concept which does exist is couched under another name!). Albert Nolans ” Jesus Before Christianity” is one of the most important commentaries written in the last 100 years. How accurate he was….

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They genuinely don’t care how many are found as long as they can point the finger at abortions and sneer that they are more numerous.
I wonder what kind of moral system thinks it is OK, when caught out, to start screaming ‘We’ re not as bad as [insert name].
It is exactly like the priests who come on here pointing at CSA in other denominations.
Moral inadequates all of them.

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Tuam is bad; abortion is bad. CSA in the Catholic Church is bad; CSA in other denominations is bad. Agreed?

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11:28 am
Are you alright?
Who said anything about celebrating? Conflating two separate moral issues to claim some sort of moral high ground is a disingenuous avoidance of culpability of the Tuam babies scandal which lies squarely on the doorstep of Catholic Ireland and the Institutional Church.

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I’m against Tuam and against abortion. I am therefore glad to say that I am on higher moral ground than those who are against Tuam but for abortion.

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11:42 am
Some contributors to this blog seem to think people must put up with any aul shite from anyone even aul shite from those considered eminent shitstirrs.

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Mc Carrick was never out of it and Parolin ( remember him on our same sex marriage amendment……and Eamonn Martin quoted him !!! ….a defeat for humanity they prattled on about…..did you ever hear the like ?) loves getting into China to be worshipped….

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Someone here said that there was no celebration of abortion. He or she missed or is conveniently forgetting the scenes of jubilation in Dublin Castle, including by the Shinners, who know a thing or two about killing and who, without irony, go on about Tuam.

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1.18: The rejoicing and theatrics of success at the Amendment allowing for abortion are an affront to the sacredness and oreciiysness of the unborn child. When we look at the figure of over 6,000 babies killed last year through abortion, these scenes are disgusting. And undoubtedly if this crowd had freedom of movement, they’d be out clapping for the deaths of these babies: we were promised SAFE, LEGAL and RARE abortions: we have an onslaught on the life of the unborn child. All in the name of “freedom of choice”. Morally reprehensible actions. God help us.

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Literally every comment in this thread is derailment, attempting to deflect attention from the alleged crimes of the church.

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In relation to 8.37:
To be very accurate: Eamonn Martin said it was like a bereavement !!! I remember asking for a vote of sympathy to the Archbishop at a Pastoral Area meeting on that matter….needless to say the heads inclined towards the table top and the clergy pretended they had not heard it…t

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I was not silent…there was no blog…..check with any congregation I ever was with if you want validity for your untruths.

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You Sir, by your own disclosure stayed for the crust….like many…..wisely…..but it kills the soul as you know more than I.

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I love what you call ” church”, more than you….and I know you will not understand what I mean like most who contribute here…..I do not know hate and have an aversion to its use…your own heart on display in that comment.

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Billeen could have found his voice and set up a blog, or been like Pat and took to the media.

Don’t forget that brave Billy was a New House monitor. Everybody knows that you only became a monitor, sacristan, cantor or MC if you were a company man and the favours of the deans rested on you. It was a reward for good behaviour.

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Pat, the collection of documents that now exist in my regard….some I have…..some I know of………They could give classes to Xi Jinping on how to proceed !!!!!!

I am slow to say this , but I am convinced to be a bishop in the Catholic Church today….the priest must be dead in you……the way they treat them…..His Disgrace in Dublin is iconic of my point….DB of Dublin is a decent person and priest….I do not know him…..but the way that monster treated him…to say nothing of a good friend of mine and countless others….but Taylor( who has many fine qualities) has free reign to do as he likes, where he likes to whomever he likes….why ? Because he knows !

No accident that story in Genesis about a tree……and for those who don’t know; its the Apple Logo ubiquitous now !!!

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It is emerging, I think, that Diarmuid Martin has a questionable past and an astoundingly poor record on his treatment of priests.

You say people like Taylor KNOW.

When, do you think the rest of us will find out the whole story?

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7.49: Mulvihill: your soul may have been destroyed by being a priest but by God, your soul hasn’t much improved psychologically or spiritually on the evidence of your take over of this blog with your confusing commentary. You are printing so much but SAYING nothing worthwhile. You obviously are a man of leisure with little to do. Go and sell ice creams at the sea….

