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MONSIGNOR SEAMUS CONWAY – DUBLIN – RIP

Yesterday I heard of the death of Monsignor Seamus Conway pastor emeritus of Booterstown, Dublin.

Seamus and I had a difficult and unfortunate relationship in Clonliffe Seminary from 1970 to 1973.

He was the Dean.

At the time I was very immature and tried to cover up a huge self-consciousness by being a messer and a prankster.

Seamus was a very serious, rurally reared recently ordained priest.

He had been chaplain to Mountjoy Prison before coming to Clonliffe and we used to joke that he had not realised he had been moved 🙂

My pranks and my denial of them got me into trouble with Seamus – and really he had every right to be agitated with me.

I was very immature and at the time seminaries would not have had the understanding to cope with such immaturity.

There were 120 of us in Clonliffe and obedience, order and submission was expected.

Seamus was really too serious and young for the job. In fact he, as a very young nan in Clonliffe, was hospitalised for cardiac issues. I’m sure the stress of supervising and disciplining 120 young men played a large part in his ill health at the time.

He also had to report regularly to the college president Bishop Joe Carroll who was bumptious and authoritarian.

So Seamus was caught between a rock and a hard place.

The biggest prank I pulled off was to throw a ceramic potty from a four storey window one night having been spurred on to do so by others.

The potty crashed into the central tarmac space at the front of the college at 10 pm at night.

We knew there would be repercussions so we all jumped into our pajamas in our own rooms pretendingbto be asleep.

Soon Seamus Conway was on our corridor and had us all lined up in our stripped pyjamas like prisoners of a concentration camp.

Conway was shouting: “Who threw the vessel”.

Nobody owned up.

The class was put under class punishment.

Seamus interviewed us all like the FBI would.

Nobody turned me over.

But Seamus knew I was the culprit.

The day after Seamus was presiding over Benediction on the college Chapel. When it came to the Litany of Our Lady Seamus prayed out loud: VESSEL OF HONOUR, SINGULAR VESSEL OF DEVOTION and we all fell around the Chapel laughing.

Seamus as a Clonliffe seminarian – right.

Every year there was a semiarian’s concert where we all had a good laugh at all the staff.

The next concert we introduced the presentation of a potty as the BALLYMOREUUSTACE PERPETUAL TROPHY to honour the student who has caused the most laughs during the year.

Seamus was a native of BALLYMOREUUSTACE in Co. Kildare.

In 1973 I was expelled from Clonliffe with a reference for another seminary.

Their giving me a reference was generous of them. They believed I had a vocation but thought I might do better away from my home city.

I always blamed Seamus Conway for my expulsion.

But I was wrong.

Monsignor JJ Greehy who was the scripture lecturer in Clonliffe, and on the seminary Council, told me years later it was not Seamus Conway.

Then in recent months DM provided me with the minutes of the Clonliffe Council meeting and I discovered it was Greehy himself who was my undoing!

I have been thinking of writing to Seamus Conway in recent months and weeks.

Now its too late.

I celebrated a requiem Mass for him yesterday at 5.30 pm.

I’m sure we will have our chat sometime in the future in a better place.

IS THIS THE BOOTERSTOWN PARICHIAL HOUSE SOLD FOR E 91,000

CLONLIFFE CENTENARY 1959

113 replies on “MONSIGNOR SEAMUS CONWAY – DUBLIN – RIP”

If it is true that the parochial house in Booterstown was sold for €91,000 when the median house price there is over €479,000 and the average home value €625,000 very serious questions have to be asked of the vendor.

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Property Price Register (Government Body)
THE PAROCHIAL HOUSE
69 BOOTERSTOWN AVENUE
BLACKROCK
Sale Information Date of Sale: 22/11/2019
Price: €91,500.00
Not Full Market Price: No
VAT Exclusive: No
Description of Property: Second-Hand Dwelling house /Apartment
You could check with the land registry in the four courts to see who the purchaser was? The inspection needs to be done in-person from what I recall it isnt online.
https://www.propertypriceregister.ie/Website/npsra/PPR/npsra-ppr.nsf/eStampUNID/UNID-3F21F0626BAB46D2802584D4004CFDBF?OpenDocument

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Jesus Pat stop the lights there were some decent guys around. All I can think of saying is Jesus Mary and Joseph I give you my heart and my soul Jesus Mary and Joseph assist me in my last agony Jesus Mary and Joseph may I breath forth my soul in peace with you

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Clonliffe College has been open to the public as part of Culture Night. It is not the same as it was when it functioned as a seminary, of course! It now is mostly occupied by lay staff and converted into offices.

