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IRISH MONK ACTIVE ON GAY SCENE AND VISITING SAUNAS.

In recent weeks the blog has been receiving numerous messages about an Irish gay monk who is very sexually active and becoming well known on the gay scene.

The monk is frequenting gay saunas.

BOILER HOUSE SAUNA DUBLIN.

His lifestyle is totally at odds with the solemn vows he has professed.

He is taking very seriously risks and is oblivious to the fact that more and more people are hearing about him.

Its only a matter of time before someone gives his name to some journalist and a massive scandal will ensue.

This scandal will rock his religious order which has a particular reputation for prayer and spiritually.

The blog has been given his name and the name of his order.

Diocesan clergy know about him too.

These are some of the messages we’ve been receiving:

Monkus Erectus

Pat, you’ve gone quiet about Silverstream and Aunty Kirby. What a cheek that monk of xxxxxxx needs investigating. Is xxxxx xxxxxx a celibate? You should check him out. Cute hoor fraud. Cant keep his snake in his habit, any male will do. Has been known to ride fellow monks  but God knows where he got someone close to his own age. He has more luck in the saunas where you might be lucky or unlucky to  Pity poor humble honest having xxxxx to listen to yer man’s sanctimonious shite.

Friar ! uck

Pat, easy enough to work out who xxxxx xxxxx was “with” in Xxxxxxx He likes his own age or slightly older and not many of those in xxxxxxx  in the 1990s. The guy isn’t there anymore. Xxxxxx is brazen too, the Boiler House is risky for a monk. The walls of xxxxx could tell a few tales  I wonder what Bishop Xxxxxxx makes of the lover boy?

PAT SAYS

Nobody is imprisoned in the priesthood or religious life.

As a monk you take a SOLEMN VOW OF CHASTITY.

Diocesan priests take a simple promise (not vow) to remain celibate – unmarried – with obvious implications for sex and chastity.

But the monk is called to strive to become as pure as the driven snow.

Contradictory and all as it is for a diocesan priest to be on the fay scene and in saunas it is mindblowingly contradictory for a monk to be like that.

This monk needs to make a good Confession, change his lifestyle completely or immediately resign his position and return to Civvy Street !

The bishop in the diocese in which he is located needs to challenge him.

This issue will not go away!

160 replies on “IRISH MONK ACTIVE ON GAY SCENE AND VISITING SAUNAS.”

That pic of Boiler House Sauna looks almost identical to the Sisters’ in Seel Street, Liverpool.
Just the statue of Our Lady missing from the window above the door 😂

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Is he a monk or a friar? Monks don’t actually take a vow of chastity. They take a much older vow, that encompasses chastity. It’s conversatio morum.

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Homosexuality in Russia is a crime punished by 7 years in prison locked up with other men. There is a 3 year waiting list.

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How does he get out at night to visit the Boiler House or does he go by day? Does he not have to explain his absences from his monastery? Or does he run the place like the guy in Meath?

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10:20 pm
In answer to your question…
“How does he get out at night… or by day?”
Well, lots of fitness and sports gymnasiums are open till quite late, these days.
Some are even 24/7. Total Fitness run a few 24 hour gymns – to name just one health and fitness chain 🙄

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The bishop in the diocese has no role. He is not the ordinary for this purpose. The abbot of the monastery is the ordinary if it’s a proper monastery. I assume it’s not a fake joint like the place in Meath. That is under episcopal jurisdiction because the bishop established it as such.

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If applicable, I imagine the +Aul Doll would merely admonish the errant monk and send him on his way. Not a lot more he could do, not after Coyle, McCamley, and McVeigh.

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Benedictine monks do not take a vow of chastity!
Monks vows are different to the other orders, societies or congregations.

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Pat, have you heard the great news that since February this year, there has been a Dublin Oratory, based at St Kevin’s, Harrington St. It already has two priests and two sems. It’s the future. They’ll soon have more sems than Maynooth.

