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AMY MARTIN – AS USEFUL AS AN ASHTRAY ON A MOTOR BIKE.

Amy Martin is one of the poorest Irish episcopal appointments in recent years – if not the very poorest!

He is a “sissy” in a man’s job.

With the Irish Catholic Church in meltdown there was never a more important time to have a gifted man and a man of substance.

We needed double cream.

We’ve got skimmed milk.

Amy is allowing men like John Gates to bully the very ones who have kept the church going for the last 70 years – the elderly.

Anyone know which watch Gates is wearing?

What kind of “man” would pick on old, infirm people to bully?

And why is Amy so weak when vulnerable people continue to be hurt?

Any cleric abusing his parishioners even verbally should be challenged by the bishop and if he continues to do it he should face disciplinery action – up to and including dismissal for gross misconduct.

The problem is that the church and bishops and priests have been allowed to be exempt for so long from employment law.

FIVE REFUSED ARMAGH?

Is it really true that 5 people refused Armagh before CANDIDATE 6 – Amy accepted.

I find that very hard to believe.

Who are these 5?

143 replies on “AMY MARTIN – AS USEFUL AS AN ASHTRAY ON A MOTOR BIKE.”

How many refused cloyne, before cream was plucked from the back end of kerry,as you said yourself bishop pat , he is as much use as tits on a bull, particularly after altergate in killdorrery

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Well, I didn’t wanna say anything on account of me being very humble, but I was once of the five. In fact, I was number one and two as they asked me twice. I said to the Nuncio, ”look, whats in it for me, what will I have to do”. He said, ”mostly keep quiet, send a few lads on further studies, and ignore letters of bullying and intimidation”. I said ‘grand so. whats the salary”. He said ”you’ll be rewarded in heaven”, I said, ”no thanks, you’re grand”.

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9:35, the big mistake they made was telling people about how arduous the journey to the Phoenix park would be; several hours walking, long queues, warm weather. There was even a report about temporary morgues being set up and a concern about the speed of disease. I as a healthy 30 year old was put off by this. I thought id be better off sitting at home watching the coverage. I applied for tickets online and got bumped to the very back row.

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My Timmy is perfectly happy in the parish he only ever longed for and grieving for the children he never had thank you very much.

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Masculinizing hormone therapy like some of the trannies discussed yesterday use maybe the only option in this extreme case.

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Joseph and Mary are having breakfast. Mary puts down her coffee and says: “You know, Joe, at the end of my life, I’m going straight to Heaven!” Joseph looks up from his newspaper and replies: “That’s quite an assumption, Mary.”

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Q: Why is it called the Curia?
A: Because it gets curier and curier.
Q: What’s a good name for a New Evangelisation Regulator?
A: Offmessage.
Q: What’s a good name for a Trandscendental Meditation Regulator?
A: Om-budsman.

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I wonder if the current theme on +Pat’s blog comments, of generally mocking the RCC and its clerical functionaries, is an indication of the increasing proportion of the general public who have wised up to the reality that religion is all a con?
As others have said: just asking ……like.
MMM

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Obviously I’m not MMM but that’s exactly what I was thinking, but with a twist (lol). In recent months the church has been asking us to pray but also asking us for money because donations are down. What a con.
I think a lot of people recognise a difference between the two – and not even spirituality of a new age type necessarily. I think a lot of people with residual Christian beliefs continue to say their prayers but wouldn’t be seen dead in a church.
I do think the clergy have a lot to answer for – there was a post on here a while back about a travelling family going to a wedding and the clergy didn’t miss an opportunity to moan about the attitude of the unchurched to weddings, and more recently there’s been whingeing about funerals.
Your attitude says far more about your approach to other people, guys, and is a large part of the reason people won’t go near a church.

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MMM, I think the public have wised up hugely, but I don’t think that’s indicated by those comments, which I think really show what a bitchy, back-stabbing bunch of touchy old queens the clergy are. Your average person in the street will have no interest in the archbishop, the only people who have a motivation to criticise him are primarily his clergy and then other clerics.