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I would like to pay His Disgrace a compliment : he cooks pasta well….very well !
I withdraw the compliment: He had a very good teacher….his skill is not his own !
Retirement means he will upskill…..perhaps with the same teacher !!! Lol Lol Lol

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8.57

Thats an interesting comment…you don’t ‘crave’ to meet his Roman colleague( you blogged such yesterday) but you are open to a pasta invitation…..mmm

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Yes, I would respond positively to a pasta invitation and a lengthy conversation.

Meeting Thigh would be utterly boring I think.

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Jorge Bergoglio is silent on what is going on in China, they are murdering their own citizens to say nothing of others. I blogged almost two years ago that he was an international terrorist for other reasons, he has multiplied the list……Jasper Becker wrote in his book: Hungry Ghosts, of the 300 million people Pope Mao Zedong starved to death in order to mechanise his huge farms, that was a famine he deliberately caused ( as the Irish famine….caused…there was lots of grain carted out of Ireland for English tables and cottages) to build up his empire…..Hitler began early and by 1939 he was ready……Xi Jinping is mimicking him….Cast the mind back to End Kenny giving the Vatican a lecture ( he was absolutely bang on…and the priest who wrote it….a brother of a TD I think….suffered a lot subsequently)…who was Kenny extending the red carpet (no pun) to within days almost ?
Yes there are two empires on Earth at the moment who are aligning, they are both Totalitarian Regimes. The Chinese Communist Party are in my opinion working against the only other civilisation ( The Chinese Civilisation and Culture were profound and magnificent for a lot of their history) in the last three hundred years: The United States of America ( their foreign policy was abhorrent…but it kept me and anybody reading this Blog safe). The USA has been the best of the nations on the Earth for along time now except of course for the Greatest: France.
So in terms of terrorism ( I hate the word….it is now used to blur the boundaries of those fighting for justice and change; for a better world and those who have vacuous murderous intent) 1939-1945 is visiting the world again in Chinese form and you know who is silent: The Crusades, The Inquisition, ( If the Portuguese had stayed in Australia when they landed, The Aboriginals of Australia would have been wiped out entirely, they left and the British arrived….a feature of the centuries of colonisation; The Protestant Nations ” used” a lot of the peoples they found native, The Catholic Colonisers wiped them out ! The same in South America…..) Catholicism historically wiped out mental or intellectual opposition ( The Oath a Parish Priest takes requires the submission of ‘intellect and will’….did you ever…..)….as China today…..Bergoglio and Xi Jinping are interchangeable in their domains; both terrorists.

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His posts are…. incomprehensible…. and you want him to …. write a book.
Oh, wait a minute… you’re being sarcastic!

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Yes please Billl. Devote all your abundant knowledge and energy entirely and absolutely to this task.
And spare the rest of us here from your tedious efforts: tedious in being incomprehensibly to those not in “the know.” There are bits of useful relevant comment in what you say here, but most of it is ???? I just bypass it now.
But those who value your comment will no doubt enjoy your book.

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Bill, When you called Bergolio an international terrorist two years ago I did not fully understand what you were saying.

But you are right. He is a terrorist as are many of his collaborators in the RCC.

You and I have experienced their tactics first hand.

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I admire the British and Jewish peoples; they always look after their own: they are never treacherous towards their own ( though like all humans they can be barbarous to their fellowman). The British built an Empire, they were never a civilisation because they did not wipe out local culture( usually), I theorise this was related to a protestant ethic at work…an appreciation of where that protestanism had originated; insofar as I am aware it was a pope of Rome who issued an edict that waking into the city ( Rome) you walked on oneside and leaving the city you walked on the other ( it was for a great Jubilee)…..they reversed it in England…..I may be mistaken ( Lol Lol )…..but the side of the road you drive on is of papal origin !!!!! Their power is all pervading ! Even still…..particularly in Banking and Banks…..that is why George Pell has suffered, he did not know ! Hello Sodano ! The man who really runs it all…..though elderly now..in fine fettle……don’t cross him!!!!!

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I hope the people of Ireland don’t allow the Catholic Church to capitalise on the exhumation of the Tuam babies.

The Church will try to distort history here for propaganda purposes (try to sanitise its causal role in this terrible scandal) by appearing there, all concerned and saddened, through its clerical representatives.

Don’t permit these hypocritical bastards to dominate you yet again.

Tell them where to go: to where they truly belong.

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The Headline of your Blog today is much more contemporaneous : Lourdes Hospital Drogheda; St. Peters Cemetery . Practices there in the decades right up to the nineties. Let the Vatican and the MMMs( not under HSE or Health Board times) handle that one.