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Do you know the name of the Cong Orat priests who have newly taken up residence in Dublin ? I only ask because one of the priests from my local Cong Orat place has suddenly gone MIA, and of course we are all wondering if it’s because of the obvious – intense affectionate relationship (but always non genital / sexual !) with a young man – but we don’t get told because they don’t think that we who pay their bills are important enough to be privy to one of the priests disappearing. Anyhow, they are probably only there because + Dermot was going to have to mothball the place for lack of priests, so he has probably offered it to them as a last resort. It would be interesting to know about the seminarians; they are usually fey, camp little things, barely able to shave, but trying to act like they are 75 years old as they hobble around with the Cong Orat hunchback look. Is there much call in Ireland for their brand of Catholicism ?

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The two priests of the Dublin Oratory (in formation) are two Dublin diocesan priests, Fr Gerard Deighan and Fr Michael Nevin, both of whom serve the thriving Latin Mass community in that church, together with a third Dublin priest.
Dermo, in one of his last decisions, has given permission to Frs Deighan and Nevin to establish the Dublin Oratory (in formation) on an experimental basis for three years, to see how it goes.
I don’t know who the two sems are, except that they are reported to be well-advanced in their studies. It is remarkable, given that the have two sems, and the diocese of Dublin has only one.

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Here’s the press conference where Bishop-elect Mulloy got all filled up and emotional at the enormous honour that had been affforded him in being appointed Bishop of Duluth. Shortly after he was faced with an allegation that he sexually abused a minor in the 1980s in South Dakota. He immediately resigned and Pope Francis instantly accepted his resignation. Oh Lordy Lordy …..

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Ludicrous. They mustn’t do much checking prior to these appointments.

He was already wearing a pectoral cross even though he hadn’t been ordained a bishop.

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12.06
US bishop elect persons wear the cross and purple zuchetto at the press conference announcing their appointment.
There is a canonical anomaly here. Some authorities hold that someone is a bishop as soon as his appointment is signed by the Pope.

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Benedictine monasteries are independent and not under control of local bishops, but directly to the Vatican. That is why most bishops don’t want independent monastic houses, or houses of friars in their diocese.

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What about +Mandy-Rice Smith’s involvement with the hidden-queen, Kathy Kirby, and the establishment of Silverstream? I wonder.

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Solemn vows, mind-blowingly contradictory, massive scandal…!?!?
Bp Pat, I could understand these kinds of descriptions being used in the case of Kathy Kirby and the, allegedly, missing millions, but I can’t see mainstream media going overboard about a dried-up old monk pulling his pud at the local gay sauna.

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Pat,
You’re wearing your journalist hat here and so your business is to whip up interest and scandal always works. But you do that at the expense of theilogy here. Your attempted differentiation between the responsibility of diocesan clergy such as yourself and monks is inane. How do you know so little about these matters?

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Are you saying there is no difference between a 24/7 life of prayer, work and penance and the life of a diocesan priest?

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No. There is. But one isn’t a holier call than the other. There isn’t a hierarchy of ways of life or callings or vocational paths or whatever you want to call them.

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9 27: Pat, you are dancing on the head of a needle in making differentiations between the standards and virtues of monastic/religious calling and that of diocesan priesthood. The calling to holiness or living fully the gospel applies to all. Your differentiation is absurd, your theology, nonsensical and hypocritical. It is an effort to justify your own waywardness. Your quickness to condemn others who do not reach YOUR “double standards” is disgusting. I hope you offer mass today with a penitent spirit. God h-e-l-p you.

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Are there things, like priests and monks misbehaving, that we are not allowed to discuss?

Is discussing the homosexualisation of the priesthood, in Ireland a sin?

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I hope he is well rested. He’ll be flat out meeting all his parishioners and setting out his exciting agenda for the next few weeks. I believe new parish priests are going to be sent to Paul’s parish to learn how things should be done from the master.

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What’s Littleplonker up to these days ? Maniple swishing ? Biretta doffing ? Playing at liturgies that he doesn’t understand ? Screeching theology that he’s learned by rote ? No news is…..boring !

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She’s straining on the leash, chomping at the bit is little Paulette. She can’t hardly wait to muck straight in with all the lads.
She just has so many ideas! Her head is a swirl and she’s in a tizzy. She’s PANTing with expectation and can’t wait to start her interrogations, PRYing anew, in pastures unexplored.
The only thing she is worried about, in her state of high excitement, is that she will peak too soon.
Little ejaculations like “Jesus Mercy, Mary help” she finds calming and keep her focused on the many tasks at hand.

