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IRISH CATHOLIC CHURCH “DISAPPEARED” UP TO 100,000 CHILDREN !!!

The Disappeared http://www.tuambabies.org

Irish Official accounts say almost 60,000 vulnerable babies and children were “disappeared” by the Irish Catholic Church, illegally trafficked, sold like cattle into North America by the Religious Orders of Ireland. But many  groups of Survivors say the figure is at least 100,000. The disappeared children have left a deep scar on Irish Society for decades and for decades to come. Figures as high as 35,000 children are known to be buried in secret graves and septic tanks that haunt the landscape of former Magdalene Laundries, Industrial Schools, Mother and Baby Homes and Orphanages of Ireland. This pattern was similar for those stolen, the women and their children who were taken from their homes in the middle of the night, only to be tortured, raped, enslaved for life at the many Religious run Institutions of Ireland. 

The weak among the children were deliberately starved to death and then crudely disposed of at clandestine septic tank sewage systems. Most of the babies and a few children were disposed of by flushing them down toilets, flushed into secret Victorian sewage systems attached to all Religious run Institutions. After years of investigations, it is thought that some bodies of the disposable babies and children were destroyed with caustic soda, in the abattoirs that operated in all the Mother and Baby Homes in Ireland. We also know that caustic soda was added soon afterward to prevent blockages in the sewage drains, the Nuns taught of everything.  Caustic soda was also known for its corrosive effects by the Nuns and was added by the Nuns to speed up with the decomposition of the child’s body to erase the baby’s identification, while others, babies and children were just dumped, or dismantled  into unknown mass graves. 

Many Religious run Institutions in Ireland have mass secret graveyards for the disappeared, the mothers, the babies, the children, unwanted, not profited by the Catholic Church in Ireland. Children Raped, mothers brutalised by the Religious Orders in their rape rooms of Orphanages, Magdalene Laundries, Industrial Schools, Mother and Baby Homes. I still have hopes of finding the remains of my own Mother, my Brother/s and Sister/s, one day I hope to find them and learn with them, their stories, my story. Today, families of some of the disappeared children are watching closely to see what is recovered from the long delayed septic tank at Tuam’s Mother and Baby Home in the West of Ireland. Over 800 babies and children still remain in the septic tank since it was discovered four years ago. One excuse after another is offered, it’s all to do with saving the Irish Catholic Church public humiliation. After all it was from a Mother and Baby Home run by the Catholic Order of Bon Secours Sisters. The unscrupulous Catholic Nuns disposed of the babies and children into an active septic tank with regularity for over 40 or 50 years. The septic tank was used for human waste, so the babies they flushed down the septic tank were also human waste. It was the diabolical Nuns that disposed of the babies and children into the septic tank with their own human waste. 

The same order of Nuns, also trafficked illegally, over 1,000 more babies and children from Tuam’s Mother and Baby Home into North America. Now we learn that both the Irish Government and the Irish Catholic Church want the septic tank to be kept secret, forever. It is understandable, because if they remove the babies and children’s bodies from this septic tank, they know that they will have to investigate and open probably dozens of other septic tanks and mass grave-pits that dot the religious houses of Ireland. 

Child Euthanasia was carried enthusiastically out by the Religious Order of Nuns and endorsed by the Catholic Church in Ireland in most of the Mother and Baby Home of Ireland. The sanctioned murder of severely mentally and physically handicapped children and young people up to 14 years old during The Cults reign in Ireland. We know that there were so-called special children’s wards at all Mother and Baby Homes in the Irish State. The organised euthanasia of babies and children was carried out with religious fervour, ruthless efficiency by the Nuns that ran all the Mother and Baby Homes in Ireland. 

There are documents to support this, many of the documents come from what are now known as the “Sea Money Files”.Many of the documents are marked “Strictly Confidential” The Nuns called the shots, in all the Mother and Baby Homes in Ireland. Doctors and other medical experts were absent, as were reports that were to be filed with the appropriate health authorities in Ireland. The  pitiless Nuns had decided that if a newborn child is suspected of being afflicted with the following congenital disorders, the child was to die. 

Down’s Syndrome, known at the time as Mongolism, is microcephaly in which the brain  does not develop properly, resulting in a shorter-than-normal head. Malformations of all kinds, particularly the absence of limbs, severe midline defects of the head and spine. Paralysis, including Cerebral Palsy which in most cases was caused by the Nuns themselves, have been untrained as medics. Cerebral palsy is caused by abnormal development or damage to the parts of the brain that control movement, balance, and posture. In some cases the Nuns pulled by force babies out of their mothers. Many within the Catholic Church in Ireland supported euthanasia with great enthusiasm. Make no mistake about it, euthanasia was carried out with ruthless efficiency in all Mother and Baby Homes in Ireland. We know that the Nuns spoke to each other, regularly by phone and letters on their many mutual problems of the Mother and Baby Homes. Exchanging ideas, like what to do with a problem baby with birth defects, how to dispose of the baby, how to continuously collect money from the Irish Government, and finally how to dispose of the baby’s body once it dies. More importantly to the Nuns was how to deal with the unwed mother whose baby they killed and her family. The answer was with fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and fanatical devotion to Holy Mother Church with many a night of inhumane pain, visited upon the unwed mothers, a few as young as 11 years old. 

We also know that even though the babies authorised for disposing off by the Nuns, didn’t died immediately, many of the babies instead were used for months in scientific research run by the International drug companies that paid the Nuns for the live babies, and more shocking kept the dead baby’s bodies long after the child die. Something else, there was close collaboration between the Nuns and their enablers, the Doctors, by the placing of some sick children in Irish asylums, where further experiments were carried out under medical supervision. There were “Special Children’s Ward” in all Irish Asylums, there is evidence that a few hundred children with disabilities ended up in Irish Asylums up and down Ireland. Many of these children died and their bodies were preserved as were their brains for future research. There was no family to object, no written consent, and more importantly no documentation to worry about. 

A few thousand children lost their lives through deliberate malnutrition, disease, and neglect, there was no official autopsy ever performed on the babies or children. Yet many of their brains and organs were kept for research, certainly by the Irish medical schools, a few are kept to this day in both Trinity College Dublin and The Royal College of Surgeons also in Dublin. We know from documentations that two International Drug Companies performed their own unauthorised autopsies on the brains of the dead babies and children. We also know that hundreds, if not thousands of children who had been used in medical experiments, died, soon after they were experimented on, and a few died within a few years after, from the complications of the different drugs they were exposed to. I say that the babies and children who had also been used in the drug experiments were brought to the Religious run Institutions to be murdered. Babies as young as a few weeks old and up to children in the age range of 14 were sadly murdered in all the Religious run Institutions in Ireland and that is a fact.