Bill Mulvihill

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10:57 am
A sample of the holier than thou morally superior self confessed lover of the triumphalist church in Ireland. Isn’t Monto near the cathedral in Dublin….
“By their fruits you will know them..”
Nowadays we have a legacy of utter mayhem from the eminent dictators of old.

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9.15

You have said it often enough….get a Thesaurus ……get another word for incompehncibel…..you are very boring !

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I don’t need a thesaurus as I’m fairly confident I could use several synonyms for incomprehensible without the aid of one – why would I use another word when the one I used is perfectly valid.
And I suggest you use a dictionary or a spell checker 😉

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11.29
All entirely deliberate….I suggest you broaden your mind since your linguistic skills are so accomplished. That may be difficult for you….
As you might have guessed….I am so openfinded….particularly about graamar, belling and wooools that my brain fell out….Lol

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The state was complicit in the mother and baby homes, so were local farmers, the inmates were sent out as slave labour to local farmers.

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9.32, and beneath that complicity of State and farmer in the expoitation of vulnerable human beings was the moral sludge of the Catholic Church in its priests. This provided the rationale, the moral self-satisfaction and superciliousness, for such attitudes to these women, and for their virtual enslavement; they were the blacks of the Catholic Church at the time, treated as a commodity and, like all commodities, to be financially profited from.
Come to think of it, the Catholic Church in its priests had a history of justifying slavery, not only in the very early church (witness the Pauline letter to Philemon), but also in Europe throughout later centuries, and then in the Americas.
So it already had a wonderful moral pedigree for treating the unmarried mothers of Ireland as the chattel they were undoubtedly held to be by the Catholic Church in its priests.

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11.14: ’s twisted, poisonous anti Catholic rant…You and your family probably, like all others in society, turned your backs on women who found themselves in very difficult situations. Turn your moral conscience on yourself – for once.

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2.10, anti-Catholic poisonous rant?
My sister aged 17 fell pregnant. I remember my dad, on hearing the news from her, literally getting down on his knees, his arms opened to embrace her with unfeigned fatherly love as she stood sobbing in our kitchen, unsure of herself and of her future in dear, old, Catholic Christian Ireland. I’ll never forget the sight, a living example of the merciful love of God, though that thought would never have occurred to my dad in a million years; he wasn’t that self-conceited.
I can’t forget what our holy curate, Fr H…. , later said to me about my sister: ‘You’ll have to keep an eye on T…’ It was a suspiciously ambiguous remark, and when I told my dad of it, I knew by his anger that he understood exactly what the priest had insinuated. I knew, too, that had the priest been present in the moment, he could have suffered a fractured jaw,
My dad wasn’t Irish, by the way: he was a Brit, an Englishman who had converted to Roman Catholicism from Anglicanism.
He could have taught Irish Catholic men a few things about mercy and compassion rather than harsh judgemental excoriation towards vulnerable young women made pregnant while unmarried; about how to love and cherish them (including the unborn life growing within them) instead of dumping them both, as objects of shame, in so-called ‘mother and baby homes’.
I know he taught the older guy who had exploited my sister a lesson he dared not have ignored.

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This sounds like one of the Russian spy drops in a Cold War film.
“Snow is falling softly in Moscow.”
“The geese fly south in winter.”

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Pat

Maybe he will cook you his favourite pasta….from the Dolomites ……Strozzapreti……..its actually beautiful to the bite…I now always keep a packet myself ….

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There are many explanations for the name of this pasta, which means “strangle the priest”: Nancy Harmon Jenkins claims that the pasta was meant to fill the priest to the choking point at Sunday lunch so he wouldn’t overindulge on the roast that followed.

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11.52
Wikipedia is no cultural or culinary champion….there are not many ‘real’ meanings…..check with an old Italian you meet…

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Bishop Router took an interest in gangland crime in Drogheda….perhaps he can talk to the clergy….one in particular on the fringes of a big town and take an interest in Tuam Babies in a Pale town. The Vatican prefers things historical…..like Super Slav and his fifty apologies as he perpetrated what will necessitate apology in the future…..I remember as a teenager reading in the Irish Independent that Pope John Paul the second had said that if a man lusts after his wife he has sinned….tragedy was they printed it!!! Did you ever hear the like ?? As he flaunted about the stages of the world with Lust Merchants in Mitres !!!!!

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Sometimes the church is its own worst enemy and remarkably insensitive to how things might look. Imagine naming a building in Maynooth after Ledwith? Even if it was done before the truth about him was known, surely they could rename it?

