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SILVERSTREAM SEX / FUNDS SCANDAL DAY 2.

A COMMENT FROM A READER ON KIRBY’S BIO

“Pat, the following is all taken from Dawn Eden Goldstein’s articles about Prior Kirby. Despite the Benedictine vow of stability he has been going from place to place. Did Meath diocese not do due diligence checks?


Dawn wrote:


Father Mark Daniel Kirby was born in Connecticut in 1952. He began his experience of religious life at the age of twenty in a traditional Benedictine monastery. At a certain point, however, he forsook that cloister in favor of a small monastic community that had nightly Eucharistic adoration, the Brothers of Jesus Crucified of Providence, Rhode Island.
Eventually the community was absorbed by the Cistercian Abbey of Notre Dame de Nazareth in Rougemont, Québec, and it was for that abbey that Kirby was ordained a priest on November 16, 1986.


At some point after ordination, Kirby suffered health issues as well as what he describes as “burnouts” that led him to modify his monastic observances. He writes, “This led to a prolonged absence from the abbey of my profession and, eventually, to my attachment to the Abbey of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome.”


“These were ‘desert years,’” Kirby adds, “full of uncertainties and trials.”


He taught for a brief time and was permitted to serve as chaplain to the nuns of the Monastery of the Glorious Cross in Branford, Connecticut where he could be close to friends and family.


Beginning a Benedictine Life in Tulsa
Late 2007 also saw Kirby enter into discussion with then-Bishop of Tulsa Edward Slattery, sharing his desire, as he would later put it, “to live my monastic vocation in daily Eucharistic adoration and reparation, while offering spiritual support to my brother priests.” The bishop responded in February 2008 with an invitation to live in the diocese, and in July of that year Kirby received permission from the Holy See to be released from the Cistercian order so as to incardinate into the Diocese of Tulsa and renew his monastic vows under Slattery’s authority.


Kirby’s renewal of his Benedictine vows under Bishop Slattery took place on April 2, 2009, in preparation for what would be, in his words, “the foundation of a monastery of diocesan right, dedicated to Eucharistic adoration and to the spiritual care of the clergy: the Monastery of Our Lady of the Cenacle.”


Although Father Mark Kirby enjoyed the support of Bishop Edward Slattery of the Diocese of Tulsa, the monk was unable to find a suitable property in the diocese for his nascent monastery. A new opportunity opened up in October 2011 when, having located a rent-to-buy property in the Diocese of Meath, Ireland, he received approbation from the local ordinary, Bishop Michael Smith, to found a monastery there.
Silverstream Priory in Stamullen, County Meath, had only one member besides Kirby when it opened in late February 2012, but that would soon change. By June 2014, it was reported that the monastery had “far too many young monks (plus interested young men) for their meager means.” In the meantime, Kirby’s friend and chief fundraiser David Craig worked to raise the funds so that the monks could purchase the property.”

MEATH PRIEST

A Meath priest contacted me yesterday to say, and I quote:

“The name of a certain Ann Corcoran of Dublin 4 in the Mid-Louth Independent article which one of the comments cites as one of four “sod turners” for the new monastic church (which has failed to materialize after nearly three years):


https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/mid-louth-independent/20180227/283162904086664

Mrs Corcoran is ex-wife to the late John Corcoran, founder of Paddy Power.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/john-corcoran-obituary-successful-businessman-who-founded-paddy-power-1.3968471

Maybe it’s puritanical of me, but a monastic church being financed through gambling money, readily taken from poor people and gambling addicts, doesn’t seem entirely appropriate. I could be wrong”.

Apart from the priest’s comments – if the monastery is making a profit of some Euro 600,000 a year why has the church not materialised three years after the laying of the sod?

POPE FRANCIS DOCUMENT – REPRECUSSIONS FOR SILVERSTREAM ???

APOSTOLIC LETTER
ISSUED MOTU PROPRIO
BY THE SUPREME PONTIFF
FRANCIS

“VOS ESTIS LUX MUNDI”
 

GENERAL PROVISIONS

Art. 1 – Scope of application

§1. These norms apply to reports regarding clerics or members of Institutes of Consecrated Life or Societies of Apostolic Life and concerning:

a) delicts against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue consisting of:

i.        forcing someone, by violence or threat or through abuse of authority, to perform or submit to sexual acts;

PATS SUMMARY

The situation in Silverstream is out of hand and should never haven allowed to get this far.

Bishop Michael Smith has been more than careless in his oversight of this diocesan monastery.