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It’s very striking that if you want to be Archbishop of Armagh, don’t be a priest in a parish.

Amy did 2 years in a parish, the rest of the time he was a teacher priest and a desk priest.

His predecessor, Sean Baptist did one year in a parish. The rest of the time he was a teacher priest and then on the staff of the Irish College.

Cahal Daly, Sean Baptist’s predecessor, never served in a parish. He was a scholastic philosophy lecturer in QUB.

Before him, Tom Fee was never in a parish and spent his entire priesthood studying and on the staff of Maynooth, as did his predecessors, Cardinals Conway, D’Alton and MacRory and O’Donnell, who were never as much as a temporary curate, and before them, the famous Cardinal Logue only did 2 years in a parish, and that was in the 19th century.

Over the past 100 years, the total combined parish service of archbishops of Armagh has been 3 years. I haven’t checked, but Dublin probably isn’t much better.

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For the umpteenth time, by and large clergy aren’t in it to serve others. There is the odd very rare exception.
The church is a mediaeval system of patronage and favours, and that is all it is.
The fact that the lower officials of this system of patronage fail to recognise that is one of the most disturbing things about it.

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11.15: Your comment is a LIE and it suits an anti clerical agenda. A GREAT LIE….BUT THEN THIS BLOG RELIES ON LIES, LIES, LIES..

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I don’t agree with the portrayals of Eamon Martin here. I was in Maynooth at the same time as him. I have barely met him since those days – not more than five times. He is hardworking, kind, sensitive, somewhat driven to do the best he can do, bright, a man of prayer, and a decent human being. I don’t believe he has a bad or vindictive bone in his body. Why are the attacks here so personalised? I’m sure he said yes to the job from a sense of duty and wanting to shoulder any responsibility that comes his way. I find the unprovoked attacks on him here revolting.

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9.58
I had a very different experience of him….opposite polarities to your poles.
There was/is a human being to Sean Brady.

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Amy’s girl, Amy’s girl.
I’m the center, of Amy’s world.
I know I’m Amy’s number one,
and Grindr was my great undone.
du du du
Amy’s girl.

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Bland and ineffectual, he should devote himself to a life of prayer and let someone more suitable take over, someone with energy and enthusiasm. Archbishop Pat Buckley perhaps, it would be a fitting end to your career Pat?

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Pat, is that a black stain on the ceiling of the oratory or just a shadow? its not visible when mass is on but now that the lights are off its very prominent

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Yes there is. The other day I forgot to put out the candles and left them on for 20 plus hours. The Paschal candle caused that smoke stain. Will sort it soon.

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+Pat. Shortly I will arrive in Blackpool for a few days. Staying in a lovely hotel with my husband. I read the awful comments on here about Fr Etienne. I am off to Mass in the morning at St Cuthbert’s and I will pass on the best wishes of you and your followers. I don’t suppose his Bishop ever replied to your email?

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I’m just watching the final bit of the funeral Mass for a former classmate, MOB taking place in the ROI, and shown on-line. Seems strange watching several former college friends, now retired also attending. I’m thinking they’re rather decrepit looking, but sure they’d say that of me now too!

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So you’re looking for a priest over forty totally committed to the Vatican Two project, an admirer of Pope Francis’ ecological outreach including the shamens of the Amazon, a track record of collaboration and bringing out the best from the People of God, open to a regional synod as a model of leadership, personally chaste and squeaky clean but lovingly supportive to gay men as priests and seminarians, austere in his personal habits and tastes but not seeking to impose the same on others, a good humoured communicator but a profound listener etc good luck with that one

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And one of those faults was his shafting Fr Gerard McGinnity over the Ledwith affaur at Maynooth. Mind you, McGinnity didn’t help himself by obligingly bending over for him.

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Tom was one of the warmest people I ever met, a great and holy man with a great sense of fun. The people of Armagh parish took him to their hearts. You definitely cannot say that about Cackle, the Wounded Healer and Amy.