A few professional Researchers were hired by the Irish Government, most of them Academics who would soon be shocked at what they discovered trawling through the religious secret archives, now known as The Sea Monkey Files. All the Academics found themselves at a loss to convey the horrors they encountered and uncovered while compiling, and trawling through the different archives of all the Religious run Institutions in Ireland. Thousands of Boxes filled with alphabetical lists of heinous crimes, documented in thousands of documents, oversized ledger- books filled with the names of the inmates of the various labour camps they worked in. Many Academics were still trying to grasp the reality of what they read and saw, all were horrified. The Academics discovered and saw the vast crimes committed by all the Religious Orders. To most Academics it was like the death camps of Nazi Germany, they read about in history lessons. One professor wrote that it was “Evidence of pure Evil” as a staunch catholic he wouldn’t believe that he was reading.  His notes, his account is unsparing and graphic, with descriptions of what he was reading as he went through the documentation. He also noted that he could smell the odour of fear leaping straight from the old letters and musty journals in the archives. The professor was still trying to grasp the reality of what he was reading. 

The large industrial processing – of human beings” the illegal trafficking of babies and children. The Academics were stunned to learn, this was Ireland after all they were reading about and not Stalin’s Russia or Hitler’s Nazi Germany. In the early 20th century, a group of powerful and bloody-minded religious men in Ireland hit on the idea of enslaving unwed women and their children, thus adapting the methods of the death camps in Nazi Germany, and pioneering for themselves or what they preferred to call the processing – of human beings.” 

Every act of cruelty suffered by tens of thousands of babies, children, and their mothers was and is a crime against humanity.  Yet the Nuns and other Religious Orders are desperately trying to destroy their terrible relics, the death camps, slave camps of Magdalene Laundries, Industrial Schools, Mother and Baby Homes and Orphanages of Ireland. As long as these slave and death camps stand, all are evidence and living testament to the atrocities committed within their cold stone grey walls by the Catholic Church. Remember too that all the Religious run Institutions have vast unmarked mass graves and septic tanks, filled with women and children. We Survivors must preserve the memory of the our Holocaust, we owe it to the tens of thousands who died brutal deaths as chattel slaves of both the Irish State and – The Banality-of-Evil, that is the Catholic Church.  We must never allow these remnants of human beings, the babies and children to be forgotten. The Septic Tank of Tuam’s Mother and Baby Home and other Septic Tanks in all the Religious run Institutions in Ireland will and must stand as one of the most chilling symbols of the dark days of our most recent history. Let us also not forget that the amoral Nuns had quietly and methodically organised the flushing of over 800 babies and children into their Septic Tank, in Tuam and doing so for over 40 years. Where was their Christian duty of love then, or their Christian compassion.  Maybe the Nuns forgot — Isaiah 49:10

“They will neither hunger nor thirst, nor will the desert heat or the sun beat down on them. He who has compassion on them will guide them and lead them beside springs of water.”

The Catholic Church did not just murder thousand of babies, and children, but their mothers and other women, and their children, but literally “harvested” their remains to the International Drug Companies allowing them to do illegal drug experiments in the Religious run Institutions. Researchers and Academics were highly shocked when they also discovered illegal drug experiments, committed on vulnerable babies and children. The Academics also discovered a brisk trade which emerged between the death /slave camps,The Mother and Baby Homes, Orphanages  the Magdalene Laundries and the International Drug Companies. The Researchers and Academics were reading the reprehensible crimes from the account books kept by all the Religious Orders and their Institutions. 

Not only did the International Drug Companies gave money to the Religious run Institutions, but so did local textile manufacturers. The Laundry was a profitable business for all the Magdalene Laundries, why not it was run entirely by slave labour. Carpets were also made and sold in many Religious run Institutions in Ireland. As was carpentry, tailoring, shoe making, farming, and hiring out domestic servants to locals and the hospitality industry, as well as hospitals, schools, universities. All Irish Government Departments, all the Irish Defence Forces, An Garda Síochána, The Prisons. The true profits made from the illegal selling of babies, children, women and orphanage boys and girls, that ran into tens of millions of dollars a year.  All can now be found and seen in the many well kept ledger-books used as account books by all the Religious Orders. 

My question is “Can one do evil without being evil? And my answer after 18 years in a few Religious run Institutions in Ireland is a resounding YES.  What is extraordinary was that many of the Nuns, Christian Brothers, Priests were just ordinary, probably from good middle class homes. Once in religious life and donning their uniforms many turned into amoral monsters, perverts, pedophiles, sadistic, and yes  ‘terrifyingly normal’. Most performed evil deeds with evil intentions, many seem to get pure joy at inflicting pain on children, and women. What is sad is now I understand, many Religious people I met later in life and spoke to seemed disengaged from the reality of their evil acts. Many  ‘never realised what they were doing’ due to an ‘inability to think from the standpoint of somebody else’. Lacking this particular cognitive ability, they ‘committed heinous crimes, against children and women under circumstances that made it well-nigh impossible for them to know or to feel what they were doing wrong’. All said they were doing the Lord’s work, many religious people said that they drifted into the Religious Orders of the Catholic Church, in search of purpose and direction, not out of deep ideological belief. Sadly many of the Religious Orders afterwards felt no remorse at their actions. There was no particular intention or obvious evil motive they said, things just ‘happened’, many claimed it was the work of the devil or they were led astray by seductive children and their immoral mothers. Owen Felix O’Neill 

                           Survivors Lives Matter 

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2020/07/ireland-mother-baby-scandal-200708133901707.html

Ireland’s Mother and Baby Scandal

In two special episodes of People and Power, (above link) from filmmakers Callum Macrae, Mark Williams and Al Jazeera correspondent Laurence Lee, we investigate deeply disturbing allegations that both the Irish state and its religious orders were responsible for a systematic decades-long regime of institutional neglect and exploitation involving the death of thousands of children.

Over the period from 1922 to 1970, 195,000 children entered the gates of the 50 or so Industrial Schools in Ireland. The period for which they stayed varied widely, but the average was more than 7 years.​

‘There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about our duty to preserve the purity of Irish motherhood through the sanctity of holy matrimony, according to the rites and traditions of the Irish Catholic Church, this was said at the time in the late 1940s.’


The Irish Bishops also said this;-

     “We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.” in eliminating this scourge from our pure Irish society, these unwed women, and their filth, their offsprings.’  

Should the Irish Catholic Church Pay Reparations for Slavery?