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Seamus Conway was a very good priest, a kindly, warm human being. The common sentiment all g clergy is one of respect and affection for Seamus. God rest his good soul.

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That building would get more than 91,000 in the roughest part of Dublin.

But in posh Booterstown ?????

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There’s nothing for sale for anything like that anywhere in Dublin. A large period property in that area would be close to €1m. As the estate agents would say, it is suitable for a variety of uses and it looks well maintained.

I wonder if it was some dodge whereby for reasons unknown it was sold by one arm of Dublin diocese to another, without ever entering the open market? But even that makes no sense.

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JESUIT THEOLOGY – ALL ABOUT ME?
I see an ordination took place last weekend +Pat. Irish Jesuit, Niall Leahy was ordained in Gardner Street by Jesuit Bishop Alan McGuckian SJ
In the interview between Pat Coyle of Irish Jesuit Communications and Niall – its all ME ME ME and MY ORDINATION and who I invited and what way I wanted things to go.
Newly ordained and going to further studies in Paris AFTER spending 10 years in formation?
Was the prying prince and former novice in the pews? Maybe with the masks we wouldn’t know?
There is a reason why this order was suppressed by the papacy!
c’est la vie

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At his ordination he wore the stole outside his chasuble, like it was still 1973.

The ludicrously long formation Jesuits have, with them studying all round the world at great expense, is grotesque and unnecessary, especially as they have given up teaching in universities and schools. It must cost a million to train one SJ.

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The altar at his ordination looks bizarre, there’s a big six without candles and pairs of benediction candelabra all with red votive candles, it’s as if the guiding principal is how can we make the altar look flashy ?

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11.24
Do you know anything about Catholic sacramentality? When we take care of the environment we honour God and love our fellow human beings.

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It was a curious mindset to think that someone who had been successively chaplain to a borstal and then a high security prison was the right choice to be a dean of a seminary.

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Thanks for that. Some lovely old rooms. We used to meet in his upstairs study beside his very sparse bedroom and a bathroom that was as clean as an operating theatre.

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John Charles had the tower added so that he could see out to sea. The diocese should have kept the summer palace. It would make a fine retirement home for Dermo.

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No. But he always behaved like a gentleman. We had general chats tea and buns baked by the nuns and I went to Confession to him. The nuns were Notre Dame de Missiones – an order in which I have a cousin.

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Very edifying, go into a presbytery today and be amazed at the amount of material objects cluttering every room especially the big televisions and the endless shelves of DVDs, I’ve just been in two different ones and the same story

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VOYEURISM?
John Cooney’s book, John Charles McQuaid Ruler of Catholic Ireland, it said the Archbishop used his eye in the sky for more prurient pursuits.
Allegations he used the powerful telescope lens to spy on courting couples making out on Killiney beach.

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4:47pm
Yes scurrilous unsubstantiated allegations by that dreadful hack Cooney whose book on His Grace Archbishop John Charles McQuaid shows his dislike for his subject on nearly every page. Dr McQuaid was considered authoritarian and he was, certain priests at that time were dying to get rid of him. What did they get, Ryan the coldest of cold fish, they got what they deserved and it hasn’t got any better. Look at the state of The Archdiocese now.

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Yes, they got Ryan, who had been Professor of Oriental Languages at UCD and by common consent the least pastoral archbishop of recent times.

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On an industrial scale there is asset stripping by dioceses and orders of church properties from the 19th and 20th centuries. As usual, not a penny will go to the lay flock, who paid for them and who are still being tapped for money despite these windfalls.
Three examples of places I know in Dublin are the Cenacle sisters in Killiney, the Carmelite former seminary called St Mary’s college, and the Reds in Rathgar.
The Cenacles lived in a huge mansion in a lovely part of upmarket Killiney, in Kilmarnock House. It’s final sale price is undisclosed.
St Mary’s College was put up for sale by the Carmelites for a low asking price of €10m. It went for €14m in the end, which is still a bargain. The main building will be a hotel, with houses in the grounds. In that area houses are a half million each.
The Redemptorists, who extract so much money from less well off people during their Clonard Novena, got a whopping €42m for their Marianella house in Rathgar. What will the handful of Irish Reds do with that money.
Meanwhile, would you mind filling out a standing order to help the parish.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/donnybrook-seminary-at-10m-may-be-top-residential-scheme-1.2833266?mode=amp

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Looks like it has a lot of damp. So, probably need to spend quite a bit, probably as much again as the sale price, to fix the roof, gutters, and to bring it up to date with modern plumbing, bathrooms, kitchen etc. Still, could be a fine house.