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Hi Pat. I wonder why Dermo has not published the Dublin Diocesan Appointments. Is it because he gave Ciara a cushy Number?.

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Other dioceses, such as Meath, stop listing their priests on the diocesan website, making it harder to spot the MIAs.

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@ 2.06 P.M. Now Father, don’t be getting your knickers in a twist. The People have a right to know and should have access to Priests Appointments in our Archdiocese especially as we pay you bitches your Salary.

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3.39: MYOB….my salary is none of your concern. Since you obviously are not a contributor, it is irrelevant to you, Miss. Let me burst your annoyance. I have no financial worries. People are very kind to me and this kindness allows me to be kind to many. So, stuff your crappy begrudgery. The Diocesan changes are also none of your business, Miss Gossip.

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I think priests salaries are the party’s business as THEY pay them?

Diocesan appointments are surely the concern of the People of God?

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3.39: Dirty Owl Dublin…Let us know when your head is out of the loo bowl!! Then you might talk sensibly..

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Also since your so-called church claims tax breaks as a charity (lol) that makes your income even more of public interest, including those who don’t contribute.
My vision of the future of the RC church where every cleric and religious is permanently tagged, includes not being able to hold bank accounts and being randomly searched for cash.
Incidentally in the US the police already have the legal right to remove goods or cash they even suspect to be connected with crime. That power should be used to embarrass a few priests.

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Is it possible to have a balanced account of DM’s stewardship of Dublin? It wasn’t an easy roll to fulfill or task to perform. Yes, he could have declined. But perhaps, as Haughey said of himself in his valedictory address to the Dáil, quoting Othello, he has done the state (and the church) some service.
Othello:
Soft you, a word or two before you go.
I have done the state some service, and they know ’t.
No more of that. I pray you, in your letters,
When you shall these unlucky deeds relate,
Speak of me as I am. Nothing extenuate,
Nor set down aught in malice. Then must you speak
Of one that loved not wisely, but too well.
Of one not easily jealous, but being wrought,
Perplexed in the extreme. Of one whose hand,
Like the base Indian, threw a pearl away
Richer than all his tribe. Of one whose subdued eyes,
Albeit unused to the melting mood,
Drop tears as fast as the Arabian trees
Their medicinal gum. Set you down this;
And say besides, that in Aleppo once,
Where a malignant and a turban’d Turk
Beat a Venetian and traduced the state,
I took by the throat the circumcised dog,
And smote him, thus.
[Stabs himself]

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I like to think that on his last day as Archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin will walk out of Archbishops palace – cigar in hand – with this song being blasted from a High Fi. Lyrics are appropriate.

Oh, it’s hardly a secret
You ain’t gon stop tryna get where you going until you reach it
Always had them bars back in the day
When the same ones running up on you wasn’t speaking
Look at all your achievements
You work hard so it’d be kinda hard not to believe that
You party every weekend (weekend)
Fuck em all who act like they ain’t see it then
All them nights on the plane
Losses a nigga took, had to charge it to the game
Always wanted stardom and the fame
Learn to out smart em
And now it ain’t no stopping the champagne from poppin’
The draws from droppin’
Us seeing muscle cars and coppin’ em
Started off just a little less popular

Now you got a new place
You drive a new car
You smile for the cameras, live life like a superstar
Don’t care what they say!
You reach for the stars
Got everything you always dreamed or thought about
And everyone knows who you are!

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Will Stephen Farragher be inviting anyone from the Gay Community in Ballyhaunis to speak in his church as a sign of solidarity and togetherness?

Will Dermot Martin be attending on any Gay Public Event in Dublin….. has he ever….

They are facilitating an organisation that consider them the Infidel.

Of course , until recently the RCC had no trouble venting at either of those communities.

And before the usual happens, Islam is fine by me… just keep their doctrines and tricks out of my hair… I had enough of that with the older sister; RCC.

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5.11: Perhaps you might take this loser, Mullie Nags under yiur care. He has lost his way. A big yawn and moan, disgruntled ex cleric. Demented with rage.

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Ah but you and tour family are ordinary Joe Soaps, he is the Dermonator and all muslims are special people.

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isn’t it terrible….terrible is not the word. and c’mere would ya have gone to the Eid festival yourself, even for a look?

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It is important to note that Archbishop Martin has not said public Mass in over 4 months! This means that his first public appearance was in support of a Islamic feast day. He has done nothing to support Catholics in their faith.