  Besides the crime which consists in violating the law, and varying from the right rule of reason, whereby a man so far becomes degenerate, and declares himself to quit the principles of human nature, and to be a noxious creature, there is commonly injury done to some person or other, and some other man receives damage by his transgression: in which case he who hath received any damage, has, besides the right of punishment common to him with other men, a particular right to seek reparation.
— John Locke, “Second Treatise”

    Religious texts in Judaism, Islam and Christianity all recognise slaves. So the question I pose is should the Irish Catholic Church pay financial Reparations to the women and children of their Religious run Institutions, like the Magdalene Laundries, the Mother and Baby Homes and the Industrial Schools of Ireland?. My answer is a clear “YES”, the Irish Catholic Church made money, hundreds of millions of pounds from the dehumanisation and demonising of unwed women and their children. It is naive to think that the past has nothing to do with the shape of today. It’s not enough that the Irish Catholic Church closest to ever offer a full apology was “ with deep sorrow and great sadness”. Financial reparations should be paid in consideration of the forced and uncompensated labour these women and their children performed in the Religious run Institutions in Ireland in which the Irish Catholic Church profited. Also many private institutions and local businesses, profited with the use of free labour from these Religious run Institutions. The main people who profited from the slavery and trafficking of children, itself, were the Irish Catholic Church.

These are the reasons Reparations must be paid and why:

1. The slave women and their children built these Religious Institutions against their will. They were compensated with rape, torture, beatings and death. 

2. The women and their children never had anything of value to pass down to generations to keep their memories alive, many lost their complete families within and because of these run Religious Institutions.

3. Slaves of these Religious run Institutions were not considered humans so we have no true documented history of where we are from, who we are related to or anything pertaining to our family history. Most survivors lost their complete families to the evil system, run by the Catholic Church in Ireland. 

    If we want closure, both the Catholic Church in Ireland and the Irish State must pay Reparations. I believe that our entire Irish society would benefit from this move of paying Reparations to the women and children of these Religious Institutions. First of all, much of the economy of these Religious run Institutions, current and past were built upon the success of the Magdalene Laundries, Mother and Baby Homes and the Industrial Schools, with the use of free slave labour in the form of women and their children. 

    For example all the Magdalene Laundries made money with the use of free slaves in the form of women and their children, who were held captive in these Religious run Institutions.The Religious Orders as slaveowners were allowed to do whatever they wanted to their slaves including beating them, sometimes to death, raping them, including impregnating them, stealing their children and babies from them to be sold as slaves and worse than anything else, dehumanising them. In many areas of these Religious run Institutions, educating their slaves was actually discouraged.

THE AUTHOR

My name is Owen Felix O’Neill, I was born in Dublin, in a Mother and Baby Home, St Patrick’s on the Navan Road, Dublin in 1954. I was put into different Industrial Schools till I ran away at the age of sixteen. I put myself through Catering College, and after two years worked in the U.S.A. and Europe.
The last 35 years or more I started collecting books at auctions or privately, I now buy and restore antiquarian books, the earliest book I have in my collection is for the 7th. century. I have a few of the rarest books in the world. I own over 5,000 books, and ephemera, mainly of the 15th. century to the 19th. century, that are in my collection. My home is a hospital for damaged books and paper. I love all things Books. While I’m not religious, I have a vast English Bible collection, I also restore the word of God. When a book come to me damaged, I renew the books life for another few hundred years. My website is http://www.felixrarebooks.com where some of my collection can be seen.
Book collecting is the collecting of books, including seeking, locating, acquiring, organising, cataloging, displaying, storing, and maintaining whatever books are of interest to a given individual collector. The love of books is bibliophilia, and someone who loves to read, admire, and collect books is a bibliophile. Bibliophile book collecting is distinct from casual book ownership and the accumulation of books for reading.

I decided a year ago to write a book about my brutal childhood, though painful, my story needed to be told. My Book, “Child Laundering Secrets” is the title of my new book now on Kindle and Amazon. I’m proud of the book..it’s not perfect but it’s honest, raw an unvarnished. I have come a long way since my horrendous childhood, but I survived, My collecting of books has helped.

PAT SAYS

What could I possibly add to the above?

I’m shocked.

I’m speechless.

145 replies on “IRISH CATHOLIC CHURCH “DISAPPEARED” UP TO 100,000 CHILDREN !!!”

I literally cannot wait to read the comments from the apologists of this filthy cult, saying you are exaggerating, hating and never left the church and so on.
Strange how these people see the mere statement of the truth about the cult’s behaviour as hatred! So here’s another truth: the only time the RC church is interested in human life is when it is in the womb.

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8.36
NO! You are wrong. How dare you!
The cult doesn’t give even the slightest proverbial about life in the womb either, since the cult has , for most of its Christ-betraying, utter uselessness, approved too of so-called ‘just war’ and, therefore, of the indiscriminate killing that inevitably results from such, including life in the womb.

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You-know-who, he who can’t take the hint, is back with his worn out tropes about just war, and Christ-betrayers. I’m surprised the death penalty didn’t get mentioned for the millionth time 🤣

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Not only exaggerating, but lying outrageously. I suggest you do some fact checking instead of indulging your bile and hatred. The “mere statement of the truth” would do you a lot of good.

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4:08 yes you’re absolutely right, however 11:13 verbalised the truth before I had a chance to 🤣

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“Just war” was an attempt to curb war and ensure that war crimes were punished. It is still the teaching of the church. That’s a far cry from the allegations of nuns euthanizing babies, flushing them down toilets, having secret sewage systems for the purpose in all their homes, selling their bodies to hitlerian/stalinistic scientists, and so on and so forth.

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9.51
Nonsense. So-called ‘Just War’ was a moral rationale FOR war: it was premised on the Augustinian belief that war was sometimes necessary.
Your comment turns truth on its head.

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It’s clear that this website is a receptacle for every kind of garbage and lies. But alas it’s not clear to many gullible readers. Think QAnon.

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10.09
This blog ‘is a receptacle for every kind of garbage and lies’? 😅
Are you sure you weren’t thinking of the RCC? It has been peddling ‘garbage and lies’ for generations, notably its deception of Catholics, by hiding the truth about the sexual criminality of many priests, that clerics were really holy and trustworthy guides to Heaven. THIS is the ‘scandal’ that your church moved Heaven and Earth (but mostly Hell) to prevent, not the rape of children by Father.

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A rape room in every Irish convent. And child euthanasia. Are you for real??? Pat I have great regard for you but this is a step too far. You don’t just read an article and accept it as fact

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Navan Road: What are you quoting? Some mistakes can be rectified, others cannot. Lots of kids were buried in mass graves in those times, including in Glasnevin Cemetery. Death tolls in such institutions were higher in the USA than here. The Tuam nuns registered the deaths and gave a simple burial service. No babies were flushed down toilets, or euthanized, or sold to Nazi style medical research. No active sewage system was involved.