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That’s a lovely looking house in Kilnavart. Can you imagine it in its heyday? The wining and fine dining? I’d say he ruled by decree from there, d’auld Canon. I wonder did a little Paulette Pry-er go, heart in mouth, in a prim little pair of fresh pastel underpants, to knock on that big door to tell de Canon that he wanted to go away for to be a preesht?

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12.02: What’s your point, Mr.. Poverty? Most of my furniture are gifts given to me, as are paintings, ornaments etc….Actually, if you are interested I’ll give you lots of beautiful ornaments and good cutlery if you wish. Parishioners very often give us gifts that we don’t need, so I pass them on to charity shops. But – we are entitled to make the presbytery a “HOME”. Your observation is one of begrudgery. You are welcome to my creaking “furniture” and “chipped” delph and ornaments. However, I’m keeping my collection of crystal and Jack Yeats paintings!!!! You can have the junk..

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12.47: Indeed “we are entitled” says it all!!! Really, Mr. Begrudgery… Jesus says the labourer deserves his keep. I am delighted be able to let my mother stay with me and my family and friends – I, no more than you, wouldn’t want them lying on bare floors, or drinking out of jam jars or would you? I also use my home for meetings etc….Tough on you Mr. Begrudger…Since I’m assuming you are not a church supporter and therefore do not contribute to any activities, MYOB….Concern yourself with more imoirrant matters…

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at 6:50 – I am glad you feel delighted to host family and friends at the parochial house provided to you AT NO COST but paid for by the PARISHIONERS – SHAME ON YOU – you moocher. Get out and use those hands to labour. Never had a proper job in your life, fleecing the REAL PEOPLE OF GOD. If you had decided, or may I say, the intellectual capacity to get a secular qualification perhaps we might then have sympathy to your claim of entitlement – that is to say – you are of course entitled to spend YOUR OWN WEALTH as you see fit – this shower of scumbag gangsters have SPENT AND SQUANDERED OTHER PEOPLES MONEY – as if it was their own, they have no right, same way you have NO RIGHT to your FREE GAFFE. Get out, get a proper job – you are not part of the Church of Jesus Christ, take a look at what Bishop Pat has done – PAT HAS OPENED HIS HOUSE TO ANYONE – he didn’t say it was for his mother or friends OR meetings with cigars and caviar, you make me sick and also you make Jesus and God sick with this sense of entitlement. There is no such thing as tax payers money only OTHER PEOPLES money and that is what you are happy spending, MOOCHER.

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@6:50
There is entitled and entitled.
The point is your sense of entitlement, and not in a positive sense. It’s exactly the same entitlement which makes the hierarchy think the sheep’s gifts are theirs to dispose of.
Some of us are entitled to have what we want in our houses because we have paid for them with the labour of our hands. You are not entitled to that because you don’t labour and live off gifts like all spongers do.
GET A JOB

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8.02

Totally agree with your post.

They just csn’t hide their supercilious sense of specialness, exceptionalism, and privilege.

And we can’t hide our contempt.

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I can’t imagine why any man needs ornaments? I thought a certain austerity was appropriate in a religious house, homes are for families

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Heterosexual men would be less likely to be interested in ornaments. Gay men want the curtains right, want it homely, and definitely want a special attachment on the shower to douche the anus before sex.
Oh no, I’ve let a clerical secret out…

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There’s a Chinese proverb which says if you have 2 pence/cent left, buy bread with one and a flower with the other.

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8.02: Not very clever, are you? You are the a repeat of Moocher at 7.52: my response and that of many hard working clerics is – MYOB..✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌.begrudgery and jealousy are a poison. Get rid of them.

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12.36 : Pat, that was the Order that Miss Twinky Tits (Twink) – handbagged around the streets when they announced the closure of the school in Churchtown….that Twink one is dangerous. I hope your cousin escaped her foul mouthing…Miss Motor Mouth.

