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ENDA MC DONAGH – CUTE THEOLOGICAL HOOR – OR PROPHET?

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There’s a ludicrous puff piece about Enda McDonagh, saying that the clergy of Tuam twice asked that he be their archbishop. What a joke. He never served a single day as a priest in his home diocese but lived a soft life for decade after decade in a huge apartment in New House in Maynooth.

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Fr Kevin Hegarty Mayo News

I am sure that his many friends in Mayo will join with me in sending best wishes to Fr Enda McDonagh on his 90th birthday. Enda is a proud Mayo man who for over 30 years was Professor of Moral Theology at Maynooth. Some years ago, in a contribution to a book ‘Bekan: Portrait of an East Mayo Parish’, he wrote lovingly of his native place.


The passion for social justice that animates his theology has its roots in his childhood experience. In the article, he evoked how the trauma of emigration had affected Bekan. Of the 20 who were in his sixth class in 1943 only one remained in the parish.
As a moral theologian Enda has an international reputation. Up to the 1960s, Catholic moral theology was dominated by an oppressive legalism. Enda was among those who helped create a theology enriched by human experience, infused by compassion and based on the words and example of Jesus Christ as revealed in the New Testament.


His major concerns include the promotion of ecumenical dialogue between the different religious and political traditions in Ireland, the horror of modern warfare, the poverty of the Third World, Aids victims in Africa, climate change and the pastoral care of gay Christians.


A particular interest in recent years has been his exploration of the fruitful connections between art, literature and theology, while respecting the independence of each of the disciplines. He has written that contemplating the creative work of the artist may open one to the wonder of divine creation.


Literary critic Dorothy Van Ghent judged the authenticity of a novel on its depth of ‘felt reality’. There is a ‘felt reality’ about Enda’s theology that is both inspiring and challenging.


He has played a significant role in Irish public life. A close friend of former Taoiseach, Garret FitzGerald, he advised him on church-state relations. It is a subject on which he is well informed, as he wrote a doctoral dissertation on it.


When Mary Robinson, another close friend, was President of Ireland, he was her official chaplain. In 2007, he was chosen as a canon of St Patrick’s Cathedral, the first Roman Catholic priest to take such a position since the Reformation. His appointment was an index of his commitment to ecumenical reconciliation in Ireland.


Enda is a provocative thinker, an engaging conversationalist and a generous host. He has a delightful sense of humour, tinged with self-deprecating irony. He is the soul of courtesy. One of his friends, sculptor Imogen Stuart, sums him up well:


“When I think of Enda McDonagh my inner eye sees somebody who radiates a deep joyfulness. This joy I imagine was a quality the early Irish monks had and kept through all their harsh and ascetic lives, and in their tumultuous years of raids and other disasters and which they retained. It shows a kind of spirituality you acquire through loving nature – seeing God all around you – seeing God in all living creatures and having an understanding of human frailty. All this is enveloped by Enda’s intelligence, or better said, wisdom.”


His radical thinking on moral issues has often disturbed Catholic church leaders. For a theologian of his perception and intellectual honesty, the institutional church during the papacies of John Paul II and Benedict XVI was a bleak house. His co-diocesans honoured his stature by twice choosing him as their candidate for Archbishop of Tuam. Unfortunately, the Vatican failed to recognise the stirrings of the Holy Spirit among the clergy of Tuam.
Institutional suspicion of his ministry has not embittered him. He has written that ‘harbouring grudges is a human weakness which may become a destructive obsession’.
He once told me that if God granted him three wishes they would be, world peace and justice, full reconciliation between the Christian churches, and Mayo to win the Sam Maguire. The last may yet prove the most difficult to achieve!


Enda – ad multos annos.

PAT SAYS

Enda McDonagh has had a very cosy life. Never in a parish, living in large apartment in Maynooth with all his cooking, cleaning and washing done for him.

He has always hung around with the elite and establishment.

He is the theological darling of the Dublin 4 elite.

He has never been sanctioned by the Vatican like Hans Hung and Leonardo Boff have.

He is a liberal “talker”.

To my mind a true liberal theologian is one that the establishment dislike and punish.

Prophets always pay a price and normally a high price.

Maybe McDonagh was passed over twice for Tuam?

So what? That does not make him a crucified one?