The “founder” Mark Kirby has been a wandering and meandering monk- what canon law might call a “vagus”.

The spirituality of Silverstream seems to be a mixture of Tridentineism, alleged whispers from tabernacles and homoerotic ideation.

A million Euro a year has been going in there and it costs Euro 300,000 to run leaving an annual “profit” of Euro 700,000.

After years of fundraising no church has been built.

Someone mentioned there been thousands of euros in cash being kept in drawers.

It looks as if Charity Legislation has been ignored.

The Gardai are investigating sexual assaults and misappropriation of funds.

Older monks have been kissing younger ones on the head.

Silverstream needs to be dissolved and the monks given a choice of going to another monastery or back to the world.

Ordained monks should be given pastoral work in Meath.

Dom Kirby needs to retire permanently.

Silverstream has been one man’s fantasy.

A very costly fantasy in terms of human suffering and indeed euros.

143 replies on “SILVERSTREAM SEX / FUNDS SCANDAL DAY 2.”

Even the €300,000 annual expenditure seems excessive for such a small community with no staff wages to pay and food presumably bought in bulk. That’s nearly €6,000 a week!

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How much more corruption, apparently of all stripes, by Roman Catholic clerics must be exposed before even the most die-hard lay person awakens to the increasingly obvious fact that Jesus Christ never intended a clergy, and certainly, never a clerical caste and elite?

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A 8:28: By your use of the word “reject” you indicate that you either have not read, or have failed to appreciate the validity of earlier comments on this blog to the effect that very many distinguished and able individuals, as seminarians, had the intelligence wisdom and foresight to leave the seminary, and the clerical caste, to stew in its own stupor.
Or maybe you reject this perspective and prefer to remain in the swamp?
It’s being drained and exposed, bit by bit.
You don’t like it, do you?
MMM

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We shall fight in Meath, we shall fight on the seas and oceans that border Wicklow or whatever its called, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength. We shall defend our Archdiocese, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets of Dublin, we shall fight in the hills; we shall NEVER surrender. Up yours MEATH!
I’m Canon Matt Hep and I’m running for Archbishop of Dublin
#Vote4Hep. #Cognac #WouldYaBeAble #MakeDublinGreatAgain

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They haven’t moved. I went to the doctor and he prescribed a suppository. Told me to place it in the back passage. I didn’t want to say anything to him, but I live in a council house and there are no back passages. we have a little side entrance for bringing in the coal. So I thought to myself, sure the suppository wont know the difference between the front of a house or the back of a house. so I went off to bed last night, I placed the suppository in the front porch with the geraniums and the busy lilies, and for all the good it did me, I may as well have been sticking it up my arse!

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Yes the funds coming from gambling is dodgy when we know how that can screw up lives.
Buckfast making their living off alcoholic Glaswegians is another case.
And I am sure I have read of the Vatican getting funds from a publishing group whose output includes porn, but can’t now find it online.
The church really is a racket, the morals are just ignored when it comes to money.
I feel any young adult wanting monastic life now would be best setting up their life with a small income and spending time praying the psalms under a director.

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6.05

Praying the psalms under a director? You mean a human director, don’t you?

What is wrong with direction directly from God?

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@07.51, Prior Kirby says that God speaks to him directly out of the tabernacle, like a radio broadcast.

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I do mean a human director, not to take the place of God but to keep an eye in case the person starts thinking God is talking to them. It is a very common safeguard to prevent the kind of thing Dom Kirby writes.

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11.20

I do, you know. But alas not in yours: you have no faith in my operating in such a way. So I can help you only indirectly, provided someone with the faith you lack troubles himself to pray for you.

Direct intervention is by personal invitation only.

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Is it not rather strange that these “gods” invariably “speak” to the alleged prophets, holy persons, or priests, when and where no one else “hears” them: up a mountain, in a cave, in the desert and other “strange” places? Why are all these supposed gods so secretive: so circumlocutious, and generally mysterious in communication?
Why did this alleged Christian god sit on his arse doing nothing for more than a hundred thousand years of homo sapiens miserable existence, and only then decide to “save” us in the convoluted weird way christians claim? Maybe he reckoned all those nasty things his bible tells us about were a “good thing?” And speaking of bibles, why didn’t he just give Moses a PC instead of a tablet so to make spreading his word more widespread?
Ach now this religion is surely a funny business…….business…..AHA! That’s it! A business. A bit like show business: keep them wanting more!
MMM

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Buckfast does not make a living off alcoholic Glaswegians. Local off licences do. The Abbey makes the tonic wine and a distributor supplies it to licensed premises. Do you condemn breweries and distilleries for alcoholism. I have tot of Buckfast tonic wine or Sonatogen tonic wine when I have had a cold or flu as a pick me up.
You really should take up your concerns with off licenses. I suspect that it would not be PC as most of them are owned by ethnoic minorities.