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Some nuns had thrown several babies from an upper window in the 1970s in Burlington VT. The passage quoted is ill selected due to its tone and not being sufficiently larded with examples to illustrate the right strength of the situation. This certainly doesn’t disprove the point just because it partly fails (as a passage) to convince.

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Greetings @ 4:13 am.
“Seeking to nudge the government to finally honor the Tuam children and bring closure to their relatives, Corless wrote last month to the Vatican ambassador asking his views. She had been heartened by Pope Francis’ horror when he learned about the Tuam burials during his 2018 visit to Ireland.
“My query to you is, as papal nuncio, do you think it proper in the name of Jesus to allow these little souls (they are all baptized) to be left in a sewage tank, or do you agree that they be exhumed and given a Christian burial?” Corless wrote Okolo on July 13.
Okolo noted in his reply letter two days later, which Corless provided to The Associated Press, that the final report of the government’s commission of inquiry is pending.
But he quoted Neary, who previously said “it remains a priority for me, in cooperation with the families of the deceased, to seek to obtain a dignified re-internment of the remains of the children in consecrated grounds in Tuam.”
Neary reaffirmed that position as recently as last month, but has also said that if the government chooses to leave the bodies where they are, he would bless the ground.
“I share his views,” Okolo wrote Corless. “It is my conviction that through sincere love, a calm mind, clear-sightedness and mutual understanding, everyone concerned can cooperate to rectify the mistakes of the past.”
Pope Francis himself has urged the church in Ireland to do whatever it can to make reparations for the Tuam burials, which he learned about first-hand from the country’s then-minister for children, Katherine Zappone, with whom he met during his 2018 visit.
In a letter to the pope that she hand-delivered Aug. 27, 2018, Zappone said the Tuam babies were owed the “dignity and respect” that had been denied them in death, and noted the option of exhuming their remains and performing DNA tests on them. She urged the church to “contribute substantially” to whatever decision is taken by the government.”
Consolations.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/vatican-support-exhume-babies-irish-home-71840493

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10:52
The Pope is in the clerical club for years.
He knows how clergy the world over love to gossip.

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I suppose the nazis were a mistake as well. As Pat says there are no words. The challenge is to safeguard the present and the future. Getting rid of the church will solve nothing. However if we wear plastic collars we are committed to proclaiming Christ’s Message. Sadly I don’t see many addressing this central part of the issue

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Flu Onth Wall: The Irish people, the Irish State, the Irish people, and religious orders have been doing deep reflection on that grim past for decades now. But the lunatic bilge posted here today is totally unhelpful.

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I’m not surprised re this. What was more surprising for me personally was the huge massive scale of it. I originally thought it was just our ex alma mater school. But now I know which isn’t. We were forced fed if we didn’t like the food. The nuns had no choice cis they bought food as they didn’t want to waste it. But that money came from our parents pocket back then. Plus brutal toilet training every day Mon to Friday for 5 years which nuns had no medical training nor had any sign language to teach. It was all oral method as they even took place in dept of education special education committee. It was run by a nun daughters of the cross of liege. That nun superior was someway evil as the only person who recognised her as evil was an ex ira member who was involved in ira campaign. He told us that nun was evil based on his experience in ira. Even the teachers were all afraid of her which tells us something. Lawyer and redress board were all shocked as they didn’t want to discuss it or talk about it. In my experience nuns were worse than CBS. if you want to understand why I said re nuns, just watch the movie called ‘philomena’, a true story about adopted kids who went to USA etc.

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10:42am

It was recognized by an ex IRA member that she was evil. How disingenious is that. There were none more evil than the IRA responsible for the murders of hundreds of innocent people so we will take anything from that source with a pinch of salt.

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10.57am
It takes one evil person to recognise another evil person. That deaf man who went to our school and got involved in ira for years told us she was evil even after she was kicked out of school for deaf boys. Most deaf boys who were under that nun regime would concur cos have seen all that under her watch and experienced it. It takes one to know one re evil. To this day I couldn’t fathom as to how she joined that nun order daughters of the cross of liege. She came from northern Ireland. She was brutally ruthless and uncaring,unusual for a nun.

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I am lost for words.
The babies are now beautiful angels in God’s garden in heaven. They are in God’s radiant light and love forever x x

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Peter:
While you are certainly entitled to opinion and views on such matters, for you to make statements of fact like you do @ 11:00 pm, with all due respect to your opinions, is entirely unwarranted. It is exactly the kind of pious make-believe promoted by religious believers as a spurious salve or panacea, often as a cover up for their own actions.
I believe you are entirely misguided, but am most willing to change my opinion if you can offer any sensible evidence.
“Bread today: jam tomorrow.” comes to mind.
MMM

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I am sorry if I sounded pious in any way, I do believe in heaven with all my heart 10:12 am.
I should have worded it a bit different, I understand. I do believe in heaven.
I am a bit sensitive at the moment.
We lost my little cousin, Francesca Bimpson, 3, in a house fire in 2008.
Her dad, Kieran, 48, took his own life 4 weeks ago. He possibly couldn’t cope with the loss.
Love is key x

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Peter, while I am sorry for your troubles, hard headed reality tells me that religion’s spurious claims prosper best when individuals under stress seek comfort in its fatuous promises.
The reality of human existence is tough, brings trials and tribulations, and has death as its final act. And many will say that all of religion is based on offering false promises to “lighten the burden ” of this reality.
I, for one, believe this and prefer to make the best of it here and now, for myself and others.
MMM

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I forgot to add it further to mine earlier post. These nuns ran brutal toilet training without being caught for some 10-15 years despite m mc aleese brother, who was taken out of that school( via their relative who used to work there without reporting it above) . Eventually that nun superior was caught red handed as someone had seen it (cos deaf boy was a nervous wreck after toilet now and again and again etc) . That nun superior was never again a superior ever, nor was she promoted to a higher rank. She was sent home to Tyrone and armagh cos to keep away from school (rep of Ireland). She was some sort of evil re her actions that I couldn’t fathom nor understand it as to why she did it. Ex ira guy who recognised years later as evil. Anyway her school our ex alma mater closed down and sold their lands. They became millionaires when land was sold. Lot of expensive apartments now standing on their land which reminds me of we used to play footie there. They didn’t apologise for their actions as they vigorously defended it as I was surprised to see their letter. They were incapable of seeing themselves in a very bad light which CBS were able to see it and apologied it re their actions. Movies such as magdelene sisters and philomena worth watching re nuns. All under Bishop mc quaid’s time as he founded ex alma mater school for deaf boys with a possibility that he heard stories of abuses in another deaf school. That was one possibility as other possiblity was other school for DB was full in terms of numbers.

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Pat love you’ve lost it. Secret sewerage systems attached to convents, come on. Pure fantasy. This whole issue is an Irish problem. Most priest abusers have been Irish. Most abusive nuns have been Irish. What is it about the Irish then? Oh yes… Catholicism. Easy scape goat. Ireland needs to take a very deep look at itself.