After a life time of observing “liberal talkers” being taken by the hand by by the great and good I am not impressed with that mutual admiration society.

What cross has McDonagh carried?

In what way has he shared Calvary with Christ?

I don’t wish the man any harm.

But don’t expect me to worship and emulate him.


 

107 replies on “ENDA MC DONAGH – CUTE THEOLOGICAL HOOR – OR PROPHET?”

11.02pm: Only the dumb bags fell asleep as they couldn’t understand theology properly.. We’re you one of those dimwits who snored at all lectures??

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Anyone remember Fr Pat Mullins. Lord bless us and save us he was very monotone. I used to sit at the back of lower Loftus, but I think he might have been reading off a sheet.

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Did Enda every say anything that RTE and the Irish Times might disagree with?
Enda was cute enough to hint and insinuate at his liberalism, and let others express it on his behalf, without going far enough to get any censure and give up his very comfortable existence in Maynooth, where he has lived for 30 years post-retirement, hosting his pals Garret Fitzgerald and Mary Robinson.
I never saw Enda celebrate Mass in Maynooth, not once.
The Tuam priests wanted him to be their bishop? He said nothing about the Tuam babies. He was far too grand when he retired at 60 to contemplate finally being a priest in Tuam diocese. What would he know about it, or what it was like for its people and priests?

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”But don’t expect me to worship and emulate him”
But Pat, no one is asking you or anyone else too. Your’e the one who has written the blog, so clearly the man bothers you. You’re the one bringing the issue up. have you thought that you may be a little bit obsessed. I’d keep an eye on that if I were you.

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If you think Bishop Pat is obsessed, wait untill you meet me, sweetie.
I can make the book of Revelation seem like bed time story.
Now on ye bike.

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I agree with your analysis, Pat. Enda is an insufferable bore. Very much overrated as a theologian also. The likes of the ACP fawn over him of course. “In the land of the blind the man with one eye is king”.

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I have a great love and deep admiration for Enda McDonagh. He was always very good to me with his time and advice. A people’s person. A kind and generous man. He has done many a good deed behind the scenes; things for which he sought no recognition nor favours. Theres a place in heaven reserved for Enda McDonagh. Happy Birthday.

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“A people’s person”. Let me translate, “A person who saw others as people first and foremost, not as ideological friends or foes.”

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Listening to EMcD’s lectures was about as interesting as watching a washing machine. The sound of his voice quickly rendered you unconscious.

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You’d think that after 36 years of lecturing he’d have got good at it. That was his job, after all.

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Pat, I usually agree with almost everything you say but I have to disagree with you on this occasion and please allow me to explain: when I entered Maynooth I was formed over time – not by the seminary but instead by those who I hung around with. When I arrived in Maynooth I was no different to anyone else and I arrived with more or less the same amount of idealism as everyone else and did not know what to expect. I was a bit shocked after a month or so to realise (this is well over 20 years ago) that I may as well have been an ordinary Arts student and the only difference was morning, evening and night prayer and of course mass. These all took up about an hour and a half. Anyway, the only formation in theology that I got during that time was the odd retreat (held in the college) and those who I hung around with from up the ‘house’ who were studying theology. Don’t get me wrong, we weren’t talking about theological matters but they used to gossip and one soon learned who was conservative and who was liberal among the seminary staff. So that’s how most of us were formed. Being too young and/or immature we never questioned the views of those we hung around with up the house and I suppose it was up to ourselves to choose whether we were going to liberal or conservative. The northern students were v conservative and of one of them were in a group that you hung around with they invariably dominated the group and one’s outlook. To be honest I don’t know what the junior deans did but they had no impact on our formation. So, fast forward two decades. Some of us were ordained and some weren’t. But what we’ve all learned is that Enda McDonagh might not have been in a parish and might not have had to deal with whatever, but even as a ‘concept’ he has been an elephant in the room. Take the man out of the equitation and imagine that he did not exist as a person but his views existed as a school of thought or even as a concept. Now imagine those views existing at a time when the church was very black and white. His views have been uncomfortable for the rigid in the church who have slowly come around, not fully, but some of the way. He needs to be lauded for that alone. Forget the man, the personality (if you find it off) or the ivory towers of being a don or professor or whatever. Forget all of that. He needs to be appreciated and not dismissed just because he did not spend time as a curate.