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The situation is so bad the so-called acting / Temporary Abbot needs to get his backside there from Glenstall and stay there until it is sorted out. In the Benedictine rule the Abbot holds the place of Christ in the monastery. So what can we conclude? Sexual assault and financial fraud is not serious enough for the one holding the place of Christ to be there full-time until all issues are sorted.

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The young monks there must feel confused and uncertain.
They do need someone of substance living there to help and guide them.

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With all that money sloshing around that will be enough substance for the young ones, Bp Pat. Viagra will keep the older ones happy.

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Oh, what a dirty old man, Bp Pat! Mind you, there seems to be plenty of tinkler-belles ready and willing.

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8:29am
Patsy do you not think you should wait until the allegations are proved and not just gossip before you start believing it. There a lot of people with their own agenda spreading gossip about all sorts, you should hear what Big Delia say’s about you and yer oratory.

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Pat, if there is a problem surely the former bishop needs to comment? it’s not as if he’s Pope Benedict. It’s not Bishop Deenihan’s baby. But what about Fr John Hogan (refused holy communion to the TD)? Isn’t he the one that brought them here in the beginning?
From Catholic Ireland.net: “We came into contact with Fr John Hogan who is the parish priest of Rathkenny in the diocese of Meath. He said that there was a monastery in Stamullen of the Visitation nuns and they are thinking of leaving.”
And this from their newsletter a few years ago:
1 november — All Saints’ Day, and visit of His Lordship, Dr Michael Smith, Bishop of Meath.
Also, the anniversary of the priestly ordination (by the same bishop) of Father Subprior
24 november — The monks, American and non-American alike, celebrate Thanksgiving Day with a festive meal. They are joined by longtime friend Fr John Hogan, OCDS, P.P. of Multyfarnham, Co. Westmeath

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12:04pm

Don’t be ridiculous I’m very much against gossip, as I was pointing out to dear Patsy you shouldn’t listen to gossip. I don’t believe a word of what Big Delia say’s until it is proved to be true which I sincerely hope it’s not.
Eviva Maria!

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Polly at 12.09

What did I tell you?

Begone!

We see through you.

Go be a reject somewhere else. This blog does not want you. Not even the HOLY GOD wants you.

Begone!

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Please pray for the monks at Silverstream. Their lives matter and subjecting them to unfair j6dgments on this blog is unfair. Let’s have the truth first, not Buckley’s version. God bless these monks.

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People like you wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped you in the kisser like a wet trout.
😃

I have all the details and will publish soon.

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Pat, you have no solid evidence or proof. You dislike tradition so this seems not to matter. In relation to the book In Sine Jesu, it has a Nihil Obstat and an Imprimatur. It is in the sphere of private revelation so nobody has to believe in it. It is popular in its own right because priests get something from the reflections. You also project your own sins on other people, there always has to be some sordid homosexual angle with your commentary even when it does not exist. You throw around accusations regularly which are unsubstantated, causing emotional distress for those who are named. Dawn Goldstein’s piece is very light on any proper critical analysis. She tries to make out that the Prior is somehow tainted because he moved around a bit. Did Sr Lucia of Fatima also not move to different convents, it proves nothing. The so called Meath priest who reached out to you is a shit stirrer not knowing all the facts himself

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7.38

Don’t be disengenuous. Sr Lucia migrated under obedience, not temperamental whim.

Besides, what the heck has her itinerary to do with anything?

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All we need now is for one of the monks to say that Mary appeared to him and told him that Dom Kirby was kissing tonsures on her behalf.

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@10:07 nobody is talking about travelling, it’s about moving from monastery to monastery to join them. Benedictines take a solemn vow of stability and are supposed to have life-long membership of their community, unless it is suppressed or dispersed.

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Can it not be said that it was Providence. God led him to this place. The fact that many men found a vocation here is a sign that his movement was providential as opposed to having itchy feet

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One of Kirby’s rules for admitting new monks is that they don’t have to care for aged parents, yet the monastery chronicle records that he makes frequent trips to Connecticut to visit his aged parents.

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There is nothing unusual about Benedictine Superiors leaving their monasteries to travel, in fact it is ‘the norm’ as there are so may reasons why it has to happen.