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11:20pm

I take exception to you saying most abusers were Irish there are abusers all over the world USA,Canada,Australia and Britain as well as many more. They were not all Catholic Institutions either, they were State run,Anglican,Salvation Army,Methodist and others I think you need to take a long look at your racist anti- Catholic prejudice.

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2.05pm
Iam guessing that you are a priest. Most abusers all over the world not just the Irish. However I’m not anti Catholic but against the rcc for what they have done. I have to forgive them for what they have done to me and move on. BUT I don’t trust the RCC. It’s simple as that.

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11.45: Who are the parish dodgers? I know if none!!! Who might you have an axe to grind with, I wonder? Be brave, Rev. Fr…stop gossiping. Pooe Francis told us yesterday that gossiping is worse than covid 19: Both are fatal: they kill and destroy in equal measure, albeit differently.

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Tommy Lane and Danny Murphy are returning from soft numbers where they parish dodged by working in seminaries.

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Surely that heading should read.. Irish Church and State – what a shameful, criminal and evil axis in our history – Church and State working together. I am lost for words to express my shame at the horror of abuses inflicted on our fellow human beings and no one in Church or State can show any genuine remorse, responsibility or be truly concerned for the welfare of survivors. Lip service is all that is mostly given. What can we do?

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“The weak among the children were deliberately starved to death (FALSE) and then crudely disposed of at clandestine septic tank sewage systems (FALSE). Most of the babies and a few children were disposed of by flushing them down toilets (FALSE), flushed into secret Victorian sewage systems attached to all Religious run Institutions (FALSE — the septic tank in Tuam was a disused one, and not the site of the burials, and it had nothing to do with the construction of Irish convents). After years of investigations, it is thought that some bodies of the disposable babies and children were destroyed with caustic soda (NO BASIS FOR THIS), in the abattoirs (FALSE) that operated in all the Mother and Baby Homes in Ireland. We also know that caustic soda was added soon afterward to prevent blockages in the sewage drains, the Nuns taught (THOUGHT) of everything (CONSPIRACY THEORY). Caustic soda was also known for its corrosive effects by the Nuns and was added by the Nuns to speed up with the decomposition of the child’s body to erase the baby’s identification, while others, babies and children were just dumped, or dismantled into unknown mass graves. (FALSE)”

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No one is a pure saint, but not all nuns are Nazis either. The bank robber and near murderer going by the name of Owen Felix O’Neill is a totally discredited source and it is totally irresponsible for a bishop to quote him. He also alleged that Archbishop of Dublin McQuaid raped him that the Archbishop of Dublin Martin was told and did nothing. McQuaid died in 1971 and Martin is archbishop since 2004.

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9.55: You evil monster of a liar Buckkey. The vast, vast majority of nuns and religious were kind, caring people. Much better than your perceived smug self righteousness. You are a vicious reprobate and deserter. Go and do something useful and you should research more thoroughly the source of your articles. This article is from an utterly crazy, deranged guy, an utterly discredited source.

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9:55 am
Yeah. Weren’t they just.
That’s why we have – the Ryan,Murphy, Ferns,etc,…reports. More might follow.

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No one is saying they were all “pure saints” but for you to swallow, hook, line and sinker, the garbage you have reproduced (entirely uncritically) on your blog, speaks volumes about you.

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All the ‘anonymous’ merchants are queuing up to cry ‘foul, lies, conspiracy, false’, from behind their high walls, in spite of their anointed ‘abusers’ having already admitted their crimes in courts of law and gotten the taxpayers to pay compensation to their victims. Why the ‘plain people of Ireland’ should have to pay compensation for the crimes of a clique is beyond me as that CatholicIsm is not an ‘established’ in the Irish Constitution, and therefore the state has no say in the formation of their doctrines. These abusers should all have been tried by the police if the state were doing the job. Instead, the fantasies these criminals promulgated in schools they were put in charge of by the state, so they could control of the innocent and the ignorant. And, instead of teaching biology, hygiene, sex education and civics, they were teaching about miracles and apparitions, gods, ghosts and devils, promoting themselves as saviours and castigating others as sinners and the product of sin. What a conspiracy of absurdity. Im not surprised that the Irish State is now tempted to take the same crooked road of information suppression and leave the weakest and most dependant in society, children and women, to fend for themselves. Shame on the governing class of Ireland, shame on the Church Hierarchy, Shame on the abuse deniers.

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11.02: John, try to engage in rational, intelligent debate, not such arrant nonsense. If the Catholic schools taught only the “rubbish” you claim they taught, how come that almost all professional people across every strata of society came from CATHOLIC SCHOOLS…or Religious Ethos Schools…? Why are parents still sending theur children to schools with a religious ethos? They know their children will receive the BEST education. The facts speak for themselves. Don’t go into too much apoplectic lying. It’s bad for your well-being.

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If Anonymous below is so confident in Irish school’s civic and scientific education as delivered by the men of God, wait till the disillusioned of those who no longer attend mass in Ireland has its effect and we may see an emptying of the schools to follow the emptying of the churches. We can see Ireland’s future here in emigrant London already, where the Catholic Church in places like Kilburn, which used to have five packed masses on Sunday, now has one mass made up mainly of Poles and Philippines who haven’t got the message yet. Every major Catholic school here has had an abusive Irish priest quietly transferred to them by an Irish bishop and the the resulting scandal has destroyed the celebrated discipline these schools boasted for a people who had been used to obeying dogmas. The truth is that Ireland’s over vaunted education, which exported some three million of its children to ‘godless England’ where their education proved so poor that they were only fit for digging holes in the road. ‘Every strata of Irish society’ my eye. The facts do indeed speak for themselves and no amount of denial and abuse of the messengers will overcome them.

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Wasn’t it Mons Denis Faul who said that there was a Catholic way of teaching secular subjects?

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I think Emancipation should have been granted in mid 18 th century and Home Rule in mid 19 th. I think it was wrong of Britain to make the Irish church fall back on French teachers with their exaggerated view of priests as mini Sun Kings (Berulleanism). I have read in ‘A Thorn In The Flesh’ how a church-dominated faction further entrenched bad religion into public life in the “south”.

No wonder there are so many mismatches and cross purposes among Irish and English catholics. This is then reinforced by the fact that in England by the mid 1960s we had had the liturgy reforms decided on pre Council implemented, only to be soon swept away, whereas in Ireland you missed out on that.