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It’ll be like JFK’s first 100 days. There’ll be at least one pastoral initiative a day. Let the renewal of Mullagh commence.

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There is no way a monk if the Order of Cistercians of the Strict Observance OCSO would go near a gay sauna. Are you mad?

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10.30am: It is beyond my comprehension how you, Pat, a “bishop” can celebrate mass with any authenticity or truthfulness in light of the abusive treatment you dish out on others. You never were and are not an icon of virtue. That’s fine – most of us aren’t. The propensity to dismantle others publicly is not the way of the gospel which you eloquently proclaim. Sadly, the living of the gospel is the REAL CHALLENGE…and in this respect, we all fall short, including you, perhaps to your surprise!!

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No he is not an abuser. He just loves men and wants to hold a man in his arms now and then. This weird discourse trotted out here is that of a self-hating gay.

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10.42: Step back from your monstrous hypicrisy and stinebthrowing, Pat! It is disgusting that you spend your days trawling the gutter for your own personal thrills. You are the most un-holy, un-god-like person I know of. Your readiness to condemn, j6dge and make definitive conclusions abiut the sinfulness of others is nauseatingly sickening. How you can say mass is also beyond my comprehension. We are each sinful and in need of God’s graces, not your smash and destroy abusive treatment of others. You have obviously retired early from CHRIST LIVING.

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Pat is honest. He does not pretend to his congregation that he is celibate or heterosexual. He is straight in his dealings with people. I find it quite toxic that a person who is pretending to live a chaste life of prayer is visiting a gay sauna. It is quite incongruous and very unfair to everyone else.

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Whoa! 😲

Your anger is disproportionate; in fact, I’d say your apoplectic with rage. 😠

Is today’s blog cutting too close to the bone…YOUR bone? 😕

What have you been up to? 😰 Are still up to? 😨

You don’t like judgement, do you? 😎

You had better get used to it, priest. 😈 We are sick of clerical hypocrites pretending one thing to Catholics while doing another. And all the while sponging off their trust. 😵

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BASIC QUESTION FOR ALL READERS

Is a priest religious monk bishop or abbot going to a gay sauna for sex

A sin?
Consistent with his vocation?
A problem?
A matter of public interest?
A private matter?

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12:07 pm

Bella, child rape and covering up child rape is inconsistent with Christianity as well as being inhuman. Dismiss the lot with immediate effect?

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Lots of good priests have sex lives. Pat even praised a priest here a year or so ago who told him all about his sex life.

Sex is not a mortal sin, and can be loving and tender even in gay saunas.

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I have never been in a gay sauna. Are you saying that sauna sex can be loving and tender? Is that the normal in gay saunas?

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12:07pm

Polly would you believe it for once I actually agree with you. But I mean dismiss those who are guilty absolutely, but let us thank God and His Holy Mother for the many good priests we have, who of course we never hear about, you being the odious person you are were meaning all priests. I understand this stems from your rejection as unfit for The Sacred Priesthood but show some compassion for faithful Catholics who are horrified when we hear these disgusting things about clerics who have let themselves,The Holy Church and the faithful down. They will pay a horrendous price at the Judgement Seat, hell for all eternity, you wouldn’t want to be one.

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“I have never been in a gay sauna. Are you saying that sauna sex can be loving and tender? Is that the normal in gay saunas?” They come in all shades, and maybe the Irish ones are sordid and guilt ridden. To be graphic, someone who loves to suck may well do so in a loving tender way. Why would people seek such intimacy if it was only a matter of physical excitement, their own hands can provide that.

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The “sexual revolution” is marked by the amazing freedom of gay places and also by the amazing high quality of porn today. I think both are improving in quality all the time, and may even rejoin the upper echelon represented by such wonderful developments as same sex marriage. I mean that people are very sophisticated in the use they make of sexual opportunities and in the place they give to them in their life. Lots of gay couples indulge occasionally in that naughty stuff with no bad effect on their relationship.

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I think we all know that receiving pleasure from another is much more enjoyable than “sex all alone”.