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But there is something “unusual” about a prior leaving his monastery “on sick leave” under a cloud of various accusations.

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And Ted Mc Carrick is really a saint.

“There are none so blind as those who do not want to see”.

Rome thrives while people like you worship them.

Fool!

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Pat you often claim to have all the facts and promise to publish them and then never do. But your work of damage by insinuation is done.

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The book was not a theological text book, but a priests reflections. The man is a Dr in Philosophy, who has taught theology

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If a monastery has a superior who is frequently not there then there is something wrong with the monastery.

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Dona at 7:14pm

I was not gossiping Dona I was pointing out to others that there is plenty of gossip about them so they can only expect it back. If you want gossip big Delia’s yer woman.
Eviva Maria!

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Young Monk A: “Hey, Tom! Did you have fun with your silver daddy last night?”

Young Monk B: “Boy, did I! He was so wrinkly and grey. Mmmm. Mmmm. Good.”

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The irony is that if someone like Kirby tried to join Silverstream, Kirby would turn him away for:

A. Being over 35;
B. Having been in a previous monastery;
C. Being unstable – the moving around, the crisis years he had in Rome, and hearing voices.

No wonder he had to set up his own monastery.

Would you take on a person with his history if he applied to be a priest in the Oratory, +Pat? That might be an unfair question but I think that you would ask more questions than +Slattery & +Smith did.

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They say that pervy academics love working in universities because, while they get older every year, new fresh young people arrive every Autumn. Are monasteries that only admit the young at risk of that? The Legionaries of Christ similarly only take young entrants.

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The deans in Maynooth found it much harder to manipulate and mess with the heads of late vocations, who laughed off the antics of the likes of Tom Clancy, Niall Ahern and Paul Prior.

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Surely monasteries should be open to vocations God might send them, regardless of age etc?

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8.49
A very perceptive and insightful comment.

There is some suspicion when orders which at one time admitted new members regardless of age suddenly introduce an age limit in 30’s. Those responsible for the change are likely to be closeted ageing middle-aged homosexuals with conservative public posturing who privately excite themselves at the arrival of fresh young objects of attraction.

This phenomenon deserves further investigation.

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It stands to reason that introducing an age limit is a means towards providing those responsible for formation with a fresh crop of younger bodies each autumn. It would be revealing to identify those who propose lowering the age limit while covering their real intentions in spiritualised cant. It similar to the phenomenon of covert homosexuals shouting loudly against same sex issues. Baffling that they can’t see what everyone else does.

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Being over 35 – no problem
Previous monastery / diocese – no problem after discussion and disclosure.
Voices- worrying.

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It seems pretty obvious what his objective was in establishing a monastery, or a cathouse of young queens under thirty-five.
+Mandy-Rice Smith also has some explaining to do.

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A lot of religious communities have a notional upper age limit but the reason is these places are already like care homes.

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Poor Martina Purdy, the ex-BBC journalist, was dismissed, together with her fellow sister in simple vows, from their convent in Belfast because the solemnly professed nuns were so old and they didn’t forsee getting any more recruits and they feared that the age profile was too high.

The traddy monasteries don’t have that problem if they admit fit young bucks only.

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The strange thing about the monastic church appeal is that they have an architect, plans and full planning permission. They have loads of money coming in and the site was cleared by the young monks working free. Yet not a brick has been laid. It’s usual when fundraising for building projects to make a start, put up the shell to show donors that their money is being used and to encourage other doners to complete the job. It’s very strange it has not started.

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If your profits are Euro 600 ,000 plus annually you could build more than one church.

Hence, the financial investigation.

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That monk with the blond hair and stubble who looks around thirty-something is fooking gorgeous. Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
Oooh, Father, I go funny all over haha 🥰

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There have been some knockabout comments on the blog about Big Tom Deenihan, but to be fair to him, it is clear from reading the priory’s chronicle in their publications that Tom visited the priory much more often and was more hands-on than his predecessor, Mandy Smith. Though I suppose Mandy had her hands full dealing with her diocesan clergy and she was never the most dynamic of bishops. She even makes man’s man Larry Duffy of Clogher look energetic.

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I don’t know for how long there have been problems, but Tom has been bishop for only a while, during which he visited more often than +Smith and he launched the first ever canonical visitation of the monastery.

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Yes. Deenihan is only a while there. I wonder how he is dealing with the victims / survivors ?

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Percy Dearmer? There’s a blast from very far back! Who the hell on this blog – save you and I – has ever heard of The Parson’s Handbook? Today people would imagine niche soft-porn material. The late Canon Brian Brindley was a fan of EuroBoy – also out of print.