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4.07: What a ridiculous comment… Archbishop Martin joined other religious leaders in a stadium that can seat 80,000…only 200 were present. Get a grip, you begrudger.

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I look forward to Dermo doing a public Mass for 200+ Catholics next week in Croker. He can invite the muslim leaders but I bet they would not show up.

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5.01: A lie. A stupid comment. He was there with other faith leaders to celebrate the Muslim faith feast day. He was right to be there.

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7:20pm
Are you back on the mullie vino again you naughty naughty boy.
Now you know his lordship won’t take too kindly if this gets out.

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I should have said the other day, Pat, when you blogged about Jung, that the case of Carl Rogers and the Immaculate Heart of Mary nuns in LA is very interesting, maybe even worth a blog in itself. They went from 300 nuns, discovered themselves, most left, and at the end there were 5 nuns left and Katy Perry is part of the tale.

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Pat

Muslims in mosques across Ireland are allowed to celebrate Eid but you can’t have a small gathering for a wedding? Make ye sick.

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Funny thing is that the bishops will have polite conversations with Protestants and non-Christians (fair play to the bishops for doing all that, I’m not knocking it) but they won’t meet Pat for a bit of ecumenical dialogue.

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ecumenical dialogue? they never invite him to the annual remembrance service, the Christmas gathering, etc

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BLACKPOOL UPDATE
Thanks to those asking after me today. I’m not a divorcee. I openly admit that my husband is in prison. The only reason I came on here was to ask advice about Fr Daniel Etienne who has been given charge of our Parishes in Blackpool his 20’s. The rudest man I have ever met with zero people skills, living like a Priest from the 1960s and turns his nose up at us, with his Parish dodger friend Fr Robert Billing who is secretly living with him whilst on sabbatical. He is ruining the place and the Bishop doesn’t give a shit. So far I have:
Written to the Bishop, Metropolitan Archbishop, Papal Nuncio and the Vatican – Congregation for the Clergy. None of them have replied.
I have cancelled my standing order as have 11 others – only totals £225 a month, but we hope this will send a message. All of us have moved to other Churches.
We are considering a peaceful protest at the Bishop’s House in Lancaster.
We will be doing a leaflet drop in due course to encourage people to boycott the Parish.
Watch this space and pray for Fr Daniel they he will approach the Bishop and ask to be moved to be mentored by a more experienced Priest. God bless.

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Well done. Every parish these days would miss £ 2,700 per year.

The protest and leaflets are good ideas.

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The moaners leaving to go to other churches is the other churches’ loss and Fr Etienne’s gain.

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6:46, Amen. Every parish has these auld moaners. They purposely love trouble and thrive on it. It’s what gets them going. Their whole lives revolve around drama. When Danny boy is long gone and thought of no more they’ll move onto something else to complain about. “the communion wafer isn’t being enough’, ‘the priest is suspiciously not going to bed until 11, so were moving to another church”, ”I wasn’t asked to distribute the parish bulletin after the 12:30 mass so now I’m changing my whole religion”. I do laugh at these people.

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how could the comment made at 6:26 directed toward 6:46, be listed as being made at 6:26. Pat, are you tampering with the time and comments

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Pat, you may need to log out and reset a new password. Time difference is an indicator that the server is being accessed from another time zone. Somewhere in Europe with a one hour difference.

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If all the moaning Blackpool landladies have moved to other parishes then that’s the end of the matter they can get back to abusing their Polish workers.

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Diarmuid Martin attacked and called a ‘traitor’ by protestors as he arrived at Croke Park. 1:00 minutes onwards

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What’s wrong with a religious leader having dialogue and showing good will to others?

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8.16: Pat, they are not nutcases. They have a democratic right to protest peacefully, pray publicly and express their opinions. You of course don’t respect the right of Catholics to make their views and beliefs own. I presume you’ve not been to a Muslim country and tried to say mass or even find a Church!!: You’re a fruitcake or a nutcase dressed up in crazy gear. You are so anti Catholic.

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I have been to several Muslim countries and said Mass in every one of them.

Who is this group with their tricolours and Hail Mary’s?

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8:29, dialogue yes. Would you go out of your way to visit a family you didn’t know when your own family was in need

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Not just nutters, but dangerous fanatics, intolerant (and probably potentially very violent) by a potent brew of Irish Republicanism and Irish traditional Catholicism.
They make Muslims look quite benign.