Surely intimace comes when you are engaging with someone you care about or love and with whom you have an involvement that is emotional as well as physical?

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Many gay saunas have bars where the guest chat in a relaxed and friendly way. We are no longer living in the dark ages.

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A monk can do whatever he wants just like priests … it’s a question of hypocrisy. Should a priest or Monk go to a gay sauna? The answer is: No.

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By all accounts, monks, priests, and protestant ministers are frequent visitors of gay saunas. It’s perfectly understandable. Shake off the clerical persona and enjoy the embraces of some beautiful man, what’s not to love?

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It was a monk, Jovinian, who at the end of the 4th century proclaimed a lax doctrine that undermined the system of Christian asceticism. St Jerome refuted him vehemently, and is not thanked for it today (Elaine Pagels wipes the floor with Jerome in her “Adam, Eve, and the Serpent”), It looks like Irish Catholics have lurched en masse from Jerome to Jovinian. I think all should reflect more carefully on their behavior.

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monks were not priests originally but they are forced to be ordained, for reasons of control. Monks should not be priests, and neither for that matter should priests be monks!

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Pat, have you written to the bishop in question just as a courtesy? And would you have had dealings with this monk’s bishop before?

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Could some technical wizard please invent a touch screen keyboard that types the character on the keys pressed instead of characters to either side of them, or above or beliw them?

Thank you.

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I know of a monk who was hitting on novices. He was flagged to me separately by two other senior monks. Can’t say any more. Known problem. I agree with 12:38 pm approach. Superior needs to be informed.

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If this guy is actually a monk there are very few options but the right action is:
If he is from Rostrevor, write to the abbot or the abbot general at Monte Olivetti.
If he’s from Glenstal – to the abbot or the abbot president of the Annunciation Congregation ( who he is will be on the internet)
If he is a Cistercian – to the abbot of his abbey or the abbot general of the Order of Cistercians of the strict Observance, who do have a website.
If Silverstream to the bishop of Meath. Or just give up lol

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@1:25 to the abbot president if the Benedictine monastery belongs to a congregation or to the abbot general of the OCSO if it’s Cistercian.
I must say there has been a LOT of correspondence about Sadie to her superiors and nobody is interested, apparently to the extent of silencing complainants with money.
It is another case of the same old and mark my words hiding this shit will not end well.

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10.49: Look at your own life Pat – it’s not sparkling with holiness or virtue. Is it? Nor have you made any impact to the practice of Christianity or religious faith formation in all your years in the wilderness. Strange.

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I am not judging individuals. I am exploring RCC teachings and whether their adherents are observing them or not.

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Pat, you’ve written to Bishops about less. Will you include the papal nuncio this time just in case he inflicts this person on any of the dioceses

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Irish agonies about sex… I see our lovely pope from sunny Argentina says sex is a great blessing, like good food. Enjoy!

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Today in, The Preparation Year, Shell, Denny and Shaz decide the good Lord is asking them to follow their own hearts. And not be dictated to by the governor of the torture chamber.
A few of the girls, who know their own minds, decide that they have had enough of being treared subhuman.
Today, the girls are in chapel: it’s all
‘Hymns’, ‘smiles,’ and all nanner ‘pleasantries’.
However, as the girls are bellowing out ‘Give joy to this old tart,’ in chapel, they make for an escape; and a successful one, too.
Will Shell, Denny and Shaz end up joining a religious order in Birkenhead, the same one which Lilly Savage, joined.
The convent of the little poor Clares?
– Or –
Will Shell Docley find it hard to give up gossiping, bingo and Cadburys chocolate bars with the Dime bars mixed in?
Will Denny go back on the game and start working as a trainee stripper at the Big Balloon Club in Seaforth, under the tutelage of big Mamma Pearsons?
And will Shaz end up getting a job as a receptionist or working at the local exchange with the girls?
…Tune in to – The ‘Preperation’ Year – to find out what happens.
https://youtu.be/ptKmeQzAZSs
Copyright – Daisy Productions UK x

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2.01pm Patsy why are you studying RCC teachings? You’ve been chucked out of it and you have said before you have no interest in it yet you are obsessed with it.