Ireland: RCC = out and out nastiness for almost everybody but unspeakably reinforced in institutions. (Bp Pat’s family and other genuine people they’ve encountered, excepted.)
England: RCC = mostly, patchworks of rigidity and vacuity. A major accent is on complications (which my family managed to pay no attention to as long as we could – my grandparents “enquired” just as the generation nurtured by St J H Newman had got wiped out by war)
The Continent: RCC = mystique and silliness
USA: RCC = all of the above.

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Pat, to answer your rhetorical question at the end of the post “What can I add to that?” the answer is obvious – some balance, reality and a critical eye. Paper never refused ink. For God’s sake, this is written by some anti church nut.

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I have just listened to that “nut” on Liveline and he spoke passionately about being raped by Christian Brothers ???

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Yes, + Pat, and that is probably true and is able to be evidenced, and deserves to be listened to and taken seriously. But this other trash that you are publishing today is in a different league altogether and most certainly does not need to be given the oxygen of publicity.

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The man also said he was sexually assaulted by John Charles and Diarmuid Martin. These allegations were found to be untrue. The guy has no credibility.

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9.44am PB
you called him a ‘nut’ as you have no understanding. I am very surprised at you. I knew one certain deceased CB who buggered and raped a deaf boy on regular basis when I was only ten (10) years. I hadn’t the foggiest idea re sex but later it dawned on me that he buggered him and ran after him. He was only 13 or 14 that time I think. Where is he now as you would ask. He’s a drag queen in London as I haven’t seen him in years. That’s the real consequences of that CB rapes and buggery.

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What socioeconomic classes did these women in mother and baby homes come from?
Were men incarcerated?
What happened to unmarried pregnant women who had relatives in the institutional church?
Were they incarcerated?
I’m curious.

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MV: You can’t expect an authoritive answer to your queries from this blog. There’s just too many vested interests here over anxious to present their opinions, biases and quote all kinds of contradictory evidence.
I suggest you put “Nuns abuse in Ireland” into your search engine, and, as I have just now, find a wealth of information.
MMM

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But MMM, you definitely need to check the quality of the information that comes up when you google such a topic. For instance, does the info make the point that the “septic tank” was a former, dried tank that was part of the burial area, rather than a functioning tank into which babies’ bodies were flushed down toilets? Our Irish past is depressing enough without adding lurid details.

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Anon 12.02: I agree on need for info quality to be checked, and hope the authoritive independent reports available will have done just that.
MMM

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I think it has to be left to the courts to decide. They did well with the Ryan Report. Nuns could be bullies. My friend worked in a children’s home. One of the children was allergic to eggs. He was force fed on, by a nun and his throat closed. He nearly died. Makes you wonder what’s going on in the third world.

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This report is conspiracy theory on speed. Yes, we know that there have been abuses of children by nuns and priests and laypeople, on Church premises even. But, the wildly overblown imaginings of this report do not deserve to be taken seriously. If there was even a scintilla of truth in these happenings, then I have no doubt that these matters would be the subject of police investigation, no matter how long ago they took place. Just because someone has decided that they are going to write about this stuff doesn’t make it true. But, in true conspiracy style, the fact that it is in black and white attracts attention and some people will run with it. Frankly + Pat I would have thought that you would have seen through it.

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He says he was raped by Archbishop McQuaid and “sexually abused” by the Brothers in St Joseph’s, Tralee (his brithplace being Tipperary). He took this story to Aras an Uachatarain. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/event-honours-birth-of-christian-brothers-founder-1.555698 “The insistence on the Christian Brothers watching the rapes were deliberate Industrial School policy, intended ‘to underline the humiliation’” he says on a site that has now become closed: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=%22owen+felix+o%27neill%22+%22christian+brothers%22
He writes:
“What did he, Archbishop Martin really see? did he see the true filth in all of Roman’s glory at the Vatican ? or did the 60,000 secret files he held in his own vault and knew about and doesn’t speak about shake his chosen faith with idiosyncratic beliefs? But sadly the delusional Archbishop choose his own fate, he took the side of pure evil, because he became one of the rotten apples at the head of the rotten fish.
“Come, I will show you the face of truth, of the one that calls himself Peter, corruptible forever. Surrounded by 214 flesh eating, blood sucking Cardinal Vultures sitting in judgement, and speaking from their distorted mouths of these false prophets, is Hate, Intolerance and Death, filling the pure air we breathe with their raucous grunts, and barks. And No, the Pope, Pope Francis, does not occupy St. Peter’s chair, he really occupies Caesar’s chair, serving up the rancid fish, head and all, camouflaging the foul stench with lashings of rotten apple sauce.” https://www.tuambabies.org/archbishop-diarmuid-martin.html

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9.55: A calm, balanced and intelligent comment. These overly described scenarios are an injustice to truth and to genuinely hurt people. If, as you rightly say, there was believable evidence that such abuses occurred in this grand scale, there would be investigations. Why doesn’t the “author” go to the police?

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@ 9:55: Your dismissive comment flies in the face of reports regularly referred to on this blog site. Have you “been away?”
MMM

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‘In his sworn statement to his lawyers Owen discloses how John Charles McQuaid would provide him with whiskey to rape him, and how McQuaid was “like the pope in Ireland”. Furthermore, in his testimony, Owen describes how the now-archbishop Diarmuid Martin was “a young priest back then and used to come to this Boys Club” and that Owen tried to tell him about the rape, but Martin “slapped him and walked away”‘. Martin was ordained a priest on 25 May 1969 by Archbishop John Charles McQuaid who died 7 April 1971. Martin pursued further studies in the Angelicum in Rome. We are supposed to imagine that McQuaid was vigorously raping boys in the last two years of his life at age 76-77. Why doesn’t Pat use his detective skills to establish the truth of this, simply be asking his friend Dermot Martin?

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11.56
How the hell do you know that McQuaid wasn’t guilty of those crimes? Were you present at the alleged times?
You have an utterly infantile habit of denying serious allegations against clerics not because you have evidence to the contrary, but simply because you don’t want them to be true.
You are like a child who insists that Santa Claus exists because you can’t face the personal misery of his not existing.
Grow up.

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10.42: Buckkey, you are a bad, bad specimen. If you can prove the veracity of these claims, go to the police. You gombeen.

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4:07pm
You have an utterly infantile habit of believing any allegation made against a cleric. How do you know its true were you there? I do not believe anything that Owen Felix O’Neil say’s he has no proof, he’s an adventurer and a criminal just google him and find out for yourself. I do not believe for one moment the allegation he makes about His Grace Archbishop John Charles McQuaid late of Dublin, who to me was a magnificent Prelate beyond compare.

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10.54: But you, Pat, are giving legitimacy to these claims. Be a but more objective and honest, whuch is difficult for you, about the claims being made. Advise the author to go to the police. You will support any and all criticisms against the Church once they comply with your nastiness.