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I certainly agree with you that Maynooth seminarians doing arts and science degrees had a life scarely different from that of lay students. There was no specific priestly formation as such, apart from morning and evening prayer and Mass, which, as you say, amounted to an hour and a half a day. In that sense, Maynooth failed in its duty to be a seminary. It was just a hall of residence for those who wanted to be priests and who did their own formation, for good or ill.
Enda McDonagh had no interest in the seminary or seminarians.

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The point about seminaries was to keep the young men occupied until they reached canonical age for ordination. Having young men pray for 90 minutes a day is quite remarkable and in itself leaves a deep mark on them. I hope the morning Meditation is still kept up, plus the evening talks from the Dean and the Spiritual Director.

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Enda has been a source of benevolent liberal Catholicism in the Irish Church for the last sixty years. In fact he was almost the only such presence during long stretches of that time. He was the object of constant hostility from conservative clergy, but merely smiled back at them, building friendships across an incredibly wide spectrum including in the USA and the UK, and becoming a beloved figure in the Catholic landscape. I agree that “he needs to be appreciated and not dismissed just because he did not spend time a a curate.”

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Hi MMM. No not me. I haven’t been on for a while although I’ve dipped in now and than to get a flavour or the goings on. Quite honestly Magna and one or two others vitriolic comments were off putting and Pat’s seemingly inability or unwillingness to moderate them was a turn off. I was also getting treated for illness .
That said Im still around and feeling much better now.
Still enjoy you comments MMM and your witty ripostes.
Enjoying a wee snifter again now that I’m back in the big chair.

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The blog lost many witty and clever regular posters because of Pat’s refusal to ban MC. I’m not sure that the blog will ever recover fully from that unpleasant period.

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Thanks D Dick
.I understand exactly what you refer to about the nature of some of the comments.
Take for example that at 2:49 by M.R. Choice, isn’t it? Mind you I don’t find this kind of thing off putting. It simply confirms the base nature of some small minded unthinking religious weirdos: a confirmation , if you like, of the harmful effects of religion on a weak minded easily led cohort who loudly proclaim an imagined superior moral status as ‘true believers’.
In relation to such, I simply smile at the stupidity.
Good to know you’re feeling better after illness.
Keep safe, and continue to enjoy the BC and BB.
MMM

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He made it cushier as it went along, getting Caritas and Trocaire to fund his study visits to the Third World.

He gradually extended his apartment in Maynooth by absorbing seminarian bedrooms into the apartment. When I was living in New House he took over three adjoining seminarian bedrooms to add to what he had. He must have had 30,000 square feet.

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Enda now resides in a smaller apartment in a different building but I know the one you refer to in new house

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I quote from 9 Feb:
“Pat are you aware of any other cases where Parents had to beg a Diocesan Vocations Director to protect their young Boy [sic] from a member of Seminary Council. It’s a first or is there more Parents.”
A grown man is perfectly entitled to have his parents join in advocating for him if he chooses. Whilst a proportion (unknown) of post-2016 rape allegations may be by wouldbe rapists against intended victims, that doesn’t one jot alter the principle that the entire seminary system, all staff and trustees, and all VDs need totally going over for ideology and intellectual soundness as well as influenceability. Maybe God doesn’t even need seminarians at all, during some periods in history?

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The blog on 30th Mar 2019 contains a welcome testimonial from a priest who was able to enthusiastically continue his self-homeschooling, as well as calls for an apprenticeship model augmented by making use of university courses (including logic and critical thinking).

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‘Logical and critical thinking’ is what got me kicked out of seminary. And no doubt many other.
They don’t want people who can think for themselves, they want slave like robots; ones which don’t report abuse. Or even act to stop it. It is a vicious circle, very vicious indeed.
Come now, ye sons of art; come away!