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The Blessed Percy? When I was selling books I always loved finding The Parson’$ Handbook. It was almost as good as a $arum Mi$$al.
The late Sacerdote once sent me a few PHs along with an Anglican Missal for doing a favor for him. Talk about an odd combination, but I was appreciative.

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Percy Dearmer! I suspect Anglicans are reading this blog! No doubt Pat would say all are welcome, but the world of Percy Dearmer is far removed from the Divis flats – or anywhere else located in reality. Fascinating stuff though, if you like that kind of thing – rather like Old Norse!

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Quite so @5:59pm, he painted the heels red himself, and the made a hell of a racket as he clattered up and down the aisles in full canon’s attire at the Reading branch of Sainsbury’s. It was the boy on the check-outs there who shopped him to the News of the World. He was a pompous but pretty harmless old queen, who brought gaiety to the poker-faced C of E in those lost days. RIP.

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Seraphim, you previously stated that you are an orthodox Christian. Were you aware that there is a Western-Rite orthodox church that uses the Sarum Missal? An ex anglican orthdox priest called Abbot Michael Wood has responsibilty for it in the UK.

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No, if you disagree with a Jew or former Jew they call it anti-Semitic. It’s classic liberal name calling to avoid any debate

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My wife is US citizen living in Northern Ireland. She has a vote in the US presidential election. I haven’t decided yet whether she’s voting for the Donald or for Sleepy Joe, the hammer of unborn babies.

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Actually probably more people have come come across Percy Dearmer’s work than would know, if only because of his work on hymns and carols. The Parson’s Handbook is very funny in earlier editions because of his catty comments about church furnishings of the time.

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Pat why don’t you do a blog on Very Reverend Gerard Deighan, nothing sexual with him he’s asexual, but he loves dressing up AND he’s up to his neck in the goings on in Silverstream, I’m sure DM will be wondering about the unintended consequences of appointing Deighan as chaplain to the Latin Mass ladies.

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He has a thing for Carrickmacross lace, a great collection and not all of it is ecclesiastical. Some of it is of the Dowager Duchess “Ladies in big knickers” variety

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3.02: Another crackpot pervert commenter. If you want your fantasies fulfilled, ask Pat about Silver Daddies – i’m sure he has advice but you should MYOB.. silly idiot.

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About the comments about anti semitism above, if you disagree with a Cathbot on here they call you a hater and make out they’re being persecuted.
Little tragedy queens.

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Funny you use the word shit. Someone told me today that Napoleon called Bishop Talleyrand “shit in a silk stocking”.

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6.14: Is that suppose to be funny? Pat, ex Catholic – don’t you just love belittling all before you? Look to thine own oratory!!

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Will there be a third instalment tomorrow, Bp Pat, or will we have to wait until you publish all the facts and details in due course?

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I have a very exhaustive document with all the detail. I cannot publish it just now but will do so soon.

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This crowd at Silverstream, and the rest of the neo-trad communities are a joke. They are all just playing at being religious and observant. Underneath the surface there is by and large a group of men who are very dysfunctional, emotionally autistic, messed up, and psycho-sexually odd. It’s pretty much always the case. They end up running from the world and reality and themselves, and play at being something else. Rather than addressing the real issues that they have. You can include in this all those Lefebrist types, all the Transalpine Reds, the daft crowd with pompoms on their birettas in Liverpool, Merseyside and elsewhere, as well as the Cong Orat crowd. They are all a nonsense, and should not be taken seriously. They are arrogant, full of themselves and rigid, but it is only a cover for their gross inadequacies and dysfunctionality, which comes out every now and again and surfaces, so that we can see what a bunch of weirdos they really are. To be pitied. Come back in 20 years and see how many of these nutters are still in harness. Their issues will have gotten the better of them. Enough !

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”Come back in 20 years and see how many of these nutters are still in harness”

I suspect that some will have already experienced a harness 😜

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There are rumours a severed hand has been found in a bag in the Liverpool area, apparently it is not in a good condition and it looks to have been detached for sometime.
Has anybody else heard this?
Apparently it belongs to a white person.

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These were ‘desert years, full of uncertainties and trials’.
So said Kirby of a time in his life in which honest people would say just that they’d had a breakdown. But not for Roman Catholic clerics like Kirby. The ordinary is beneath them; they have to elevate their suffering into something semi-mystical.
What a crock of clericalist, self-conscious, self-aggrandising and utter shite!

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