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Sr. Candy. “We” in Enda Kenny’s speech are the Irish people. He does not say, as alleged here, that the nuns in Tuam deliberately starved children.

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Immoral clergy in the 1940’s were secretly housed, while ‘fallen women’ were banished
from Irish society. It speaks volumes. There was a Magdalene laundry in Waterford city.

See Dr. Frances Finnegan’s book ‘Do Penance or Perish: Magdalen Asylums in Ireland.’
Dr. Finnegan was lecturer in Social History in Waterford Institute of Technology.

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From : Amazon.co.uk.

Frances Finnegan traces the development of Ireland’s Magdalen Asylums – homes that were founded in the mid-nineteenth century for the detention of prostitutes undergoing reform. The inmates of these asylums were discouraged – and many forcibly prevented – from leaving,and sometimes were detained for life. Put to work without pay in adjoining laundries, these women were subject to penance, harsh discipline, enforced silence, and prayer. As the numbers of prostitutes began to dwindle, the church looked elsewhere for this free labor, targeting other ‘fallen’ women such as unwed mothers and wayward or abused girls. Some were incarcerated simply for being ‘too beautiful’, and therefore in danger of sin. Others were mentally retarded. Most of them were brought to the asylums by their families or priests, and many were forcibly prevented from leaving. Unbelievably, the last of these asylums was closed only in 1996. Drawing on hitherto unpublished material, Finnegan presents case histories of individual women and their experiences in Magdalen homes, which claimed some 30,000 women in all. Do Penance or Perish is the first study of this shameful episode in Irish history.

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the HOLY NUNS were to do the WILL of the HOLY GOD they acted on HIS orders of LOVE to do the things that were said bad mouthing the HOLY NUNS is attacking the HOLY GOD so there is ANGER in HIM for those ones they had better wait fot it will not be good for them VENGEANCE is MINE says the HOLY GOD and he will have his mound of flesh just wait

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Bishop Pat, I mentioned this before on your blog.
Dr. Denis Lane O Kelly named in the Fr. William Carney case in The Murphy Report
into the Archdiocese of Dublin was a psychiatrist in Waterford City. He worked with the Brothers of Charity in Belmont Park Hospital. I wonder if he was working in this house
set up for immoral clergy in Waterford which the Brothers of Charity lobbied the Bishops
to open.When did this house open and is it still open? If not when did it close?
Can you find out please? Thank you for your great work.

Bishop Pat, here is a link to more on Dr. Denis Lane O’Kelly.
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/sunday-independent-ireland-living/20110911/281642481891906

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Are we sure this house was ever opened?

And ever opened in Waterford?

The founder of the Servants of the Paraclete advised the US bishops to put all such priests on an island off the USA coast.

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2.19 but the bishops who were in charge didn’t do it, they hijacked his establishment instead. When you were a seminarian would anyone have admitted to such a house? If Dr Lane O’K attended errant priests and vulnerable children someone had to keep an eye in case of conflicts of interest – which are attested in some countries. What was meant by “errant” both officially and unofficially? Officially Fitzgerald was only supposed to take addicts.

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Surely Bishop Phonsie knows or can find out from the diocesan archives if such a house for immoral clergy opened in Waterford.

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5:04 pm
Indeed. I cannot knowing how the Church operates.
However it might be in everyone’s interests, including priests, for the Bishop
to confirm or deny if such a house was opened for priests in his diocese.

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I’m not sure. I know the Brothers of Charity place from my time on Waterford- 1973 1976.

I always thought it was for children and young people with slow learning challenges etc.

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BROTHERS OF CHARITY WEBSITE

Brothers of Charity – Our History

The Brothers of Charity Services is an international, voluntary religious organisation founded in Belgium in 1807, by Canon Peter Triest. The Brothers of Charity opened their first services in Ireland in 1883 to provide for mental health needs.

In 1938 they started to develop services for people with an intellectual disability and their families. These services grew steadily over the years, so that today the Congregation is the largest provider of services for people with an intellectual disability in Ireland.

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BROTHERS OF CHARITY WEBSITE

Brothers of Charity – Our History

The Brothers of Charity Services is an international, voluntary religious organisation founded in Belgium in 1807, by Canon Peter Triest. The Brothers of Charity opened their first services in Ireland in 1883 to provide for mental health needs.

In 1938 they started to develop services for people with an intellectual disability and their families. These services grew steadily over the years, so that today the Congregation is the largest provider of services for people with an intellectual disability in Ireland.

Brothers of Charity Services South East

Mission Statement

We in the Brothers of Charity Services value the uniqueness, and respect the rights, of each person in our community. Through partnership we actively promote choice and independence enabling people to gain fulfillment in their lives.

�A not for profit organisation�

The Brothers of Charity Services, South East provides a range of Day and Residential Services, designed to meet the varying needs of adults and children with Intellectual Disabilities within Waterford City and County, and South Tipperary.

Services are provided through service communities. Each service community is small and personalised and has developed its own focus to respond to the needs of those in it.

We recognise the rights of those who use our services to self-expression, self-determination and choice. In recognising these rights, we provide structures where people who use services can represent their views locally, regionally and nationally. We seek to develop self-advocacy skills and provide training in the areas of self-advocacy, assertiveness and rights.

We are committed to the principles of normalisation, socialisation, integration, partnership and most importantly � inclusion.

Company Name:    Brothers of Charity Services South EastRegistered Office:    Belmont Park, WaterfordTelephone:    051 833400Company No:    416982Place of Registration:    Dublin, Ireland.Brothers of Charity Services South East is a company limited by guarantee having a share capital.

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There is an issue here which hasn’t been explicitly said, which is the church’s reputation in some minds.
A parallel may be a business or service which has ended up with a very poor reputation in some people’s minds (whether this is justified or not) because of outrageous abuse and cover up.
If you worked for that organisation and hadn’t done anything you would feel shocked and would stress that that wasn’t everyone.
However if you ministered for a church which did that, what would be the Christian response? What would be the Christian response to outsiders making out that your church is abusive?
I’m fairly sure it’s not going on the internet and hollering lies and hate at people.

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3:16
My church is and has been abusive. I’m not hollering lies and hate at anyone.
Any contributions I have ever made on this blog are facts or based on facts.
Survivors are still being denied justice. Fact.

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What articles on this blog constantly highlight is the use, misuse and abuse of power by
the Institutional church, to the extent of lives being ruined while church authorities constantly refuse to take responsibility. Pope Benedict XVI has stated publicly ‘there is no peace without justice, no justice without forgiveness’.
In practice, it seems to mean little or nothing to church authorities.

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3.33:….Nor do Pope Benedict’s words mean much to the vengeful, lynch mob on this blog!! Just in case you hadn’t noticed….