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Pat, I can be critical of the Bishops but I acknowledge that they have a hard job, they are judged to a higher standard. I am going to pray for AB Eamon, he had the guts to take the job. It is a thankless task in many ways but requires devoted service and selflessness

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What? You mean the photo showing two men of the cloth standing suspiciously close to each other with the arvhbishop’s arm firmly round ginger’s narrow shoulders?

That one?

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I don’t think Amy would be capable of intimacy or sexual intimacy. If it happened I’d be shocked.

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I was recently reading about Napoleon Bonaparte’s sister, Pauline (1780-1825), who took on so many well-endowed lovers that her doctors diagnosed her with an exhausted vagina.

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you have not choosen me for i have choosen you said JESUS so the ARCHBISHOP martin did not chosed the job he is in but JESUS picked him out from all the others as HIS right hand man we have to listen to the ARCHBISHOP matin for JEDUS will be ANGRY if we did not

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I thought these hysterical comments were a joke but wouldn’t it be good if someone was seriously posting this.

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Fr Gates is going to be made a Canon in the Armagh clerical changes to be announced imminently. It’s a vote of confidence by the Archbishop and an implied rebuke to the person who has made the PP’s life hell, all over a grave.

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I did. He sent for me when Daly sacked me and chatted to me for 4 hours. He also asked me for a special favour for one of his family members and was delighted to oblidge.

The only time Tom let us down was when he stood by and let Casey and others run Fr McGinnity off the road.

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We met on several occasions. We once met on a July 12th in Dublin when were were both escaping the 12th and had a drink together.

I also met him in Lourdes and Ara Coeli and on another occasion in Divis Flats.

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I’m sorry to hear that. He was personally very kind to me. They called him the “IRA” Cardinal which he didn’t deserve. He referred himself as an “unpolegetic nationlist”. Armagh has never been the same!!

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The British called him the man with a red hat and green heart.

He was the last real human being to occupy Armagh

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oh right. its just that you intimated that you met a very senior church person in Rome. it was implied it was a cardinal. I’m glad you cleared this up.

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Why have Killala lost all their youngest priests. Why are there no vocations? John Fleming will retire in 3 years from now, and with almost 20 years service, he will have ordained only 2 priests for the diocese, with only 1 under the age of 40. what a statistic!

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Time to merge these silly little Irish dioceses such as Killala and Clonfert.

According to the Killala website, Fr Brendan Hoban, one of the leading ACP keeners, does not have a pastoral assignment. He’s listed among the priests of the diocese but does not seem to be attached to any parish and he doesn’t have a desk job either.

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From the Irish Examiner:

“An analysis of priest numbers indicated that, by 2037, the 22 parishes of the diocese would be served by five or six priests.”

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thats only 17 years from now and may not factor in sudden deaths, men leaving the priesthood, illness etc. Any youngster born now in Killala today may not even meet a priest or know one in 17 years from now. Sad isn’t it

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”Fr Tom Doherty, the curate of the parish who was ordained in November 2013, told the congregation that people who voted Yes had given ‘two fingers’ to the Catholic Church” ✌️

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29 active priests in 22 parishes with a catholic population of 38,700. only one under the age of 40. At least 4 of these 29 are drafted in from religious orders. 2 ordinations in almost 20 years. it’s not hard to see where Killala is going.

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9:26, John wasn’t a welcome bishop to Killala, being a blow-in from Limerick. Priests of the diocese had sent two names to the Nuncio for consideration. They were ignored.

”Msgr Fleming said he realised he was not the first choice of the priests of the diocese, and it might be the case that he did not have many of the qualities they deemed necessary in a Bishop”

https://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0219/23296-bishop/

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The ACP has turned Killala into a toxic Diocese. A lot of those priests should have left the priesthood as they don’t believe. It was easier to sponge off the laity and pontificate on local radio. I don’t know the Bishop but he came in against a cabal which needed to be dusbanded

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9:10, the thing about John Fleming is he’s a nice man, but you could sit in his company in Pugin Hall for a hour, and if you met him 10 minutes later in the corridor, he wouldn’t have a clue who you are and act as if he never met you. A priest of a neighbouring Diocese calls him Groundhog Fleming.