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I see Dermo’s limo has been downgraded from a Volvo to a Skoda Superb. Must be because of the corona.

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Bishop Buckley, depending on your virus software, you can sometimes have a live chat with them…..the company…and they can let you know what is happening on your computer ( not the Blog). It can be informative…..!

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Pat, I work in a tech job. Someone said earlier that the server is picking up another time zone. this is correct. you need to change all your passwords.

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But very few Catholics go around waving tricolours, calling DM a traitor and saying loud Hail Mary’s at Croker. They are not normal.

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8:55, some might say eating the body and drinking the blood of a first century deceased carpenter isn’t normal, but there you are

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BObby: I do like your pithy comment. It’s spot on in showing how crazy is the whole mythology of the “Last Supper”, and consequently the practice of the Mass. The Mass practice endures as a symbol of an authority usurped by the clerical caste to demonstrate their alleged power to effect ontological change.
Changing bread and wine into body and blood! Ridiculous! While intellectually I understand this assertion as historically derived from former pre-Christian sacrificial practices, the more I think about it the more unbelievably crazy it appears. And the same applies to much of the rest of religious belief.
MMM

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19 .11

They were very discerning….how much do you think they know? Were there any Dublin clergy present ? You can be sure he holds no candle for Islam either.

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Benelli introduced Dermot Martin to the darkness a long time ago. If you want to get a handle on His Disgrace, trace Benelli and his life….He died of a heart attack at 61. Post Mortem then was not what it is now….

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King Alexander Ill
As with Casaroli….so with Benelli……as it is with Sodano…..and they go on…..

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It has been happening all day….my comments are not synchronised to the time they were made……Bishop Buckley, the Blog today has caused some interest….and not to the usual suspects . They are neither unable to decipher nor have need of a thesaurus . Courage !

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….and throwing gay people off buildings and cutting off the hands of infidels. Mohammad himself was a grand lad altogether – Married a 6 year old child and committed rape. but sure isn’t it just a religion of peace

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21.24

Now Sir, you don’t speak it…I do…..so Ill deliver it phonetically ; ODJEBI

Tomorrow has another significance in Numerology. You 21.24 can give thanks for the silence.

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5:04 above, with the usual lack of social graces you expect of any RC priest, indicates his ‘salary’ is his own business. A very revealing attitude and turn of phrase.
Were he a bricklayer, IT worker or retail worker it would be. Less so if he were a judge, a doctor or traffic warden, because they are public servants and hence public figures. But priests have no concept of being public figures or being at the service of anyone else.
Like all other RC priests he is in it to boost his ego.
Incidentally I don’t call it the Catholic Church because as we all know, the Catholic Church is holy…

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9.04: What a thick comment and most uneducated. I pay my taxes and all liabilities. I am glad to do so out of my salary. Where does your salary money come from if not from taxes? Your stupid assertion that “I am in it for myself” is utterly absurd, since you know nothing about me or what I do with my salary. One thing I know about myself: I am a very generous person. And – may I add: I know perfectly well what the ministry of service in priesthood is about – I’ve spent 40 years endeavouring to help, serve and build up all parish communities where I’ve worked, not always successfully but I try my utmost. I came from a family where hard work, diligence and effort for the good of others were the instilled qualities, underpinned by a strong and committed faith and prayer from my parents and grandparents. Their example of true giving inspired me still. Incidentally, I taught for 4 years before studying for priesthoid….thus my reasonably good track record as school chaplain and manager of school boards…God is good…

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And there you have it…another self-lionising priest, too self-important to work for a living, but not too self-respecting to avoid sponging off others.

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9.04: Are you educated? What a ridiculous generalisation. There’s little evidence of “graciousness” in your comment, more BEGRUDGERY…fool.

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There is the Old Catholic Church……which separated from the Roman one……in fact there are others as well………….words are important Bishop…..are you sure you are saying No to the assertion as asserted?

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my 9:24 comment was correct timing. comments I made in reply to people has incorrect timings.

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Came on and saw 221 comments only to discover 37 of them were by Bill Mulvihill. So it wasn’t as interesting as I thought it would be due the the ramblings of Wandering Willie.

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Fr Bill. I am a former parishioner of yours. Please know you are missed and dearly loved, and we wish you well

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As metropolitan DM has all the power he needs to strongly urge his suffragans to pull out of -aynooth (which isn’t interfering) and to urge they of Cashel and Tuam to urge theirs to do so (which isn’t interfering either) instead of arranging to send the rot to England.

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