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You’re very right A@10:33. Seminary staff can’t handle critical questioning, but so also the majority of RC clerics. The only response I got from seminary spiritual director to my searching questions was “have faith my son.” In fairness they readily accepted my decision to leave, and several others I also knew to have doubts soon followed me.
Meeting up with some of them years later we acknowledged a common thread of our previous complete naivete and gullible indoctrinated upbringing. I know that while some of them have retained religious practice, they have been open enough to acknowledge that it’s more for convenience and family/community acceptance.
MMM

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You may indeed be right about Mc Donagh leading a soft, life of ease spouting kindly truisms and cliches in a country where abuse and brutality, exclusion and alienation were the order of the day. But let us not look for martyrs and the crucified as exemplars either, for if that is all we can hope for we will never be free of the lash. I never heard of thIs man, and I cant resist a laugh when I read about him and highfalutin moralism delivered from the top of the dung hill. It reminds me of the three catechisms – the long and the short and the new – I had trashed into me as a child, none of whose simplistic answers would either convince or reassure one when one was confronted with the moral issues Catholic Ireland threw up. And the proof of this statement is the Infantile strategies of denial or hiding adopted by Church itself when faced with any issue involving itself.

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What cross has Enda carried? I know that his colleagues in Maynooth admired the fortitude he showed in times of illness, and the good humor with which he now bears the severe infirmities of age. He is a Mensch!

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Oppressive legalism also known as knowing right from wrong, thank God that New Year’s Day 1960 set us free to find ways to fit Christianity into a moral vacuum.

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Anon@11:15: If I may comment as a freethinker and Humanist.
We don’t seek “to lead into an immoral vacuum”. Far from it!
Perhaps you consider this to be so as you may simplistically think that moral behaviour only arises from religious mandate? If that were true, perhaps you might struggle to explain what moral imperatives existed before the advent of formal religious beliefs, and certainly before the very recent arrival of Christianity. Some of the instructions of the Bible Old Testament narrative are hardly an example of good moral behaviour, are they?
We freethinkers ask difficult questions in the search for self evident verifiable truths. In matters of moral behaviour we are neither dependent on or constrained by the dictates of religious belief mandates, particularly as we see that much of religious belief runs contrary to all logic and reason, and is not supported by anything other than an invariably indoctrinated blind faith.
I believe that morality, which at times can be situational both time and location wise, is derived from humankind’s evolved common consensus of what engenders harmonious well being for the individual and the general community. The Golden Rule of “Do as you would be done by”, is commonly referred to and nicely sums it up. This concept certainly precedes Christianity.
Many freethinkers have a great sense of contentment at being free from the shackles of religious belief.
MMM

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Enda was the target of much suspicion, abuse and sidelining. But he smiled through it all, and thus ensured that the Irish Church would have at least one liberal, humane, modern face. He emanates benignness toward all, but his very existence undercuts the nasty conservatives and stale bureaucrats who would have made Irish Catholicism a nightmare. Ad multos annos!

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7:00am
Surprise! Surprise! yet an other member of The Mutual Admiration Society praising everything liberal modern and anything conservative nasty. Well we have had 50 years of these ejits. Who have made Irish Catholicism the nightmare it’s become.

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Not all conservatives are nasty, to be sure. But I’ve seen Enda chat warmly with extreme conservatives, reaching across stupid divides. I don’t think we can blame the evaporation of Irish Catholicism on “the Church of nice”.

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Happy 90th to Enda! He was interested in what we thought and enabled us to have our voices heard in a public setting. His lectures were the highlight of the week. While his delivery could sometimes be low key, subject of his classes was inspiring and repaid the effort to engage with it. I consider myself lucky to have been his student.

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I found Enda a gentleman in Maynooth. Agree or disagree with his thinking, he was a disparate voice in a world of groupthink, and that in itself was worthy of commendation.

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We are all different in the way we express our creativity, intellect and imagination and academic rigour. Why Pat should single out Enda for analysis is beyond comprehension. It us unjust, u fair and most unkind to a man of his age. So what if he never worked in a parish!! For God’s sake, let him enjoy his lufe without this unnecessary intrusion, with undertones of innuendo. Shame on you Pat. Shame. We could find much in your life to put under the spotlight. Be Christ-like for once.

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That may be so +Pat. But you posted it in what I regard as an unnecessarily negative and critical manner, using a term, “hoor”, which, if I recollect you previously criticised Magna for using in its correct spelling in relation to the RCC.
For what it’s worth, with no knowledge of the man, I think the comment by Anon@ 2:17 is a very fair one.
MMM

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Enda is like Kitty Drury. Both gay and both attracted groupies who hiss and show their claws if you say anything critical about their object of adulation.