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The death of Fr. Seamus Conway is met wiyh immense sadness on R.I.P website – over 120….lovely, kind, appreciative words of gratitude, affection, respect and admiration. This blog should take note….

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1.49: I take your point. I was merely hinting that some commentators will try their utmost to unearth something to tarnish another’s reputation. In this case, Seamus Conway is integrity par excellence.

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I bet that the new owners will allow all sorts of “irregular union” and same sex weddings in Clonliffe college chapel, a stone’s throw from Archbishop’s House. Dermo could have inserted a covenant into the sale agreement preventing such use, but he probably didn’t think of that, or, more likely, is pleased that that will happen.

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The Chapel is currenty used by the Ukrainian Greek Catholics who have made many renovations to the chapel. Will they still be welcomed?

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Well given the comments always peak on here when there’s any clerical gossip, the clergy are gossipy old queens so would be.

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Lol and then the holy water hens start clucking because someone isn’t interested in a young priest. You couldn’t make this circus up.

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4.26: You, idiot, must give a damn since you commented, albeit negatively and stupidly….Go on, down on your knees and pray for our priests. Be a good, obedient Catholic.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🎼🎼💂‍♂️💂‍♀️💂‍♂️👺👺

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5.23

You certainly don’t know the meaning of the word ‘irony’.

Nothing ironic in my comment at 2.46: I wasn’t interested in that Tuam priest, but in the poster who thought that blog readers might be.

Buy a good dictionary.

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Gerard Quirke is going to Achill? sure what would a young fella be doing out there? Talk about trying to depress the young priests!

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Gerard mellowed BIG TIME throughout formation in Maynooth. Very camp in first year; think Kenneth Williams. By 4th year he had gone all serious, walked and talked very macho.

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6.52
You don’t believe the maturing process stops with the Leaving Cert? What else is third-level education for?

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Paul Prior was not brought up in Ireland. His family moved back from England not long before he started in Maynooth sem.

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5.15 : 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😫😫🤤😫😫🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤣🤣🤣😎…brilliant.

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7.52 and 8.02: Say your prayers tonight that you may not die with such loaded, silly and destructive anger. Were either of you “really” intelligent, you would not use capitals. They emphasize your stupidity, not mine. You’ll never know – and I couldn’t care less – the the level or qulaity of pastoral ministry I carry out. I make no apology for the house which no call my home and which I maintain. Your jealousy, your ignorant begrudgery is absurd. Thank God, we don’t encounter haters like you in our daily lives. That I welcome parish groups to enjoy “my” home for all kinds of meetings is my way of acknowledging the blessings given to me. 7.52: Are you having a breakdown? I’ll pray for you or – seek help. I belong to Jesus Christ and I do my utmost to serve and follow him faithfully, albeit wuth many struggles. Having studied psychology, the wording of your comments suggests someone not at ease with himself. I do not comprehend your begrudgery and I will continue to share generously with others – not just family – the home I have been given. While I have some empathy for you, I have a gut feeling that you have lots of unresolved issues and I suggest that you use your energy to fix yourself and desist from attacking others. Incidentally, if you know Pat’s story, the home he inhabits is paid for by the Down and Conor Diocese. Pat too survives on the kindness of others. That he deserves. Do you think he’s a moocher???? And before you respond, read my comments very carefully. Try to absorb them with some intelligence. God is good to those who trust him.

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Your comment would put anyone off religion for life. A presbytery is a religious house for parochial clergy funded by the parishioners. Of course it should be well kept but surely with a degree of modesty. Your own personal possessions are your own affair but you can’t take them with you. The men in my family only seemed to have books as their personal possessions alongside cuff links and military medals but that was it, the women had the crown derby and the Waterford Crystal. Your home sounds like the Bouquet residence, your welcome to it Father you’ve given up having a wife and family after all …

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As someone ordained in Waterford I received some gifts of Waterford crystal as ordination gifts. I have collected thousands of books.

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Stephen Wilson has returned to Maynooth. Changed Times no more midnight musical knocks at his door. No more pajama parties or teddy bear fights.

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From the point of view of a great friendship I had with Seamus while he was Dean let me assure you of his fun loving and completely non serious side ! There was nobody more full of mischief and I totally, along with others……loved his Company.

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