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Pat Buckley, there is a new book out about a grey bearded shinner. It claims he was a double British agent and linked to the deaths at Loughall . Did you have a personal gun issued by the RUC?

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Apart from pumping him full of testosterone, Bp Pat, that seems to be no solution from readers for the desissiefication of the +Aul Doll.

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Breaking News from Motherwell
Fr Martin Despard has apparently been dismissed from the clerical state for canonical offences

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Toal made it impossible for him to return and wanted to impose several conditions on him, including a written apology to all clergy in the Diocese and to the lay faithful. Toal is a total bully.

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Can Insp Taggart or big Jim throw any light on this breaking news from across the water. Is this the priest who wrote the book blowing the whistle on the gay clergy cliques in Glasgow etc

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I am not so sure that this has been confirmed, but I will check. I know that his money was stopped by Toal, so could be related. Regardless, Toal won’t release another statement. Despard should re-release his book and stick it right up them. He’s been treated disgracefully.

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That’s a nonsense. Why dismiss him ? He only told the truth about all those wayward, cruising, gay sex, camp, clergy that he knew, in particular that shambolic and immoral crowd he came across in Army Chaplaincy. He was not wrong. They were f**king around all over the place that lot. With each other and anything else that moved. He just told the inconvenient truth, and the Catholic establishment did not like it, so they have pushed him out. Outrageous. One day the truth will come out, and he will be vindicated. There’s a lot to that story. Perhaps their bishop, the military one, should do some asking around…..?

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No one was bothered about the pulpit pooves; it was the insinuation the choir mistress had allegedly… well, let’s just say, slept with male members of the choir. All twelve of them

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Well, someone has just posted this news on the Catholic Truth blog and when I asked for a source, guess what, I was pointed in this direction.

So, no offence or anything but do you have evidence that this is true – not just gossip and/or wishful thinking from the enemies of all things Catholic in the anti-Catholic diocese of Motherwell?

Please and thank you!

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Patricia. This is looking as though it may be true. Toal’s last statement was clear that restrictions had been placed upon Rev Despard that he must sign up to in advance of returning. It was clear that he wasn’t going to accept them. If he was to return, several clergy would walk, so that’s not going to happen. Shouldn’t be left open ended, so perhaps it has reached its natural conclusion. Also, why should Parishioners need to pay for his upkeep when he has done nothing for years? There comes a time when closure is required.

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Inspector Taggart
Thank you for your reply.
I’ve just emailed the Chancellor at the Diocese of Motherwell, to ask if this is true, so if I receive a reply, I will repay your courtesy by letting you know. Just don’t hold your breath!

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Pat does a lovely mass. He has a beautiful voice and presence. I can never make the 12 mass but I enjoy the 5:30. Its great to have this little bit of spirituality. a lovely iirish mass. Thank you Bishop Pat for this lovely gift of joining you.

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Inspector Taggart,
As promised, below is the reply I received from the Chancellor of the Diocese of Motherwell – clearly “Fr D” needs to re-assess the credibility of his sources…
Hi Patricia,
Another hoax or rumour, whatever you want to call it. There is no truth in it.
Best wishes.
Deacon Jim

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8.14: There is a solution.. If ignorant and vile people like you treated people with decency, respect and tolerance and stopped behaving like little girlies in knickers, then we might address people by their proper names and stop ridiculing unbecessarily. It’s philistines and plonkers and emotionally stunted freaks like you that perpetuate this sissie nonsense. Grow up, fool.

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Thank you Anon @ 8:50 for your criticism of the practice of many clerics here, of referring to other clerics by female nicknames and the like. It is infantile, tedious, and simply confirms what someone wrote here elsewhere today: that it just demonstrates the immaturity of the clerical mindset.
And you too +Pat indulge in this practice thereby demeaning your blog and, in the eyes of critics, your own relevance as an objective critic of clerical malpractice.
MMM

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I urge you all the read the late Fr Luigi Villa’s investigations into the lives of the popes since John 23 – you will find the info via the Chiesa Viva website. Particularly on Benedict. Prepare 2 B shocked. Vatican never denied any of it

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