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It is important that he didn’t serve in a parish. He was a diocesan priest, ffs, he wasn’t ordained to spend his life in the faded Downton Abbey life of a priest in Maynooth.

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Morning Bishop Pat, how’s the rewire coming on?
Now you make sure you use all the best quality cables and sockets etc., MK sockets are a bit pricy, but they are the best quality and last, mind.
If I were there I would have helped out, but just finishing a few odd ends and stubs on another job.
You deserve a nice holiday as well, so say all of us, so we do.
Keep up the good work, Bishop Pat. You are a bright light which shines in the darkness.
I think the video Masses during lockdown have been good for spreading the message of Christ’s Gospel; maybe this is a new way of Evangelisation to consider, in addition to the usual mode? Food for thought.
God bless you, Bishop Pat, you are a good man x

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The author of the article, Kevin Hegarty, is another ACP moaner, who goes about complaining and sounding like a martyr. Nobody forced him to be a priest or to remain a priest. A couple of years ago he wrote to the Irish Times to urge priests to boycott Chrism Masses because they were a symbol of all-male priesthood. He is part of what he probably thinks of as a patriarchy. If it is, his staying in it helps to sustain it.

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Enda McDonagh is symptomatic of the cringe Irish inferiority complex.
Decades ago he wrote a couple of unreadable, forgotten books while on the staff of a small, undistinguished theology faculty, yet people talk about him as if he’s some great theologian of global repute. He’s scarcely heard of outside the small world of people who were sems in Maynooth, and he’s unknown outside Ireland.

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10.39: You obviously didn’t get very far academically in your life or got overlooked.
What a load of shitty begrudgery. Cop on. What monumental volumes of learning have you produced? Zilch?

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11.23:: Fabulous….👩‍⚕️😿😿😿😿😿😿😿😿😻😻😻😻😻😹😹😹😹😹😹✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌…

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10:39, Have you written a book. Have you been employed by the largest theology department in the English speaking world. Have you championed anything in your life?. I thought not. now go back to eating your kitkats ya auld Nancy 🤣🥳

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I think that the devout lay people who donate to Maynooth, to diocesan priest training and to the St Joseph’s Young Priests Society would be shocked by many things that went on in Maynooth.

Among the most surprising, when you were a seminarian there, was discovering how many of the priests on staff never said Mass.

Most of the staff either concelebrated in the three oratories, or said Mass privately every morning in the side chapels of the college chapel.

Yet there were some who never said Mass at all, unless they were put on the college chapel Sunday Mass rota. Among those priests were the following, who were teaching the next generation of priests:

Enda McDonagh (moral theology) Patrick Hannon (moral theology)
Tom Marsh (dogma)
Gerard Watson (classics)

Many of us wondered if they were believers at all.

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I think that many such priests were atheists or agnostics

Tom Marsh taught me in Waterford. I never once saw him praying and he always slept in for Mass after a night on the whiskey and Dunhill fags

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11.42: Pat, I don’t recall you spending much time in Clonliffe Oratory apart from defined times! Look to the spiritual splinters in your own eyes….you’ll find huge branches in need of removing.

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I’m afraid your recall is very faulty. I spent a fair bit of time in the Oratories in both Clonliffe and Waterford.

In Waterford I was always very edified to find Monsignor John Shine in the college at midnight.

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Paddy Hannon and Tom Marsh were never out of the Roost pub on Maynooth Main Street. The both lived in Stoyte House because it was the college building closest to the town. I think Tom Marsh died in the Roost. He hated seminarians and never talked to them (Enda, Watson, Hannon and many others were like that too) but Tom Marsh loved lay theology students, especially the young culchie girls who took those courses.

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He did die in The Roost. It was all hush, hush, but the world and it’s mother knew. They even put up a plaque In there over his favourite seat. I think he was a deeply troubled man. As a seminarian, I found him terrifying. He reeked of booze and cigarettes, and, while I’m not judging him, it was very unsettling in a classroom. It’s correct to say those who were not seminarians, especially the girls, had a completely different experience. Paddy Hannon was an ignoramus in class, behaving like a frustrated Christian Brother on steroids. He would only let people sit in the middle of the room. I saw him humiliating a mature seminarian who decided to sit at the side. It was awful. On the other hand, I had a family tragedy and he was very tender and even told me he would offer Mass.