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3.33pm

Pope Benedict words were totally meaningless. Cos so many files on sex abuses cases landed on his desk for years. He knew it. No excuses. Look at the documentary ‘maxima mea culpa’ as its hard hitting and powerful.

Have a look at the video where he then as cardinal Ratzinger slapped reporter hands for mention of Marciel.

Happy viewing :https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=04dhkyjkcwk

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Oh, Benny’s words do mean so much to me, especially his admission, in the documentary Secrets of the Vatican, that ‘we (priests) bring this filth (child rape and molestation) into the Church’.

You see I was particularly struck by the fact that Benny omitted something he really ought to have said, that priests, like Benny himself, don’t just knowingly admit perverts and deviants to the Church as fellow priests, but protect and cosset them while they are there, and lie to the Faithful about them, and willingly place their children in danger, because these perverts and deviants mean more to the likes of Benny & Co.

You see? We do listen to Benny’s words very carefully, because hypocrites as criminal as this revolting little man really are hard to ignore, you see. 🙄

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While I was reading the article all I could think of were the scurrilous books written for bored Protestants in the late nineteenth century with their titillating descriptions of strange goings on in various Catholic institutions.The Awful Disclosures Of Maria Monk was one that came to mind. Peter Anson once remarked that these works led him first to Anglo-Catholicism and then to Roman.
When I read that the author was an antiquarian bookseller I became more suspicious that he may have been exaggerating based on his reading of moldy tracts.
Perhaps his speculations should be taken with more than a pinch of salt until the facts are known. Actually I would hate it if those old authors were proven right.

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It seems some readers want people here to take a balanced view so I have thought long and hard about it and am striving for balance.
The nineteenth century Protestant pamphlets actually do sound remarkably like this piece which isn’t credible.
However, prepared to find nineteenth century scaremongering unlikely, who would have thought that the real horror the church was hiding was a scandal of terrible child abuse, willingly encouraged by the bishops.
The objective statistics of clerical child abuse are something like 7%, so not terribly high for an individual priest. However I think the reasonable man would rightly be particularly wary of leaving his children alone with a priest (or sister) because it is reasonable to remember that this scandal is ongoing. It is not reasonable for individual priests to think this attitude unreasonable because of the reputational damage the scandal has caused.
Who the priests should be mad at is actually the bishops.
I don’t know of any statistics for proportion of bishops proved to have covered up abuse, but I don’t know of a single diocese or order where it can be proved there has been no cover up, including the release of unredacted records, even without personal details of the priests.
On this basis it is virtually certain that every bishop or major superior will know some dirty secrets.
You may say the church should not be avoided on that basis but frankly there’s so much filth you want to avoid contagion and association.
This is the balanced view which the faithful still won’t want to hear, but you’d better get used to hearing this in the years to come, stop trying the worn out ‘few rotten apples’ technique and learn a new way of dealing with this new reality.
Because if you think this comment isn’t balanced and fair you’ve heard nothing to what will come as the scandal continues.

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8:54

Bella, future generations will have numerous reports, books, documentaries, movies, videos, etc, of Catholic scandals, which will make Maria Monk look like Mary Poppins.

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9:25pm
Oh and I bet you can’t wait because you seem to love any scandal if its against The Holy Church. But don’t worry as Our Blessed Lady has said in the end My Immaculate Heart shall Triumph and Our Divine Lord said the gates of hell shall not prevail. Hopefully by that time you’ll be their, I of course hope for grace and for glory and people like you don’t concern me.

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6:28 pm

A good reasonable balanced comment.
In my opinion, you are right went you say priests should be mad at bishops.
Yes, they need to learn new ways to deal with this new reality.
Honesty, truth , justice and compassion ought to inform any new approach.
I cannot see that happening as the only concern seems to be financial.
How can trust be restored in the institutional church?
I don’t think trust can ever be restored, considering the legacy of institutional
church criminality will be online for posterity.
Unfortunately, in my view, it is not just a few bad apples in the barrel causing problems.
Sadly, the barrel itself, is rotting.

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10:13 pm

Bella, you make huge assumptions based on nothing. ” What you do to the least of my brothers you do to me”. The Gospel is supposed to be our norm. Blessings Bella.

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6.28: A good, perceptive comment. As a priest for 40 years plus, it is horrendous to waken each day to the reality of the abuse scandals within the Church and the unfolding consequences for survivors, families and the Church community. I am of the belief that the recent pandemic has focused our minds much more on the place of non-place of the Church as an institution in our lives.We are in peril as we are leaderless. No one in authority or pastoral ministry has any vision, roadmap or solution to respond creatively to the reality of religious faith and its expression in a changed and changing Ireland. We are on the rear end of the titanic. I can only respond, with limited energy, to those areas of appreciated pastoral ministry where I presently work. I spent my life seeking to be of service in as positive a way as possible. Now, I do not know if I have achieved anything worthwhile. I trust I have but I believe many of us are so drained spiritually and mentally that we are weighed with an almost irredeemable disillusionment. I also believe that many of my colleagues are afraid to be truthful and honest about our broken and dysfunctional Church and priesthood. Smiling our way thriugh is not the answer or blaming others, neither is a pious platitude of saying “trust in God”. I trust in God to help me through each day but in the larger frame of fragmentation, we need inspiring leadership. God expects us to do what is morally right and just and to always do what Christ would do. That, to me, is where we fail in the challenge. Structures, law, rules, harsh morality, readiness to cover up, accountability – these are some of the stumbling blocks to being a true community of Christ.

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Thank you 8:44 and 8:47 for an honest reply to my comment.
I think the roadmap (I should say I am ex-Catholic and now belong to another religion so this is easy for me to say) is found in your own comment about not being sure whether you have done any good. The lack of arrogance there and facing it head on complete with the scandals effect on your own life, is itself the roadmap and certainly I can’t see that you can do better than continue like that.

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Bishop pat, loved the chat on here yesterday about Pearl and Betty Eagleton. Watched itv3 today after 1pm and saw Betty in action – total gossip monger.

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Someone above seems to think St Augustine invented the idea that war was sometimes necessary. But surely that was a well established idea. Some early Christians were radical pacifists, but they were unable to sustain this, rightly or wrongly. Radical pacifist Bertrand Russell also was not able to sustain it in face of Hitler. Listen to this interview from 32.40 on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpohrKaos2o&t=450s

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Shocked but not surprised. Only surprised by the numbers.
Many girls were removed from my home town once fount to be pregnant and we never saw them again.
As a boy of 7 years a priest said he would take me away for a holiday. My mother refused saying I had two holidays yearly and was not deprived. Why would he not take another who never had a holiday. My mother was shunned in the village church after that. She told me the story when I was in my teens. She like many mothers said the rosary every night. It did not affect her beliefs. She simply protected her child.

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