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I am not obsessed with it. I am exposing the RCC for what it is. And if that’s an obsession then I have a Magnificent Obsession 😃

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“Surely intimacy comes when you are engaging with someone you care about or love and with whom you have an involvement that is emotional as well as physical?” That’s very prim and proper. Everyone know that you can have thrilling emotional intimacy with someon that does not develop into a long term bond of care, but that cannot be dismissed as merely “physical” either. (No doubt if your society and religion encouraged deep same sex bonds there would not be so much casual sex.)

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I have always encouraged deep same sex bonds.
I have also developed them myself.
Many gay people have talked to me about their sauna trips and have used words like meat, drunken, chickens, old pervs etc.
There’s a lot to be said for a wine and dine date with hours spent at the table in intimate chat and a night spent wrapped around someone with breakfast on bed. And, I do believe that you can have such experiences as a one off.

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Belfast boys refer to our underpants as “monks” – rhymes with “trunks” – as in, if you’re going out on a Friday night, you would shout, “Ma, where’s the clean monks?” Or, if you’re mate got highly agitated or excited, you would say to him, “Alright, don’t cream yer monks”. Or if someone jumped out of the bushes at you, it might be said, “he near shit his monks”. Or, in the changing rooms at the gym, if your brah’s trunks had skiddies, you would say, “the hoods were in your monks” (hoods being joyriders who leave skid marks on the road). Yes, monks are very interesting and versatile. There is more than one or two types of monks.

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You Belfast boys should meet Captain Underpants! 🙂 You would bring a whole new fascinating “monkish” dimension to his collections.

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Don’t forget the Belfast lads who give their monks a sniff in the morning to see if they will get another day’s wear outta them 😁

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Yes, indeed, “the sniff test”. Classic. One of our roommates in the Holy Land does it for us and we give him a few quid per pair of monks. He seems to enjoy it and it saves us having to do it ourselves. Our dispositions can be a bit delicate some mornings after a night on the lash-er-roo. Nothing worse than sitting in a lecture with whiffy monks.😷 🤢

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Nowt wrong with sex, intimacy and relationships. It’s all about what the people involved are saying about themselves publicly, but doing privately. A priest or monk visiting a gay sauna for sex and intimacy is professing one thing on one side of the sauna door, and another on the inside. That’s hypocrisy. Yes, I know we all can do hypocrisy, but this is of a different order, isn’t it ? If they want that kind of life, then all they have to do is leave the priesthood or the monastery, and hey presto there is no problem, in fact we could applaud them for their honesty, transparency and integrity. But, having it both ways, and sneaking about, lying, being one thing in public and another in private is pretty shabby. So, please guys, if you want a bit of cock, do the decent thing and be honest and order your life accordingly. We are not fooled and we know who is playing around. You might think you have it all under control and hidden, but someone knows. And we don’t think much of you.

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“A priest or monk visiting a gay sauna for sex and intimacy is professing one thing on one side of the sauna door, and another on the inside. ” Oddly enough you almost never hear priests or monks lauding celibacy and making a song and dance about chastity. What you have instead is intensive social control by those who may have no sexual scruples themselves but who are determined on ensuring that priests and monks adhere to the repressive sex ethic that they themselves hate. They say, rightly enough, that masturbation is harmless, but they go all piocious and express holy horror at the thought of a priest or nun masturbating. The church will accommodate itself in due course to modern attitudes to sexuality, but the obsessives will make the adjustment as difficult as possible.

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@ 3:41pm

Are those in priesthood or religious life forced to publicly make a promise of celibacy or vow of chastity?

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Pat, there’s a movement among mainly young men called No Fap which advocates abstinence from masturbation and pornography. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion or Catholicism but it does have a “spiritual” rationale. Interesting. Look it up (Fap is one of the many slang words for jerking off).

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No fapping sounds like a kinky cult. Two other relatively new angles on masturbation are the claim that it protects against prostate cancer, and the use of enforced chastity (no fapping) in master-slave relations–chastity as a sexual practice in fact.

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A medical did tell me that sexual activity lessened the chances of prostrate cancer.

The old use it or lose it conundrum.

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As you once said, Pat, I’m sure there are times in the Boiler House when there are enough priests present to hold a Chrism Mass.