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I don’t think so. There was Mrs Mooney, the mother of the hotel owner, Father Eamon O’brien and his female companion and Father John Murray and his female companion. Mrs Mooney always paid the bill.

Father Murray is currently awaiting trial for the abuse of some girls in St Matthew’s parish in East Belfast.

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4 12: Take your chill, depressive pills. And if there are anti hate pills, take them too. And if you are intelligent – which I doubt – you might see differently. The picture you paint is merely in your mind. Not true of all clergy. But….take your anti depression pills. Calm down.

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Why are the blind faithful (above) still claiming not to know what goes on in seminary? In 2020 that is wilful ignorance and deliberate ignoring of the news from at least three decades.
Your church is a racket.
Your clergy are fakes and don’t give a damn about you or your faith.
The very rare genuine one is as blind as you and if recent canonisations are any indication the Saint making business is merely that and your saints are models of either cruelty or masochism who happen to have left no evidence.
Your church is supported by dodgy business including porn.
Your nuns are mere sex toys for the unholy priests.
Money donated goes to fund lavish lifestyles for the few including sauna visits and designer jockstrap.
Which bit of ‘fake’ don’t you understand?

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4.12: OTT – stop perpetuating lies. If you hate all religious people, get psychotherapy. You seem full of anger or perhaps faux outrage. Whichever it is, reach for the therapists directory. Don’t let your anger eat you up. It’s a very destructive poison. Mind yourself, sir!

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4:12pm

The one bit of ‘fake’ I do understand is fake people like you, most of the faithful have no idea what goes on in seminary’s. Its only when you read about the goings on that we see on blogs like this. However you seem to know all about it I wonder if you are just an other reject who indulged in drink, porn, sauna visits and designer jockstraps, sounds like it.

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And another one.
There is literally no reason why the ‘faithful’ lol wouldn’t know. Wilful ignorance.
Baaaaa!
Actually I have done some good today, I have distracted two apparatchiks from fleecing vulnerable people for five minutes!

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12.35: Weren’t you greatvas a student? Pity you don’t refund some of that “spirit” – to be CHRIST LIKE and CHRISTIAN….

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Enda McDonagh was quite happy to get the reputation of being a liberal theologian. It’s easy to be popular and sought out when preaching doctrine that itchy eared wished to hear.
But what did Enda do to deserve that reputation? All the time he was teaching in Maynooth he kept to the party line. He didn’t say the stuff Pat says, because there was a soft job at stake.
So no, he wasn’t a prophet.

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5:34, You’re the kind who would join a golf club on a Monday and by Friday insist on playing rugby on the fairway. another Nancy 🤣

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Anonymous, 5:34, you are exactly the kind of nit-picking nay-sayer that Enda has had to deal with all his life. He stuck to his post despite them all, and stayed on in Maynooth for decades after retirement (paying a substantial rent for his rooms I believe), outlasting his critics and forcing the Irish Church to accept a sane, humane liberal in their midst. In a few more years he’ll be the last priest in Maynoooth, if not in Ireland…

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There are 22 non clerical staff on the pay roll, and 17 clerical staff. lay staff, of any role, od not have access to freebies. Furthermore, there are no housekeepers for clerical staff.

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Resident clerical staff, both active or retired, do have a housekeeping service. I know both clerical staff past and present as well certain housekeeping staff

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I can remember as if yesterday Enda McDonagh describing the demographics and the dynamics of the Dublin Docks in the late 1950’s and early 60 s. A man grounded and so admiring of the mystery… very rare…. but still to be found.

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“ the love of Christ” you say…… apt and iconic of this platform….irony is a gift that is Irish !

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Enda McDonagh broke a red light while driving his car in the 1960s and knocked down my uncle who was a schoolboy at the time. He (McDonagh) called to my grandparents’ house afterwards (they thought he had come to apologise, but he hadn’t) and walked straight in as soon as they opened the door. He went over to my uncle and tapped his arm (which had been broken when McDonagh knocked him down) to check that there really was a cast on it. My grandparents were enraged at his behaviour and his arrogant attitude. Needless to say, he was shown the door very quickly.

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