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Pat, is it true that Cahal Daly and some others, in an attempt to destroy your good name and character, tried to frame you as a purveyor of male prostitutes? It’s on a website called “Clerical Whispers” and it is claimed by an “Ulster priest”. Deeply shocking and disturbing if true!

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Daly and others tried various things including that one.

But he even did something worse that could have got me killed.

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“Are those in priesthood or religious life forced to publicly make a promise of celibacy or vow of chastity?” The promise of celibacy is administered under conditions that would allow a canon lawyer to query its freedom and its validity (just as marriages are annulled for lack of due discretion).

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Limerick clerical changes, including ACP moaner and parish dodger Fr. Éamonn Fitzgibbon to become a Vicar General of the diocese and Fr Paul Finnerty to be new rector of the Irish College, Rome, ie the Irish seminary with no seminarians, and a nun to be an Adm.
Fr. Tom Crawford retiring as Co-Parish Priest of Pastoral Unit 13 (Glin, Shanagolde/Robertstown/Foynes, Coolcappa/Kilcolman and Loughill/Ballyhahill). He will assist in Pastoral Unit 15 (Newcastle West, Monagea, Mahoonagh, Ardagh/ Carrickerry).
Fr. Oliver Plunkett retiring as Co-Parish Priest of Pastoral Unit 2 (St. Joseph’s, St. Saviour’s and Our Lady of Lourdes) and Administrator of St. Joseph’s. He will be assisting in Pastoral Unit 2 and Pastoral Unit 4 (St. Munchin’s/St. Lelia’s, Corpus Christi and Parteen/Meelick).
Fr. Dan Lane retiring as Co-Parish Priest of Pastoral Unit 10 (Ballingarry, Rathkeale, Knockaderry/Cloncagh). He will assist in the Pastoral Unit 14 (Abbeyfeale, Athea, Templeglantine, Tournafolla, Mountcollins).
Sr. Caitríona Kavanagh OP to be Administrator of St. Saviour’s and member of the team of Pastoral Unit 2 (St. Joseph’s, St. Saviour’s and Our Lady of Lourdes).
Fr. Thomas Carroll to be Co-Parish Priest of Pastoral Unit 10 (Ballingarry/ Granagh, Rathkeale, Knockaderry/ Cloncagh)
Fr. Liam Enright to become Co-Parish Priest of Pastoral Unit 2 (St. Joseph’s, St. Saviour’s and Our Lady of Lourdes) and Administrator of St. Joseph’s.
Fr. Robbie Coffey to be Co-Parish Priest of Pastoral Unit 14 (Abbeyfeale, Athea, Templeglantine, Tournafulla/ Mountcollins).
Fr. Eamon Purcell to be Co-Parish Priest of Pastoral Unit 4 (Parteen /Meelick, St. Munchin’s/St. Lelia’s
and Corpus Christi).
Fr. Shoji Varghese to assist in chaplaincy in UHL and Pastoral unit 6 (Patrickswell/Ballybrown, Mungret /Raheen/Crecora and St Paul’s).
On the nomination of the Irish Bishops Conference, Fr. Paul Finnerty has been appointed Rector of the Pontifical Irish College in Rome.

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“Many gay people have talked to me about their sauna trips and have used words like meat, drunken, chickens, old pervs etc.
“There’s a lot to be said for a wine and dine date with hours spent at the table in intimate chat and a night spent wrapped around someone with breakfast on bed. And, I do believe that you can have such experiences as a one off.”
One night stands, good. Gay saunas, bad. But it’s not unknown for ltrs to begin in saunas I wouldn’t say “there’s a lot to be said for them” and there’s certainly a lot to be said against them, but you could say that “there’s something to be said for them”.

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They are building bonfires, rehearsing the band, closing roads, and putting up the papal flags, tricolours and bunting in Mullagh for the arrival tomorrow of their new PP.

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thought-provoking my fanny. it’s just another American culture wars screed (the combox is full of well known nuts and trolls) using the allegedly immature Irish as a stalking horse. dripping with condescension.

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Pat!
Leave Fr. David McGovern alone. All of young men in his pictures on Facebook are just friendly otters/cubs/bears.
-Dorothy

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